Mahomes went through a slump last year too

[Einstein]

Before becoming Mahomes again and leading his team to the AFC Championship game.

 

Mahomes had a 5 game stretch in the middle of the season where these were his performances:

0 TD, 1 INT, 1 Fumble
0 TD, 1 INT, 1 Fumble
1 TD, 1 INT
1 TD, 0 INT
0 TD, 1 INT, 1 Fumble

 

The point? Even the great ones can slump. Play poorly. Lose their mojo. Forget how to read the field.

 

I am far more concerned about the coaching, as some of these coaching mistakes have been happening since day 1 of McDermott’s tenure.

 

But Josh will get better. He will overcome. He will become great again. Mahomes slumped and he came back. So will Allen.

 

Go Bills.

[BillsBlue]

Just now, Einstein said:

Before becoming Mahomes again and leading his team to the AFC Championship game.

 

Mahomes had a 5 game stretch in the middle of the season where these were his performances:

0 TD, 1 INT, 1 Fumble
0 TD, 1 INT, 1 Fumble
1 TD, 1 INT
1 TD, 0 INT
0 TD, 1 INT, 1 Fumble

 

The point? Even the great ones can slump. Play poorly. Lose their mojo. Forget how to read the field.

 

I am far more concerned about the coaching, as some of these coaching mistakes have been happening since day 1 of McDermott’s tenure.

 

But Josh will get better. He will overcome. He will become great again. Mahomes slumped and he came back. So will Allen.

 

Go Bills.

I hope it's that simple I really do

[Einstein]

Just now, BillsBlue said:

I hope it's that simple I really do

 

In the middle of it, Chiefs fans were besides themselves too.

 

But when you step back, zoom out, a few games looks very small. As they should.

[goldenboy81]

Your threads have been a lot better lately. 

Really good compared to the others started in the past hr

[78thealltimegreat]

Mahomes lost to the Colts and went to overtime with a Malik Willis titans team. Josh lost to a 7-1 football team where they needed to literally roll 7s for like 10 plays 

[MPT]

Well you left out the 5TD game he had in the middle of that span and the Chiefs won 4 out of 5 of the games you did mention. This isn't all about Allen though. He's not playing well, but these losses are a complete team effort. No one else, including the coaching staff, is going to step up and win us a game when Allen doesn't play well. 

[stevestojan]

Did Patty have the ball with 44 seconds left with nothing to do but seal the victory and somehow lose the game? 

[Einstein]

4 minutes ago, stevestojan said:

Did Patty have the ball with 44 seconds left with nothing to do but seal the victory and somehow lose the game? 

 

Yes I seem to remember him throwing an INT against us with the game on the line just a few weeks ago.

[Process]

I am WAYYYYYYY more worried about Dorsey than I am Josh. 

[Bill Grundy]

8 minutes ago, stevestojan said:

Did Patty have the ball with 44 seconds left with nothing to do but seal the victory and somehow lose the game? 

 

How many QBs would have gone and got us deep into FG range to get OT straight after tho? 

[stevestojan]

2 minutes ago, LondonBill said:

 

How many QBs would have gone and got us deep into FG range to get OT straight after tho? 

I don’t know? Like 3? 

[Brianmoorman4jesus]

People need to stop comparing the ***** we do to the Chiefs. They won theirs. They can do nothing from this point forward and we still aren’t them. 

[Einstein]

2 minutes ago, Brianmoorman4jesus said:

People need to stop comparing the ***** we do to the Chiefs. They won theirs. They can do nothing from this point forward and we still aren’t them. 

 

Nothing to do with the Chiefs.

 

It’s comparing great player to great player. Human nature.

[Brianmoorman4jesus]

2 minutes ago, Einstein said:

 

Nothing to do with the Chiefs.

 

It’s comparing great player to great player. Human nature.

Josh Allen might be my favorite bill of all time. Absolutely by a mile of recent Bills…he’s nowhere near Mahomes. Sorry. 

[RiotAct]

he didn’t have rank morons on his sideline like the Bills do.

[Johnnycage46]

Mahomes gets the benefit of the doubt (which he has earned) because he has been absolutely stellar since he stepped in as a full time starter.  His career has been historic thus far into a career.  While the Chiefs slipped mid-season last year, they have superb coaching and a generation QB at the helm...they were always going to figure it out.  Not so sure with this staff and QB.  I think Allen will have a fine/great career but he'll never be anywhere near where Mahomes is.

[RiotAct]

2 minutes ago, Johnnycage46 said:

Mahomes gets the benefit of the doubt (which he has earned) because he has been absolutely stellar since he stepped in as a full time starter.  His career has been historic thus far into a career.  While the Chiefs slipped mid-season last year, they have superb coaching and a generation QB at the helm...they were always going to figure it out.  Not so sure with this staff and QB.  I think Allen will have a fine/great career but he'll never be anywhere near where Mahomes is.

especially not with Neanderthals coaching him.

[Einstein]

5 minutes ago, Johnnycage46 said:

Mahomes gets the benefit of the doubt (which he has earned) because he has been absolutely stellar since he stepped in as a full time starter.  His career has been historic thus far into a career.  While the Chiefs slipped mid-season last year, they have superb coaching and a generation QB at the helm...they were always going to figure it out.  Not so sure with this staff and QB.  I think Allen will have a fine/great career but he'll never be anywhere near where Mahomes is.

 

Allen has beaten Mahomes and that staff 2 of the last 3 times they played.

[MasterStrategist]

1 hour ago, Einstein said:

Before becoming Mahomes again and leading his team to the AFC Championship game.

 

Mahomes had a 5 game stretch in the middle of the season where these were his performances:

0 TD, 1 INT, 1 Fumble
0 TD, 1 INT, 1 Fumble
1 TD, 1 INT
1 TD, 0 INT
0 TD, 1 INT, 1 Fumble

 

The point? Even the great ones can slump. Play poorly. Lose their mojo. Forget how to read the field.

 

I am far more concerned about the coaching, as some of these coaching mistakes have been happening since day 1 of McDermott’s tenure.

 

But Josh will get better. He will overcome. He will become great again. Mahomes slumped and he came back. So will Allen.

 

Go Bills.

It's a fantastic comparison.  Not only the slump/stats, but the primary reason for it...

 

Mahomes  LY in slump: struggled to take the checkdown/forced alot in redzone.

 

Sound familiar?  Difference is Mahomes has Andy Reid, I'm hopeful that Dorsey/Allen can get this figured out.  Not as simple as "take the checkdown" every play, it's a fine lime of being aggressive and being smart/efficient.

[Donuts and Doritos]

1 hour ago, Einstein said:

Before becoming Mahomes again and leading his team to the AFC Championship game.

 

Mahomes had a 5 game stretch in the middle of the season where these were his performances:

0 TD, 1 INT, 1 Fumble
0 TD, 1 INT, 1 Fumble
1 TD, 1 INT
1 TD, 0 INT
0 TD, 1 INT, 1 Fumble

 

The point? Even the great ones can slump. Play poorly. Lose their mojo. Forget how to read the field.

 

I am far more concerned about the coaching, as some of these coaching mistakes have been happening since day 1 of McDermott’s tenure.

 

But Josh will get better. He will overcome. He will become great again. Mahomes slumped and he came back. So will Allen.

 

Go Bills.

 

Except Mahomes collapsed in AFC Championship game. Gave up an 18 pt lead in 2nd half. (See below)

 

"quarterback rating in the first half of Sunday’s game was 149.9. In the second half, it was 34.0 and in overtime was 0.0."

 

"QBR has a zero to 100 rating, and Mahomes got a 98.0 in the first half. In the second half that rating was 1.4."

 

"Fox Sports’ Geoff Schwartz, the former Chiefs’ offensive lineman, wrapped up Sunday’s game well.

 

“This game sums up the Chiefs season,” he wrote. “Could be unstoppable and then look totally mediocre in the same game. Hope they figure out why heading into next season.”

 

Could have written a lot of this about Allen & the Bills. 

 

https://www.kansascity.com/sports/spt-columns-blogs/for-petes-sake/article257883908.html

 

 

Edited November 14, 2022 by Donuts and Doritos

[ChronicAndKnuckles]

1 hour ago, Process said:

I am WAYYYYYYY more worried about Dorsey than I am Josh. 

Dorsey is trash

[Einstein]

7 minutes ago, Donuts and Doritos said:

 

Except Mahomes collapsed in AFC Championship game. Gave up an 18 pt lead in 2nd half. (See below)

 

"quarterback rating in the first half of Sunday’s game was 149.9. In the second half, it was 34.0 and in overtime was 0.0."

 

"QBR has a zero to 100 rating, and Mahomes got a 98.0 in the first half. In the second half that rating was 1.4."

 

"Fox Sports’ Geoff Schwartz, the former Chiefs’ offensive lineman, wrapped up Sunday’s game well.

 

“This game sums up the Chiefs season,” he wrote. “Could be unstoppable and then look totally mediocre in the same game. Hope they figure out why heading into next season.”

 

Could have written a lot of this about Allen & the Bills. 

 

https://www.kansascity.com/sports/spt-columns-blogs/for-petes-sake/article257883908.html

 

 

 

Your “gotcha” is that he didn’t play well in one half of one game, months after his bad streak of play?

[Green Lightning]

Yet another mind numbing ridiculous loss to put in the bumbling Bills - find ways to piss away games - HOF. They simply refused to win. They just do not have the DNA to put teams away. Nobody gets a pass here. They just refused to win at every opportunity. 

 

After the fiasco, I just put my mind at ease and dropped the "best team in the league" and "Super Bowl favorites" narrative. Instead I hope for making improvements to possibly win our division or vie for a wildcard. There's just no excuse for the debacle today.

[CoudyBills]

1 hour ago, stevestojan said:

I don’t know? Like 3? 

Mahomes, Rodgers, Brady, Tua, Burrow 

[Airseven]

Mahomes is so much more accomplished and proven than Allen, these comparisons are a farce.

 

The comparison only works in head-to-head matchups where their pure skills and athleticism are on display side by side for a moment in time.

[Donuts and Doritos]

1 minute ago, Einstein said:

 

Your “gotcha” is that he didn’t play well in one half of one game, months after his bad streak of play?

 

His bad play ended their season. So if we're looking to Mahomes last year as a Josh comparison, for solace, then yeah it's kind of an important point.

[UKBillFan]

Just now, CoudyBills said:

Mahomes, Rodgers, Brady, Tua, Burrow 

Mahomes and Brady, yes. Rodgers if he can be bothered. Tua is being elevated by Hill and Waddle. Give them to Josh and see what happens, even if we give Diggs to Miami alongside Davis in return. Burrow is very much like Josh - superb one series then messes the bed. Neither of them have much in way of an O Line.

[Maine-iac]

1 hour ago, Einstein said:

Before becoming Mahomes again and leading his team to the AFC Championship game.

 

Mahomes had a 5 game stretch in the middle of the season where these were his performances:

0 TD, 1 INT, 1 Fumble
0 TD, 1 INT, 1 Fumble
1 TD, 1 INT
1 TD, 0 INT
0 TD, 1 INT, 1 Fumble

 

The point? Even the great ones can slump. Play poorly. Lose their mojo. Forget how to read the field.

 

I am far more concerned about the coaching, as some of these coaching mistakes have been happening since day 1 of McDermott’s tenure.

 

But Josh will get better. He will overcome. He will become great again. Mahomes slumped and he came back. So will Allen.

 

Go Bills.

You are right.  That said when Josh gets back to normal I'll stop complaining about him throwing interruptions. 

[Einstein]

1 minute ago, Donuts and Doritos said:

 

His bad play ended their season. So if we're looking to Mahomes last year as a Josh comparison, for solace, then yeah it's kind of an important point.

 

Except the two aren’t correlat…. eh, nevermind. 

[T master]

I think Josh is just getting tunnel vision & not using all that he has at his disposal many of the weapons he has aren't being used but sparingly & only a few being over used .

 

Diggs comes through most of the time but remember last year i felt that Josh was using other WR's & RB's so much that i thought Diggs may get pissed because they were using him more as a decoy & less as his main target but not this year .

 

The reason why Davis, Beasley, Knox, & Sanders were used more is because Diggs was used for both as a target & a decoy to open there up but this year he is 80% of the teams out put which is good but i feel others should be used more to open up the offense .

 

That could help Josh out of this slump .

Edited November 14, 2022 by T master

[CoudyBills]

4 minutes ago, UKBillFan said:

Mahomes and Brady, yes. Rodgers if he can be bothered. Tua is being elevated by Hill and Waddle. Give them to Josh and see what happens, even if we give Diggs to Miami alongside Davis in return. Burrow is very much like Josh - superb one series then messes the bed. Neither of them have much in way of an O Line.

That's just plain Tua slander.  I'm not a big Tua guy but he is a hell of a lot better than that classification.  You think Josh isn't elevated by Diggs?  That ridiculous catch Diggs makes today is the only reason Josh didn't have 3 interceptions today.  The receivers matter too.

[UKBillFan]

Just now, CoudyBills said:

That's just plain Tua slander.  I'm not a big Tua guy but he is a hell of a lot better than that classification.  You think Josh isn't elevated by Diggs?  That ridiculous catch Diggs makes today is the only reason Josh didn't have 3 interceptions today.  The receivers matter too.

Yes, but I think the Dolphins WR core is why the Dolphins are up there - not the QB. He’s very good but his ceiling is lower than Josh’s. Sadly his floor may be higher, though. In comparison, I think everything with us on offense rides with Josh.

[Brand J]

Allen isn’t on Mahomes level, but I don’t think the gap is gargantuan. After games like today, you do wonder when we’ll get the #17 back who used to hear “MVP!” chants from the home crowd. I feel like Daboll could rein Allen in, I don’t have that same confidence in Dorsey. 

[UKBillFan]

Just now, JayBaller10 said:

Allen isn’t on Mahomes level, but I don’t think the gap is gargantuan. After games like today, you do wonder when we’ll get the #17 back who used to hear “MVP!” chants from the home crowd. I feel like Daboll could rein Allen in, I don’t have that same confidence in Dorsey. 

I’d say Josh at his best is slightly better than Mahomes though there isn’t much in it. Even taking into account the slump Einstein is referring to, Josh’s floor is far lower than Mahomes’ and that’s where the issue lies.

[Mango]

28 minutes ago, Einstein said:

 

Allen has beaten Mahomes and that staff 2 of the last 3 times they played.

THIS ISN’T HOW THIS WORKS.

 

There is no way you don’t know that. 

[Einstein]

Just now, Mango said:

THIS ISN’T HOW THIS WORKS.

 

There is no way you don’t know that. 

 

What is not how what works?

[TheCockSportif]

It's a team issue.  JA17 made some terrible mistakes today, but the team literally willed itself to lose this game.

[Mango]

Just now, Einstein said:

 

What is not how what works?

Buffalo beating KC twice is not a valid argument for Allen being better than Mahomes. Because QB’s are not wrestlers, or runners or CBvWR battles. They don’t actually play against each other. 

[Steptide]

I'm still confident in Allen and the bills. These games just suck. I'd rather we lost by 20 today rather than be up 10 in the 4th quarter, and completely blow it multiple times 

[Einstein]

6 minutes ago, Mango said:

Buffalo beating KC twice is not a valid argument for Allen being better than Mahomes. 

 

This argument (you describe above) never happened. No one was saying Allen is better than Mahomes.

 

You really should read what is written before assuming you know the conversation and replying to it.

 

Here is what actually happened:

 

Poster 1: Chiefs have superb coaching so of course the QB got better after being in a slump

 

Poster 2: Our coaching and players have beaten their superb coaching 2 of the last 3 times so if their staff was able to help him come out of his slump then I have faith ours can too

 

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Edited November 14, 2022 by Einstein