Lieutenant Aldo Raine Posted October 17, 2022 Share Posted October 17, 2022 Have to say it was a welcome sight to get back to at least two QB sneaks in yesterday's game in short yardage and I hope it continues. I liked seeing the motion man be a pushing agent on that play. One yard or less should never be a hinderance to this team. 5 5 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
17islongenough Posted October 17, 2022 Share Posted October 17, 2022 Please keep doing these on 3rd and 1. Not sure why they try and get cute 4 5 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Process Posted October 17, 2022 Share Posted October 17, 2022 If we lost that game I would be sick about the 3rd and half a yard play call for the next two weeks. QB sneak is a 99% play. Don't be stupid. 5 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NickelCity Posted October 17, 2022 Share Posted October 17, 2022 That shotgun handoff to motor on 3rd was inexcusable. Horrible playcall. Grateful the sneaks are back! As mentioned previously, the motion is a great wrinkle. Moves the D too. 2 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Logic Posted October 17, 2022 Share Posted October 17, 2022 Motioning a man behind the QB to push him on sneaks is brilliant. I've been reading "How Football Became Football", about the history and evolution of the sport. In it, I learned that players pushing their teammates from behind to help them gain more yardage used to be a big part of the game of football. Some players even sewed little loops onto their pants for their teammates to grab and help push or pull them forward. We've been seeing more and more of offensive linemen and other teammates pushing ball carriers forward in recent years. Since, at this moment, there's no rule against it, it's very wise to scheme up a guy behind the QB, pushing him forward on sneaks. Expect this to be copied by other teams going forward. 5 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Beck Water Posted October 17, 2022 Share Posted October 17, 2022 17 minutes ago, Lieutenant Aldo Raine said: Have to say it was a welcome sight to get back to at least two QB sneaks in yesterday's game in short yardage and I hope it continues. I liked seeing the motion man be a pushing agent on that play. One yard or less should never be a hinderance to this team. Agree 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rc2catch Posted October 17, 2022 Share Posted October 17, 2022 Go look at Philly.. They showed during the game last night they’re like 16-18 on 3rd and 1 or something doing those sneaks. Same thing they line up quick with receivers stacked in the backfield to push. They quickly no huddle it and know to get in formation almost immediately. It’s almost unstoppable. Cowboys were getting as low as humanly possible and jumping over the top and still weren’t even close to stopping it. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wyobills89 Posted October 17, 2022 Share Posted October 17, 2022 I could of swore that we had a crazy high % of qb sneak for the first. Then last year he got stuffed in the titans game and it was like we got scared to do it anymore. I too am glad we are back to doing it. It's a very high probability play. 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bills2022 Posted October 17, 2022 Share Posted October 17, 2022 The Bills got away from the sneak because of one slip in the Titans game. Make sure Allen has the right shoes and keep sneaking the ball. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nextmanup Posted October 17, 2022 Share Posted October 17, 2022 NEW RULE: on 3rd or 4th and short, don't start the play by first pitching the ball back 6 yards behind the line of scrimmage. NEW RULE: when ball is inside the 5 yard line, ALL PLAYS are JOSH RUNS WITH OPTION TO PASS until the touchdown is scored. NEW RULE: Keep these rules until they consistently don't work anymore 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Big Turk Posted October 17, 2022 Share Posted October 17, 2022 The new added wrinkle to prevent slip ups and give some extra push is Davis using his 225 lbs as basically an extra driver behind Allen was brilliant. Wouldn't be surprised if we see Knox and/or Gilliam in similar roles at some point out of differing formations 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NORWOODS FOOT Posted October 17, 2022 Share Posted October 17, 2022 I love the push by Gabe Davis. So much more power. A great wrinkle. A twist I'd like to see: use an O Linemen in a TE position off of the line, motion him, and have him give Josh the shove. And hell, have Singletary push the O Lineman! Can you image the concentrated force? 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Awwufelloff Posted October 17, 2022 Share Posted October 17, 2022 Have you seen what the Eagles have been doing with 1 yard to go? They have 2 guys behind Hurts pushing him and they have like a 75% success rate. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Utah John Posted October 17, 2022 Share Posted October 17, 2022 4 minutes ago, Awwufelloff said: Have you seen what the Eagles have been doing with 1 yard to go? They have 2 guys behind Hurts pushing him and they have like a 75% success rate. The Eagles have a big strong QB too. Oh wait, so do we. There's no reason we couldn't line up in that smash mouth set too. We would HAVE to be better trying that then the endless 3rd and 1 failures. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
US Egg Posted October 17, 2022 Share Posted October 17, 2022 Welcome Back QB Sneaks….maybe for the Bills. Been watching this one QB for over the last two decades succeeding with ease on such a play. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Billsfan1972 Posted October 17, 2022 Share Posted October 17, 2022 Expect this thread to be lost too in the 45 page post game one.😡 Yesterday's thread was & I don't get it. This deserves a thread and is the simplest play a team can run. Only if a wet slippery field is there an issue (i.e. bad spot and Tennessee 2021). Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
boater Posted October 17, 2022 Share Posted October 17, 2022 Is the QB susceptible to a helmet-to-helmet headshot on a sneak? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Livinginthepast Posted October 17, 2022 Share Posted October 17, 2022 23 minutes ago, boater said: Is the QB susceptible to a helmet-to-helmet headshot on a sneak? Yes but somehow golden boy Brady has avoided this for 20 years and become one of the best ever at them. Josh should do this every time on short yardage 3rd downs. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stevewin Posted October 17, 2022 Share Posted October 17, 2022 (edited) 1 hour ago, Bills2022 said: The Bills got away from the sneak because of one slip in the Titans game. Make sure Allen has the right shoes and keep sneaking the ball. I see people say a lot that Josh slipped on that sneak. The reason the sneak failed was because the DT lined up in exactly the right gap where the Bills had run like their 12 previous sneaks. At the snap the DT just exploded straight ahead into the gap, Dion had no chance to get any leverage on him, and Josh ran straight into the DT like a brick wall - once he hit the wall, then his spikes "slipped". The play did not fail because he slipped - it failed because the Bills got too predictable running the play to the exact same spot each time and the defense knew it and filled that gap perfectly. I have to believe at this point they have more variance on where the play can go based on Josh recognizing where the D is lined up at the snap Edited October 17, 2022 by stevewin 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Success Posted October 17, 2022 Share Posted October 17, 2022 Honestly, I'm not sure why that isn't the 3rd & 1 play every time. Allen got those 1st downs easily. No reason to get cute. When we were playing Brady's Pats, we knew every time that he was going to sneak it, and he got it pretty much every time (I remember one time he fumbled, but otherwise it was successful against us). Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NewEra Posted October 17, 2022 Share Posted October 17, 2022 2 hours ago, Logic said: Motioning a man behind the QB to push him on sneaks is brilliant. I've been reading "How Football Became Football", about the history and evolution of the sport. In it, I learned that players pushing their teammates from behind to help them gain more yardage used to be a big part of the game of football. Some players even sewed little loops onto their pants for their teammates to grab and help push or pull them forward. We've been seeing more and more of offensive linemen and other teammates pushing ball carriers forward in recent years. Since, at this moment, there's no rule against it, it's very wise to scheme up a guy behind the QB, pushing him forward on sneaks. Expect this to be copied by other teams going forward. i gave that move a standing ovation watching it live. in the future it may give away what the play call is....which could lead to a play action td pass if we set it up during the season. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BobbyC81 Posted October 17, 2022 Share Posted October 17, 2022 4 hours ago, Bandito said: Josh needs to keep doing Josh things. His legs are a weapon that we finally are seeing him use again. Yeah, but he can’t be out of control like he was on two plays yesterday. Turning your back to a defender in an attempt to gain another yard is not a good decision. Hurdling over a defender to end up out of control is not a smart move. Fun to watch but not smart. 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bad Things Man Posted October 17, 2022 Share Posted October 17, 2022 Since Gabe started moving forward before the snap, should this have been a penalty? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rusty shackleford Posted October 17, 2022 Share Posted October 17, 2022 I thought it was funny that Romo called out that he’s never seen a motion man used that way on a QB sneak before. That was the 4th down attempt on the last drive. They did the same exact thing on 3rd and short in the second quarter. Romo normally picks up on those types of details. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bookie Man Posted October 18, 2022 Share Posted October 18, 2022 Great play and design to have Davis help push Allen. But next time be careful. He could've been flagged for illegal motion as he started upfield a split second before the snap. But the refs were blind so they had no idea 😅. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ChronicAndKnuckles Posted October 18, 2022 Share Posted October 18, 2022 16 hours ago, Big Turk said: The new added wrinkle to prevent slip ups and give some extra push is Davis using his 225 lbs as basically an extra driver behind Allen was brilliant. Wouldn't be surprised if we see Knox and/or Gilliam in similar roles at some point out of differing formations Davis is 225??? Says he is listed as 210. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ArtVandalay Posted October 18, 2022 Share Posted October 18, 2022 18 hours ago, Lieutenant Aldo Raine said: Have to say it was a welcome sight to get back to at least two QB sneaks in yesterday's game in short yardage and I hope it continues. I liked seeing the motion man be a pushing agent on that play. One yard or less should never be a hinderance to this team. I love it too. But the problem with the motion man is it tips off when the snap is going to happen. They are going to have to mix it up. Maybe put this on film then in a key spot (playoffs?) when you need it motion then hard count to try to get a jump. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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