Ravens and Lamar do not reach contract agreement

[RocCityRoller]

5 hours ago, wppete said:

Lamar losing a few million the last few weeks. Doesn’t look good passing. 

 

5 hours ago, Limeaid said:

He has been able to make only a few passes to wide receivers.

 

His passing has suffered since his best/ most explosive WR went down in the game vs Buffalo (Rashod Bateman).

Duvernay is a nice compliment but not a number one.

 

Some of the RBs like Dobbins and Hill that Baltimore relies on to get the run game going have missed time too.

Let's put all the data into the conversation.

Edited October 17, 2022 by RocCityRoller

[AlfaBill]

5 minutes ago, RocCityRoller said:

 

 

His passing has suffered since his best/ most explosive WR went down in the game vs Buffalo (Rashod Bateman).

Duvernay is a nice compliment but not a number one.

 

Some of the RBs like Dobbins and Hill that Baltimore relies on to get the run game going have missed time too.

Let's put all the data into the conversation.

Either you’re an elite QB who makes others around him great or you’re not. Josh works with Kumerow. Morris. Rookie Cook. Hobbled Davis. No Knox. No excuses. 
 

Lamar is not elite. He’s a slightly above average Qb who is a dangerous runner. It’s been 5 years and lots of excuse. 

[RocCityRoller]

1 hour ago, AlfaBill said:

Either you’re an elite QB who makes others around him great or you’re not. Josh works with Kumerow. Morris. Rookie Cook. Hobbled Davis. No Knox. No excuses. 
 

Lamar is not elite. He’s a slightly above average Qb who is a dangerous runner. It’s been 5 years and lots of excuse. 

Where did I say he was?

 

Congrats, you won an argument you created in your head.

 

[AlfaBill]

8 hours ago, RocCityRoller said:

Where did I say he was?

 

Congrats, you won an argument you created in your head.

 

You’re a funny guy. This whole conversation is about Lamar and his lack of a super contract (for elite QBs). What conversation are you part of?

 

You must have graduated at the top of your class. Btw that was sarcasm. 

[Jauronimo]

9 hours ago, AlfaBill said:

Politics? Kelly was twice the QB. Not sure what the monkey comment is about. 
Perhaps it’s your bedtime

A lemur is NOT a monkey!!! Lemurs are primates but not all primates are monkeys.  Lemurs have wet noses unlike the common dry faced monkey.  I have no idea what this has to do with the Ravens QB situation but the lemur misinformation spreading on this board is out of control!

 

[wppete]

9 hours ago, RocCityRoller said:

 

 

His passing has suffered since his best/ most explosive WR went down in the game vs Buffalo (Rashod Bateman).

Duvernay is a nice compliment but not a number one.

 

Some of the RBs like Dobbins and Hill that Baltimore relies on to get the run game going have missed time too.

Let's put all the data into the conversation.

[Beast]

14 hours ago, Teddy KGB said:

Ownership smart enough to not overpay him after watching a terrible bills defense lock him up in the playoffs.  
 

A terrible Bills defense?

[Cray51]

Lamar is a great QB.  If Allen and Mahomes are 10/10, Lamar is an 8.5.

[Teddy KGB]

3 minutes ago, Beast said:

A terrible Bills defense?

the one he faced in the playoffs a few years ago.    Yes, they kinda stunk.   

[Albany,n.y.]

9 hours ago, AlfaBill said:

Either you’re an elite QB who makes others around him great or you’re not. Josh works with Kumerow. Morris. Rookie Cook. Hobbled Davis. No Knox. No excuses. 
 

Lamar is not elite. He’s a slightly above average Qb who is a dangerous runner. It’s been 5 years and lots of excuse. 

He's still going to get paid because he is still in the 1st half of starting QBs in the league-that's what slightly above average says & you're right about that.  Look at the salaries some QBs are getting.  The top 3 are not getting the job done. Rodgers is getting money based on last year & beyond, Wilson may be on the decline, but had leverage because of the trade, Murray is getting big money in spite of mediocre production, because just like Lamar Jackson in Baltimore the team really has no alternative but to pay him.  Look at the rest of the guys in the 30-40 million range just below Josh, I wouldn't want to be paying any of those guys big bucks, but that's the current rate for slightly above average & the price is only going up each year.

Here are the salary rankings for the top-20 quarterbacks based on average annual value, per Over The Cap.

1. Aaron Rodgers (Packers): $50.3 million (3-year, $150.8 million contract)
2. Russell Wilson (Broncos): $49 million (5-year, $245 million contract)
3. Kyler Murray (Cardinals): $46.1 million (5-year, $230.5 million contract)
4. Deshaun Watson (Browns): $46 million (5-year $230 million contract)
5. Patrick Mahomes (Chiefs): $45 million (10-year $450 million contract)
6. Josh Allen (Bills): $43 million (6-year $258 million contract)
7. Derek Carr (Raiders): $40.47 million (3-year, $121.4 million contract)
T-8. Dak Prescott (Cowboys): $40 million (4-year, $160 million contract)
T-8. Matt Stafford (Rams): $40 million (4-year $160 million contract)
T-10. Kirk Cousins (Vikings): $35 million (1-year $35 million contract)
11. Jared Goff (Lions): $33.5 million (4-year $134 million contract)
12. Carson Wentz (Commanders): $32 million ($4-year 128 million contract)
13. Matt Ryan (Colts): $30 million (5-year $150 million contract)
14. Ryan Tannehill (Titans): $29.5 million (4-year $118 million contract)
15. Jimmy Garoppolo (49ers): $27.5 million (5-year $137.5 million contract)
16. Tom Brady (Buccaneers): $25 million (1-year contract)
17. Jameis Winston (Saints): $14 million (2-year $28 million contract)
18. Marcus Mariota (Falcons): $9.375 million (2-year $18.75 million contract)
19. Trevor Lawrence (Jaguars): $9.19 million (4-year $36.79 million contract)
20. Joe Burrow (Bengals): $9.04 million (4-year $36.19 million contract)

https://www.nbcsports.com/chicago/bears/nfl-highest-paid-quarterbacks-2022-aaron-rodgers-kyler-murray

 

[Teddy KGB]

13 minutes ago, Albany,n.y. said:

He's still going to get paid because he is still in the 1st half of starting QBs in the league-that's what slightly above average says & you're right about that.  Look at the salaries some QBs are getting.  The top 3 are not getting the job done. Rodgers is getting money based on last year & beyond, Wilson may be on the decline, but had leverage because of the trade, Murray is getting big money in spite of mediocre production, because just like Lamar Jackson in Baltimore the team really has no alternative but to pay him.  Look at the rest of the guys in the 30-40 million range just below Josh, I wouldn't want to be paying any of those guys big bucks, but that's the current rate for slightly above average & the price is only going up each year.

Here are the salary rankings for the top-20 quarterbacks based on average annual value, per Over The Cap.

1. Aaron Rodgers (Packers): $50.3 million (3-year, $150.8 million contract)
2. Russell Wilson (Broncos): $49 million (5-year, $245 million contract)
3. Kyler Murray (Cardinals): $46.1 million (5-year, $230.5 million contract)
4. Deshaun Watson (Browns): $46 million (5-year $230 million contract)
5. Patrick Mahomes (Chiefs): $45 million (10-year $450 million contract)
6. Josh Allen (Bills): $43 million (6-year $258 million contract)
7. Derek Carr (Raiders): $40.47 million (3-year, $121.4 million contract)
T-8. Dak Prescott (Cowboys): $40 million (4-year, $160 million contract)
T-8. Matt Stafford (Rams): $40 million (4-year $160 million contract)
T-10. Kirk Cousins (Vikings): $35 million (1-year $35 million contract)
11. Jared Goff (Lions): $33.5 million (4-year $134 million contract)
12. Carson Wentz (Commanders): $32 million ($4-year 128 million contract)
13. Matt Ryan (Colts): $30 million (5-year $150 million contract)
14. Ryan Tannehill (Titans): $29.5 million (4-year $118 million contract)
15. Jimmy Garoppolo (49ers): $27.5 million (5-year $137.5 million contract)
16. Tom Brady (Buccaneers): $25 million (1-year contract)
17. Jameis Winston (Saints): $14 million (2-year $28 million contract)
18. Marcus Mariota (Falcons): $9.375 million (2-year $18.75 million contract)
19. Trevor Lawrence (Jaguars): $9.19 million (4-year $36.79 million contract)
20. Joe Burrow (Bengals): $9.04 million (4-year $36.19 million contract)

https://www.nbcsports.com/chicago/bears/nfl-highest-paid-quarterbacks-2022-aaron-rodgers-kyler-murray

 

More INT’s than TD’s in the postseason. 
 

Spend that money elsewhere.  
 

 

[BritBill]

34 minutes ago, Albany,n.y. said:

He's still going to get paid because he is still in the 1st half of starting QBs in the league-that's what slightly above average says & you're right about that.  Look at the salaries some QBs are getting.  The top 3 are not getting the job done. Rodgers is getting money based on last year & beyond, Wilson may be on the decline, but had leverage because of the trade, Murray is getting big money in spite of mediocre production, because just like Lamar Jackson in Baltimore the team really has no alternative but to pay him.  Look at the rest of the guys in the 30-40 million range just below Josh, I wouldn't want to be paying any of those guys big bucks, but that's the current rate for slightly above average & the price is only going up each year.

Here are the salary rankings for the top-20 quarterbacks based on average annual value, per Over The Cap.

1. Aaron Rodgers (Packers): $50.3 million (3-year, $150.8 million contract)
2. Russell Wilson (Broncos): $49 million (5-year, $245 million contract)
3. Kyler Murray (Cardinals): $46.1 million (5-year, $230.5 million contract)
4. Deshaun Watson (Browns): $46 million (5-year $230 million contract)
5. Patrick Mahomes (Chiefs): $45 million (10-year $450 million contract)
6. Josh Allen (Bills): $43 million (6-year $258 million contract)
7. Derek Carr (Raiders): $40.47 million (3-year, $121.4 million contract)
T-8. Dak Prescott (Cowboys): $40 million (4-year, $160 million contract)
T-8. Matt Stafford (Rams): $40 million (4-year $160 million contract)
T-10. Kirk Cousins (Vikings): $35 million (1-year $35 million contract)
11. Jared Goff (Lions): $33.5 million (4-year $134 million contract)
12. Carson Wentz (Commanders): $32 million ($4-year 128 million contract)
13. Matt Ryan (Colts): $30 million (5-year $150 million contract)
14. Ryan Tannehill (Titans): $29.5 million (4-year $118 million contract)
15. Jimmy Garoppolo (49ers): $27.5 million (5-year $137.5 million contract)
16. Tom Brady (Buccaneers): $25 million (1-year contract)
17. Jameis Winston (Saints): $14 million (2-year $28 million contract)
18. Marcus Mariota (Falcons): $9.375 million (2-year $18.75 million contract)
19. Trevor Lawrence (Jaguars): $9.19 million (4-year $36.79 million contract)
20. Joe Burrow (Bengals): $9.04 million (4-year $36.19 million contract)

https://www.nbcsports.com/chicago/bears/nfl-highest-paid-quarterbacks-2022-aaron-rodgers-kyler-murray

 

 

Cardinals paying Murray $3.1m a year more than what Bills are Allen. 

[Generic_Bills_Fan]

I’d say he’s losing the bet on himself as of this moment 

[wjag]

1 minute ago, Generic_Bills_Fan said:

I’d say he’s losing the bet on himself as of this moment 

 

He's lost two late games for them on risky throws.  It certainly is a Baltimore conundrum to pay or not to pay.

[f0neguy]

Hypothetically,  if Baltimore decides to move on from Lamar, what might the return be?  And who could possibly pay it?

[RoyBatty is alive]

41 minutes ago, Albany,n.y. said:

He's still going to get paid because he is still in the 1st half of starting QBs in the league-that's what slightly above average says & you're right about that.  Look at the salaries some QBs are getting.  The top 3 are not getting the job done. Rodgers is getting money based on last year & beyond, Wilson may be on the decline, but had leverage because of the trade, Murray is getting big money in spite of mediocre production, because just like Lamar Jackson in Baltimore the team really has no alternative but to pay him.  Look at the rest of the guys in the 30-40 million range just below Josh, I wouldn't want to be paying any of those guys big bucks, but that's the current rate for slightly above average & the price is only going up each year.

Here are the salary rankings for the top-20 quarterbacks based on average annual value, per Over The Cap.

1. Aaron Rodgers (Packers): $50.3 million (3-year, $150.8 million contract)
2. Russell Wilson (Broncos): $49 million (5-year, $245 million contract)
3. Kyler Murray (Cardinals): $46.1 million (5-year, $230.5 million contract)
4. Deshaun Watson (Browns): $46 million (5-year $230 million contract)
5. Patrick Mahomes (Chiefs): $45 million (10-year $450 million contract)
6. Josh Allen (Bills): $43 million (6-year $258 million contract)
7. Derek Carr (Raiders): $40.47 million (3-year, $121.4 million contract)
T-8. Dak Prescott (Cowboys): $40 million (4-year, $160 million contract)
T-8. Matt Stafford (Rams): $40 million (4-year $160 million contract)
T-10. Kirk Cousins (Vikings): $35 million (1-year $35 million contract)
11. Jared Goff (Lions): $33.5 million (4-year $134 million contract)
12. Carson Wentz (Commanders): $32 million ($4-year 128 million contract)
13. Matt Ryan (Colts): $30 million (5-year $150 million contract)
14. Ryan Tannehill (Titans): $29.5 million (4-year $118 million contract)
15. Jimmy Garoppolo (49ers): $27.5 million (5-year $137.5 million contract)
16. Tom Brady (Buccaneers): $25 million (1-year contract)
17. Jameis Winston (Saints): $14 million (2-year $28 million contract)
18. Marcus Mariota (Falcons): $9.375 million (2-year $18.75 million contract)
19. Trevor Lawrence (Jaguars): $9.19 million (4-year $36.79 million contract)
20. Joe Burrow (Bengals): $9.04 million (4-year $36.19 million contract)

https://www.nbcsports.com/chicago/bears/nfl-highest-paid-quarterbacks-2022-aaron-rodgers-kyler-murray

 

Interesting.

 

Of the top 7 contracts, to me they all look very bad now except Mahomes and Allen.  The rest of the entire list most look ok, the one that looks the best are the rookie contracts for Lawrence and Burrow.  Stafford already paid for himself with a Super Bowl, Prescott and Cousins are ok, the rest are not good imo.

[C.Biscuit97]

2 hours ago, Cray51 said:

Lamar is a great QB.  If Allen and Mahomes are 10/10, Lamar is an 8.5.

I don’t know why everyone loves to trash Lamar. He is a different type of qb for sure but besides Andrews, they are exactly loaded with offensive talent. It blows my mind they have never tried a Diggs type move to get him a true 1. And on top of things, their D sucks this year. 

[Rc2catch]

My nephew is a Panthers fan so we chat this stuff a bunch. 
He posted his top 5 coaching candidates he wanted them to hire and I floated the idea of them hiring Greg Roman and possibly luring Lamar with him for a couple 1st rounders. 
I think they could have great success in the NFC especially that division. 
For as much as he runs he’s been pretty durable. I think we have seen his peak rushing but there has been improvement in his passing ability. He’s had a rough couple weeks since Bateman went down. I would expect even Allen would have some struggles if his only two weapons were Devin Duvernay and mark andrews. Baltimore has done him no favors in that regard. I still hold Lamar in the top 5-10 range of quarterbacks. We’re seeing a lot of guys start to come back to earth who were expected to take that elite step this year. 
He’s not the only guy with question marks who is gonna want that fully guaranteed money coming up. 

[colin]

to me, lemar can do some things no one else can do (allen can do many things no one else can do) but cannot do all things you might want him to do (he's ok in the pocket, awesome when scrambling in the pocket, but not good rolling out when it comes to passing, for example) and in that o at least he's really not made huge strides getting wrs involved. 

 

based on who doesn't have a qb but who might have other talent, i think he's worth liek 40mm a year +/-.  id presume plus because it always seems to be a ratchet upwards.

 

for example, i don't think dabol would do it, but lamar on the gmen w the rest of the team just as it is now is a problem.  the biggest issue to me w lamar is really also a gregg roman issue, his o needs like 3 really good physical RBs, mainly because you know they will go down from time to time.  if you put the old ravens RB Jamal Lewis on Lamar's team, you have an all speed quick/power combo lined up but the RPO can also be a trick or a throw.  it's NFL blitz type stuff in real life.  barclay on a team w lamar could potentially be video games in real life too.

[Captain Hindsight]

2 hours ago, f0neguy said:

Hypothetically,  if Baltimore decides to move on from Lamar, what might the return be?  And who could possibly pay it?

Watson was traded for 3 1sts, a 3rd and a 2 4ths, so Lamar would probably get that as well.

 

He is limited as a passer, but has lots of success in this league