Stretch Posted May 4, 2022 Share Posted May 4, 2022 Based the the leaked Cowboys draft board, the Bills did not have to worry about Dallas taking Elam at 24. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sierra Foothills Posted May 4, 2022 Share Posted May 4, 2022 37 minutes ago, Stretch said: Based the the leaked Cowboys draft board, the Bills did not have to worry about Dallas taking Elam at 24. Where did you see this? Might you have a link? 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GolfandBills Posted May 4, 2022 Share Posted May 4, 2022 11 hours ago, ddaryl said: There was a scouting report or 2 that mentions his tackling and playing soft.... Tre isn’t a great tackler either 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Dean Posted May 4, 2022 Share Posted May 4, 2022 11 minutes ago, Sierra Foothills said: Where did you see this? Might you have a link? https://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2022/05/03/jerry-jones-revealed-the-top-of-cowboys-draft-board-with-kayvon-thibodeaux-at-top/ 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Richard Noggin Posted May 4, 2022 Share Posted May 4, 2022 (edited) 30 minutes ago, The Dean said: https://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2022/05/03/jerry-jones-revealed-the-top-of-cowboys-draft-board-with-kayvon-thibodeaux-at-top/ Insecurity/ego is a hell of a drug. Edited May 4, 2022 by Richard Noggin 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
syhuang Posted May 4, 2022 Share Posted May 4, 2022 1 hour ago, The Dean said: https://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2022/05/03/jerry-jones-revealed-the-top-of-cowboys-draft-board-with-kayvon-thibodeaux-at-top/ It's interesting that Tyler Smith is not from Utah and is actually from Tulsa. Maybe the name in that slot was Devin Lloyd originally? Another thing interesting is that if the draft board he showed was indeed the real one, they passed on Cine who was in their tier one and went to Tyler Smith in their tier 2 instead. 3 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Metal Man Posted May 4, 2022 Share Posted May 4, 2022 8 hours ago, Stretch said: Based the the leaked Cowboys draft board, the Bills did not have to worry about Dallas taking Elam at 24. I don't think it was as much Dallas specifically taking Elam as it was who might be on the phone with Dallas and/or Baltimore trying to trade up as well. 3 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Doc Posted May 4, 2022 Share Posted May 4, 2022 (edited) 2 hours ago, Metal Man said: I don't think it was as much Dallas specifically taking Elam as it was who might be on the phone with Dallas and/or Baltimore trying to trade up as well. This. Again Baltimore was obviously shopping their pick to more teams than just Buffalo, and Dallas no doubt would have liked to move down a few spots and still get Smith, which probably explains why they took so long making their pick. Edited May 4, 2022 by Doc 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ddaryl Posted May 4, 2022 Share Posted May 4, 2022 10 hours ago, Stretch said: Based the the leaked Cowboys draft board, the Bills did not have to worry about Dallas taking Elam at 24. Wasn't so much Dallas taking the pick as it was whom Dallas might of traded down with. Every team knew Buffalo wanted a CB and jumping in front of Buffalo was the concern 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BADOLBILZ Posted May 4, 2022 Share Posted May 4, 2022 On 5/3/2022 at 8:46 AM, MrEpsYtown said: Yeah Levi is one of the slowest corners in the NFL. He gets every ounce out of his ability and I appreciate his efforts as an UDFA, but at the end of the day he was a huge liability. But this is liking going from a Yugo to a Lamborghini. Yep. And if they actually become a more multiple defense........capable of going back and forth from heavy zone to a lot of press-man usage based on opponent.........then Elam is a premium position pick. If that defensive plan fails and they end up having to stick with what worked well with Levi...........even if Elam plays fine in zone concepts, and it's hard to say if he will because he didn't do it much at Florida...............then it becomes a question of whether they invested a $20M kinda' personnel chip into a guy at a position they could have filled with a journeyman type. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stretch Posted May 4, 2022 Share Posted May 4, 2022 Wow, quite the response. I realize that it was more the threat of Another team trading up. Guess I should have wrote that. But found it interesting to see Dallas’ board. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John from Riverside Posted May 4, 2022 Share Posted May 4, 2022 15 hours ago, GolfandBills said: Tre isn’t a great tackler either He is a lot better then was advertised..... 15 hours ago, Stretch said: Based the the leaked Cowboys draft board, the Bills did not have to worry about Dallas taking Elam at 24. I dont suppose it might have occurred to you that everybody's draft board is different? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MrEpsYtown Posted May 4, 2022 Share Posted May 4, 2022 The trade is all semantics. Like if they don't trade up maybe they lose Elam. Maybe they trade down, or take someone they don't want as much at 25. Sure they would still have their 4th, but it's a gamble. Let's say they stay put. They draft Elam (maybe), then they take Cook and Bernard. Beane essentially said the trade downs in the 2nd were to recoup picks, ammo. If he doesn't lose that 4th maybe he doesn't trade down. Let's say he never trades down and just takes Cook and then Bernard, he would have taken Shakir in the 4th. So all the trade up really cost him was that 5th, but they probably don't have those extra sixths. Probably take Araiza in the fifth, followed by Benford and Spector. So in reality, the trade up really just cost them a 5-6. That is how I see it in my mind. They had 8 picks and they drafted 7 guys. And rounds 1-4 go the same IF Elam is still there at 25. If he is really their guy, it is too much of risk to lose him even if there is a small chance someone takes him. 4 2 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shaw66 Posted May 4, 2022 Share Posted May 4, 2022 32 minutes ago, MrEpsYtown said: The trade is all semantics. Like if they don't trade up maybe they lose Elam. Maybe they trade down, or take someone they don't want as much at 25. Sure they would still have their 4th, but it's a gamble. Let's say they stay put. They draft Elam (maybe), then they take Cook and Bernard. Beane essentially said the trade downs in the 2nd were to recoup picks, ammo. If he doesn't lose that 4th maybe he doesn't trade down. Let's say he never trades down and just takes Cook and then Bernard, he would have taken Shakir in the 4th. So all the trade up really cost him was that 5th, but they probably don't have those extra sixths. Probably take Araiza in the fifth, followed by Benford and Spector. So in reality, the trade up really just cost them a 5-6. That is how I see it in my mind. They had 8 picks and they drafted 7 guys. And rounds 1-4 go the same IF Elam is still there at 25. If he is really their guy, it is too much of risk to lose him even if there is a small chance someone takes him. That's an excellent take on what happened and what the alternatives were. Thanks. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rico Posted May 4, 2022 Share Posted May 4, 2022 20 hours ago, Stretch said: Based the the leaked Cowboys draft board, the Bills did not have to worry about Dallas taking Elam at 24. I think it's safe to say the Ravens weren't taking another Elam from Florida in the 1st round again either. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Dean Posted May 4, 2022 Share Posted May 4, 2022 7 minutes ago, Rico said: I think it's safe to say the Ravens weren't taking another Elam from Florida in the 1st round again either. But there is no guarantee another team wouldn't have traded down to get him. It only takes one 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rico Posted May 4, 2022 Share Posted May 4, 2022 1 minute ago, The Dean said: But there is no guarantee another team wouldn't have traded down to get him. It only takes one Absolutely, all I'm saying is the Ravens weren't taking him & now it looks like the Cowboys weren't either. I have no problem with the trade-up myself. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Dean Posted May 4, 2022 Share Posted May 4, 2022 8 minutes ago, Rico said: Absolutely, all I'm saying is the Ravens weren't taking him & now it looks like the Cowboys weren't either. I have no problem with the trade-up myself. Since Elam was taken by the Billls we will never know Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Augie Posted May 4, 2022 Share Posted May 4, 2022 9 minutes ago, The Dean said: But there is no guarantee another team wouldn't have traded down to get him. It only takes one Everybody knew we wanted a CB, and there was apparently only one top tier CB left. I have no problem with the trade up given the situation. Might it have been unnecessary? Sure. Did we get the guy they wanted? Absolutely! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bob in STL Posted May 5, 2022 Share Posted May 5, 2022 I think we got a very good player. Love the size and the coverage skill. Love the dedication. Tackling technique can be worked on and improved upon. Anyone keeping a notebook in college is willing to work on his game. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Richard Noggin Posted May 5, 2022 Share Posted May 5, 2022 16 hours ago, Metal Man said: I don't think it was as much Dallas specifically taking Elam as it was who might be on the phone with Dallas and/or Baltimore trying to trade up as well. Mods, we NEED a Doug Marrone "obviously" reaction. Not to mock a poster, but to agree smugly. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Warcodered Posted May 5, 2022 Share Posted May 5, 2022 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mark Vader Posted May 5, 2022 Share Posted May 5, 2022 On 4/28/2022 at 7:52 PM, BillsVet said: Well, they did pass on a chance to take one of 2 QBs who are being paid over 40M per next season. But they weren't ready to take a QB that season. LOL @NewEra @Jamie Nails I told you about this. 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mark Vader Posted May 5, 2022 Share Posted May 5, 2022 On 4/29/2022 at 6:49 AM, DrDawkinstein said: IIRC, they get a box of all 32 hats. On 4/29/2022 at 6:51 AM, Doc said: Seems like a waste of hats. What's strange is that the Bills hat he's wearing is not the official draft hat. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hemma Posted May 5, 2022 Share Posted May 5, 2022 Happy birthday Kair! 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Doc Posted May 5, 2022 Share Posted May 5, 2022 1 hour ago, Mark Vader said: What's strange is that the Bills hat he's wearing is not the official draft hat. He probably got it on the visit to Buffalo. His bro was wearing a knitted Bills cap and I doubt the camera crew brought that with them. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Apocalypse Nuts Posted May 5, 2022 Share Posted May 5, 2022 On 5/4/2022 at 2:20 PM, MrEpsYtown said: The trade is all semantics. Like if they don't trade up maybe they lose Elam. Maybe they trade down, or take someone they don't want as much at 25. Sure they would still have their 4th, but it's a gamble. Let's say they stay put. They draft Elam (maybe), then they take Cook and Bernard. Beane essentially said the trade downs in the 2nd were to recoup picks, ammo. If he doesn't lose that 4th maybe he doesn't trade down. Let's say he never trades down and just takes Cook and then Bernard, he would have taken Shakir in the 4th. So all the trade up really cost him was that 5th, but they probably don't have those extra sixths. Probably take Araiza in the fifth, followed by Benford and Spector. So in reality, the trade up really just cost them a 5-6. That is how I see it in my mind. They had 8 picks and they drafted 7 guys. And rounds 1-4 go the same IF Elam is still there at 25. If he is really their guy, it is too much of risk to lose him even if there is a small chance someone takes him. I think us non-data-nerds can thank you for even extrapolating this far. I’m sure Beane’s head started hurting from all the over thinking and he just pulled the trigger to save on aspirin later on 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
YoloinOhio Posted May 5, 2022 Share Posted May 5, 2022 3 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
YoloinOhio Posted May 6, 2022 Share Posted May 6, 2022 Josh: “Looking forward to going against you in camp! We’re going to test you.”(All good natured as usual) Kaiir: “Good luck.” 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Doc Posted May 6, 2022 Share Posted May 6, 2022 43 minutes ago, YoloinOhio said: Josh: “Looking forward to going against you in camp! We’re going to test you.”(All good natured as usual) Kaiir: “Good luck.” Did this exchange actually happen? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
YoloinOhio Posted May 6, 2022 Share Posted May 6, 2022 3 minutes ago, Doc said: Did this exchange actually happen? Yes Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Doc Posted May 6, 2022 Share Posted May 6, 2022 8 minutes ago, YoloinOhio said: Yes Link? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Warcodered Posted May 6, 2022 Share Posted May 6, 2022 (edited) 10 minutes ago, Doc said: Link? It's in the video from the tweet above, said it towards the end when Josh was inviting him to the Sabres game. Edited May 6, 2022 by Warcodered 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Doc Posted May 6, 2022 Share Posted May 6, 2022 4 minutes ago, Warcodered said: It's in the video from the tweet above, said it towards the end when Josh was inviting him to the Sabres game. I thought that was a video I had seen before and didn't remember that exchange. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
YoloinOhio Posted May 6, 2022 Share Posted May 6, 2022 3 minutes ago, Doc said: I thought that was a video I had seen before and didn't remember that exchange. I just watched it, it’s a pretty long video. I think it just came out today. There had been clips released previously but this was the whole thing. Elam’s first 24 hours. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Doc Posted May 6, 2022 Share Posted May 6, 2022 I love that "good luck." That's the confidence you need as a CB. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BillsVet Posted May 6, 2022 Share Posted May 6, 2022 8 hours ago, Mark Vader said: @NewEra @Jamie Nails I told you about this. I wasn't aware we had a combination Nostradamus and Miss Cleo hiding in our midst. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mark Vader Posted May 6, 2022 Share Posted May 6, 2022 7 minutes ago, BillsVet said: I wasn't aware we had a combination Nostradamus and Miss Cleo hiding in our midst. I prefer.....Carnac, The Magnificent. 1 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hapless Bills Fan Posted May 6, 2022 Share Posted May 6, 2022 On 5/4/2022 at 5:34 PM, The Dean said: But there is no guarantee another team wouldn't have traded down to get him. It only takes one Assume you mean "traded up"? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sierra Foothills Posted May 6, 2022 Share Posted May 6, 2022 25 minutes ago, YoloinOhio said: I just watched it, it’s a pretty long video. I think it just came out today. There had been clips released previously but this was the whole thing. Elam’s first 24 hours. 12:56 to be exact. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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