streetkings01 Posted January 23, 2023 Share Posted January 23, 2023 13 minutes ago, Roundybout said: Peyton was a loser who couldn't win anything with years of stacked New Orleans teams and was responsible for Bountygate. Yea I don’t get the Sean Payton love……outside of 1 season his teams always underachieved in the playoffs. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Buffalo03 Posted January 23, 2023 Share Posted January 23, 2023 1 minute ago, Governor said: But he switched coordinators a dozens times to save his job. Yes, we do need to dump Dorsey and Frazier. But my point is, Andy Reid took over 20 years to get win one Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LABILLBACKER Posted January 23, 2023 Share Posted January 23, 2023 Just now, Buffalo03 said: I didn't say Josh would be our QB all 20 years 😂 Well newsflash, he's going to have to be if you want to wait around for McD to create a SB defense. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RiotAct Posted January 23, 2023 Share Posted January 23, 2023 20 minutes ago, Ethan in Cleveland said: We are stuck and there is no way out. Pegula is not going to get rid of Beane and McDermott. McDermott has done too much for the franchise and the city to be canned. So we will waste another year on Dungy 2.0 only to come up short again. We are now on three years wasted of the best QB play this team has ever had. And nothing to show for it. Next year will be four and the cap situation will only keep getting worse. This team needed a teacher and a father figure. Now they need a mercenary assassin. Give Josh Sean Payton or Jim Harbaugh and Bills win the SuperBowl next year. Its not going to happen so we had just be prepared for another year of this crap. When McDermott says we will learn and grow from this I hope some reporter has the balls to say when do you stop learning and winning instead? Terry Pegula is a BALLER, and I trust him to make the right decisions!!!!!! 😂😂😂 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ethan in Cleveland Posted January 23, 2023 Author Share Posted January 23, 2023 1 minute ago, streetkings01 said: Yea I don’t get the Sean Payton love……outside of 1 season his teams always underachieved in the playoffs. His offense put a short mediocre armed QB into the HOF and won a SuperBowl. McD can't even get out of the division round. He's available. It won't happen but it would be an upgrade. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
popcornpam Posted January 23, 2023 Share Posted January 23, 2023 What’s scary is our head coach would rather lose the game, then mix it up with another defensive scheme. Seems to be his way or the highway. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Buffalo03 Posted January 23, 2023 Share Posted January 23, 2023 Just now, LABILLBACKER said: Well newsflash, he's going to have to be if you want to wait around for McD to create a SB defense. How has KC's defense been under Reid since he has been there? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheFunPolice Posted January 23, 2023 Share Posted January 23, 2023 Gotta waste a couple more years first, and even then if it's in the playoffs he isn't going anywhere. Remember 17 years? That'll always be the answer. We got lucky to hit on Allen. That's about it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
streetkings01 Posted January 23, 2023 Share Posted January 23, 2023 (edited) 4 minutes ago, Ethan in Cleveland said: His offense put a short mediocre armed QB into the HOF and won a SuperBowl. McD can't even get out of the division round. He's available. It won't happen but it would be an upgrade. Brees was damn good with the Charges his last 2 seasons…….more credit goes to Brees than Payton. He’s made the NFCC game 3 times in 15 years……he looks like McDermott minus the 1 Super Bowl. Edited January 23, 2023 by streetkings01 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Billz4ever Posted January 23, 2023 Share Posted January 23, 2023 17 minutes ago, Ethan in Cleveland said: We are stuck and there is no way out. Pegula is not going to get rid of Beane and McDermott. McDermott has done too much for the franchise and the city to be canned. So we will waste another year on Dungy 2.0 only to come up short again. We are now on three years wasted of the best QB play this team has ever had. And nothing to show for it. Next year will be four and the cap situation will only keep getting worse. This team needed a teacher and a father figure. Now they need a mercenary assassin. Give Josh Sean Payton or Jim Harbaugh and Bills win the SuperBowl next year. Its not going to happen so we had just be prepared for another year of this crap. When McDermott says we will learn and grow from this I hope some reporter has the balls to say when do you stop learning and winning instead? Agreed, I can't see anything happening with McD as long as there's butts in seats and this team gets in the playoffs, even if it's an early exit. It will be status quo as we waste Josh's Allen's best years. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Toyo321 Posted January 23, 2023 Share Posted January 23, 2023 Our entire front office and coaching staff is an discarded extension of the Carolina Panthers. Beane and McD are all hand me downs from the Panthers organization. These guys are just wanna bee's that had experience with the Panthers organization, the Panthers got to a couple super bowl's but fell short.. But as we all can see, we are good but no where good enough to get to a SB as this team sits right now. Sad but true. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
boyst Posted January 23, 2023 Share Posted January 23, 2023 5 minutes ago, Ethan in Cleveland said: I've been banned before for being contrary and to the herd mentality. I can take it. That's nothing. I was banned for using a word not covered by the word filter. Of course, I spent like 10 minutes in the shout box testing every single word when a new filter was implemented... But I maintain it wasn't my fault because it should have been made a banned word! 😂 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Royale with Cheese Posted January 23, 2023 Share Posted January 23, 2023 20 minutes ago, Nextmanup said: Ironically, we get our butts kicked by Cincinnati, who had to fire a VERY successful head coach to get where they are now. Do we have another: Yep. Both Marvin Lewis and Sean McDermott never won a playoff game. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BillnutinHouston Posted January 23, 2023 Share Posted January 23, 2023 18 minutes ago, Big Turk said: Tomlin won 2 Superbowls Only one as a HC. And his last SB was 13 years ago. 13. Which gets to my point about Pegula's likely patience with McD. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheFunPolice Posted January 23, 2023 Share Posted January 23, 2023 If you're totally honest... Would Jauron do less with Allen? We all loved him for 5 minutes, remember? He got a big extension based on going 7-9 every year with zero QB. How about Rex with Allen? Even Chan, who I couldn't stand. Chan with Allen? Look what he got out of Fitz. McDermott is a .500 type HC who has an elite talent at QB 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Roundybout Posted January 23, 2023 Share Posted January 23, 2023 5 minutes ago, Ethan in Cleveland said: His offense put a short mediocre armed QB into the HOF and won a SuperBowl. McD can't even get out of the division round. He's available. It won't happen but it would be an upgrade. Brees had an excellent arm and was brilliant at analyzing the game, don't make it look like the '00 Ravens winning it all with Trent Dilfer. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Victory Formation Posted January 23, 2023 Share Posted January 23, 2023 25 minutes ago, iccrewman112 said: I give McDermott the option to have 2 new coordinators to start the season or then we part ways. Yes. This is exactly where I’m at. McD has earned the right to this. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Royale with Cheese Posted January 23, 2023 Share Posted January 23, 2023 4 minutes ago, Ethan in Cleveland said: His offense put a short mediocre armed QB into the HOF and won a SuperBowl. McD can't even get out of the division round. He's available. It won't happen but it would be an upgrade. Are you really saying Brees would not have been a good QB without Payton? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
oldmanfan Posted January 23, 2023 Share Posted January 23, 2023 12 minutes ago, Ethan in Cleveland said: He almost won two SuperBowls with Colin Kapernick. He was one holding call away from winning the trophy. He's done far more than McD has ever done. Close counts in horseshoes, hand grenades, and back seats. Payton had a first ballot HOFer and won 1 SuperBowl. So please just stop. McD has decisions to make this offseason as does Beane. They need to make unemotional decisions whether Frazier or Dorsey come back. They need to overhaul the lines. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DJB Posted January 23, 2023 Share Posted January 23, 2023 Should have promoted Daboll and canned McDermott like many of us wanted. can’t win with McDermott 6 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CoudyBills Posted January 23, 2023 Share Posted January 23, 2023 25 minutes ago, Billsfanatic8989 said: 1. Beat Cards then lost to Packers 2. Seahawks and Cardinals Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Blazman11 Posted January 23, 2023 Share Posted January 23, 2023 9 minutes ago, Buffalo03 said: I didn't say Josh would be our QB all 20 years 😂 ‘so we will just draft another franchise QB in the first round 10 years from now and win it all? The year Allen was drafted, 4 other first round QBs went. 3 of them are already on multiple teams. mcDermott is not learning from his mistakes in big games. Defensive timeouts in back to back playoff weeks should be fireable offenses. So should playing your CB 10 yards off on 3rd and 4. It’s similar to guarding the sidelines in 13 seconds when KC had 2 timeouts. your argument flat out fails. Allen is nearly on the same level as Mahomes. On paper the Bills have the best D of all the AFC teams in playoffs. Yet they got boat raced. Again. McDermott has the same level of tools (minus Kelce) to work with as Reid does. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Roundybout Posted January 23, 2023 Share Posted January 23, 2023 2 minutes ago, DJB said: Should have promoted Daboll and canned McDermott like many of us wanted. can’t win with McDermott Like two people wanted this. 3 1 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thenorthremembers Posted January 23, 2023 Share Posted January 23, 2023 22 minutes ago, Bangarang said: Lots of bad takes right now My favorites so far are he is in danger of being the next Marvin Lewis, the guy who never won a playoff game. Or stuck with Tony Dungy 2.0- The HOF, Super Bowl Winning Coach or just like Mike Tomlin the Super Bowl Winning Coach... My lord. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GreggTX Posted January 23, 2023 Share Posted January 23, 2023 The problem is primarily the trenches, not the coaching or the GM. Allen needs more help and our OL/DL just aren't good enough. Let Poyer and Edmunds walk. Trade Oliver. Get after the best OL FA's on the market. We have numerous holes to fill. Oliver should be traded for draft capital. The Bengals OL was so banged up and he didn't even get 1 tackle. I'm more disappointed in him than I am with Brown and Saffold. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nextmanup Posted January 23, 2023 Share Posted January 23, 2023 9 minutes ago, TheFunPolice said: Gotta waste a couple more years first, and even then if it's in the playoffs he isn't going anywhere. Remember 17 years? That'll always be the answer. We got lucky to hit on Allen. That's about it. I said this last year after the 13 seconds game, and even the year before that! The day WILL COME when Pegula will have to ask if McD is good enough. It wasn't going to come 2 years ago, not last year, and it won't come THIS year either....but it will come. I.E., if the SB doesn't materialize, Pegula will have to decide if what McD brings to the franchise is good enough, or if he wants to win it all. Winning franchises sometimes fire head coaches (in all sports) after WINNING SEASONS, if goals aren't met. I don't think making it to the playoffs consistently will be enough, indefinitely. Of course (as I have said for years now) if McD DOES put it together and wins a SB before he is fired, he'll here forever. And I mean for his entire career. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Buffalo03 Posted January 23, 2023 Share Posted January 23, 2023 1 minute ago, Blazman11 said: ‘so we will just draft another franchise QB in the first round 10 years from now and win it all? The year Allen was drafted, 4 other first round QBs went. 3 of them are already on multiple teams. mcDermott is not learning from his mistakes in big games. Defensive timeouts in back to back playoff weeks should be fireable offenses. So should playing your CB 10 yards off on 3rd and 4. It’s similar to guarding the sidelines in 13 seconds when KC had 2 timeouts. your argument flat out fails. Allen is nearly on the same level as Mahomes. On paper the Bills have the best D of all the AFC teams in playoffs. Yet they got boat raced. Again. McDermott has the same level of tools (minus Kelce) to work with as Reid does. My argument does not fail in any way shape or form. The bottom line is its been 6 years with McDermott. It took a first ballot HOF coach over 20 years to win his first Super Bowl with multiple successful years prior. My argument is very much alive and kicking Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nextmanup Posted January 23, 2023 Share Posted January 23, 2023 6 minutes ago, oldmanfan said: Close counts in horseshoes, hand grenades, and back seats. Payton had a first ballot HOFer and won 1 SuperBowl. So please just stop. McD has decisions to make this offseason as does Beane. They need to make unemotional decisions whether Frazier or Dorsey come back. They need to overhaul the lines. They certainly shouldn't need to overhaul the D line. They have put an awful lot of draft capital into that thing! And it's terrible.... Lots of draft misses all over the roster. It's the one knock on Beane I can think of. Oh, the Knox deal was a mistake too. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ChronicAndKnuckles Posted January 23, 2023 Share Posted January 23, 2023 (edited) 37 minutes ago, Ethan in Cleveland said: We are stuck and there is no way out. Pegula is not going to get rid of Beane and McDermott. McDermott has done too much for the franchise and the city to be canned. So we will waste another year on Dungy 2.0 only to come up short again. We are now on three years wasted of the best QB play this team has ever had. And nothing to show for it. Next year will be four and the cap situation will only keep getting worse. This team needed a teacher and a father figure. Now they need a mercenary assassin. Give Josh Sean Payton or Jim Harbaugh and Bills win the SuperBowl next year. Its not going to happen so we had just be prepared for another year of this crap. When McDermott says we will learn and grow from this I hope some reporter has the balls to say when do you stop learning and winning instead? I’m inclined to agree with you, but winning a SB is extremely hard even if everything is going completely right. There is always a lot of luck involved. Dan Marino had one of the winningest coaches of all time and still never retired with one. I don’t think the book is closed on McDermott, but that guy had to deal w/ more adversity that I can remember. I do think it’s absolutely inexcusable to come out looking that way against Cinci. It was a perfect storm of poor coaching, player execution, and officiating. Edited January 23, 2023 by ChronicAndKnuckles 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Blazman11 Posted January 23, 2023 Share Posted January 23, 2023 2 minutes ago, Buffalo03 said: My argument does not fail in any way shape or form. The bottom line is its been 6 years with McDermott. It took a first ballot HOF coach over 20 years to win his first Super Bowl with multiple successful years prior. My argument is very much alive and kicking Got it. So what you are saying is you are perfectly happy waiting until 2037 for a chance to win the Super Bowl. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
oldmanfan Posted January 23, 2023 Share Posted January 23, 2023 1 minute ago, Nextmanup said: They certainly shouldn't need to overhaul the D line. They have put an awful lot of draft capital into that thing! And it's terrible.... Lots of draft misses all over the roster. It's the one knock on Beane I can think of. Oh, the Knox deal was a mistake too. Knox to me was not but unlike other teams we don’t scheme for him. I question if the D linemen are scheme vs. talent but today they simply did not match up physically. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Buffalo03 Posted January 23, 2023 Share Posted January 23, 2023 (edited) 1 minute ago, Blazman11 said: Got it. So what you are saying is you are perfectly happy waiting until 2037 for a chance to win the Super Bowl. If you were a Chiefs fan, would you have fired Reid after his 6th season? Because he won the Super Bowl in his 7th and went to another in his 8th Edited January 23, 2023 by Buffalo03 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
popcornpam Posted January 23, 2023 Share Posted January 23, 2023 1 minute ago, Buffalo03 said: If you were a Chiefs fan, would you have fired Reid after his 6th season? Because he won the Super Bowl in his 7th He did fire his defensive coordinator! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Johnnycage46 Posted January 23, 2023 Share Posted January 23, 2023 37 minutes ago, Big Turk said: Tomlin won 2 Superbowls He won one and lost another. Cowher coached the 2005 SB win. Still he did win a SB...but just not 2. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Billz4ever Posted January 23, 2023 Share Posted January 23, 2023 14 minutes ago, Victory Formation said: Yes. This is exactly where I’m at. McD has earned the right to this. It's a very highly unlikely scenario and ultimatum in the first place, so I don' t see that happening. If it were to somehow ever happen, I don't see McD as the type of guy willing to throw them under the bus to save his skin. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Johnnycage46 Posted January 23, 2023 Share Posted January 23, 2023 I know this hasn't been talked about in a long time...but it still sucks that we traded with KC and they got Mahomes and we got White (who will likely never be exactly the same after his knee injury). Cosmic joke that one. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Blazman11 Posted January 23, 2023 Share Posted January 23, 2023 Just now, Buffalo03 said: If you were a Chiefs fan, would you have fired Reid after his 6th season? Because he won the Super Bowl in his 7th Yes I would. With Hall and Kelce. Absolutely. But you keep changing your argument. Reid’s 6th season was 14 years ago. Your argument is it takes a coach 20 years on the job to win it all. ‘McDermott has done some awesome things. He was absolutely the right coach at the time he was hired. These guys supposedly put in 80 hour weeks during the season. McDermott has been in football for a very long time. The time for him to learn should’ve ended after the AFC Championship loss. And while he’s improved in many areas he still comes up woefully short in game planning and execution during the playoffs. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Victory Formation Posted January 23, 2023 Share Posted January 23, 2023 Just now, Billz4ever said: It's a very highly unlikely scenario and ultimatum in the first place, so I don' t see that happening. If it were to somehow ever happen, I don't see McD as the type of guy willing to throw them under the bus to save his skin. Off with his head then. I see the merit in your logic. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Buffalo03 Posted January 23, 2023 Share Posted January 23, 2023 Just now, popcornpam said: He did fire his defensive coordinator! Yes, and who's to say McDermott won't do the same? Not saying he will but McDermott can very easily make some changes Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baba Booey Posted January 23, 2023 Share Posted January 23, 2023 12 minutes ago, CoudyBills said: 2. Seahawks and Cardinals Dude, Seahawks was the chin coaching Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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