DrDawkinstein Posted October 4, 2022 Share Posted October 4, 2022 1 hour ago, gonzo1105 said: Okay I'm not against re-signing him but we already invested in Milano. Right now we have a black hole at Safety next year with Poyer possibly in his last season, and Hyde with a neck injury. That position needs to be invested in. The Bills need to upgrade Safety RB Guard/Tackle (whichever you prefer) Have to re-sign Ed Oliver for sure. Could Beane work some magic and make it all fit sure but paying another LB 10+ Million dollars when we need to actually give Allen some protection would be nice. The only nit I'd pick here is setting the list as: Guard/Center Safety RB Our tackles are decent. Morse is good but he isnt balanced enough to help create a run game when we need that short yardage. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DabillsDaBillsDaBills Posted October 4, 2022 Share Posted October 4, 2022 Josh Allen's cap hit is going from 16mm this year to 40mm next year. There are going to be cap casualties. I appreciate that Edmunds has stepped up his game this season (so far) but I just don't see it working out cap wise next year. You can always play cap shenanigans, but I don't think it's wise to do so for him. The only way I can see keeping him if he signs at a large discount and exceptionally cap friendly deal. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LeGOATski Posted October 4, 2022 Share Posted October 4, 2022 They aren't going to be able to replace Edmunds' coverage skills. If he goes, they're going to need to draft another freakish LB high in the first round to play the same role on defense and Bills fans will complain the same about that guy. They drafted Bernard to replace Milano. That's the type of guy you can keep churning through the mill. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BullBuchanan Posted October 4, 2022 Share Posted October 4, 2022 7 minutes ago, LeGOATski said: They aren't going to be able to replace Edmunds' coverage skills. If he goes, they're going to need to draft another freakish LB high in the first round to play the same role on defense and Bills fans will complain the same about that guy. They drafted Bernard to replace Milano. That's the type of guy you can keep churning through the mill. Milano is one of the best linebackers in the league. He'll be here through at least one more 4-5 year deal. Hell, he could probably play Edmunds spot if needed. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LeGOATski Posted October 4, 2022 Share Posted October 4, 2022 1 hour ago, Just Joshin' said: Offer the Milano contract. He takes it or let him try the FA market where he will most likely find a better deal. Then draft his replacement - a LB should be available at 31 (no dolphins pick) since MLB has been devalued to some extent. A LB with Edmunds' traits will not be available at 31. 6'6", 250, with sideline-to-sideline range, are you kidding? That type of guy has not been devalued. Like others have said, look at the contracts Darius Leonard, Fred Warner signed. Devalued my ass. There are arguably 3 LBs in the top 20 prospects for 2023 right now. The Bills would need to trade up 4 minutes ago, BullBuchanan said: Milano is one of the best linebackers in the league. He'll be here through at least one more 4-5 year deal. Hell, he could probably play Edmunds spot if needed. Think about your theory and ask yourself why the Bills haven't simply swapped them. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Aussie Joe Posted October 4, 2022 Share Posted October 4, 2022 I think Beane has left his wallet in the car… 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BullBuchanan Posted October 4, 2022 Share Posted October 4, 2022 (edited) 3 minutes ago, LeGOATski said: Think about your theory and ask yourself why the Bills haven't simply swapped them. umm, because in the current defense there's no need to do that. Edited October 4, 2022 by BullBuchanan Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LeGOATski Posted October 4, 2022 Share Posted October 4, 2022 1 minute ago, BullBuchanan said: umm, because in the current defense there's no need to do that. Why not? Would it be an upgrade or downgrade? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BullBuchanan Posted October 4, 2022 Share Posted October 4, 2022 3 minutes ago, LeGOATski said: Why not? Would it be an upgrade or downgrade? I wouldn't expect it to be either. It should be pretty much the same. They basically play a Tampa 2 defense, so edmunds has one side and milano has the other Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Einstein Posted October 4, 2022 Share Posted October 4, 2022 Edmunds has always been "good". He just hasn't been elite. Or a game changer. And still isn't. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LeGOATski Posted October 4, 2022 Share Posted October 4, 2022 9 minutes ago, BullBuchanan said: I wouldn't expect it to be either. It should be pretty much the same. They basically play a Tampa 2 defense, so edmunds has one side and milano has the other You're suggesting that Milano and Edmunds cover the same zone? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MarlinTheMagician Posted October 4, 2022 Author Share Posted October 4, 2022 The Edmunds vs. Oliver debate is a false one. We will sign them both - you heard it here first. They keep their own. But I believe there is zero doubt we would miss Edmunds more than Oliver, who I also want them to sign. He does so much more in the defense. Edmunds vs. Milano is also a false debate. Perhaps Milano is outperforming his contract, but he signed at a different time under different circumstances and plays a different position. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Einstein Posted October 4, 2022 Share Posted October 4, 2022 19 minutes ago, LeGOATski said: You're suggesting that Milano and Edmunds cover the same zone? He's suggesting that Milano could easily cover Edmunds zone. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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BarleyNY Posted October 4, 2022 Share Posted October 4, 2022 5 hours ago, MarlinTheMagician said: I don't think there has been a Bills player that has been more polarizing on this board, or in the fan base, since 2018. I too have been frustrated with the failures on run fits and the apparent lack of instinct blitzing and against the run. Starting now, I officially swear off on all of that. Having watched him closely this year, I am an unrepentant Edmunds fan. We need to sign him. While he gets plenty of attention from opposing coaches and national media, I think he is somewhat unsung and definitely under-appreciated by The Mafia. He is a huge difference maker and has really upped his game. We need to find the money, as he is a key piece of the core. One of my favorite Twitter posts was by a Rams fan after the opener: "The Bills defense is unfair. They have an actual Terdactyl playing middle linebacker." We owe this player some love. Its easy to say “sign him” but what value do you put on him in terms of contract? That’s the real issue. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gugny Posted October 4, 2022 Share Posted October 4, 2022 5 minutes ago, Einstein said: Is this supposed to be a compliment for Edmunds? 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Patrick Duffy Posted October 4, 2022 Share Posted October 4, 2022 1 minute ago, Gugny said: Is this supposed to be a compliment for Edmunds? Seems that way.....that's how I read it anyways... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gugny Posted October 4, 2022 Share Posted October 4, 2022 Just now, Sheneneh Jenkins said: Seems that way.....that's how I read it anyways... That's hilarious. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Einstein Posted October 4, 2022 Share Posted October 4, 2022 4 minutes ago, Gugny said: Is this supposed to be a compliment for Edmunds? It's both. He falls for the play action but he also has the physical gifts to make up for it. The story of his career, really. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Patrick Duffy Posted October 4, 2022 Share Posted October 4, 2022 Just now, Gugny said: That's hilarious. What is..? Maybe it's floating over my head, but I'm not seeing it. Was it about his speed? Or biting on the P/A? Physical abilities? What's hilarious about it? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gugny Posted October 4, 2022 Share Posted October 4, 2022 4 minutes ago, Einstein said: It's both. He falls for the play action but he also has the physical gifts to make up for it. The story of his career, really. Just now, Sheneneh Jenkins said: What is..? Maybe it's floating over my head, but I'm not seeing it. Was it about his speed? Or biting on the P/A? Physical abilities? What's hilarious about it? Einstein did well in summing up what I found funny. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Patrick Duffy Posted October 4, 2022 Share Posted October 4, 2022 4 minutes ago, Einstein said: It's both. He falls for the play action but he also has the physical gifts to make up for it. The story of his career, really. To be fair, many LBs fall for P/A(fakes etc) from Lamar due to he's so dangerous and fast with solid RBs. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Patrick Duffy Posted October 4, 2022 Share Posted October 4, 2022 4 minutes ago, Gugny said: Einstein did well in summing up what I found funny. Okay, I don't know but I had a bit of booger sugar last night and haven't had much sleep, so maybe that has something to do for not getting it.... anyways, I've always been in the group disappointed in him. However that said, I still acknowledge how well he has been playing thus far, even though it's just a small sample size. I am still happy to see it 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BullBuchanan Posted October 4, 2022 Share Posted October 4, 2022 1 hour ago, LeGOATski said: You're suggesting that Milano and Edmunds cover the same zone? What do you think? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RunTheBall Posted October 4, 2022 Share Posted October 4, 2022 I’ve been saying this for years - McBean LOVE them some Edmunds. He’s not going anywhere. Neither is Oliver. Both those guys will be extended. Why? Because the salary cap is a myth and we are in the SuperBowl window. There are always maneuvers that can be made if you want a guy bad enough, and if you don’t wan’t him that bad you get to use the salary cap as an excuse. Yeah some guys are gone, like Poyer and Hyde. Singletary will be gone unless he goes very team friendly. Moss should just be cut I’ve seen enough of him. Davis may not get a second contract here if he continues to be unavailable at full strength ( I have no idea why he’s been o the field last 2 weeks). 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BrainwashedBillsFan Posted October 4, 2022 Share Posted October 4, 2022 6 hours ago, Freddie's Dead said: But he's slow, lacks instincts, can't shed blocks. Or so I've heard. His football instincts on rushing plays is not very good in my opinion, we all know the guy can cover and is insanely rangee Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ed_Formerly_of_Roch Posted October 4, 2022 Share Posted October 4, 2022 6 hours ago, MarlinTheMagician said: I don't think there has been a Bills player that has been more polarizing on this board, or in the fan base, since 2018. I too have been frustrated with the failures on run fits and the apparent lack of instinct blitzing and against the run. Starting now, I officially swear off on all of that. Having watched him closely this year, I am an unrepentant Edmunds fan. We need to sign him. While he gets plenty of attention from opposing coaches and national media, I think he is somewhat unsung and definitely under-appreciated by The Mafia. He is a huge difference maker and has really upped his game. We need to find the money, as he is a key piece of the core. One of my favorite Twitter posts was by a Rams fan after the opener: "The Bills defense is unfair. They have an actual Terdactyl playing middle linebacker." We owe this player some love. How long did it take you to come up with that tittle? Did Johnnie Cochran help you? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nextmanup Posted October 4, 2022 Share Posted October 4, 2022 This reminds me of the HUGE portion of this fanbase that tried to convince me Tyrod was worth a ***** as a QB. Before that, it was EJ. He was even worse. I remember the comeback game against Carolina---EJ was declared "the next franchise QB of the Bills" and most here hopped right on that train. LMFAO Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
teef Posted October 4, 2022 Share Posted October 4, 2022 5 minutes ago, Nextmanup said: This reminds me of the HUGE portion of this fanbase that tried to convince me Tyrod was worth a ***** as a QB. Before that, it was EJ. He was even worse. I remember the comeback game against Carolina---EJ was declared "the next franchise QB of the Bills" and most here hopped right on that train. LMFAO didn't you make the comment that the head coach of our team has no say on the 4th down calls? people make crazy comment all the time. you're not above it. you also told us that allen would never be good, and people were just saying so out of emotion. LMFAO!!!!! 2 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BADOLBILZ Posted October 4, 2022 Share Posted October 4, 2022 47 minutes ago, RunTheBall said: I’ve been saying this for years - McBean LOVE them some Edmunds. He’s not going anywhere. Why hasn't he been extended then? That $13M cap hit is an anchor and they've had two years to make a deal to avoid this situation. 4 minutes ago, teef said: didn't you make the comment that the head coach of our team has no say on the 4th down calls? people make crazy comment all the time. you're not above it. you also told us that allen would never be good, and people were just saying so out of emotion. LMFAO!!!!! 2 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LeGOATski Posted October 4, 2022 Share Posted October 4, 2022 1 hour ago, BullBuchanan said: What do you think? They don't and they can't Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RunTheBall Posted October 4, 2022 Share Posted October 4, 2022 2 hours ago, BADOLBILZ said: Why hasn't he been extended then? That $13M cap hit is an anchor and they've had two years to make a deal to avoid this situation. Because they wanted to see if he was going to continue to improve with another year of maturity and a competent D line in front of him. He’s balling out now, they’ve got their answer. Yeah its going to cost them more than it would of but they weren’t sure 2 years ago. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BADOLBILZ Posted October 4, 2022 Share Posted October 4, 2022 7 minutes ago, RunTheBall said: Because they wanted to see if he was going to continue to improve with another year of maturity and a competent D line in front of him. He’s balling out now, they’ve got their answer. Yeah its going to cost them more than it would of but they weren’t sure 2 years ago. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LABILLBACKER Posted October 4, 2022 Share Posted October 4, 2022 3 hours ago, Sheneneh Jenkins said: Okay, I don't know but I had a bit of booger sugar last night and haven't had much sleep, so maybe that has something to do for not getting it.... anyways, I've always been in the group disappointed in him. However that said, I still acknowledge how well he has been playing thus far, even though it's just a small sample size. I am still happy to see it A contract year will usually do that. We can't afford the 14M he'll want. And we absolutely must sign Oliver, Poyer and Gabe. There's going to be a casualty. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr. WEO Posted October 4, 2022 Share Posted October 4, 2022 "you can't teach size" this is what the Edmunds-propping argument has finally devolved to. ell oh ell Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Patrick Duffy Posted October 5, 2022 Share Posted October 5, 2022 (edited) 39 minutes ago, LABILLBACKER said: A contract year will usually do that. We can't afford the 14M he'll want. And we absolutely must sign Oliver, Poyer and Gabe. There's going to be a casualty. You say it's the contract year, which means you don't think the addition of Miller and improved Dline all around could be the reason? I find it hard to believe it's just due to "a contract year does that". I think it's has more to do with the much needed Dline improvement and the much needed pass rush we been desperately needing and finally have both of those areas. To me that likely has much to do with it. As for what Bills can afford or what he'll want....we don't know either one of those answers Edited October 5, 2022 by Sheneneh Jenkins Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
akcash Posted October 5, 2022 Share Posted October 5, 2022 We get massive hometown discount (for the market) bc Maine wants to win superbowls in buffalo. $14 M's/yr. 4 hours ago, RunTheBall said: I’ve been saying this for years - McBean LOVE them some Edmunds. He’s not going anywhere. Neither is Oliver. Both those guys will be extended. Why? Because the salary cap is a myth and we are in the SuperBowl window. There are always maneuvers that can be made if you want a guy bad enough, and if you don’t wan’t him that bad you get to use the salary cap as an excuse. Yeah some guys are gone, like Poyer and Hyde. Singletary will be gone unless he goes very team friendly. Moss should just be cut I’ve seen enough of him. Davis may not get a second contract here if he continues to be unavailable at full strength ( I have no idea why he’s been o the field last 2 weeks). Spot on great post. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
L Ron Burgundy Posted October 5, 2022 Share Posted October 5, 2022 Assume we keep Tremaine, which I'm for, how are we creating cap space? We definitely need some. I know magic man Beane will move things around. But we can't pay everyone. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ArtVandalay Posted October 5, 2022 Share Posted October 5, 2022 Easily replaceable. Fairly easy to upgrade. Not a leader. No use paying the salary he costs. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
beerme1 Posted October 5, 2022 Share Posted October 5, 2022 12 hours ago, DJB said: Oooh an Edmunds thread, been a while since we had one of those But it has a catchy rhyming title no? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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