Returntoglory Posted January 23, 2023 Share Posted January 23, 2023 I saw a glaring lack of team leadership yesterday. Was Von on the sidelines? We were completely lost. Who are the "leaders" on this team and did they step up?? 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
buffalobillswin Posted January 23, 2023 Share Posted January 23, 2023 So you’re saying putting a fake trophy in the locker room didn’t work? 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KDIGGZ Posted January 23, 2023 Share Posted January 23, 2023 But Von put a fake Lombardi trophy in the locker room ?? And then he went back home and played video games 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PayDaBill$ Posted January 23, 2023 Share Posted January 23, 2023 (edited) Funny I was thinking the same thing, I’ve haven’t seen him on the sidelines. Big contract unfortunately little results for obvious reasons. We have big contract on an aging star that will hopefully recover. Edited January 23, 2023 by PayDaBill$ 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BringBackFergy Posted January 23, 2023 Share Posted January 23, 2023 Just now, PayDaBill$ said: Funny I was thinking the same thing, I’ve haven’t seen him on the sidelines. Did you blink? 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Livinginthepast Posted January 23, 2023 Share Posted January 23, 2023 1 minute ago, Returntoglory said: I saw a glaring lack of team leadership yesterday. Was Von on the sidelines? We were completely lost. Who are the "leaders" on this team and did they step up?? You are absolutely correct. Nobody stepped up and got pissed off with the lack of effort on defense or the hot garbage that the offense served up. Diggs frustration at the end of the game could have been used much earlier. Frazier is the last person on earth that would have done something but his Bears teammates in 85 would have never put up with being embarrassed like that. Somebody needed to step up and get in the faces of that defense and remind them of the moment they were in. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SoCal Deek Posted January 23, 2023 Share Posted January 23, 2023 Von Miller? He is not the leader on defense. Edmunds is supposed to be. He simply isn’t. Has anyone ever seen him get mad? Or huddle up his guys? Or take charge in ANY way? Nope! 2 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LeGOATski Posted January 23, 2023 Share Posted January 23, 2023 2 minutes ago, SoCal Deek said: Von Miller? He is not the leader on defense. Edmunds is supposed to be. He simply isn’t. Has anyone ever seen him get mad? Or huddle up his guys? Or take charge in ANY way? Nope! He literally did that last week. You should watch the mic'd up video if you haven't already. That hit on Ahmed was one of the best of the year. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Charles Romes Posted January 23, 2023 Share Posted January 23, 2023 (edited) I don’t disagree with taking the flyer on Von. Our pass rush created legitimate problems for the 8 games he played (first time this has happened under McDermott). The issue is why we had to take the flyer on the aging pass rusher. We drafted three defensive ends and pass rushing DT in the first and second rounds and all of them were easily handled by a makeshift offensive line. Edited January 23, 2023 by Charles Romes 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Johnnycage46 Posted January 23, 2023 Share Posted January 23, 2023 15 minutes ago, SoCal Deek said: Von Miller? He is not the leader on defense. Edmunds is supposed to be. He simply isn’t. Has anyone ever seen him get mad? Or huddle up his guys? Or take charge in ANY way? Nope! He's only 17 years old. Give him time! 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SoCal Deek Posted January 23, 2023 Share Posted January 23, 2023 13 minutes ago, LeGOATski said: He literally did that last week. You should watch the mic'd up video if you haven't already. That hit on Ahmed was one of the best of the year. That’s it? He did it last week? Maybe you disagree but 100% I’m ready to move on from this guy. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LeGOATski Posted January 23, 2023 Share Posted January 23, 2023 3 minutes ago, SoCal Deek said: That’s it? He did it last week? Maybe you disagree but 100% I’m ready to move on from this guy. Yes, that's it. You claimed something that isn't true so I pointed it out to you. It's not a philosophical disagreement. It's just a point of fact. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SoCal Deek Posted January 23, 2023 Share Posted January 23, 2023 2 minutes ago, LeGOATski said: Yes, that's it. You claimed something that isn't true so I pointed it out to you. It's not a philosophical disagreement. It's just a point of fact. You’re clearly right. Edmunds one heck of a leader. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
papazoid Posted January 23, 2023 Share Posted January 23, 2023 you can lead a horse to water...... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mynamemike Posted January 23, 2023 Share Posted January 23, 2023 36 minutes ago, Returntoglory said: I saw a glaring lack of team leadership yesterday. Was Von on the sidelines? We were completely lost. Who are the "leaders" on this team and did they step up?? Haven’t had one on the defensive side of the ball besides Poyer maybe for five years. This team folds when another team stands up and punches us in the mouth. It’s a reflection of McDermott and Frazier Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SoCal Deek Posted January 23, 2023 Share Posted January 23, 2023 2 minutes ago, Mynamemike said: Haven’t had one on the defensive side of the ball besides Poyer maybe for five years. This team folds when another team stands up and punches us in the mouth. It’s a reflection of McDermott and Frazier It’s utterly obvious but people don’t want to face it. We have entire threads about Diggs showing emotional frustration on the sideline yesterday. Is ANYONE talking about ANYBODY on the defensive side of the ball trying to rally the troops during that same game? Nope! Frazier is standing there with his typical blank stare and nobody on the starting eleven looks to be taking charge…at all! 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Big Turk Posted January 23, 2023 Share Posted January 23, 2023 42 minutes ago, Returntoglory said: I saw a glaring lack of team leadership yesterday. Was Von on the sidelines? We were completely lost. Who are the "leaders" on this team and did they step up?? No, you just saw a team that was mentally and emotionally drained from having to climb countless mountains during the year and it finally exerted a physical toll on them. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
prissythecat Posted January 23, 2023 Share Posted January 23, 2023 31 minutes ago, Big Turk said: No, you just saw a team that was mentally and emotionally drained from having to climb countless mountains during the year and it finally exerted a physical toll on them. Countless mountains huh. I counted one. The rest would be the kind of stuff other teams face as well 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PauleeeWalnuts Posted January 23, 2023 Share Posted January 23, 2023 34 minutes ago, Big Turk said: No, you just saw a team that was mentally and emotionally drained from having to climb countless mountains during the year and it finally exerted a physical toll on them. Please, emotionally drained? The should have been riding high not hanging their heads Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Big Turk Posted January 23, 2023 Share Posted January 23, 2023 Just now, PaulieYayo said: Please, emotionally drained? The should have been riding high not hanging their heads Yes, if they were robots maybe. Unfortunately with human beings that is often not how it works. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bruffalo Posted January 23, 2023 Share Posted January 23, 2023 As good as Von was on the field it felt like from his podcast/interviews that he was still second guessing his decision to go to Buffalo. I'm not sure that's as invested in this team as we'd like to think he is. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Big Turk Posted January 23, 2023 Share Posted January 23, 2023 3 minutes ago, prissythecat said: Countless mountains huh. I counted one. The rest would be the kind of stuff other teams face as well Oh...I think you should probably count better then. No team dealt with anything close to what we had to deal with starting with the offseason. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rigotz Posted January 23, 2023 Share Posted January 23, 2023 Here come the pitch forks for any player who was injured or had a bad game. Many stages of grief. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
prissythecat Posted January 23, 2023 Share Posted January 23, 2023 2 minutes ago, Big Turk said: Oh...I think you should probably count better then. No team dealt with anything close to what we had to deal with starting with the offseason. Please enlighten us on this stuff then Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Big Turk Posted January 23, 2023 Share Posted January 23, 2023 1 minute ago, prissythecat said: Please enlighten us on this stuff then If I have to tell you, you obviously don't live here. If you do, you are too clueless to bother with. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shanahan's Horseshoe Posted January 23, 2023 Share Posted January 23, 2023 This is one of those threads where fans look to blame every single player/coach for this failure. Von changed the dynamic of this defense and single handedly won the KC game. The D hasn’t been the same since he went down. He did his job 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
prissythecat Posted January 23, 2023 Share Posted January 23, 2023 Just now, Big Turk said: If I have to tell you, you obviously don't live here. If you do, you are too clueless to bother with. The kind of statement someone without a valid point makes Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Solomon Grundy Posted January 23, 2023 Share Posted January 23, 2023 1 hour ago, Returntoglory said: I saw a glaring lack of team leadership yesterday. Was Von on the sidelines? We were completely lost. Who are the "leaders" on this team and did they step up?? Josh Allen is a leader Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
boater Posted January 23, 2023 Share Posted January 23, 2023 The thread pattern, here and countless other places. Fan A: stands up for a player, or coach, or team Fan B: places blame and vitriol Sniping ensues. Love this place after a loss. Any loss. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
YodaMan79 Posted January 23, 2023 Share Posted January 23, 2023 Someone on the field has to step up and be the leader. A player who's hurt and on the sidelines can't be the person to rally the team. I'm tired of hearing how "emotionally drained" these guys were, from some of you. Everyone has issues in their life, if you stop and reflect we all can say we're emotionally drained. But no one is going to give us the benefit of the doubt on a daily basis. We have to get up and do what we have to, just like they do. Stop making excuses for poor play since October. They haven't passed the "eye test" in months, way before what happened 3 weeks ago. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BillsFan130 Posted January 23, 2023 Share Posted January 23, 2023 1 hour ago, SoCal Deek said: That’s it? He did it last week? Maybe you disagree but 100% I’m ready to move on from this guy. Ya There’s 0 point paying Edmunds 17-19 mil per season. Their defence is soft with or without him, might as well use that money and invest it in the O line and WRs Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
uticaclub Posted January 23, 2023 Share Posted January 23, 2023 1 hour ago, Returntoglory said: I saw a glaring lack of team leadership yesterday. Was Von on the sidelines? We were completely lost. Who are the "leaders" on this team and did they step up?? They usually don't have guys rehabbing leg surgeries on the sideline Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Big Turk Posted January 23, 2023 Share Posted January 23, 2023 (edited) 12 minutes ago, prissythecat said: The kind of statement someone without a valid point makes Oh it's certainly valid. Well...let's see. Tops Shooting in the summer Massive injuries to the secondary seemingly the entire 1st half of the year(Hyde out/Poyer hurt/PS corner starting most of the Miami game) Heat Exhaustion game in Miami Snowvember game moved to Detroit followed by a short week again for Thanksgiving back in Detroit Loss of Von(who was talked about as the "final piece on D") 3 games in 12 days Second massive snowstorm/blizzard that killed 40+ people and having to leave early and come back to a crazy scene after missing Christmas with their family Damar Hamlin situation and the emotional energy that it took to come play the next week It's been a really tough 6 months for WNY. Maybe the toughest I have ever experienced here in totality. There are times *I* felt drained this year from going thru all of this. With a team that connects and feels as part of the community more than any other perhaps in all of sports would it be any wonder they felt that heaviness and the emotional and mental toll it took? Trying to win and play for all of WNY? Let alone them having to go thru all of the stuff with the football aspects and trying to keep it together(which they did a better job than I think any could reasonably have expected). They are humans...eventually you simply run out of gas when you don't get a chance to refuel. Edited January 23, 2023 by Big Turk 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mango Posted January 23, 2023 Share Posted January 23, 2023 Von Miller is fine. My issue isn't with him. My issue is with the FO and the idea of him We have drafted 6 players in the top 100 who were supposed to disrupt the QB. Next year we will have 5 of those draft picks still on the roster plus $20M on Von only to result in a mediocre pass rush. Miller was never going to live up to the height or carry the weight of piling bad roster decisions. Making the same mistake at the same position group 2x per draft for 3-4 years plus another $20M AAV can absolutely burry a franchise....and here we are.... 2 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr. WEO Posted January 23, 2023 Share Posted January 23, 2023 Von Miller running his mouth on the sidelines in joggers, gold ropes and a fur coat wasn't going to change the outcome yesterday 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
QCity Posted January 23, 2023 Share Posted January 23, 2023 11 minutes ago, Big Turk said: Oh it's certainly valid. Well...let's see. Tops Shooting in the summer Massive injuries to the secondary seemingly the entire 1st half of the year(Hyde out/Poyer hurt/PS corner starting most of the Miami game) Heat Exhaustion game in Miami Snowvember game moved to Detroit followed by a short week again for Thanksgiving back in Detroit Loss of Von(who was talked about as the "final piece on D") 3 games in 12 days Second massive snowstorm/blizzard that killed 40+ people and having to leave early and come back to a crazy scene after missing Christmas with their family Damar Hamlin situation and the emotional energy that it took to come play the next week It's been a really tough 6 months for WNY. Maybe the toughest I have ever experienced here in totality. There are times *I* felt drained this year from going thru all of this. With a team that connects and feels as part of the community more than any other perhaps in all of sports would it be any wonder they felt that heaviness and the emotional and mental toll it took? Trying to win and play for all of WNY? Let alone them having to go thru all of the stuff with the football aspects and trying to keep it together(which they did a better job than I think any could reasonably have expected). They are humans...eventually you simply run out of gas when you don't get a chance to refuel. What a bunch of nonsense. You can't be serious. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
prissythecat Posted January 23, 2023 Share Posted January 23, 2023 7 minutes ago, Big Turk said: Oh it's certainly valid. Well...let's see. Tops Shooting in the summer Massive injuries to the secondary seemingly the entire 1st half of the year(Hyde out/Poyer hurt/PS corner starting most of the Miami game) Heat Exhaustion game in Miami Snowvember game moved to Detroit followed by a short week again for Thanksgiving back in Detroit Loss of Von(who was talked about as the "final piece on D") 3 games in 12 days Second massive snowstorm/blizzard that killed 40+ people and having to leave early and come back to a crazy scene after missing Christmas with their family Damar Hamlin situation and the emotional energy that it took to come play the next week It's been a really tough 6 months for WNY. Maybe the toughest I have ever experienced here in totality. There are times *I* felt drained this year from going thru all of this. With a team that connects and feels as part of the community more than any other perhaps in all of sports would it be any wonder they felt that heaviness and the emotional and mental toll it took? Trying to win and play for all of WNY? Let alone them having to go thru all of the stuff with the football aspects and trying to keep it together(which they did a better job than I think any could reasonably have expected). They are humans...eventually you simply run out of gas when you don't get a chance to refuel. The Tops shooting had no more effect on the Bills than the average person in Buffalo, maybe even less so given the privilege afforded by high salaries in football. If the Miami game in the heat was still weighing on them in December , I don’t know what to say . The Bills were not in Buffalo for the brunt of the snowstorm and got bused back in on Christmas Day after flying to Rochester despite a driving ban and after asking inappropriately for a police escort: I guess my point is starting to get through now? 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PayDaBill$ Posted January 23, 2023 Share Posted January 23, 2023 1 hour ago, SoCal Deek said: It’s utterly obvious but people don’t want to face it. We have entire threads about Diggs showing emotional frustration on the sideline yesterday. Is ANYONE talking about ANYBODY on the defensive side of the ball trying to rally the troops during that same game? Nope! Frazier is standing there with his typical blank stare and nobody on the starting eleven looks to be taking charge…at all! That was Frazier I though we had a totem pole. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Returntoglory Posted January 23, 2023 Author Share Posted January 23, 2023 31 minutes ago, uticaclub said: They usually don't have guys rehabbing leg surgeries on the sideline Rehabbing? How about showing support for your team? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
uticaclub Posted January 23, 2023 Share Posted January 23, 2023 Just now, Returntoglory said: Rehabbing? How about showing support for your team? A guy could roll up on him from play on the field and he won't be able to move to get out of the way and get re injured. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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