More Stadium Details Emerge

[eball]

5 hours ago, Buffalo716 said:

hence 11-3 all time in the playoffs At the Ralph

The Bills have only lost one playoff game at Rich/Ralph/Highmark. To Jacksonville. 
 

[Doc]

17 minutes ago, eball said:

The Bills have only lost one playoff game at Rich/Ralph/Highmark. To Jacksonville. 
 

And that was on a blown call.  

[Matt_In_NH]

Anyone remember why was the greatest comeback not on local TV?

[nucci]

33 minutes ago, 13 Second Prevent Defense said:

Anyone remember why was the greatest comeback not on local TV?

was not sold out 72 hours before kickoff. Blackout rules in effect back then

Edited July 19, 2022 by nucci

[Doc]

Yeah the Bills/league don't care about resale values since they already got face value from someone.  The only issue is whether enough resales are going to rival fans and making home games away games.

[Max Fischer]

On 7/17/2022 at 12:01 PM, BTB said:

After seeing the PSL survey questions, I am very interested to see how many seats are covered?  Gut feeling is that it is not going to be anywhere near the number that many have speculated/wished for. 
 

I wonder how many of the anti-domers will be changing their tune when they find out they are not protected from the elements?

 

Conversely, how many domer fanatics will change their tune if the coverage is excellent? 

[May Day 10]

Nothing is ground breaking so far...

 

I do like hearing that the seats will be close/high.  Think "The Aud" vs that UFO that is downtown now.  You had high/steep/close seats and a nice overhang.  The new arena grades way back, has little in the way of overhangs, and the result is many bad seats, poor sightlines, and far away from the action.  

 

If you are going to have 60,000 seats, they better all be on top of the action.  

 

[Punching Bag]

1 hour ago, Doc said:

Yeah the Bills/league don't care about resale values since they already got face value from someone.  The only issue is whether enough resales are going to rival fans and making home games away games.

 

There are ticket agencies buying from Bills and selling them as packages to out of area fans who cannot buy season tickets.

This is ironic since ticket agencies are located outside WNY area,

My email is publicly connected to Bills due to being a Bills Backers club President and I get multiple emails a year trying to sell me or me and my group tickets.  Bills Backers clubs used to be able to buy blocks of tickets for games but we cannot for Bills anymore.

[BarleyNY]

On 7/18/2022 at 9:45 AM, Doc said:

 

There are always at least a few fools in any base.

 

 

 

Typically that happens when they're not told what to look for.  In this case, the Bills will be telling them to make sure the wind is reduced/eliminated.

Yup.  Or budgetary choices get made and they’re told to cut that corner. 

[Doc]

22 minutes ago, BarleyNY said:

Yup.  Or budgetary choices get made and they’re told to cut that corner. 

 

Yup.  There are always several factors at play.  Usually though, they don't ask the people who work there.

[LabattBlue]

3 hours ago, Max Fischer said:

 

Conversely, how many domer fanatics will change their tune if the coverage is excellent? 

If more than 50% of the seats are covered, I will be surprised, but it wouldn’t make me change my stance…a dome was the right play IMO. 

[Buffalo716]

7 hours ago, eball said:

The Bills have only lost one playoff game at Rich/Ralph/Highmark. To Jacksonville. 
 

Yea 12-1 I was confused 

[LeGOATski]

2 hours ago, BTB said:

If more than 50% of the seats are covered, I will be surprised, but it wouldn’t make me change my stance…a dome was the right play IMO. 

It's never the right play in the northern latitudes.

 

Hot climates need domes, not cold ones.

[LabattBlue]

7 minutes ago, LeGOATski said:

It's never the right play in the northern latitudes.

 

Hot climates need domes, not cold ones.

Yeah…what a bunch of idiots in Minnesota, Detroit, Indy, Tampa, Jacksonville & Miami. 

Edited July 19, 2022 by BTB

[TheFunPolice]

NFL wants a TV spectacle, and swirling snowflakes and 60,000 crazy fans braving the freezing cold in a college-like atmosphere is such a better product than watching a poorly lit game in a giant airplane hangar played on the green outdoor rug you buy at Lowes.

 

With most of the NFL domes it's like someone said "what can we do to suck the life, soul, and passion out of this game, and make it as horrible to watch on TV as possible?"

 

Now yes, there are the cool domes like LA and Minnesota, which apparently cost a trillion gazillion dollars now, since a fairly standard, low frills outdoor stadium in WNY of all places is over a billion, so they are out of the discussion. 

 

Plus "Buffalo weather" is mostly reputation. It could just as easily be 41 degrees and cloudy in WNY in early January, especially lately. 

Edited July 19, 2022 by TheFunPolice

[ExiledInIllinois]

8 hours ago, 13 Second Prevent Defense said:

Anyone remember why was the greatest comeback not on local TV?

JAX playoff game was blacked out too...

[TheFunPolice]

8 hours ago, 13 Second Prevent Defense said:

Anyone remember why was the greatest comeback not on local TV?

 

80,000 seat capacity back then. 75,141 attended, which would be among the biggest crowds in the NFL today. 

 

"failed to sell out" while true is also misleading. People act like there were 40,000 people there because of the weather. 

Edited July 19, 2022 by TheFunPolice

[ExiledInIllinois]

2 minutes ago, TheFunPolice said:

 

80,000 seat capacity back then. 75,141 attended, which would be among the biggest crowds in the NFL today. 

 

"failed to sell out" while true is also misleading. People act like there were 40,000 people there because of the weather. 

Yeah... Steady corporate presence wasn't as big... Even worse in WNY.  Somebody would usually buy up the last bunch. 

 

Burden was getting individual butts in seats... 

 

NFL is a big corporate whorehouse now. 

[Punching Bag]

2 hours ago, LeGOATski said:

It's never the right play in the northern latitudes.

 

Hot climates need domes, not cold ones.

 

Hot climates are perfect for cooking fans in domes.

 

Even GOAT Cheater Teflon™ Tom thinks so.

https://nesn.com/2021/12/tom-brady-reveals-how-he-really-felt-down-28-3-in-super-bowl-li/

Quote

“Yeah, we were down 21-3 at half, but yeah, we had an advantage because we ran a lot of plays and we felt like they were going to be pretty gassed,” Brady said. “It’s a long game from the beginning of warmup, it’s a long first half, then there’s a long halftime. It’s a long day. Indoors, in a dome, you’re going to overheat. Let’s go make something. Let’s go make it happen.”

 

[SoCal Deek]

5 hours ago, BTB said:

If more than 50% of the seats are covered, I will be surprised, but it wouldn’t make me change my stance…a dome was the right play IMO. 

The newest European soccer stadiums have roofs that cover every seat. It’s not that difficult with modern engineering designs. It’s been said many times on here…just Google the new Tottenham Stadium in London. It was designed by the same architectural firm. 

[Augie]

2 hours ago, LeGOATski said:

It's never the right play in the northern latitudes.

 

Hot climates need domes, not cold ones.

 

I’ve been uncomfortably wet/cold at games up north, and absolutely &^%$ing miserable at early season games in Florida. Like, run for shade, you’re the only person left in your row HOT! I ended up watching a game in Jax on the little monitor over the concession stand to get away from the heat! Me…….and everyone else! I’ve turned down FREE early season tix in Tampa. 

 

This is a very valid point.  Cold is not the only enemy. 

[Matt_In_NH]

1 hour ago, TheFunPolice said:

 

80,000 seat capacity back then. 75,141 attended, which would be among the biggest crowds in the NFL today. 

 

"failed to sell out" while true is also misleading. People act like there were 40,000 people there because of the weather. 

 I think you are reading into things a bit

[Punching Bag]

19 minutes ago, Augie said:

 

I’ve been uncomfortably wet/cold at games up north, and absolutely &^%$ing miserable at early season games in Florida. Like, run for shade, you’re the only person left in your row HOT! I ended up watching a game in Jax on the little monitor over the concession stand to get away from the heat! Me…….and everyone else! I’ve turned down FREE early season tix in Tampa. 

 

This is a very valid point.  Cold is not the only enemy. 

 

Shade is not the same thing as a dome.   

 

I do not mind covered top to shield from sun and deflect rain but every dome I have been has been uncomfortable no matter time of year.

I do agree that cold / wet can be very uncomfortable.  I sat thru the Bills-Brown game to the end with a friend and my nephew.

I think Minnesota stadium looks very good alternate but I have not tried it.

 

[LabattBlue]

1 hour ago, SoCal Deek said:

The newest European soccer stadiums have roofs that cover every seat. It’s not that difficult with modern engineering designs. It’s been said many times on here…just Google the new Tottenham Stadium in London. It was designed by the same architectural firm. 

Yet most of the PSL survey questions seemed to indicate most seats would not be covered.  Only time will tell. 

[Mr. WEO]

1 hour ago, SoCal Deek said:

The newest European soccer stadiums have roofs that cover every seat. It’s not that difficult with modern engineering designs. It’s been said many times on here…just Google the new Tottenham Stadium in London. It was designed by the same architectural firm. 

 

Covered meaning the sun doesn't hit you and you can't get rained on?

[WotAGuy]

1 hour ago, Mr. WEO said:

 

Covered meaning the sun doesn't hit you and you can't get rained on?

There’s no sun in London. 

[Mr. WEO]

2 hours ago, WotAGuy said:

There’s no sun in London. 

Come on…

 

https://apnews.com/article/wildfires-france-fires-london-england-b9bc07c1685b76ddf377b65f19fb811b

[cba fan]

5 hours ago, Limeaid said:

 

Shade is not the same thing as a dome.   

 

I do not mind covered top to shield from sun and deflect rain but every dome I have been has been uncomfortable no matter time of year.

I do agree that cold / wet can be very uncomfortable.  I sat thru the Bills-Brown game to the end with a friend and my nephew.

I think Minnesota stadium looks very good alternate but I have not tried it.

 

uncomfortable in a 70-degree dome? Really?

[LeGOATski]

9 hours ago, BTB said:

Yeah…what a bunch of idiots in Minnesota, Detroit, Indy, Tampa, Jacksonville & Miami. 

Agreed

[LeGOATski]

7 hours ago, Limeaid said:

 

Hot climates are perfect for cooking fans in domes.

 

Even GOAT Cheater Teflon™ Tom thinks so.

https://nesn.com/2021/12/tom-brady-reveals-how-he-really-felt-down-28-3-in-super-bowl-li/

 

You should take a minute to really think about that

7 hours ago, Augie said:

 

I’ve been uncomfortably wet/cold at games up north, and absolutely &^%$ing miserable at early season games in Florida. Like, run for shade, you’re the only person left in your row HOT! I ended up watching a game in Jax on the little monitor over the concession stand to get away from the heat! Me…….and everyone else! I’ve turned down FREE early season tix in Tampa. 

 

This is a very valid point.  Cold is not the only enemy. 

People can bundle up in cold. You're never going to freeze to death in a football stadium, but you most certainly can overheat.

[Bubba Gump]

On 7/17/2022 at 12:01 PM, BTB said:

After seeing the PSL survey questions, I am very interested to see how many seats are covered?  Gut feeling is that it is not going to be anywhere near the number that many have speculated/wished for. 
 

I wonder how many of the anti-domers will be changing their tune when they find out they are not protected from the elements?

 

I'll give you the short and sweet answer......None!!  The place sells out regularly now. The PSL is gonna make or break my decision to re-new. Being covered from the elements has nothing to do with my decision. 

[SoCal Deek]

13 hours ago, Mr. WEO said:

 

Covered meaning the sun doesn't hit you and you can't get rained on?

Yes. The stadiums have a solid roof. Because of how they design soccer stadiums with fans sitting just a few feet from the touch line (sideline) the front row seats can get wet with wind driven rain but everyone is dry. Piece of cake! 

[Mr. WEO]

1 hour ago, SoCal Deek said:

Yes. The stadiums have a solid roof. Because of how they design soccer stadiums with fans sitting just a few feet from the touch line (sideline) the front row seats can get wet with wind driven rain but everyone is dry. Piece of cake! 

 

Seems like a lot opportunity for sun roasted fans on a day like today. Also, wouldn't any wind would drench more than he first row it fans?

 

[SoCal Deek]

6 minutes ago, Mr. WEO said:

 

Seems like a lot opportunity for sun roasted fans on a day like today. Also, wouldn't any wind would drench more than he first row it fans?

 

London isn’t all that windy but it does rain a lot. Remember, the European soccer season spans the cooler, wetter, part of the year. They’re less worried about sun. I hope that helps. 

[Mr. WEO]

1 minute ago, SoCal Deek said:

London isn’t all that windy but it does rain a lot. Remember, the European soccer season spans the cooler, wetter, part of the year. They’re less worried about sun. I hope that helps. 

 

Times are changing!

[SoCal Deek]

2 minutes ago, Mr. WEO said:

 

Times are changing!

If you’re making a reference to Climate Change, I’m pretty sure the roof on the new stadium will be way down on the list of priorities. 😉

[RiotAct]

10 hours ago, LeGOATski said:

You should take a minute to really think about that

People can bundle up in cold. You're never going to freeze to death in a football stadium, but you most certainly can overheat.

you could if you get naked at the game!

[LeGOATski]

1 hour ago, RiotAct said:

you could if you get naked at the game!

Even in that case, you still wouldn't. You'd be running from security.

[QCity]

On 7/17/2022 at 12:01 PM, BTB said:

 

I wonder how many of the anti-domers will be changing their tune when they find out they are not protected from the elements?

 

If you're waiting to drink up the schadenfreude of regret from the outdoor crowd, I can tell you right now you are going to be very disappointed. In 5 years the only people crying about the lack of a dome will be the exact same people here today crying about the lack of a dome. Nobody who voted for an open-air stadium is going in with expectations of being completely protected from the elements. Everything I'm reading about the new stadium (aside from PSLs and the increased price) sounds incredible.

[Greg S]

On 7/20/2022 at 1:55 AM, Bubba Gump said:

 

I'll give you the short and sweet answer......None!!  The place sells out regularly now. The PSL is gonna make or break my decision to re-new. Being covered from the elements has nothing to do with my decision. 

 

If the Bills do what the Jets did then you will have options. You can pay it in one shot but most people can't do this. They also gave the option to pay it over 10 years and 15 years. With those options they do charge interest. The Jets also sent the PSL fee out in late Sept/early Oct with it being due Nov 1st. It's separate from when the season ticket bill is due which is in the spring.