Bengals will be the team to beat for years to come

[The Jokeman]

2 minutes ago, Caesar said:

Higgins is the biggest question mark, Boyd will not get a big contract.  Reader sing thru next season and Hill thru 2024.  Hubbard is never leaving Cincy, born in Cincy, went to OSU, guy will be the Mayor one day.

 

I dont expect it to happen 100%, I am glad we are trying.  Tee will be the most questionable, he has a very tough agent and he may want to be a #1 elsewhere.  Tee is extremely close with the other WRs and a bit of an introvert, he may stay for the "family aspect", but that is a long shot, better chance we pay him large or tag him.  Jamar has already said he is never leaving Joe, they are "bread & butter".  

We are in pretty good shape cap wise with a relatively young roster.

Boyd won't get a massive deal but might get a deal the Bengals can't match for a role player. As a team looking to improve their WR might give him a rich contract that enough to want to leave or feel more wanted is all I'm saying. 

Edited January 24, 2023 by The Jokeman

[Donuts and Doritos]

12 minutes ago, Caesar said:

 

 

 

 

 

Couple things. 

1.  Bengals will have enough money to sign who they want. Mike Brown is not pulling the strings anymore.  The Bengals have been very active in free agency the last couple of years.  The narrative that the Bengals won't/can't spend money is not as limiting as it once was, we will always have issues with the guaranteed escrow requirements.

2.  Bengals will attempt to extend Burrow and Tee immediately after this season.  Burrow's high salary will most likely not have a major impact until 2026.  The goal is to sign Burrow to a Mahomes-like longterm contract with rolling guarantees, perhaps a 10 yr, $500M deal which would make him the highest paid, but also limit the required escrow, and spread prorated payments every season.

3.  If Burrow agrees to the Mahomes-like deal, the Bengals would be able to keep the team together much easier.

4.  I expect the Bengals to lose Bates and most likely Pratt after this season.
 

 

Right, but after all that, they will be in a cap crunch too & not be able to aquire free agents as easily as they can now. They will be in the position the Bills are currently in. It always gets harder once you get passed rookie deals. It's interesting for them that Burrow & Higgins are the same draft, then Chase is not far afterwards. Makes it harder, buy not impossible to space out. So they'll be good for a while, but this stuff could get interesting. Regardless, Cincy will be an issue for the foreseeable future.

[NoSaint]

3 hours ago, Niagara Dude said:

No team in the ACF is in a better situation than the Bengals,  so many star elite players on rookie deals and they have hit on many of their picks .  The biggest thing is the Bengals have a projected 43million in cap space for next season.  The Bills are negative cap space and have many holes,  not a great situation after they beat us in Buffalo.

counter, burrow and chase will quickly eat that cap and their margin for error will shrink drastically. 
 

they are what the bills should’ve been 2-3 years ago when fans were just happy to be in the playoffs. 
 

we will be contenders for a decade but it’ll be tough to overcome the teams with a qb and wr or DE on rookie deals. It just amounts to like 4-5 extra good vet starters 

[BillzFreak]

8 minutes ago, Caesar said:

Higgins is the biggest question mark, Boyd will not get a big contract.  Reader signed thru next season and Hill thru 2024.  Hubbard is never leaving Cincy, born in Cincy, went to OSU, guy will be the Mayor one day.

 

I dont expect it to happen 100%, I am glad we are trying.  Tee will be the most questionable, he has a very tough agent and he may want to be a #1 elsewhere.  Tee is extremely close with the other WRs and a bit of an introvert, he may stay for the "family aspect", but that is a long shot, better chance we pay him large or tag him.  Jamar has already said he is never leaving Joe, they are "bread & butter".  

We are in pretty good shape cap wise with a relatively young roster.

Again you can say this guy won't leave and this guy says he isn't leaving but like I said no guarantees in the NFL. You may not think Boyd will get a huge contract but overpaying in free agency is a religion in this league. If a team likes him enough the money will flow especially for a receiver.

[Caesar]

6 minutes ago, The Jokeman said:

Boyd won't get a massive deal but might get a deal the Bengals can't match for a role player. As a team looking to improve their WR might give him a rich contract that enough to want to leave or feel more wanted is all I'm saying. 

Boyd will be 30 in the 2024 season, Bengals will not consider anything crazy.
 

4 minutes ago, Donuts and Doritos said:

 

Right, but after all that, they will be in a cap crunch too & not be able to aquire free agents as easily as they can now. They will be in the position the Bills are currently in. It always gets harder once you get passed rookie deals. It's interesting for them that Burrow & Higgins are the same draft, then Chase is not far afterwards. Makes it harder, buy not impossible to space out. So they'll be good for a while, but this stuff could get interesting. Regardless, Cincy will be an issue for the foreseeable future.

Burrow and Higgins being in the same class isn't really the same.  We will exercise Joe's 5th year option avoiding a huge cap hit for the next 3 years.  Chase's big hit won't likely make a huge impact until 2027.  It will be interesting.

[NoSaint]

8 minutes ago, The Jokeman said:

Boyd won't get a massive deal but might get a deal the Bengals can't match for a role player. As a team looking to improve their WR might give him a rich contract that enough to want to leave or feel more wanted is all I'm saying. 

heck, zay Jones got 3 years 24M

 

boyd is exactly the type they likely won’t be able to keep

[The Jokeman]

2 minutes ago, NoSaint said:

heck, zay Jones got 3 years 24M

 

boyd is exactly the type they likely won’t be able to keep

And plays a key role in their offense. 

[LEBills]

20 minutes ago, Caesar said:

 

 

 

 

 

Couple things. 

1.  Bengals will have enough money to sign who they want. Mike Brown is not pulling the strings anymore.  The Bengals have been very active in free agency the last couple of years.  The narrative that the Bengals won't/can't spend money is not as limiting as it once was, we will always have issues with the guaranteed escrow requirements.

2.  Bengals will attempt to extend Burrow and Tee immediately after this season.  Burrow's high salary will most likely not have a major impact until 2026.  The goal is to sign Burrow to a Mahomes-like longterm contract with rolling guarantees, perhaps a 10 yr, $500M deal which would make him the highest paid, but also limit the required escrow, and spread prorated payments every season.

3.  If Burrow agrees to the Mahomes-like deal, the Bengals would be able to keep the team together much easier.

4.  I expect the Bengals to lose Bates and most likely Pratt after this season.
 

I doubt Burrow takes a Mahomes deal. The Watson deal is the new standard and better for the player. Imo you are dreaming about that type of contract.

I would be hopeful that the Brown family is less stingy than Mike if I was a Bengals fan too. But the Bengals ownership is still the poorest of these very rich teams (aside from the Packers). There will be real cash limitations that other poorer teams deal with. Look at the list of teams at the bottom and aside from the Steelers it is perennial bad teams partly because the exploding cap makes this an Uber-rich mans game. The Bills were in this boat with Ralph too, it’s tough to out scout, out develop and out coach for long. Good luck.

[Caesar]

12 minutes ago, NoSaint said:

counter, burrow and chase will quickly eat that cap and their margin for error will shrink drastically. 
 

they are what the bills should’ve been 2-3 years ago when fans were just happy to be in the playoffs. 
 

we will be contenders for a decade but it’ll be tough to overcome the teams with a qb and wr or DE on rookie deals. It just amounts to like 4-5 extra good vet starters 

 

11 minutes ago, NoSaint said:

heck, zay Jones got 3 years 24M

 

boyd is exactly the type they likely won’t be able to keep

 

8 minutes ago, The Jokeman said:

And plays a key role in their offense. 

Burrow and Chase won't have an immediate cap impact like many believe.

You guys can over pay for a 30 year old Tyler Boyd.  I'm guessing we draft another deep threat opposite Tee with Chase playing the slot much more.

[The Jokeman]

3 minutes ago, Caesar said:

 

 

Burrow and Chase won't have an immediate cap impact like many believe.

You guys can over pay for a 30 year old Tyler Boyd.  I'm guessing we draft another deep threat opposite Tee with Chase playing the slot much more.

I can't see Tee sticking around when his contact ends, obviously Chase is the alpha dog there yet Tee and Boyd are the guys that make your passing game the scary thing it is IMHO. Chase reminds me of Diggs in many ways.

[Caesar]

10 minutes ago, LEBills said:

I doubt Burrow takes a Mahomes deal. The Watson deal is the new standard and better for the player. Imo you are dreaming about that type of contract.

I would be hopeful that the Brown family is less stingy than Mike if I was a Bengals fan too. But the Bengals ownership is still the poorest of these very rich teams (aside from the Packers). There will be real cash limitations that other poorer teams deal with. Look at the list of teams at the bottom and aside from the Steelers it is perennial bad teams partly because the exploding cap makes this an Uber-rich mans game. The Bills were in this boat with Ralph too, it’s tough to out scout, out develop and out coach for long. Good luck.

 

3 minutes ago, The Jokeman said:

I can't see Tee sticking around when his contact ends, obviously Chase is the alpha dog there yet Tee and Boyd are the guys that make your passing game the scary thing it is IMHO. Chase reminds me of Diggs in many ways.

I think you and many other teams "hope" Burrow does not take a Mahomes deal.

Joe is in a unique situation as he is now a part of the player acquisition process.  It is his team, he has said it, he knows Brady took less to win rings and
his competitiveness is off the charts, almost weird. He hasn't spent any of his $24M and his goal is not spend any NFL compensation.

Joe will need to be compensated very well, a 10-12yr $500M deal would make him the highest paid and with certain provisions will allow for others to be signed as well. We will see.

Jokeman - your comment regarding  Tee makes sense, except that Tee is not an alpha.  He is very quiet and best friends with Chase.  He prefers Chase being out front.  A 4 year $80M deal should be doable and keep him in Cincy.  I cant stress enough how much credit the WRs give Burrow for their success.  They understand the difference a QB could make.  Any team not named Bills or Chiefs would be a downgrade as to their next QB, if they were to leave.

[The Jokeman]

9 minutes ago, Caesar said:

 

I think you and many other teams "hope" Burrow does not take a Mahomes deal.

Joe is in a unique situation as he is now a part of the player acquisition process.  It is his team, he has said it, he knows Brady took less to win rings and
his competitiveness is off the charts, almost weird. He hasn't spent any of his $24M and his goal is not spend any NFL compensation.

Joe will need to be compensated very well, a 10-12yr $500M deal would make him the highest paid and with certain provisions will allow for others to be signed as well. We will see.

Jokeman - your comment regarding  Tee makes sense, except that Tee is not an alpha.  He is very quiet and best friends with Chase.  He prefers Chase being out front.  A 4 year $80M deal should be doable and keep him in Cincy.  I cant stress enough how much credit the WRs give Burrow for their success.  They understand the difference a QB could make.  Any team not named Bills or Chiefs would be a downgrade as to their next QB, if they were to leave.

If a team like Indy hires Callahan gets at HC, drafts a CJ Stroud and offers Higgins $110 million would he walk? It's nice to think the players will give a "home town" discount but more than not they look to cash in. 

Edited January 24, 2023 by The Jokeman

[Dr.Sack]

Bengals are going to find out real soon how much it costs to pay an elite QB. I’m praying they win the Super Bowl so his value is hyper inflated.

[The Jokeman]

3 minutes ago, Dr.Sack said:

Bengals are going to find out real soon how much it costs to pay an elite QB. I’m praying they win the Super Bowl so his value is hyper inflated.

I'm a sore loser, I don't want to see any AFC to win a Superbowl unless it's us. 

[Big Turk]

Sounds good but there is no way to know this and they will have salary cap issues soon enough of their own and perhaps worse than the Bills since Burrow will likely become the highest paid QB in the NFL which will be a lot higher than it is now.

 

Higgins and Boyd are UFAs after next year, Burrow will be up for his new deal after that.

Edited January 24, 2023 by Big Turk

[BBills_88]

No they won't

[Caesar]

9 minutes ago, The Jokeman said:

If a team like Indy hires Callahan gets at HC, drafts a CJ Stroud and offers Higgins $110 million would he walk? It's nice to think the players will give a "home town" discount but more than not they look to cash in. 

 

7 minutes ago, Dr.Sack said:

Bengals are going to find out real soon how much it costs to pay an elite QB. I’m praying they win the Super Bowl so his value is hyper inflated.

 

3 minutes ago, Big Turk said:

Sounds good but there is no way to know this and they will have salary cap issues soon enough of their own and perhaps worse than the Bills since Burrow will likely become the highest paid QB in the NFL which will be a lot higher than it is now.

 

1 minute ago, FrenchConnection said:

Did our mods go out to dinner or something?

Joker:
If Tee gets a much better deal than we offer I have no doubt he will leave, but that is the reason we are offering him this spring.  Other teams cannot make offers until after next season.  He has the same agent as Deshaun Watson so I am prepared for the worse.

Dr. Sack:
We paid Palmer $100M, we paid Dalton, every team knows the impact of a high priced QB.  Our hope is a long term deal with rolling guarantees, we wont know until the deal is done.

Turk:
We can make Burrow the highest paid player and still have a cap friendly structure.

Frenchie:
Why?  

[Plano]

4 hours ago, Big Blitz said:

Lol if Huntley holds on to the ball they don’t even win a playoff game this year.  

THIS is the answer!They're not world-beaters, however, they just happened to kick the crap out of us yesterday.

 

Ravens should have won that game.

 

 

[Process]

4 hours ago, Big Blitz said:

Lol if Huntley holds on to the ball they don’t even win a playoff game this year.  

Don't let that distract you from the fact that Joe Burrow is the next Tom Brady.

 

The Bengals are not the freakin team to beat, lol.

 

I can't wait to watch everyone in the media freak out all next summer when the Bills are heavily favored over the bengals to win the superbowl, and they can't comprehend why. 

Edited January 24, 2023 by Process

[Caesar]

4 hours ago, Big Blitz said:

Lol if Huntley holds on to the ball they don’t even win a playoff game this year.  

 

12 minutes ago, Plano said:

THIS is the answer!They're not world-beaters, however, they just happened to kick the crap out of us yesterday.

 

Ravens should have won that game.

 

 

 

Really?  This is the answer?  That fumble happened with 12 minutes left on the clock.  We played a very vanilla offense the entire game.  I expect better football knowledge out of this fanbase.

9 minutes ago, Process said:

Don't let that distract you from the fact that Joe Burrow is the next Tom Brady.

 

The Bengals are not the freakin team to beat, lol.

 

I can't wait to watch everyone in the media freak out all next summer when the Bills are heavily favored over the bengals to win the superbowl. 

 

This is a real possibility even if the Bengals return to the SB again this season.  But I would still rather be the disrespected team playing in the last game rather than the media's preseason favorite.

[BADOLBILZ]

1 hour ago, NoSaint said:

counter, burrow and chase will quickly eat that cap and their margin for error will shrink drastically. 
 

they are what the bills should’ve been 2-3 years ago when fans were just happy to be in the playoffs. 
 

we will be contenders for a decade but it’ll be tough to overcome the teams with a qb and wr or DE on rookie deals. It just amounts to like 4-5 extra good vet starters 

 

 

Yeah Cinci fans will want to deny it to opposing fans of other teams..........but most know........the Bengals ownership will go the equivalent of "cash to cap" with the payroll when those star salaries start reaching $30M-$50M aav and that will limit them a bit.    

 

We know that because the Wilson family and Brown family were two peas in a pod........and Ralph would have done the same thing if he were alive and still had his faculties.    

 

When they franchised Jessie Bates that also indicated it was still business as usual.    It's easy to eat up cap space taking big 1 year cap hits.

 

The new owners in the NFL can run cash laps around a lot of the legacy teams whose wealth is almost entirely dependent on their football team........it's just a reality.

 

That's not to say they will decline but their "actual" available resources will come back to the pack.........just like the Bills have, despite more accommodating ownership, because of a number of bad UFA decisions in years past.

 

And then you have to continue to draft and develop and hire good people.    KC we know for certain will do that.   Cinci might but their sample size is small.  

 

Buffalo?  Beane has his work cut out for him but nobody else to blame if he can't start squeezing more value from his cap room and draft picks.  

 

    

[Gunsgoodtime]

1 hour ago, Caesar said:

 

 

Burrow and Chase won't have an immediate cap impact like many believe.

You guys can over pay for a 30 year old Tyler Boyd.  I'm guessing we draft another deep threat opposite Tee with Chase playing the slot much more.

You guys draft WRs?  What an interesting Idea!  Someone should tell Beane about this shocking concept

[GETTOTHE50]

they will have coaches poached off too as well as contracts to pay. the AFC is still a 3 to 5 team race.

[Billl]

Bengals still have to prove that they can draft well when they don’t have top 5 picks every year.  

[Big Blitz]

12 minutes ago, Caesar said:

 

 

Really?  This is the answer?  That fumble happened with 12 minutes left on the clock.  We played a very vanilla offense the entire game.  I expect better football knowledge out of this fanbase.

 

 

 

That fumble happened with 3 minutes left in the game and the Ravens were not going to allow them to come down and tie - the way they were playing D.  

[Caesar]

7 minutes ago, Big Blitz said:

 

That fumble happened with 3 minutes left in the game and the Ravens were not going to allow them to come down and tie - the way they were playing D.  

 

Why lie?  Do you do this often?

23 minutes ago, BADOLBILZ said:

 

 

Yeah Cinci fans will want to deny it to opposing fans of other teams..........but most know........the Bengals ownership will go the equivalent of "cash to cap" with the payroll when those star salaries start reaching $30M-$50M aav and that will limit them a bit.    

 

We know that because the Wilson family and Brown family were two peas in a pod........and Ralph would have done the same thing if he were alive and still had his faculties.    

 

When they franchised Jessie Bates that also indicated it was still business as usual.    It's easy to eat up cap space taking big 1 year cap hits.

 

The new owners in the NFL can run cash laps around a lot of the legacy teams whose wealth is almost entirely dependent on their football team........it's just a reality.

 

That's not to say they will decline but their "actual" available resources will come back to the pack.........just like the Bills have, despite more accommodating ownership, because of a number of bad UFA decisions in years past.

 

And then you have to continue to draft and develop and hire good people.    KC we know for certain will do that.   Cinci might but their sample size is small.  

 

Buffalo?  Beane has his work cut out for him but nobody else to blame if he can't start squeezing more value from his cap room and draft picks.  

 

    

 

Actually... the Bengals have always paid QBs and WRs.  

Bates did not have a good season last year and wanted top 3 money, we knew Burrow and Tee would be due after this season. Drafting Dax Hill and tagging Bates was the right move, FS is not a priority position for us.

[Caesar]

19 minutes ago, Billl said:

Bengals still have to prove that they can draft well when they don’t have top 5 picks every year.  

Drafted Starters vs Bills:
WR Higgins - 2nd 
WR Boyd - 2nd
LT Carman - 2nd
LG Volson - 4th
RT Adeniji - 6th
RB Mixon - 2nd
DE Hubbard - 3rd
LB Pratt - 3rd
LB Wilson  - 3rd
CB CTB - 2nd
FS Bates - 2nd
K McPherson - 5th

Rotational Players vs Bills:
S Hill - 1st (#31)
DT Carter - 3rd
DE Sample 4th
DE Ossai - 3rd
LB ADG - 4th
LB Bailey - 7th
RB Williams - 6th



 

[AuntieEm]

3 hours ago, arcane said:

It's always in vogue to be the ascending team. That's why we yearn for 2020. 

 

Cinci's ownership makes them uniquely ill-suited to handle the second contracts of a lot of these players. 

 

There are going to be new threats, new risers, but through all of that the teams with Burrow, Allen and Mahomes will always be among the most likely to win it all. 

 

  Each year will be which of the three had the best protection and weapons.  As well as which of the teams they are on has fewer holes that season based on play and injuries.

 

[Big Blitz]

23 minutes ago, Caesar said:

 

Why lie?  Do you do this often?

 

Actually... the Bengals have always paid QBs and WRs.  

Bates did not have a good season last year and wanted top 3 money, we knew Burrow and Tee would be due after this season. Drafting Dax Hill and tagging Bates was the right move, FS is not a priority position for us.

 

My bad I thought it was later in the 4th.  

[zow2]

As is the case with most NFL matchups that are one sided, Cincinnati isn’t as great as they looked on Sunday and Buffalo isn’t as awful. I expect KC with a hobbled Mahomes to play them much closer but the Bengals are a tough out for sure. And they make so few mistakes, it’s annoying lol.

[Dr.Sack]

4 teams are left and I have to say I’d be shocked if Bengals lose to a gimpy Mahomes. 
 

No matter I’m worried that the Bengals OL will get dominated by either the Eagles or 49ers. This is shaping up to be a repeat of last Super Bowl, only this time the NFC team will be stronger and faster on both sides of the ball.
 

Sadly the Bengals will be heavy underdogs. Burrow ends up 0-2 in Super Bowl and his swagger starts to resemble Jim Kelly’s arrogance. Will America tolerate a 3rd Burrow trip to the Bowl in 2024?

[LABILLBACKER]

7 hours ago, H2o said:

The Bengals won't win it all. They will either lose this week to the Chiefs or in the SB to the Eagles/Niners. Watch. 

No one including us were beating the niners.

[Man with No Name]

8 hours ago, Big Blitz said:

Lol if Huntley holds on to the ball they don’t even win a playoff game this year.  

so i guess we need to ask ourselves why a mediocre team like baltimore can almost beat them while we get rolled by them. And it wasn't just a bad day. The MNF game started out exactly the same. 

 

We have matchup problems with them, players and/or scheme, and they aren't going anywhere. so we need to change in a big way. 

[John from Riverside]

Well, they’ve made a believer out of me. They are the team to beat as far as I am concerned.
 

Time to start shaping the bills into a team that can get pressure on Burrow and run the bowl and protect against three men rushes

[Caesar]

7 hours ago, Man with No Name said:

so i guess we need to ask ourselves why a mediocre team like baltimore can almost beat them while we get rolled by them. And it wasn't just a bad day. The MNF game started out exactly the same. 

 

We have matchup problems with them, players and/or scheme, and they aren't going anywhere. so we need to change in a big way. 

Ravens are a conference opponent that the Bengals played 3 times. The Bengals did not open the playbook in week 18 or the next week in the wildcard game vs the Ravens.  

That said, I have no idea how our oline was so successful and the Bills oline struggled, the trenches seemed to be the difference in the game.

[Gregg]

8 hours ago, LABILLBACKER said:

No one including us were beating the niners.

 

I think the Eagles beat them this weekend. My pick for the SB is Eagles vs Bengals. 

[Chicken Boo]

16 hours ago, Big Blitz said:

Lol if Huntley holds on to the ball they don’t even win a playoff game this year.  

 

If Waddle catches a ball or 2, the Bills get bounced by a Skylar Thompson led Dolphins team.  

15 hours ago, Drew21PA said:

Could’ve been us…

 

hare to say it but I’m thinking Miami takes over the reigns next season with the right FA moves at QB

 

 

 

Also possible.

Edited January 24, 2023 by Chicken Boo

[Dopey]

13 hours ago, benderbender said:

That’s insulting to all 31 other NFL teams. Just because we pissed down our legs in front of our long suffering fans, on our own home dirt, in front of a teammate who was barely 3 weeks stolen from his ride to the pearly gates, doesn’t mean any other NFL team would have actually had the gaul to give themselves permission to have done that. Hell, even Jacksonville gave the Chiefs a scare and they were outclassed from jump street. 

 

😂😂

[MJS]

I mean, they'll be good as long as Burrow is there, with some up and down years. Things change from year to year, though. They look really good this year, but just a few puzzle pieces changing each year could make things worse for them, just like it is for the Bills. The Chiefs aren't as good as they were a couple of years ago, but they have a chance each year too.

 

Having a top 5 QB gives you a shot each year.

[Gregg]

The Bengals will have to battle it out just to win the North. All 4 teams hate one another. If LJ resigns with the Ravens, then they can certainly beat the Bengals. They match up well with them. They almost beat them in CIN with a backup QB. Say what you want about Watson being a POS but if he regains his old form then he is a very good QB. Combine that with the Browns running game and their defense then they are another team that will give the Bengals a hard time. Battle of Ohio is usually a hard-fought game. While the Steelers are trying to build their team with Pickett, they still have a good defense. They can also give the Bengals a hard time. The games between these teams are not only physical but sometimes dirty. The rivalries in this division are more intense than the ones in the AFCE.