Success Posted December 16, 2022 Share Posted December 16, 2022 I think a lot of us here have been fans since the SB years, and even before. I still consider us incredibly lucky to have had a QB like Jim Kelly, even though those teams couldn't close the deal. A lot of fanbases are lucky to get a QB like that once in their lifetime. But we got another. And if you had told any of us on draft day that this is what we could have expected, we wouldn't have believed it. And I was really happy about that pick - but I never imagined he'd turn out to be this much of a force. There is a lot of debate about this, as there will always be w/ QBs - but I personally believe he is the best in the league right now. It's obviously close with Mahomes, but I wouldn't trade them if I could, and I like to believe I'm judging that objectively. It's funny how quickly we get used to amazing play, week after week. We're accustomed to it now, so don't really think about it. But for almost a quarter of a century here, it wasn't the way. I'm not sure if any other fanbase has had to endure so much bad QB play over such a long stretch - maybe Cleveland. The reward for our loyalty has come, in the form of a scrambling, running, hurdling unicorn, with a cannon for an arm and a fierce competitive drive. Just wanted to take a minute today to thank the universe. 20 5 1 2 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
US Egg Posted December 16, 2022 Share Posted December 16, 2022 (edited) Your welcome? 😳 Edited December 16, 2022 by I am the egg man 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HOUSE Posted December 16, 2022 Share Posted December 16, 2022 I will buy Josh a Timmy Hortons coffee (small) 1 5 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LabattBlue Posted December 16, 2022 Share Posted December 16, 2022 I’m such an idiot. It never dawned on me that it is really nice to have a great QB on the team. Thanks for the enlightenment. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Success Posted December 16, 2022 Author Share Posted December 16, 2022 1 minute ago, LabattBlue said: I’m such an idiot. It never dawned on me that it is really nice to have a great QB on the team. Thanks for the enlightenment. I'm not lecturing anybody. Just a thread of thanks. 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Captain Hindsight Posted December 16, 2022 Share Posted December 16, 2022 6 minutes ago, HOUSE said: I will buy Josh a Timmy Hortons coffee (small) Whose wallet did you steal? 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HOUSE Posted December 16, 2022 Share Posted December 16, 2022 5 minutes ago, Captain Hindsight said: Whose wallet did you steal? You are paying for it 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ALLinALLEN Posted December 16, 2022 Share Posted December 16, 2022 (edited) I would no doubt 100% trade him for Mahomes in a second, but, I am incredibly happy he is my starting QB and hope it stays that way for 10+ years. *edit - this was in response to OP saying " It's obviously close with Mahomes, but I wouldn't trade them if I could, and I like to believe I'm judging that objectively." Edited December 16, 2022 by ALLinALLEN 1 3 1 1 1 5 1 2 6 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Warriorspikes51 Posted December 16, 2022 Share Posted December 16, 2022 Just now, ALLinALLEN said: I would no doubt 100% trade him for Mahomes in a second, but, I am incredibly happy he is my starting QB and hope it stays that way for 10+ years. neither franchise would do that 3 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ALLinALLEN Posted December 16, 2022 Share Posted December 16, 2022 Just now, Warriorspikes51 said: neither franchise would do that lol I know that....the OP said he wouldnt trade allen for mahomes which is a ludicrous statement. 4 7 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Punching Bag Posted December 16, 2022 Share Posted December 16, 2022 5 minutes ago, ALLinALLEN said: I would no doubt 100% trade him for Mahomes in a second, but, I am incredibly happy he is my starting QB and hope it stays that way for 10+ years. You should change posting alias to NotALLinALLEN. 2 1 4 3 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DaBillsFanSince1973 Posted December 16, 2022 Share Posted December 16, 2022 (edited) 8 minutes ago, ALLinALLEN said: I would no doubt 100% trade him for Mahomes in a second, but, I am incredibly happy he is my starting QB and hope it stays that way for 10+ years. nice username. hypocrite 1 minute ago, Limeaid said: You should change posting alias to NotALLinALLEN. you can smell a troll from a mile away. he or she reeks troll Edited December 16, 2022 by DaBillsFanSince1973 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Doc Posted December 16, 2022 Share Posted December 16, 2022 6 minutes ago, ALLinALLEN said: lol I know that....the OP said he wouldnt trade allen for mahomes which is a ludicrous statement. No, calling it a ludicrous statement...is a ludicrous statement. 4 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ALLinALLEN Posted December 16, 2022 Share Posted December 16, 2022 4 minutes ago, DaBillsFanSince1973 said: nice username. hypocrite you can smell a troll from a mile away. he or she reeks troll Not a troll whatsoever and stand by my username....you know it's OK to believe in and love having Allen and admit there are other QB's just as great if not better than him right? 1 1 1 1 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Warriorspikes51 Posted December 16, 2022 Share Posted December 16, 2022 Just now, ALLinALLEN said: Not a troll whatsoever and stand by my username....you know it's OK to believe in and love having Allen and admit there are other QB's just as great if not better than him right? When Mahomes and Allen are at their best....it's a literal coin flip as to who the better QB is..... 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GoBills808 Posted December 16, 2022 Share Posted December 16, 2022 12 minutes ago, ALLinALLEN said: lol I know that....the OP said he wouldnt trade allen for mahomes which is a ludicrous statement. Wrong 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Success Posted December 16, 2022 Author Share Posted December 16, 2022 12 minutes ago, ALLinALLEN said: lol I know that....the OP said he wouldnt trade allen for mahomes which is a ludicrous statement. They have very different styles. I don't see how anyone could call it "ludicrous" to value Allen's skill set more. Mahomes' style is more akin to Steph Curry in the NBA. An amazing player, but he gets a little careless w/ his "Globetrotters" kind of style at times. He's a little too loose. Mahomes makes quite a few amazing plays that way - but also some bad ones. I just think Allen can do a bit more, and has a slightly better arm. It's close, but I think Allen will go down as the better QB when all is said & done. 3 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ALLinALLEN Posted December 16, 2022 Share Posted December 16, 2022 1 minute ago, Warriorspikes51 said: When Mahomes and Allen are at their best....it's a literal coin flip as to who the better QB is..... Totally agree, but to me at least it seems Mahomes is more consistently at his best compared to Allen. 1 5 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Simon Says Posted December 16, 2022 Share Posted December 16, 2022 20 hours ago, Ed_Formerly_of_Roch said: A team would have to sign him to their 53, not to the PS. Also think would require a substantial pay bump to pull it off. 35 minutes ago, Success said: I think a lot of us here have been fans since the SB years, and even before. I still consider us incredibly lucky to have had a QB like Jim Kelly, even though those teams couldn't close the deal. A lot of fanbases are lucky to get a QB like that once in their lifetime. But we got another. And if you had told any of us on draft day that this is what we could have expected, we wouldn't have believed it. And I was really happy about that pick - but I never imagined he'd turn out to be this much of a force. There is a lot of debate about this, as there will always be w/ QBs - but I personally believe he is the best in the league right now. It's obviously close with Mahomes, but I wouldn't trade them if I could, and I like to believe I'm judging that objectively. It's funny how quickly we get used to amazing play, week after week. We're accustomed to it now, so don't really think about it. But for almost a quarter of a century here, it wasn't the way. I'm not sure if any other fanbase has had to endure so much bad QB play over such a long stretch - maybe Cleveland. The reward for our loyalty has come, in the form of a scrambling, running, hurdling unicorn, with a cannon for an arm and a fierce competitive drive. Just wanted to take a minute today to thank the universe. I'm a lifelong Bills fan and try not to let that affect my judgment. As much as fans might love Josh as a PERSON I think many are quite subjective in their evaluation of him as a QUARTERBACK. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ALLinALLEN Posted December 16, 2022 Share Posted December 16, 2022 Just now, Warriorspikes51 said: Doesn't sound like an apology that can win the Super Bowl 🧐 This response doesnt even make sense Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Beck Water Posted December 16, 2022 Share Posted December 16, 2022 35 minutes ago, HOUSE said: I will buy Josh a Timmy Hortons coffee (small) where’s your wallet? pics of the cash it contains or we don’t believe it can happen Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Starr Almighty Posted December 16, 2022 Share Posted December 16, 2022 I'd take either QB I think they are both on the same level. Now what I would trade is Dorsey for Andy. There is where the difference is 7 minutes ago, ALLinALLEN said: Not a troll whatsoever and stand by my username....you know it's OK to believe in and love having Allen and admit there are other QB's just as great if not better than him right? 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BillsFan130 Posted December 16, 2022 Share Posted December 16, 2022 35 minutes ago, ALLinALLEN said: I would no doubt 100% trade him for Mahomes in a second, but, I am incredibly happy he is my starting QB and hope it stays that way for 10+ years. *edit - this was in response to OP saying " It's obviously close with Mahomes, but I wouldn't trade them if I could, and I like to believe I'm judging that objectively." 3 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HereComesTheReignAgain Posted December 16, 2022 Share Posted December 16, 2022 38 minutes ago, ALLinALLEN said: I would no doubt 100% trade him for Mahomes in a second, but, I am incredibly happy he is my starting QB and hope it stays that way for 10+ years. *edit - this was in response to OP saying " It's obviously close with Mahomes, but I wouldn't trade them if I could, and I like to believe I'm judging that objectively." Even if Mahomes was better than Allen, I could never listen to that grating, horrible, kermit voiced cadence before every play. I want to drill my eardrums out every time I hear him get ready for a snap. Does this annoy anyone else? 3 2 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr. WEO Posted December 16, 2022 Share Posted December 16, 2022 you two get a room... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BruceVilanch Posted December 16, 2022 Share Posted December 16, 2022 5 minutes ago, HereComesTheReignAgain said: Even if Mahomes was better than Allen, I could never listen to that grating, horrible, kermit voiced cadence before every play. I want to drill my eardrums out every time I hear him get ready for a snap. Does this annoy anyone else? That doesn't annoy me as much as his brother and his wife does. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HereComesTheReignAgain Posted December 16, 2022 Share Posted December 16, 2022 Just now, BruceVilanch said: That doesn't annoy me as much as his brother and his wife does. Fair enough. But that is like saying a kick to the face isn't as bad a a kick to the nuts. Both really really bad. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ALLinALLEN Posted December 16, 2022 Share Posted December 16, 2022 7 minutes ago, HereComesTheReignAgain said: Even if Mahomes was better than Allen, I could never listen to that grating, horrible, kermit voiced cadence before every play. I want to drill my eardrums out every time I hear him get ready for a snap. Does this annoy anyone else? It would also take 1 Jackson Mahomes tik tok dance to have the entire fan base at his neck lol....and his wife isn't great either. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CincyBillsFan Posted December 16, 2022 Share Posted December 16, 2022 44 minutes ago, Warriorspikes51 said: When Mahomes and Allen are at their best....it's a literal coin flip as to who the better QB is..... Which means that in deciding what QB would be better for Buffalo the intangibles drive the decision. And IMO Allen has the perfect temperament for Buffalo. I'm not sure that Mahomes does. So I would never trade Allen for Mahomes. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BullBuchanan Posted December 16, 2022 Share Posted December 16, 2022 (edited) 1 hour ago, Success said: I think a lot of us here have been fans since the SB years, and even before. I still consider us incredibly lucky to have had a QB like Jim Kelly, even though those teams couldn't close the deal. A lot of fanbases are lucky to get a QB like that once in their lifetime. But we got another. And if you had told any of us on draft day that this is what we could have expected, we wouldn't have believed it. And I was really happy about that pick - but I never imagined he'd turn out to be this much of a force. There is a lot of debate about this, as there will always be w/ QBs - but I personally believe he is the best in the league right now. It's obviously close with Mahomes, but I wouldn't trade them if I could, and I like to believe I'm judging that objectively. It's funny how quickly we get used to amazing play, week after week. We're accustomed to it now, so don't really think about it. But for almost a quarter of a century here, it wasn't the way. I'm not sure if any other fanbase has had to endure so much bad QB play over such a long stretch - maybe Cleveland. The reward for our loyalty has come, in the form of a scrambling, running, hurdling unicorn, with a cannon for an arm and a fierce competitive drive. Just wanted to take a minute today to thank the universe. I'm full on the Josh train, but if you wouldn't trade him for a guy that's taken his team to the AFC championship every year he's played along with back to back SB appearances including a SB win and a SB MVP, I'm not sure how objective that can be. They're highly likely to be in that position again for a 5th straight year. Edited December 16, 2022 by BullBuchanan Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GoBills808 Posted December 16, 2022 Share Posted December 16, 2022 1 minute ago, BullBuchanan said: I'm full on the Josh train, but if you would've trade him for a guy that's taken his team to the AFC championship every year he's played along with back to back SB appearances including a SB win and a SB MVP, I'm not sure how objective that can be. They're highly likely to be int hat position again for a 5th straight year. It's personal preference at this point imo. There's no disputing Mahomes resume, nor the fact that he's been put in a better situation to succeed offensively. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LABILLBACKER Posted December 16, 2022 Share Posted December 16, 2022 1 hour ago, Warriorspikes51 said: When Mahomes and Allen are at their best....it's a literal coin flip as to who the better QB is..... If you gave Josh players like Tyreek and Kelce along with an offensive genius like Reid, he'd have a ring too. Josh has Diggs and that's about it. No bonified 2nd wr. Weak OL and now a struggling rookie OC. Josh has to make lemonade out of lemons. Mahomes & Allen are practically identical. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheBrownBear Posted December 16, 2022 Share Posted December 16, 2022 After what we've been through, it's hard NOT to deify the guy. He ain't perfect, but I wouldn't trade him for anyone else in the world. He's the perfect fit for the fanbase and city. We are damn lucky to have him. 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Success Posted December 16, 2022 Author Share Posted December 16, 2022 13 minutes ago, BullBuchanan said: I'm full on the Josh train, but if you wouldn't trade him for a guy that's taken his team to the AFC championship every year he's played along with back to back SB appearances including a SB win and a SB MVP, I'm not sure how objective that can be. They're highly likely to be in that position again for a 5th straight year. It's a team game. We've had to play in KC every time, and they had the better team when we played them in the AFCCG 2 years ago. Last year, it was neck & neck, and I thought JA outplayed Mahomes in the 4th. If not for a complete defensive lapse, JA should have won that game. And Mahomes disappeared the next week. He has fallen short in the playoffs & SB more than he has come through. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BullBuchanan Posted December 16, 2022 Share Posted December 16, 2022 (edited) 3 minutes ago, Success said: It's a team game. We've had to play in KC every time, and they had the better team when we played them in the AFCCG 2 years ago. Last year, it was neck & neck, and I thought JA outplayed Mahomes in the 4th. If not for a complete defensive lapse, JA should have won that game. And Mahomes disappeared the next week. He has fallen short in the playoffs & SB more than he has come through. This is true of every player to ever play the game, including Brady, the GOAT. Correction: Otto Graham went to the championship every year he was in the league and won 7/10. Edited December 16, 2022 by BullBuchanan Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Success Posted December 16, 2022 Author Share Posted December 16, 2022 (edited) 4 minutes ago, BullBuchanan said: This is true of every player to ever play the game, including Brady, the GOAT. I don't disagree - but the narrative on Mahomes would be a whole lot different if Jimmy G had hit a wide open receiver for a long TD pass in the 1 Super Bowl KC won. It's why I don't compare JA and Mahomes based on playoff successes & failures. For me, it was the same w/ the Brady/Manning comparisons. Brady had the GOAT coach and consistently more well-rounded rosters. Manning went through 5 coaches and often had to carry those Colts teams. Edited December 16, 2022 by Success 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ALLinALLEN Posted December 16, 2022 Share Posted December 16, 2022 (edited) 28 minutes ago, GoBills808 said: It's personal preference at this point imo. There's no disputing Mahomes resume, nor the fact that he's been put in a better situation to succeed offensively. There are also a ton of stats and data that say this is not just purely a "personal preference" point either. That's also OK too. Edited December 16, 2022 by ALLinALLEN 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Starr Almighty Posted December 16, 2022 Share Posted December 16, 2022 1 hour ago, HereComesTheReignAgain said: Even if Mahomes was better than Allen, I could never listen to that grating, horrible, kermit voiced cadence before every play. I want to drill my eardrums out every time I hear him get ready for a snap. Does this annoy anyone else? His walk bothers me alot more Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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RobbRiddick Posted December 16, 2022 Share Posted December 16, 2022 Thank you, Joshua. I may be a married man but I will always remember our one special night when you took me to the park and taught me how to hurdle under the light of a full moon Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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