Week 18: Pats at Bills, Sunday 1/8 1pm

[LOVEMESOMEBILLS]

2 minutes ago, 3rdand12 said:

you mean gravity  ?
But for sure scuba  , its all new for everyone, Uncharted waters 😉
Go Bills

Thats on Coaching , I would think ?

 

 My guess would be they went over all that during the week with him. If you get zone look here, man to man look there, cover 2 you're going to want to go to this receiver and so on. It can't be on the coaching when the same exact things were on Josh early in his career. He needs to be able to read defenses and then know where to go with the ball.

 

 Greg Cosell, who knows his sh_t when it comes to football, was placing it on Jones and said the play concepts were good and producing open receivers.

 

 

[3rdand12]

5 minutes ago, freddyjj said:

Huh?   If the QB makes the wrong read and throws to wrong route, how is that on the coach?
 

 Macorkle does not strike me as a humble, working hard to get better type btw. 

Dont Huh me  LOL
If he is not Coached to be successful in his skill set (limited or not ) Coaches are not doing their job
you just cant field a guy who cannot at least execute the play call, So either put someone else in. Or give him two read basic plays.
 

Just my opinion that Coaches are responsible for a players success On the field .

 If he cannot be coached up and is still on the field, again on Coaching and the HC

6 minutes ago, LOVEMESOMEBILLS said:

 

 My guess would be they went over all that during the week with him. If you get zone look here, man to man look there, cover 2 you're going to want to go to this receiver and so on. It can't be on the coaching when the same exact things were on Josh early in his career. He needs to be able to read defenses and then know where to go with the ball.

 

 Greg Cosell, who knows his sh_t when it comes to football, was placing it on Jones and said the play concepts were good and producing open receivers.

 

 

Cosell does know his sht.

 Do they need to cut bait then ?

 cuz thats kinda embarrassing for the current GM etc

[freddyjj]

16 minutes ago, 3rdand12 said:

26 minutes ago, freddyjj said:

 

Dont Huh me  LOL
If he is not Coached to be successful in his skill set (limited or not ) Coaches are not doing their job
you just cant field a guy who cannot at least execute the play call, So either put someone else in. Or give him two read basic plays.
 

Just my opinion that Coaches are responsible for a players success On the field .

 If he cannot be coached up and is still on the field, again on Coaching and the HC

Double Huh!!?? 😎 😂 

So per Greg Cosell Macorkle is missing on double read basic plays.  
 

I agree that the Pats coaching staff on Offense looks like the SAT afternoon OTB crowd and aren’t helping him.  
 

But the risk in Pats drafting Mac is that yr 1  was his ceiling.  He might just be an unathletic, uninspiring and weak armed QB. 

 

So here is hoping Pats waste a year changing OC and QB coach next year, then think it’s the WR room and try and fix that on 2024 and so on.   All for a guy who will be a Derek Carr level QB on his best day. 

 

 

[RunTheBall]

2 hours ago, PatsFanNH said:

No, means the play was that poorly designed.  Maybe the open person was suppose be a decoy and never an option but the ones meant go to covered.. or like I said doesn’t feel he has time get to his third read.. he has shown glimpses of amazing accuracy and ok arm strength when he has time.. 

 

But needless to say he was the best option in his draft outside of the first pick.. and well the crazy trades for Wilson and Watson look like huge huge mistakes. They needed a QB they drafted the second best available that year and better than any from last years draft it seems too.. and they didn’t mortgage they future to trade for a supposed stud QB.  Point is Mac is the best option they have right now unless they somehow trade up get Young if he slips some.. 

You sound like many of us during the drought. “He doesn’t have good coaching, he has no WR’s, it’s the O-line he has no time” Excuse after excuse for a mediocre at best QB. We did it for years.

 

Welcome to QB purgatory. I hope it lasts for decades

 

 

[LOVEMESOMEBILLS]

29 minutes ago, 3rdand12 said:

Dont Huh me  LOL
If he is not Coached to be successful in his skill set (limited or not ) Coaches are not doing their job
you just cant field a guy who cannot at least execute the play call, So either put someone else in. Or give him two read basic plays.
 

Just my opinion that Coaches are responsible for a players success On the field .

 If he cannot be coached up and is still on the field, again on Coaching and the HC

Cosell does know his sht.

 Do they need to cut bait then ?

 cuz thats kinda embarrassing for the current GM etc

 

 I think he was asked that and was undecided? Said while he did look at game tape, he didn't know enough about the situation. He didn't sound very optimistic though.

 

 

[3rdand12]

3 minutes ago, freddyjj said:

Double Huh!!?? 😎 😂 

So per Greg Cosell Macorkle is missing on double read basic plays.  
 

I agree that the Pats coaching staff on Offense looks like the SAT afternoon OTB crowd and aren’t helping him.  
 

But the risk in Pats drafting Mac is that yr 1  was his ceiling.  He might just be an unathletic, uninspiring and weak armed QB. 

 

So here is hoping Pats waste a year changing OC and QB coach next year, then think it’s the WR room and try and fix that on 2024 and so on.   All for a guy who will be a Derek Carr level QB on his best day. 

 

 

Oh sure,  he is likely a dumbas too !
 But the offseason at Patriots and all the  " who is the OC bs ? Oh we cant tell you yet " make me think this was a mess before the season began.
Do not disagree he might suck wind freddy !
But how can coaching allow this on the game day ?
Dumb it down enough for him if he cannot execute
 

Maybe they should have spent more time on the run game offseason  LOL

1 minute ago, LOVEMESOMEBILLS said:

 

 I think he was asked that and was undecided? Said while he did look at game tape, he didn't know enough about the situation. He didn't sound very optimistic though.

 

 

I wouldn't be either. Optimistic that is 🙄
 What does this say about Bill B ? Is he jus a victim? Hasn't he been the default GM ?

[LOVEMESOMEBILLS]

12 minutes ago, 3rdand12 said:

Oh sure,  he is likely a dumbas too !
 But the offseason at Patriots and all the  " who is the OC bs ? Oh we cant tell you yet " make me think this was a mess before the season began.
Do not disagree he might suck wind freddy !
But how can coaching allow this on the game day ?
Dumb it down enough for him if he cannot execute
 

Maybe they should have spent more time on the run game offseason  LOL

I wouldn't be either. Optimistic that is 🙄
 What does this say about Bill B ? Is he jus a victim? Hasn't he been the default GM ?

 

 For Bill I believe it means 1 of 3 things. Either he's too loyal, likes yes men or likes coaches he's already familiar with.

 

 As far as Greg is concerned, to just a guy listening, he sounded like he didn't want to come out and blame anyone, but I think it was the answers to Chris Brown's follow up questions that eventually painted the picture. When you hear things like they have good play concepts that are producing wide open(his words) receivers, Mac is just not seeing them and often isn't even looking in the right areas of the field and for whatever reason he's simply not seeing them(The open WRs). To me, that's sounds like it's on the QB all the way.

 

 

 

 

Edited January 8, 2023 by LOVEMESOMEBILLS

[Scott7975]

19 minutes ago, RunTheBall said:

You sound like many of us during the drought. “He doesn’t have good coaching, he has no WR’s, it’s the O-line he has no time” Excuse after excuse for a mediocre at best QB. We did it for years.

 

Welcome to QB purgatory. I hope it lasts for decades

 

 

 

I've been telling him that all year lol.  We all know what mediocre QBs look like. We had that for like 2 decades.

[TH3]

3 hours ago, Mr. WEO said:

 

Beasley has played only 4 games this year.  How fresh does he need to be?

Ummm….maybe Beasley is just stale now…People seem to think he is Beas from 2-3 season ago….maybe he is just ineffective now

[PatsFanNH]

39 minutes ago, RunTheBall said:

You sound like many of us during the drought. “He doesn’t have good coaching, he has no WR’s, it’s the O-line he has no time” Excuse after excuse for a mediocre at best QB. We did it for years.

 

Welcome to QB purgatory. I hope it lasts for decades

 

 

Question.. because I honestly don’t know.. did you ever have an unqualified OC or aQb Coach like Patricia and Judge? I honestly don’t know but these two have zero experience on the O side of the ball and they are legit garbage! Mac could be bad or meh we don’t know yet.. we would if we had competent OC and WB coach

[3rdand12]

37 minutes ago, LOVEMESOMEBILLS said:

 

 For Bill I believe it means 1 of 3 things. Either he's too loyal, likes yes men or likes coaches he's already familiar with.

 

 As far as Greg is concerned, to just a guy listening, he sounded like he didn't want to come out and blame anyone, but I think it was the answers to Chris Brown's follow up questions that eventually painted the picture. When you hear things like they have good play concepts that are producing wide open(his words) receivers, Mac is just not seeing them and often isn't even looking in the right areas of the field and for whatever reason he's simply not seeing them(The open WRs). To me, that's sounds like it's on the QB all the way.

 

 

 

 

I sure wont argue with you.
But really does amaze me they cannot coach him up to some degree   lol

[CincyBillsFan]

14 minutes ago, PatsFanNH said:

Question.. because I honestly don’t know.. did you ever have an unqualified OC or aQb Coach like Patricia and Judge? I honestly don’t know but these two have zero experience on the O side of the ball and they are legit garbage! Mac could be bad or meh we don’t know yet.. we would if we had competent OC and WB coach

Oh yes we've had more then our fair share of unqualified coordinators and position group coaches through the 18 year drought.

 

 

[freddyjj]

22 minutes ago, PatsFanNH said:

Question.. because I honestly don’t know.. did you ever have an unqualified OC or aQb Coach like Patricia and Judge? I honestly don’t know but these two have zero experience on the O side of the ball and they are legit garbage! Mac could be bad or meh we don’t know yet.. we would if we had competent OC and WB coach

Lol.  What did Mac do vs Bills last year with a real OC.  He’s won 4 games in Pat’s last 8 all vs backup QBs.   
 

So keep doin what you been doin BB!

[AlfaBill]

30 minutes ago, PatsFanNH said:

Question.. because I honestly don’t know.. did you ever have an unqualified OC or aQb Coach like Patricia and Judge? I honestly don’t know but these two have zero experience on the O side of the ball and they are legit garbage! Mac could be bad or meh we don’t know yet.. we would if we had competent OC and WB coach

Remember Nate Hackett?

[RunTheBall]

28 minutes ago, PatsFanNH said:

Question.. because I honestly don’t know.. did you ever have an unqualified OC or aQb Coach like Patricia and Judge? I honestly don’t know but these two have zero experience on the O side of the ball and they are legit garbage! Mac could be bad or meh we don’t know yet.. we would if we had competent OC and WB coach

We had some ok ones, we had some absolute clowns. IDK if we had anyone as bad as Patricia and Judge, to your point. I’ve blocked out most of that 17 years of pain the PTSD comes back to easily if I think back. Most of it was Ralph’s (thank you for keeping the team in Buffalo) fault. New ownership changed everything.

 

[stevestojan]

Ok, so according to the flow chart, the difference between a win and loss tomorrow is where the AFCCG will be, correct? (And who we play in round 1, but we need to beat whoever that is. Period.) 

 

So win and neutral, lose and Arrowhead? 

Edited January 8, 2023 by stevestojan

[Low Positive]

31 minutes ago, PatsFanNH said:

Question.. because I honestly don’t know.. did you ever have an unqualified OC or aQb Coach like Patricia and Judge? I honestly don’t know but these two have zero experience on the O side of the ball and they are legit garbage! Mac could be bad or meh we don’t know yet.. we would if we had competent OC and WB coach

Not at the same time. We did have a WR coach as QB coach in Josh’s rookie year but Daboll was OC. But this whole situation falls squarely on BB for thinking that this could work. That’s just hubris.

[Airseven]

Bills lose the bye because they didn’t play the Bengals. So be it. They have a tremendous opportunity tomorrow and still a fair and manageable path. Everything in its right place.

Edited January 8, 2023 by Airseven

[jcamm1966]

People on the Titians fourm think they found their Josh Allen

[BLeonard]

5 minutes ago, stevestojan said:

Ok, so according to the flow chart, the difference between a win and loss tomorrow is where the AFCCG will be, correct? (And who we play in round 1, but we need to beat whoever that is. Period.) 

 

So win and neutral, lose and Arrowhead? 

If the Bills finish as the #2 seed, they can play NE, MIA, PIT or JAX in the WC Round.  If JAX wins tonight, they'd be removed from this list.

If the Bills finish as the #3 seed they WILL play Baltimore.

 

If the Bills win, an AFC Championship game between the Bills and Chiefs would be at a neutral site.  If the Bills lose, the AFC Championship would be played at the highest remaining seed, as it is normally.

[jcamm1966]

Jax owner is the Chef boy rar dee guy

[Dablitzkrieg]

[Airseven]

7 minutes ago, jcamm1966 said:

People on the Titians fourm think they found their Josh Allen

They deserve to be excited at the moment.

[LOVEMESOMEBILLS]

36 minutes ago, 3rdand12 said:

I sure wont argue with you.
But really does amaze me they cannot coach him up to some degree   lol

 

 Unless Josh McDaniels was spoon feeding him everything? The biggest indictment of Mac, imo, is with everything being equal Rookie Bailey Zappe has played very well this year when given the opportunity in the 4 games he played.

 

 

 

[Ta111]

15 minutes ago, stevestojan said:

Ok, so according to the flow chart, the difference between a win and loss tomorrow is where the AFCCG will be, correct? (And who we play in round 1, but we need to beat whoever that is. Period.) 

 

So win and neutral, lose and Arrowhead? 

You’re forgetting the 2 vs 3 seed as well. If Bills lose and Bengals win, not only would the Bills have to play a AFCCG in KC, but the divisional game against Cincinnati would be played there. There’s a lot to play for tomorrow.

[stevestojan]

3 minutes ago, Ta111 said:

You’re forgetting the 2 vs 3 seed as well. If Bills lose and Bengals win, not only would the Bills have to play a AFCCG in KC, but the divisional game against Cincinnati would be played there. There’s a lot to play for tomorrow.

Damn. Ok yeah. That’s important. 

[Nextmanup]

12 minutes ago, jcamm1966 said:

Jax owner is the Chef boy rar dee guy

[Motor26]

Tomorrow is either going to be a close loss let down after an emotional week or a total beat down by the Bills.

Edited January 8, 2023 by Motor26

[Buffalo716]

1 minute ago, Motor26 said:

Tomorrow is either going to be a close loss let down after an emotional week or a total beat down by the Bills.

STAMPEDE 

[Airseven]

Just now, Motor26 said:

Tomorrow is either going to be a close loss let down after an emotional week or a total beat down by the Bills.

It doesn’t have to be a let down. Patriots are playing for their season. They can outplay (out-scheme) and win.

[wolfpack78]

Sorry if posted already - both Jalen Mills and Jonnu Smith ruled out.  That Jonnu contract looks pretty bad when you look at his production…

[UKBillFan]

41 minutes ago, jcamm1966 said:

People on the Titians fourm think they found their Josh Allen

 

What? Where? Are they not watching the Titans play at the moment?

Edited January 8, 2023 by UKBillFan

[PatsFanNH]

56 minutes ago, freddyjj said:

Lol.  What did Mac do vs Bills last year with a real OC.  He’s won 4 games in Pat’s last 8 all vs backup QBs.   
 

So keep doin what you been doin BB!

Last year? They won 1 game and they were a dropped INT from taking the lead with less than 2 minutes left in the second game. Yes it’s his fault you never punted that game but yet they were within 1 score late… (sarcasm) even though Allen and your O dominated.  The playoff game was squarely on the D shoulders they never stopped the Bills O once even for a FG and I think that AMAZING INT by the Bills on the first drive hurt Macs confidence as a rookie in the playoffs.. How did Allen look in his first playoff game? (Asking I don’t remember lol and stats don’t always tell the hole story) so see with a competent OC the Pats were competitive on O… again that playoff game was on the D… terrible terrible D game.

22 minutes ago, Airseven said:

It doesn’t have to be a let down. Patriots are playing for their season. They can outplay (out-scheme) and win.

That’s sarcasm right? I would love see 1 TRICK play by this OC or one creative play even! 

[Airseven]

5 minutes ago, PatsFanNH said:

That’s sarcasm right? I would love see 1 TRICK play by this OC or one creative play even! 

Not sure your point about trick plays. But Belichick vs. McDermott in a must-win for the Pats is never a given despite recent history.

[PatsFanNH]

2 minutes ago, Airseven said:

Not sure your point about trick plays. But Belichick vs. McDermott in a must-win for the Pats is never a given despite recent history.

Maybe when if we had a competent OC or O at all.. but they don’t and our D has an extremely hard time stopping your O period since the wind game last year. 

[MJS]

1 hour ago, PatsFanNH said:

Question.. because I honestly don’t know.. did you ever have an unqualified OC or aQb Coach like Patricia and Judge? I honestly don’t know but these two have zero experience on the O side of the ball and they are legit garbage! Mac could be bad or meh we don’t know yet.. we would if we had competent OC and WB coach

You are asking the fans of the 17 year playoff drought Bills if they have experience with bad coaches? Just about all of our coaches were old retreads or unqualified through those years. We had to beg coaches, any coaches, to come here.

[freddyjj]

10 minutes ago, PatsFanNH said:

Last year? They won 1 game and they were a dropped INT from taking the lead with less than 2 minutes left in the second game. Yes it’s his fault you never punted that game but yet they were within 1 score late… (sarcasm) even though Allen and your O dominated.  The playoff game was squarely on the D shoulders they never stopped the Bills O once even for a FG and I think that AMAZING INT by the Bills on the first drive hurt Macs confidence as a rookie in the playoffs.. How did Allen look in his first playoff game? (Asking I don’t remember lol and stats don’t always tell the hole story) so see with a competent OC the Pats were competitive on O… again that playoff game was on the D… terrible terrible D game.

That’s sarcasm right? I would love see 1 TRICK play by this OC or one creative play even! 

Get real here.  Your Southern Frat Boy QB threw 3 passes in the wind game win.  And got a couple garbage time TDs in his 1st playoff game to pull within 30.  
 

Josh got us back in game to force OT in his first playoff game which we lost to Texans by 3.  
 

You can hope all you want but versus a team in BUF that he has to be able to beat Mac has 4TDs and 4 INTs in his career.  He does not have the ability to improvise when plays break down like Allen, Mahomes or others demonstrate.  Please keep him around for a decade and get used to 8-9 seasons and picking 16th.  

 

[TheyCallMeAndy]

So if everyone who “should win” tomorrow, does in fact win, we are likely looking at Miami or Pittsburgh in the wildcard if my thoughts are correct. 

[PatsFanNH]

2 minutes ago, freddyjj said:

Get real here.  Your Southern Frat Boy QB threw 3 passes in the wind game win.  And got a couple garbage time TDs in his 1st playoff game to pull within 30.  
 

Josh got us back in game to force OT in his first playoff game which we lost to Texans by 3.  
 

You can hope all you want but versus a team in BUF that he has to be able to beat Mac has 4TDs and 4 INTs in his career.  He does not have the ability to improvise when plays break down like Allen, Mahomes or others demonstrate.  Please keep him around for a decade and get used to 8-9 seasons and picking 16th.  

 

Umm the 2nd game was regular season  final score 24-10. The last drive Allen threw the ball right into Jackson’s hands at the 15 and he dropped it with less than 2 minutes to go. Was an easy pick 6.  Also that game:

 

22/36  195 yards 1 TD — Jones

 

22/33 223 yards 2 TD. -Allen

 

Wow what a difference (face palm) 

 

Thanks for the playoff upset I forgot.. but your memory is faulty the Bills had a huge lead and lost it in the fourth quarter and then lost in OT to a FG.  Also:

 

1st playoff game:

 

QBR: one 75.8 the other 69.5. Both QBs let down by their D. One had 0 TD passes the other 2 TD.
 

 

improvise.. lmao  Mahomes improvises and had Hill and Kelce to throw to.. Allen improvises has Diggs to throw to.. Burrows.. oh wait he doesn’t improvise much but has Chase and Higgens there.. it’s easy to “improvise with elite talent around you.. Pats have decent Talent but no elite talent like the top improvising QBs.. 

 

Now I don’t know if Mac is going be a top 15 QB or a bust.. I want see a real OC with him again like last year where his stats lined up nicely as a rookie and his play in the playoff game wasn’t bad.. the D sure was!  

 

[freddyjj]

1 minute ago, PatsFanNH said:

Umm the 2nd game was regular season  final score 24-10. The last drive Allen threw the ball right into Jackson’s hands at the 15 and he dropped it with less than 2 minutes to go. Was an easy pick 6.  Also that game:

 

22/36  195 yards 1 TD — Jones

 

22/33 223 yards 2 TD. -Allen

 

Wow what a difference (face palm) 

 

Thanks for the playoff upset I forgot.. but your memory is faulty the Bills had a huge lead and lost it in the fourth quarter and then lost in OT to a FG.  Also:

 

1st playoff game:

 

QBR: one 75.8 the other 69.5. Both QBs let down by their D. One had 0 TD passes the other 2 TD.
 

 

improvise.. lmao  Mahomes improvises and had Hill and Kelce to throw to.. Allen improvises has Diggs to throw to.. Burrows.. oh wait he doesn’t improvise much but has Chase and Higgens there.. it’s easy to “improvise with elite talent around you.. Pats have decent Talent but no elite talent like the top improvising QBs.. 

 

Now I don’t know if Mac is going be a top 15 QB or a bust.. I want see a real OC with him again like last year where his stats lined up nicely as a rookie and his play in the playoff game wasn’t bad.. the D sure was!  

 

I would never pick a frat Boy with a DUI to be the face of my franchise… but good luck with that.  I am signing off as your false hope for Macorkle is comical at this point.