Hodgins must stay

[Beast]

17 minutes ago, HOUSE said:

Wow, you really hold a grudge huh ??? 😳 

I’m just taking his silly comment a bit further.

[YoloinOhio]

May not make it to Daboll

 

[Royale with Cheese]

14 hours ago, HardyBoy said:

 

I don't think it's about being right, the decision was made already. I do personally hope that Hodgins crushes it on another team as well as long as he's not playing against the Bills (if he is not able to get on the Bills practice squad). 

 

I'll definitely continue rooting for him though, I don't think it's wrong to root for players on different teams you like. 

 

My guess is there is a contract aspect to this. Maybe Hodgins feels like they did him dirty last year when they put him on IR during camp, which iirc was not a full season injury and they don't think he'll re-sign.

 

For him it is.

 

I hope he has a good career too.  I don't wish ill will on any former Bills player except anyone that bashes the Bills lol.

 

I don't see it with Hodgins though.  He had a hard time separating against 3rd stringers.  I don't see him getting clean releases on starting caliber corners in the NFL.  

[Straight Hucklebuck]

13 minutes ago, YoloinOhio said:

May not make it to Daboll

 

How is that possible? 

 

For a team in the NFL to keep (4) WRs and be forced to pick through cuts to add a WR or two? 

 

Phillip Dorsett? Guy has bounced around the league as a depth player and he's their #2? 

 

The mismanagement is glaring. 

[Royale with Cheese]

1 minute ago, Straight Hucklebuck said:

How is that possible? 

 

For a team in the NFL to keep (4) WRs and be forced to pick through cuts to add a WR or two? 

 

Phillip Dorsett? Guy has bounced around the league as a depth player and he's their #2? 

 

The mismanagement is glaring. 

 

I saw an NFL meme post last night about Lovie Smith.

 

He went 17-39 at Illinois.  Came back to the NFL to the the Texans Defensive Coordinator and finished 27th and 31st in points allowed.

Now he's he Texans HC.  He failed up!

[Ethan in Cleveland]

12 minutes ago, Straight Hucklebuck said:

How is that possible? 

 

For a team in the NFL to keep (4) WRs and be forced to pick through cuts to add a WR or two? 

 

Phillip Dorsett? Guy has bounced around the league as a depth player and he's their #2? 

 

The mismanagement is glaring. 

Lol...glass houses my friend. Remember the WR group Bills had in 2018?? Worst in the NFL

[Straight Hucklebuck]

18 minutes ago, Royale with Cheese said:

 

I saw an NFL meme post last night about Lovie Smith.

 

He went 17-39 at Illinois.  Came back to the NFL to the the Texans Defensive Coordinator and finished 27th and 31st in points allowed.

Now he's he Texans HC.  He failed up!

Just the philosophy is beyond outdated. 

 

They are going to stand at the podium and say they are honestly trying to win football games in an offensive league, with 4-WRs, running backs you've never heard of, a defensive minded head Coach whose career peaked in 2006. 

 

What are the chances that the coaches Lovie Smith pick to build his staff are going to come up with concepts required to score enough points? 

 

So Lovie Smith gets his 2-years, and then we fire him and bring in the next guy? 

 

 

Edited August 31, 2022 by Straight Hucklebuck

[4merper4mer]

23 minutes ago, Straight Hucklebuck said:

How is that possible? 

 

For a team in the NFL to keep (4) WRs and be forced to pick through cuts to add a WR or two? 

 

Phillip Dorsett? Guy has bounced around the league as a depth player and he's their #2? 

 

The mismanagement is glaring. 

Collins I’d their 2 but your point still holds.

[ganesh]

17 hours ago, MJS said:

He might be back after Stevenson goes to IR.

Stevenson will be replaced by the Punter.

[YoloinOhio]

Hodgins went unclaimed off waivers so may “stay” after all

 

though he might get a chance to play sooner on someone else’s PS

[Buffalo_Stampede]

Just now, YoloinOhio said:

Hodgins went unclaimed off waivers so may “stay” after all

 

though he might get a chance to play sooner on someone else’s PS

He’s better signing here. We’re not deep at WR.

[YoloinOhio]

2 minutes ago, Buffalo_Stampede said:

He’s better signing here. We’re not deep at WR.

Have to disagree there 

[Ed_Formerly_of_Roch]

20 hours ago, Back2Buff said:

I really hope he has a Teller like career with another team.  Team thought Kumerow was better.

 

19 hours ago, Beck Water said:

 

The team did not think Kumerow was a better WR.  They may have thought Kumerow was a better blocker.  They know Kumerow is a better STer.

 

Overall the Bills thought the skill blend Kumerow has, is a better match for their needs at the present as a 6 WR

Just as the Bills thought the backup IOLmen they kept were a better match for their needs when they traded Teller and kept Spencer Long and Bates.

 

 

Exactly!!  Bottom line is if they kept Hodgins over Kumerow, they now created a roster need for ST, who is going to fill that, sounds like not Hodgins this season.  If they kept them both, the 7th WR would be inactive on game days anyway which most often would have been Hodgins due to Kumerow playing ST. So what's he bringing.  IMO they viewed Hodgins and Stevenson equally and with Stevenson's injury they can keep him, but hide him on IR so basically creating an extra roster spot. 

 

Wouldn't be surprised if on Hodgins exit interview, the Bills may have told him you need to work on 1 of 2 things this year if you want to stick in the NFL.  Either become a great WR so you're either a starter or first of the bench for some team, or become a high level ST player as then you'll have a job for years.   Not that likely he'll ever be able to do the first so ST may be his only path to a roster long term but as was mentioned, his size may prevent him from ever exceling there too.

[Buffalo_Stampede]

5 minutes ago, YoloinOhio said:

Have to disagree there 

Why? Maybe NYG. He knows the offense here. He’d be 1 injury away from the active roster.

No NFL team wants him on the active roster. His most logical path to making a roster is Buffalo.

Edited August 31, 2022 by Buffalo_Stampede

[StHustle]

1 hour ago, Buffalo_Stampede said:

Why? Maybe NYG. He knows the offense here. He’d be 1 injury away from the active roster.

No NFL team wants him on the active roster. His most logical path to making a roster is Buffalo.

 

 

He knows NYG offense too

[Buffalo_Stampede]

4 minutes ago, StHustle said:

 

 

He knows NYG offense too

Yes but Giants are actually pretty deep with average WRs, just not set in their top 3. 
 

Hodgins issue is he sucks at covering kicks.

 

NY is a spot I’m sure he’s interested in due to familiarity. 

Edited August 31, 2022 by Buffalo_Stampede

[Charles Romes]

Giants are not about to neglect special teams to sign Hodgjns. Special teams are the easiest way to move up from the league  bottom. 

[Miyagi-Do Karate]

2 hours ago, YoloinOhio said:

Hodgins went unclaimed off waivers so may “stay” after all

 

though he might get a chance to play sooner on someone else’s PS

if I am hodgins, I am outta here. 

[4merper4mer]

8 hours ago, Over 29 years of fanhood said:

How’s a guy on a scout team gonna do that?

Lots of ways to sneak him into the roster.

 

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=x6BP8fexNXw

[Aussie Joe]

10 minutes ago, Miyagi-Do Karate said:

if I am hodgins, I am outta here. 

Agree…Is he ever going to be any better than WR 6 on this team?

 

Thats assuming he gets a chance…

 

I also see Mike Love is back …29 years old..Dude is going to play his whole career on the Bills PS whilst they draft and bring in new DE’s every year..

 

Edited August 31, 2022 by Aussie Joe

[Miyagi-Do Karate]

5 minutes ago, Aussie Joe said:

Agree…Is he ever going to be any better than WR 6 on this team?

 

Thats assuming he gets a chance…

 

I also see Mike Love is back …29 years old..Dude is going to play his whole career on the Bills PS whilst they draft and bring in new DE’s every year..

 

Agree on both. These guys both have some potential. If there is an opportunity to play a bit more, now is the time to take the leap or else you miss your window. Hodgins window for us officially just expired. He will never get off the PS. I actually think both guys could stick on certain active rosters. 

[John from Riverside]

10 minutes ago, Miyagi-Do Karate said:

Agree on both. These guys both have some potential. If there is an opportunity to play a bit more, now is the time to take the leap or else you miss your window. Hodgins window for us officially just expired. He will never get off the PS. I actually think both guys could stick on certain active rosters. 

Things happen during the season which I am not going to openly root for let’s see how it plays out

[YoloinOhio]

Guess who’s back. Back again. Hodgins back. Tell a friend. 

 

[ColoradoBills]

29 minutes ago, Aussie Joe said:

Agree…Is he ever going to be any better than WR 6 on this team?

 

Thats assuming he gets a chance…

 

I also see Mike Love is back …29 years old..Dude is going to play his whole career on the Bills PS whilst they draft and bring in new DE’s every year..

 

 

Could be a 5 next year after Crowder is gone.  Making the cut on a good team is not a bad option for him at this time if he can hang next year.

Kumerow was on the bubble this year and will always be on the bubble.

[Bob in STL]

5 minutes ago, ColoradoBills said:

 

Could be a 5 next year after Crowder is gone.  Making the cut on a good team is not a bad option for him at this time if he can hang next year.

Kumerow was on the bubble this year and will always be on the bubble.

Kumerow gets a lot a crap here but right now he is a better football player than Hodgins is.  Which is why he is on the team. 

3 hours ago, YoloinOhio said:

Hodgins went unclaimed off waivers so may “stay” after all

 

though he might get a chance to play sooner on someone else’s PS

How did that happen?   Didn’t the other 31 teams see him tear up the preseason?  

[Aussie Joe]

39 minutes ago, ColoradoBills said:

 

Could be a 5 next year after Crowder is gone.  Making the cut on a good team is not a bad option for him at this time if he can hang next year.

Kumerow was on the bubble this year and will always be on the bubble.

So they won’t be drafting another WR next year?  
 

Kumerow beat him out again this year..again  .. obviously because of his teams ability… 

 

He should go to a team where his path to getting a decent shot in the actual season is much shorter..

[ColoradoBills]

Just now, Aussie Joe said:

So they won’t be drafting another WR next year?  
 

Kumerow beat him out again this year..again  .. obviously because of his teams ability… 

 

He should go to a team where his path to getting a decent shot in the actual season is much shorter..

 

He disagreed.

[Aussie Joe]

Just now, ColoradoBills said:

 

He disagreed.

He is on his way to becoming the next Mike Love… 5th year on the PS…

 

But if that is what he wants to do then all good..

[Sierra Foothills]

1 hour ago, Aussie Joe said:

I also see Mike Love is back …29 years old..Dude is going to play his whole career on the Bills PS whilst they draft and bring in new DE’s every year..

 

 

Wouldn't that be weird if a guy had a 10 year Practice Squad career with the same team???

 

What would the retirement ceremony be like?

 

38 minutes ago, Bob in STL said:

Kumerow gets a lot a crap here but right now he is a better football player than Hodgins is.  Which is why he is on the team. 

How did that happen?   Didn’t the other 31 teams see him tear up the preseason?  

 

Agreed. Not only as a football player but Kumerow's IMO a better receiver.

 

Both have good size and catch radius but Kumerow is a better athlete who I've actually seen separate from defenders whereas Hodgins is like a poor man's Kenny Golladay.

 

 

[BillsFanForever19]

5 minutes ago, Aussie Joe said:

He is on his way to becoming the next Mike Love… 5th year on the PS…

 

But if that is what he wants to do then all good..

 

Everyone's assuming he had multiple options of Practice Squads. It's quite possible he didn't. Or that the options he had were on much lesser teams or WR cores that were less likely for him to get playing time if someone were to go down.

Edited August 31, 2022 by BillsFanForever19

[YoloinOhio]

7 minutes ago, BillsFanForever19 said:

 

Everyone's assuming he had multiple options of Practice Squads. It's quite possible he didn't. Or that the options he had were on much lesser teams or WR cores that were less likely for him to get playing time if someone were to go down.

There also can be a difference in pay between PS. And signing bonuses. Not sure what Beane is giving him. 

[Sierra Foothills]

2 minutes ago, YoloinOhio said:

 Not sure what Beane is giving him. 

 

 

[John from Riverside]

1 hour ago, Bob in STL said:

Kumerow gets a lot a crap here but right now he is a better football player than Hodgins is.  Which is why he is on the team. 

How did that happen?   Didn’t the other 31 teams see him tear up the preseason?  

Kumerow is a better special teamer than Hodgins is and it’s not close

 

However

 

Hodgins is the better wide receiver

[Bob in STL]

33 minutes ago, John from Riverside said:

Kumerow is a better special teamer than Hodgins is and it’s not close

 

However

 

Hodgins is the better wide receiver

Your last statement is not proven. 

 

Certainly not according to Aaron Rogers and Coach McD.  

 

But I am pulling for the kid.  He needs to make WR#5, not 6, because he doesn't contribute on ST.  

 

Edited August 31, 2022 by Bob in STL

[Over 29 years of fanhood]

2 hours ago, YoloinOhio said:

Guess who’s back. Back again. Hodgins back. Tell a friend. 

 

He seems like a perfect ps guy. If one of the starting WR gets dinged up he could come in a pinch and play wr2 outside. 

[ColoradoBills]

10 minutes ago, Bob in STL said:

Your last statement is not proven. 

 

Certainly not according to Aaron Rogers and Coach McD.  

 

But I am pulling for the kid.  He needs to make WR#5, not 6, because he doesn't contribute on ST.  

 

 

Kumerow was a FA.  He could have signed anywhere.  He signed in Buffalo for vet minimum.  I mean, just saying.

He is also on the Veterans Cap Benefit Rule which is to help vets get signed to 1-year contracts.

Teams pay his full salary, but the team get a cap hit discount to entice them to sign borderline vets.  

[Punching Bag]

On 8/30/2022 at 5:03 PM, Alphadawg7 said:

So you would rather be right than see your team make the best decision.  Got it.  
 

There is also the fact that neither Hodgins or Kumerow were competing to make this team as a WR, they were competing to make this team as a ST player.

 

He probably is unhappy Josh Rosen was not drafted and Bills picked Josh Allen. 

 

Kumerow had a number of plays last year on offense but he was primarily a blocker or a shield allowing others to make plays.

He appeared on 11% of the snaps on offense.

Edited September 1, 2022 by Limeaid

[Sierra Foothills]

7 minutes ago, ColoradoBills said:

Teams pay his full salary, but the team get a cap hit discount to entice them to sign borderline vets.  

 

Does this mean that he's an undocumented worker?

[Punching Bag]

8 minutes ago, ColoradoBills said:

 

Kumerow was a FA.  He could have signed anywhere.  He signed in Buffalo for vet minimum.  I mean, just saying.

He is also on the Veterans Cap Benefit Rule which is to help vets get signed to 1-year contracts.

Teams pay his full salary, but the team get a cap hit discount to entice them to sign borderline vets.  

 

https://www.buffalorumblings.com/2022/6/20/23174616/90-buffalo-bills-players-in-90-days-wide-receiver-jake-kumerow-gabriel-davis

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Financial situation (per Spotrac): Kumerow initially signed a one-year contract extension on March 10. That contract was worth a total of $1,187,500 overall. However, reports indicate that Kumerow was released on June 16 for salary cap purposes and then re-signed later that day. There’s no official note from the team of this having happened, however, and there is no updated contract to note.

 

[ColoradoBills]

3 minutes ago, Limeaid said:

 

https://www.buffalorumblings.com/2022/6/20/23174616/90-buffalo-bills-players-in-90-days-wide-receiver-jake-kumerow-gabriel-davis

 

 

I remember when that happened.  Now Jake's cap hit is $895,000.