Which would be the better offseason

[Sharky7337]

Curious to see your thoughts here, this is totally a hypothetical question but I believe you would get more impact on the offensive side of the ball assuming you could get middle of the road guys to replace.

 

You have to figure devante adams is good for almost a touchdown a game.

 

For context the chiefs made the number one seed with some of the worst defensive ratings in the nfl this season.

Edited January 13, 2023 by Sharky7337
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[Warriorspikes51]

Davante Adams signed a 5 year, $140,000,000 contract with the Las Vegas Raiders, including a $19,250,000 signing bonus, $65,670,000 guaranteed, and an average annual salary of $28,000,000.

How do you plan to sign Adams exactly?

[Heavy Kevi]

Edmunds and Oliver are very good players.

 

Adams is a bonafide superstar elite weapon right smack dab in our biggest position of need.

 

This is a no brainer. We would fill those defensive positions, and there would likely be a dropoff... But this team needs another weapon on offense. Someone besides josh and Stef to carry this team.

 

Davante could be that guy (in this made up binary scenario)

[Draconator]

8 minutes ago, Warriorspikes51 said:

Davante Adams signed a 5 year, $140,000,000 contract with the Las Vegas Raiders, including a $19,250,000 signing bonus, $65,670,000 guaranteed, and an average annual salary of $28,000,000.

How do you plan to sign Adams exactly?

 

Have Terry drill another well. Done deal. 

[machine gun kelly]

We’ll probably take a swing at a WR in the 1st round of the draft.  Then start building with Guards and probably a Safety.  I wouldn’t mind finding a TE if at all possible.  We have our RB room as Cook is coming along really nice.  Diggs is phenomenal, and we have other good tools including a gadget guy in McKenzie, solid #1 TE in Knox.

[SCBills]

In this binary choice, I’d go Adams .. but I’d rather get Allen a younger WR2 and not give up what it would take to trade for Adams. 
 

This goes for any top end WR under contract anywhere. 
 

Would take at least a 1 for Adams, and we’d likely get out-bid with where we’re drafting.  Even if we traded Oliver for a 2nd, Bills don’t exactly have the ability to just be trading away multiple picks right now with Allen’s contract hitting. 

 

 

Edited January 13, 2023 by SCBills

[Mark80]

Why a hypothetical question that is impossible to happen?  The Raiders cannot possibly part ways with Adams.  The cap penalty is too high.  Might as well ask if we'd rather have Jerry Rice.

[LeGOATski]

Definitely keeping the young core of the defense.

 

They should draft a WR, not pay big bucks for one.

[machine gun kelly]

18 minutes ago, SCBills said:

In this binary choice, I’d go Adams .. but I’d rather get Allen a younger WR2 and not give up what it would take to trade for Adams. 
 

This goes for any top end WR under contract anywhere. 
 

Would take at least a 1 for Adams, and we’d likely get out-bid with where we’re drafting.  Even if we traded Oliver for a 2nd, Bills don’t exactly have the ability to just be trading away multiple picks right now with Allen’s contract hitting. 

 

 

I mentioned earlier the same in terms of a #2 WR, and if we have the right pick, trade up for him.  The other salient matter is I haven’t looked up all of our DL guys we signed, but they need extensions.  That costs on a year where we start to see Allen’s $42 mil. Hit the books.  
 

They extension guys are important, but as important is Settle, Jones, Shaq, Epenesa, J Phillips to come back.  We need them as Von will be out until most likely late November, December.  We’ll need him for the playoffs next year.

[DJB]

Spending money on oline would be a better investment and off-season 

[SCBills]

1 minute ago, machine gun kelly said:

I mentioned earlier the same in terms of a #2 WR, and if we have the right pick, trade up for him.  The other salient matter is I haven’t looked up all of our DL guys we signed, but they need extensions.  That costs on a year where we start to see Allen’s $42 mil. Hit the books.  
 

They extension guys are important, but as important is Settle, Jones, Shaq, Epenesa, J Phillips to come back.  We need them as Von will be out until most likely late November, December.  We’ll need him for the playoffs next year.

Bills are pretty well set at DL next year.  
 

DE: Von (2 guar years), Rousseau (2 years + option), AJ and Basham (1 year) 

 

DT: Oliver, Jones, Settle (all 1 year)

 

Bills can simply bring back Shaq on a team friendly deal (if he’s willing) and then draft a DT in the middle rounds.  
 

After next year, yes, lots of decisions to make on AJ, Basham, Oliver, Jones and Settle.  
 

As of now, I’d extend Daquan Jones.  Let the rest play and then evaluate. 

[NoHuddleKelly12]

As much as I would love Adams here, Josh doesn’t play defense, and I am more convinced Josh can (and does) elevate the play of those around him on O. The D on the other hand, needs all the help it can get from commodities on the come up. 

[dollars 2 donuts]

6 minutes ago, NoHuddleKelly12 said:

As much as I would love Adams here, Josh doesn’t play defense, and I am more convinced Josh can (and does) elevate the play of those around him on O. The D on the other hand, needs all the help it can get from commodities on the come up. 

 

 

Josh needs more weapons and I am willing to go out and find them, but holy hell do we really need Tremaine to stay.

 

Yeah, HUDS, I'm with you.  that is priority 1.  Draft a WR, early and often in 2023 and keep Edmunds.

 

 

[NewEra]

You speak as if davante adams is going to be a free agent. That is unlikely 

Edited January 13, 2023 by NewEra

[NewEra]

12 minutes ago, SCBills said:

Bills are pretty well set at DL next year.  
 

DE: Von (2 guar years), Rousseau (2 years + option), AJ and Basham (1 year) 

 

DT: Oliver, Jones, Settle (all 1 year)

 

Bills can simply bring back Shaq on a team friendly deal (if he’s willing) and then draft a DT in the middle rounds.  
 

After next year, yes, lots of decisions to make on AJ, Basham, Oliver, Jones and Settle.  
 

As of now, I’d extend Daquan Jones.  Let the rest play and then evaluate. 

-Von should sit most of the regular season

-Rouseeau is great.

-AJ and Basham are = street free agents.

One of them will probably get hurt. 

-Shaq is a FA.  Bringing him back would be great….if he doesn’t get offered more elsewhere. 
 

DT is fine, I agree.  Our 4th DT should probably only be making pennies next year.

 

DE might be a position we look to add a piece. Von won’t be around for awhile.  Hopefully

 

 

[machine gun kelly]

26 minutes ago, SCBills said:

Bills are pretty well set at DL next year.  
 

DE: Von (2 guar years), Rousseau (2 years + option), AJ and Basham (1 year) 

 

DT: Oliver, Jones, Settle (all 1 year)

 

Bills can simply bring back Shaq on a team friendly deal (if he’s willing) and then draft a DT in the middle rounds.  
 

After next year, yes, lots of decisions to make on AJ, Basham, Oliver, Jones and Settle.  
 

As of now, I’d extend Daquan Jones.  Let the rest play and then evaluate. 

SC, thanks as I wasn’t in a position to look it up , but Jones and Shaq then will be important.  It took them from 2017 to now to get the line set.  I’ll agree with Donuts that weapons and Guards are the priority.  I don’t know how we don’t find some common ground with Poyer to somehow secure a 2 yr. Extension.

 

The last thing I’ll add is we had the DL save for a hot minute our top flight secondary with all of those injuries.  Now when Tre is really into form the newness getting lots of time in Elam and Benford, and Taron, well he’s Taron, Dr. Poyer and Mr. Hyde back, we will be lock against weapons on the Fish and Cincy.  I can’t wait come February to think about next year.

 

For now it’s enjoy an ars kicking to the Fush Sunday, and as BB says, we’re onto Cincinatti coming to us.

 

Kick their tails and Chiefs here we come.  I must actually fly up for the Atlanta neutral location game.  All good times.

 

If we get to that ending,  you boys need to reach out so we can all tailgate with a couple of adult pops together.

Edited January 13, 2023 by machine gun kelly

[NewEra]

1 hour ago, Sharky7337 said:

Curious to see your thoughts here, this is totally a hypothetical question but I believe you would get more impact on the offensive side of the ball assuming you could get middle of the road guys to replace.

 

You have to figure devante adams is good for almost a touchdown a game.

 

For context rhe chiefs made the number one seed with some of the worst defensive ratings in the nfl this season.

And juju as their 2nd best pass catcher. 

[Sharky7337]

1 hour ago, Warriorspikes51 said:

Davante Adams signed a 5 year, $140,000,000 contract with the Las Vegas Raiders, including a $19,250,000 signing bonus, $65,670,000 guaranteed, and an average annual salary of $28,000,000.

How do you plan to sign Adams exactly?

Your missing the point in the post that says hypothetical.

 

Tremaine and Ed would prob be around 25 million a year. It's close enough to say if we spent the money which would you rather have if it was actually a thing.

[papazoid]

obviously this is a hypothetical...but i'll play along

 

for me, adding Davante Adams would be better. He's a Top 5 Elite player. opposite diggs....lookout !

 

the other two guys, while solid starters, can be replaced.

[Airseven]

So I presume the OP means re-signing Edmunds, extending (not re-signing) Oliver, and/or trading for Adams. Ideally, Edmunds gets tagged and, yes, negotiating with Oliver is prudent. The idea of trading for another big name, vet WR is silly.

Edited January 13, 2023 by Airseven

[BillsFanThru-N-Thru]

Not even sure if we can do either ... according to Spotrac the Bills are over the estimated CAP of 225 Million by 6M and OvertheCap has then 5M of the 225

[buffaloboyinATL]

7 hours ago, SCBills said:

In this binary choice, I’d go Adams .. but I’d rather get Allen a younger WR2 and not give up what it would take to trade for Adams. 
 

This goes for any top end WR under contract anywhere. 
 

Would take at least a 1 for Adams, and we’d likely get out-bid with where we’re drafting.  Even if we traded Oliver for a 2nd, Bills don’t exactly have the ability to just be trading away multiple picks right now with Allen’s contract hitting. 

 

 

I would gladly give away a !st and a 4th (or Adams based strictly on talent, however, the salary he brings with him, would hurt the rest of the team, therefor I would rather have the first option. 

[RyanC883]

always take a superstar talent over great talent.  Oliver and Edmunds are good to great, Adams is a HOF caliber player.  We have no impact players that DCs fear beyond Josh and Diggs currently (Knox is close).  We would still have several studs on D with Miller, Groot, White, Poyer and Hyde, and Milano that OCs would have to account for.  I'd rather replace Edmunds and Oliver and get Adams.  Also, the draft is likely to be out of top WRs by the end of Rd. 1, while an impact DT or LB may be available then.    I understand why some would want to do it differently, but just my 2 cents.  

3 hours ago, BillsFanThru-N-Thru said:

Not even sure if we can do either ... according to Spotrac the Bills are over the estimated CAP of 225 Million by 6M and OvertheCap has then 5M of the 225

 

this is true.  But in fantasyland, what would you choose? 

[BuffaloBaumer]

Offensive line and WR/TE should be the main priority every year of Josh's career. You give him that and we will be Super Bowl contenders EVERY SINGLE YEAR. I am fine with a mediocre defense because Josh will find a way to outscore you every week...it's really quite simple and something the Colts never figured out until it was too late with Andrew Luck.

[Ed_Formerly_of_Roch]

8 hours ago, Heavy Kevi said:

Edmunds and Oliver are very good players.

 

Adams is a bonafide superstar elite weapon right smack dab in our biggest position of need.

 

This is a no brainer. We would fill those defensive positions, and there would likely be a dropoff... But this team needs another weapon on offense. Someone besides josh and Stef to carry this team.

 

Davante could be that guy (in this made up binary scenario)

 

8 hours ago, machine gun kelly said:

We’ll probably take a swing at a WR in the 1st round of the draft.  Then start building with Guards and probably a Safety.  I wouldn’t mind finding a TE if at all possible.  We have our RB room as Cook is coming along really nice.  Diggs is phenomenal, and we have other good tools including a gadget guy in McKenzie, solid #1 TE in Knox.

 

Having a QB like Allen makes middle tier WR look real good.  Look at some of the guys on Indy, NE Green Bay over the years.  I agree we need better play at WR, but feel a 1st round rookie could give you that, plus sign a mid tier FA WR for more depth.  It took Edmunds and Oliver 3 to 4 seasons to look good, replacing them would more likely result in a large drop off defensively.

 

Agree go WR, then guard the neither another guard or safety depending what happens with Poyer and Hyde.  Do think McD knows the skills needed and like he did with Hyde find a CB to convert into safety.

Edited January 13, 2023 by Ed_Formerly_of_Roch

[SoTier]

7 hours ago, Airseven said:

So I presume the OP means re-signing Edmunds, extending (not re-signing) Oliver, and/or trading for Adams. Ideally, Edmunds gets tagged and, yes, negotiating with Oliver is prudent. The idea of trading for another big name, vet WR is silly.

 

Exactly.   The Bills don't need 2 #1 WRs.   They need a more consistent  #2 WR, whom they can acquire via FA or draft. 

 

1 hour ago, BuffaloBaumer said:

Offensive line and WR/TE should be the main priority every year of Josh's career. You give him that and we will be Super Bowl contenders EVERY SINGLE YEAR. I am fine with a mediocre defense because Josh will find a way to outscore you every week...it's really quite simple and something the Colts never figured out until it was too late with Andrew Luck.

 

I agree that improving the OL is the best way to improve the offense.   Allen is good enough to lift his receivers, but he can't do that if he's on his back.  

 

Resigning/extending Edmunds and Oliver would be money well spent to help keep the defense better than simply "mediocre".

[Victory Formation]

False conundrum.

[BIGFOOTspaceman]

10 hours ago, Warriorspikes51 said:

Davante Adams signed a 5 year, $140,000,000 contract with the Las Vegas Raiders, including a $19,250,000 signing bonus, $65,670,000 guaranteed, and an average annual salary of $28,000,000.

How do you plan to sign Adams exactly?

Duh…You obviously release Josh Allen. 

[ColoradoBills]

Draft a WR in the first 2 rounds.

[ganesh]

12 hours ago, Warriorspikes51 said:

Davante Adams signed a 5 year, $140,000,000 contract with the Las Vegas Raiders, including a $19,250,000 signing bonus, $65,670,000 guaranteed, and an average annual salary of $28,000,000.

How do you plan to sign Adams exactly?

With the same $30M he would have spent to sign Edmunds and Oliver !

1 hour ago, ColoradoBills said:

Draft a WR in the first 2 rounds.

this !  We should have worked around in the draft to get George Pickens. He was the real deal in Round 2. 

Edited January 14, 2023 by ganesh