Kollmann film room on Khalil Shakir

[Rocky Landing]

3 hours ago, Solomon Grundy said:

Nice breakdown, but I stayed for the cocktail recipe 😎

I personally have every intention of trying out this "Loganberry Whiskey Sour."

But, in the meantime:

 

4 oz. bourbon whiskey

2 oz. lemon juice (lime works-- lemon/lime is even better)

1 oz. 2:1 simple syrup

1 T. orange marmalade 

1 T. egg white (or just throw in an entire egg white)

 

Shake vigorously with ice (you want the egg white to get all frothy), and double strain into a chilled heavy lowball glass. (If you don't have a heavy lowball, drop in a large ice cube, or sphere.) Drink, and enjoy, and don't bother listening to a podcast that would have the audacity to suggest that Isaiah McKenzie isn't a versatile player.

 

 

[unbillievable]

The formations and play quirks he showed in the analysis are already being run by Buffalo with Mckenzie.

 

Maybe, the thinking is that Shakir will run them better, not that it will be a new addition to the offense.

 

 

[Chandler#81]

Isn’t a new player who runs plays better an addition to the offense?

3 hours ago, unbillievable said:

The formations and play quirks he showed in the analysis are already being run by Buffalo with Mckenzie.

 

Maybe, the thinking is that Shakir will run them better, not that it will be a new addition to the offense.

 

 

 

[John from Riverside]

On 5/21/2022 at 7:51 PM, Watkins101 said:

Lost a lot of credibility when he said McKenzie didn’t have special team ability 

No he didn’t the bills pulled McKenzie off the field that is the important thing to remember

17 hours ago, NewEra said:

I think he’s more likely Crowders replacement next year or after he gets hurt this year.  If Davis leaves after 2 more seasons (which is VERY possible considering the contract he might command), I hope that we would have drafted a WR in rd 1 of the 22 or 23 draft.  

Predicting an injury for a player is not good karma era

[Doc]

5 hours ago, Chandler#81 said:

Isn’t a new player who runs plays better an addition to the offense?

 

 

I think he meant the plays won't be new additions.

[Bleeding Bills Blue]

On 5/22/2022 at 1:02 AM, Logic said:

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I think it’s Shakir vs Stevenson vs McKenzie. I don’t see any other viable candidates on the roster. Unless they bring in a veteran or one of the UDFAs steps up, that’s who I see in the return competition.

 

Honestly, I’m surprised they didn’t bring in a more viable returner after the way last season went. Maybe they’re hoping Stevenson steps up. In all of Beane’s discussions of Shakir in interviews, I haven’t actually heard him mention Shakir being a candidate for the returner role.

 

LIkely 2 of those guys stick - my guess is its shakir and mckenzie.  Mckenzie will get more play on offense, but he's there to return in a pinch.  

[NewEra]

6 hours ago, John from Riverside said:

No he didn’t the bills pulled McKenzie off the field that is the important thing to remember

Predicting an injury for a player is not good karma era

You might be right.  I’m wasn’t predicting season ending injury.  Just that he’ll get injured and miss a game+

 

The  way I see it, when a player gets hurt and misses games in 5 straight seasons I don’t think it’s bad karma. It’s just inevitable. It’s a violent sport and some guys bodies aren’t made to hold up to it. 

[gomper]

My favorite YouTube football channel.  He's excellent.

[T master]

On 5/21/2022 at 9:33 PM, Doc said:

Punt and kick returner to start.

 

They are going to have to use him some where on the active roster if for nothing else just to keep him . As we have heard Beane got some nasty calls after the pick saying other teams wanted him if he is for 1 second put on the PS he's a goner 1 of those other teams will swoop in immediately & take him .

 

I bet some teams have just 1 person they have chosen to watch the Bills PS just incase they put this guy there as a inactive player so they can get him .

[Einstein's Dog]

On 5/22/2022 at 11:10 AM, Logic said:

Ive been saying this: the Bills have outstanding slot depth but are shallow on the outside. Shakir CAN play out there, but counting on a 5th round rookie to replace a Diggs or a Davis is asking a lot.

 

SO…

 

Unless they really have faith in Stevenson or Hodgins stepping up, they ought to be looking at bringing in a veteran outside Wr. One with a bit of speed would be nice.

 

I can’t help but wonder if TY Hilton would be willing to take a cheap deal for a shot at a title.

I think if Davis or Diggs get injured they would move Crowder to the outside and put McKenzie in the slot (until Shakir overtakes McK).

 

It does seem a little risky and maybe they are looking at either TY Hilton or W Fuller at a good price.

[blacklabel]

Really is pretty peculiar this dude fell to the 5th with how much praise he gets. His profile reads that he's super versatile and good at just about everything but not quite elite at anything. With all the hype he's gotten since the pick you would've thought he was a second round pick, or a late third rounder at worst. And then the only other knock I really saw about him was some scouts didn't think he always played up to his testing numbers. But there was really nothing in his skill set that'd drive teams away. IMO a lot of less talented receivers were picked before him. Maybe some teams feel like he's already reached his ceiling and there isn't a lot of upside to work with? I dunno. I feel like he's gonna be a pretty good player. I don't expect him to light it up in his first two seasons as the Bills will work him in slowly like they've done with Gabe. But man, how rad for Beane to find two stud WRs in the middle rounds. 

Edited May 23, 2022 by blacklabel

[Captain Hindsight]

On 5/22/2022 at 10:47 AM, NewEra said:

It’s pretty crazy huh?  Considering all the money and effort they put towards ST…. We completely ignore the returner every season.  It’s baffling imo

They had Andre Roberts for like 2 years and his only job was to return kicks 

[Magox]

There is a real possibility that the Bills ended up drafting two players who will be a staple in the Bills passing attack for years to come.   They are both jackknives that can be lined up in a multitude of positions in varying formations.    They both could end up being reliable safety valves that convert lots of third down conversions.

 

I think when it's all said and done, a 2nd and 5th rounder who could end up 2-3 years from now catching over 100 receptions annually would end up looking like a hell of a bargain.

 

The Bills are a little weak with their boundary WR depth, they should look to add another veteran to the mix.

[wppete]

Pretty excited after watching that break down. Should be interesting to see how they move Shakir and James Cook in the backfield and outwide!

[Buffalo716]

4 hours ago, Einstein's Dog said:

I think if Davis or Diggs get injured they would move Crowder to the outside and put McKenzie in the slot (until Shakir overtakes McK).

 

It does seem a little risky and maybe they are looking at either TY Hilton or W Fuller at a good price.

Crowder is 5'9 and his game revolved around short area quickness 

 

He isn't playing outside

[hondo in seattle]

On 5/21/2022 at 10:51 PM, White Linen said:

The interview he did with Howard and Jeremy on GR was impressive.   What a seemingly fantastic young man with an incredibly focused attitude.   I have a feeling we found a real gem in this kid.

 

I hate the play the role of old cynic but...  over the years, we've drafted a lot of young men with excellent characters, attitudes and work ethic in the mid & later rounds.  But without NFL level talent, they didn't pan out.  

 

I really hope Shakir is different.

[John from Riverside]

7 minutes ago, hondo in seattle said:

 

I hate the play the role of old cynic but...  over the years, we've drafted a lot of young men with excellent characters, attitudes and work ethic in the mid & later rounds.  But without NFL level talent, they didn't pan out.  

 

I really hope Shakir is different.

True.....but they didnt have a unicorn throwing to them either

[Punching Bag]

3 hours ago, Magox said:

There is a real possibility that the Bills ended up drafting two players who will be a staple in the Bills passing attack for years to come.   They are both jackknives that can be lined up in a multitude of positions in varying formations.    They both could end up being reliable safety valves that convert lots of third down conversions.

 

I think when it's all said and done, a 2nd and 5th rounder who could end up 2-3 years from now catching over 100 receptions annually would end up looking like a hell of a bargain.

 

The Bills are a little weak with their boundary WR depth, they should look to add another veteran to the mix.

 

That is a good name for our new OC's offense - Jackknife.

 

[NewEra]

5 hours ago, Captain Hindsight said:

They had Andre Roberts for like 2 years and his only job was to return kicks 

Yes….. and since then…..

[Punching Bag]

 

5 hours ago, Captain Hindsight said:

They had Andre Roberts for like 2 years and his only job was to return kicks 

 

17 minutes ago, NewEra said:

Yes….. and since then…..

 

Changes made by Bills like getting rid of stadium name "New Era".

[Doc]

50 minutes ago, Limeaid said:

That is a good name for our new OC's offense - Jackknife.

 

I'd say more Swiss Army.

[Captain Hindsight]

2 hours ago, NewEra said:

Yes….. and since then…..

Its been one year! they drafted Stevenson who got hurt and used McKenzie in his stead

[NewEra]

2 hours ago, Limeaid said:

 

 

 

Changes made by Bills like getting rid of stadium name "New Era".

Cool.  My name has nothing to do with the hat co

[NewEra]

54 minutes ago, Captain Hindsight said:

Its been one year! they drafted Stevenson who got hurt and used McKenzie in his stead

I suppose Stevenson counts.  He was pretty terrible last year.  Maybe they plan on Shakir taking the job for 2022.  We don’t have anyone else.  

 

We had an all pro safety Micah Hyde returning punts when things mattered most. 
Meanwhile we had several guys on the team strictly for special teams.  
 

i just think it’s strange that we haven’t made a better attempt to add a returner that we can trust.  
 

You disagree. Cool Beanes.  
 

 

[BADOLBILZ]

9 hours ago, blacklabel said:

Really is pretty peculiar this dude fell to the 5th with how much praise he gets. 

 

 

 

There is a perception that he has a couple shortcomings that limit him to the slot.

 

 And slot receivers gotta' be pretty explosive to be worth day 2 picks.   Which he ain't.  

 

He's in the Cole Beasley/Jamison Crowder category athletically............Beasley was undrafted and Crowder was a 4th.   5th round seemed about right to me.

[GunnerBill]

3 hours ago, BADOLBILZ said:

 

 

 

There is a perception that he has a couple shortcomings that limit him to the slot.

 

 And slot receivers gotta' be pretty explosive to be worth day 2 picks.   Which he ain't.  

 

He's in the Cole Beasley/Jamison Crowder category athletically............Beasley was undrafted and Crowder was a 4th.   5th round seemed about right to me.

 

I think he is a better athlete than Crowder and Beasley. I don't love his long speed but he is super explosive over the first 10 yards - morseo than those other two. He goes 0-60 very quickly but then doesn't have that extra gear shift. He isn't going to come in with that natural feel for coverage holes that made Cole Beasley such an effective slot but I actually think Crowder isn't a bad comp for him. A slightly more athletic Jamison Crowder.

 

I think the 5th was late for him, surprised he lasted that long but I do see why he did. Teams will always rather take a shot on a guy they think can be an outside deep threat over someone they think can only work inside. 

[nosejob]

I think he can work the 20 yd. outs just fine. I don't think he's limited to a slot WR at all. He may not have the home run speed , but is said to be a very good route runner.

Billswire comps him to Antwan Randle'el.

[GunnerBill]

16 minutes ago, nosejob said:

I think he can work the 20 yd. outs just fine. I don't think he's limited to a slot WR at all. He may not have the home run speed , but is said to be a very good route runner.

Billswire comps him to Antwan Randle'el.

 

We will see. I think he can play some reps outside but as for being a regular outside player, I am sceptical. 

[BADOLBILZ]

6 hours ago, GunnerBill said:

 

I think he is a better athlete than Crowder and Beasley. I don't love his long speed but he is super explosive over the first 10 yards - morseo than those other two. He goes 0-60 very quickly but then doesn't have that extra gear shift. He isn't going to come in with that natural feel for coverage holes that made Cole Beasley such an effective slot but I actually think Crowder isn't a bad comp for him. A slightly more athletic Jamison Crowder.

 

I think the 5th was late for him, surprised he lasted that long but I do see why he did. Teams will always rather take a shot on a guy they think can be an outside deep threat over someone they think can only work inside. 

 

 

Yeah I don't disagree with any of that.    I think we have to admit that the athletic bar has been raised at receiver though since the likes of Beasley and Crowder entered the league.   The league was struggling to find receivers in those years and still those two weren't considered of great draft value.   Shakir being a modestly better athlete(at least using combine numbers) just helps the Bills keep pace in the slot,  rather than necessary elevating them.     Beas and Crowder put up some pretty big numbers.   I expect Shakir to be similar if not better.   But slots get coins.........outside WR get paper.   You gotta' be seen as a real ankle breaker to go in the top 3 rounds as a slot.

[Solomon Grundy]

On 5/23/2022 at 4:58 PM, hondo in seattle said:

I really hope Shakir is different.

Khalil Shakir, not stirred!! Put on a T-shirt 

[BADOLBILZ]

On 5/23/2022 at 6:50 PM, Doc said:

 

I'd say more Swiss Army.

 

 

The legend of Khalil

[Miyagi-Do Karate]

Didn’t realize how big he is. 6 feet tall and 190 pounds. That’s Diggs’s size. Seems like he can easily play outside. 

[Doc]

5 minutes ago, Miyagi-Do Karate said:

Didn’t realize how big he is. 6 feet tall and 190 pounds. That’s Diggs’s size. Seems like he can easily play outside. 

 

Yeah, not sure why he went so late and is considered mostly a slot receiver.  He has good size, speed (4.43), played at a BCS school and seems like a great kid with a good attitude.

[LEBills]

18 minutes ago, Doc said:

 

Yeah, not sure why he went so late and is considered mostly a slot receiver.  He has good size, speed (4.43), played at a BCS school and seems like a great kid with a good attitude.

For Shakir, I think it came down to two things: One, his short arms (29 inches). I think that made a lot of teams feel that he would be slot only for fear he wouldn’t be able to get off press on the outside. And two, with such a deep WR class someone was bound to fall.
 

And I think it is probably true that slot is his best spot so he can get that free release and let him make full use of his initial quickness. However, The fifth round was way too late for him, especially when someone like Jahan Dotson went 132 picks earlier and he had struggles getting off the line vs press too and is smaller than Khalil.

 

Tho it would be great if he turned into Deebo or Diggs, Imo his best pro comp is Robert Woods as he has that same smooth, hunched over running style and can be used in slot, backfield, end around, etc… Which would be great!

[GunnerBill]

19 minutes ago, Doc said:

 

Yeah, not sure why he went so late and is considered mostly a slot receiver.  He has good size, speed (4.43), played at a BCS school and seems like a great kid with a good attitude.

 

Lacks the functional strength and some long speed to play outside consistently in my opinion. He is at his best in tight spaces where that short area quickness and initial burst come into play.

[Doc]

So basically he can't beat press coverage as an outside WR?  And the thinking is that it's not something he can improve, because of his arms?

Edited May 26, 2022 by Doc

[LEBills]

37 minutes ago, Doc said:

So basically he can't beat press coverage as an outside WR?  And the thinking is that it's not something he can improve, because of his arms?

Not so much that he can’t but it’s less likely because he isn’t built like what the prototype outside receiver is due to his lack of length. Scouting is basically just probability.
 

The chance of him winning outside when probably every cornerback he will face is longer than him is less likely. It’s not a 0% chance but if you are looking for an outside WR do you want to take those odds early in the draft? And again, I am pumped about the pick

[GunnerBill]

2 minutes ago, LEBills said:

Not so much that he can’t but it’s less likely because he isn’t built like what the prototype outside receiver is due to his lack of length. Scouting is basically just probability.
 

The chance of him winning outside when probably every cornerback he will face is longer than him is less likely. It’s not a 0% chance but if you are looking for an outside WR do you want to take those odds early in the draft? And again, I am pumped about the pick

 

Agree. There are some things you can do with him outside to help him scheme wise but that is fine just to spell your top guys or maybe fill in for a 1 week injury. But you are not going to be able to pull it off week in and week out without teams cottoning on and then you get back to can he win consitently on the outside when matched up with a DB and the answer to me is unlikely.