Let's create TSW Bills draft big board - Final Conclusion: Kaiir Elam was the 5th option in TSW eyes when the Bills were picking.

[No_Matter_What]

EDIT: Since we have already chosen 12 players, I thought it was time to add new. However, since you can have only 20 options in one poll question, I had to completely restart the poll with new question. I also lowered number of required votes to 15.

 

The goal of this thread is to create Bills fans draft big board, i.e. an order (board) from players who could be available for our first round pick. 

 

Rules are simple. As soon as a player gets 15 votes he gets on the big board below and is removed from the poll. People who voted for chosen player can vote again. I will add more players as we will proceed.

 

I didn’t include top 10 players who have close to zero chance to get to our pick – Evan Neal, Ikem Ekwonu, Charles Cross, Aidan Hutchinson, Kayvon Thibodeaux, Travon Walker, Jermaine Johnson, Ahmad Gardner, Derek Stingley and Kyle Hamilton. We might not have a chance on couple more players but this is where I decided to draw a line. I also didn’t include any QBs from obvious reasons.

 

Board - players already selected in our voting:

1. Jameson Williams, WR, Alabama

2. Garrett Wilson, WR, Ohio State 

3. Andrew Booth, CB, Clemson

4. Trent McDuffie, CB, Washington

5. Chris Olave, WR, Ohio State

6. Trevor Penning, OT, Northern Iowa

7. Daxton Hill, S, Michigan

8. Devin Lloyd, LB, Utah

9. Kyler Gordon, CB, Washington

10. Zion Johnson, OG, Boston College

11. Jordan Davis, DL, Georgia

12. Drake London, WR, USC

13. Jahan Dotson, WR, Penn State

14. Treylon Burks, WR, Arkansas

Edited May 11, 2022 by No_Matter_What

[No_Matter_What]

Thanks for all votes so far. I will shamelessly bump this from time to time to see if I can get it going.

[mannc]

Add Christian Watson, please.  The Bills are far more likely to draft him than any RB, IOL or DT in round 1.

Edited April 14, 2022 by mannc

[BillsShredder83]

Can you update the title to reflect what "round" were in? I.e.

Big Board (Selection 2) etc kinda thing? I like this idea

[BillsFanForever19]

3 minutes ago, mannc said:

Add Christian Watson, please.  The Bills are far more likely to draft him than any RB, IOL or DT in round 1.

 

I like Christian Watson. But there is NO WAY you pick him over Garrett Wilson or Jameson Williams. None. I wouldn't take him over Olave either.

[mannc]

1 minute ago, BillsFanForever19 said:

 

I like Christian Watson. But there is NO WAY you pick him over Garrett Wilson or Jameson Williams. None. I wouldn't take him over Olave either.

That's fine.  For this team, I would take Watson over all of those.  The point is, there is zero chance the Bills take a RB or a DT at 25.  I think it's unlikely that they take IOL there as well, but it wouldn't shock me.  

[chris heff]

This pick is going to be interesting. I’m not even sure what it will tell us. They really could just go best player available. I voted for Williams because I think if he is there you can’t pass on him, but I have no idea. I’ve been right in the past, but that’s when we were perpetually drafting in top ten. I’m not so smart now. I’m going to definitively say no QB and no kicker at 25, there I said it.

[newcam2012]

I voted for Booth. He is very good and fills a huge need. I think he can be a day one starter. By playoff time.he.will have much more experience. Just not sure he's there at 25 

[NewEra]

Olave

Williams

Wilson

Booth

[Devilmann]

Considering what we have as of now at the cornerback position I chose McDuffy. I know he won’t make it to 25 but this is a big board. If he gets chosen throw the name in the trash and move on to the next name. 

Edited April 14, 2022 by Devilmann

[OldTimer1960]

28 minutes ago, chris heff said:

This pick is going to be interesting. I’m not even sure what it will tell us. They really could just go best player available. I voted for Williams because I think if he is there you can’t pass on him, but I have no idea. I’ve been right in the past, but that’s when we were perpetually drafting in top ten. I’m not so smart now. I’m going to definitively say no QB and no kicker at 25, there I said it.

For a pure speed guy who produced for only 1 year, I worry that his knee injury could rob him of some of the speed that makes him special.  I might be over worried, but he hasn’t proven that he can win without dominating speed and that is in at least a bit of doubt now.

[TAinLack.]

Roger McCreary - Auburn disserves consideration also.

[No_Matter_What]

13 hours ago, mannc said:

Add Christian Watson, please.  The Bills are far more likely to draft him than any RB, IOL or DT in round 1.

 

11 hours ago, TAinLA said:

Roger McCreary - Auburn disserves consideration also.

 

The idea is to get "complete board" for the first round. As soon as some players are placed on board I will replace them with next. For now I chose 20 players who are in my opinion consensus top 20 available plus added some players/positions which were being discussed here. Watson and Dotson will be added as soon as some WRs are picked. Same for McCreary, he is next in line when CBs goes of the board.

 

As for the bolded, thats one of the resons I started this. I would like to know where is the turning point when we as fans would start drafting gyus like Dean or Davis instead of next tier WRs or CBs who are considered as much bigger needs.

Edited April 15, 2022 by No_Matter_What

[No_Matter_What]

13 hours ago, BillsShredder83 said:

Can you update the title to reflect what "round" were in? I.e.

Big Board (Selection 2) etc kinda thing? I like this idea

 

Ok I will put it in title and will keep it updated.

 

11 hours ago, Devilmann said:

Considering what we have as of now at the cornerback position I chose McDuffy. I know he won’t make it to 25 but this is a big board. If he gets chosen throw the name in the trash and move on to the next name. 

 

Not sure if I understand you but that is the plan. Choose top guy, put him on the board, and vote for the next guy.

[SoTier]

I voted for Zion Johnson, Boston College.  The Bills need a computer nerd on the OL!  

[DrDawkinstein]

Devin Lloyd and Tyler Linderbaum not getting the respect they deserve here. Those are blue chip prospects, with not a lot of depth at their position in this draft.

 

We can get DBs and WRs later. If Linderbaum and/or Lloyd is there at #25, Bills would be nuts to pass on that value.

[SoTier]

1 hour ago, DrDawkinstein said:

Devin Lloyd and Tyler Linderbaum not getting the respect they deserve here. Those are blue chip prospects, with not a lot of depth at their position in this draft.

 

We can get DBs and WRs later. If Linderbaum and/or Lloyd is there at #25, Bills would be nuts to pass on that value.

 

Unfortunately, there's no respect for OLers, including Linderbaum and Johnson, because the draft gurus here don't think IOLers are "valuable" enough to be drafted in the first round.  IOLers are never appreciated until you don't good ones and your QB pays the price.  

[NewEra]

18 minutes ago, SoTier said:

 

Unfortunately, there's no respect for OLers, including Linderbaum and Johnson, because the draft gurus here don't think IOLers are "valuable" enough to be drafted in the first round.  IOLers are never appreciated until you don't good ones and your QB pays the price.  

Fortunately, the people here don’t make the decisions and you can see how much McB values them in a couple weeks!

[Brandon]

As it stands right now,  I think I'd hold my nose and pick one of the CBs.  I think they'd probably like Booth more than McDuffie,  so that's who I'd choose here. 

Edited April 15, 2022 by Brandon

[H2o]

Hard, very hard decision. Outside of the fact I don't believe that some of these guys are on the board when we pick, my order would be as follows:

 

1. Jameson Williams

2. Devin Lloyd

3. Andrew Booth

4. Trevor Penning

5. Jordan Davis

6. Chris Olave

[Motor26]

2 hours ago, DrDawkinstein said:

Devin Lloyd and Tyler Linderbaum not getting the respect they deserve here. Those are blue chip prospects, with not a lot of depth at their position in this draft.

 

We can get DBs and WRs later. If Linderbaum and/or Lloyd is there at #25, Bills would be nuts to pass on that value.

Issue with Linderbaum is he has only played center, and the Bills just reworked Morses contract. He doesn’t have guard flexibility so he would be drafted exclusively as a back up.

[DrDawkinstein]

1 minute ago, Motor26 said:

Issue with Linderbaum is he has only played center, and the Bills just reworked Morses contract. He doesn’t have guard flexibility so he would be drafted exclusively as a back up.

 

They reworked the contract, but can get out of it at anytime pretty cheaply (his dead cap hit is $5M next year). Plus, Morse is on the verge of retirement. And is one slap to the head away from a forced retirement.

 

Get the Center who will be with Josh for the rest of his contract.

[Alphadawg7]

18 hours ago, No_Matter_What said:

I have no idea if people will be willing to participate but I think this could be a fun exercise.

 

The goal should be creating Bills fans draft big board.

 

Rules are simple. As soon as a player gets 20 votes he gets on the big board and is removed from the poll. People who voted for him can vote again. I will add more players as we will proceed (I hope it is technically possible to remove players, add players and re-vote).

 

I didn’t include top 10 players who have close to zero chance to get to our pick – Evan Neal, Ikem Ekwonu, Charles Cross, Aidan Hutchinson, Kayvon Thibodeaux, Travon Walker, Jermaine Johnson, Ahmad Gardner, Derek Stingley and Kyle Hamilton. We might not have a chance on couple more players but this is where I decided to draw a line. I also didn’t include any QBs from obvious reasons.

 

Board:

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5.

 

I find it weird you didn't include Kyle Hamilton, who we have met with along with other safeties too.  There is talk about a Bills interest in moving up as well, while there is also talk Hamilton could slide out of the top 10 too.  Honestly, he has more of a chance to be our pick than several other players on your list.  

 

Not saying he is our target, but right now he seems to at least be somewhere in play compared to a lot of these players the Bills have not even met with nor would have much of a chance of being at the top of Beanes board.

[RyanC883]

This is awesome.  Props to the OP. 
 

For this round I went with Landon, just fills out our WR room with a big, tough WR.  I like some of the OL and CBs as well. 

[No_Matter_What]

Willams and Wilson on the board, Dotson and Watson added to the poll for the next spot.

 

I'll edit/comment more when I come home from the trip with kids.

[RyanC883]

3 hours ago, SoTier said:

I voted for Zion Johnson, Boston College.  The Bills need a computer nerd on the OL!  

I really like him.  I think he’s be a day 1 starter and 10 year player.  Making a big board is hard haha

3 hours ago, DrDawkinstein said:

Devin Lloyd and Tyler Linderbaum not getting the respect they deserve here. Those are blue chip prospects, with not a lot of depth at their position in this draft.

 

We can get DBs and WRs later. If Linderbaum and/or Lloyd is there at #25, Bills would be nuts to pass on that value.

Great point.  I’d still go Landon over either of these two because of a win-now need, and not sure if either will be day 1 contributor.  I could be totally wrong.  I think both are gone by 25.  

[OldTimer1960]

4 hours ago, DrDawkinstein said:

Devin Lloyd and Tyler Linderbaum not getting the respect they deserve here. Those are blue chip prospects, with not a lot of depth at their position in this draft.

 

We can get DBs and WRs later. If Linderbaum and/or Lloyd is there at #25, Bills would be nuts to pass on that value.

Linderbaum is quite undersized.  Love his wrestling background, but for that size I am not sure he is a must-pick first rounder.

 

I get that Loyd is a very good prospect and he might be interesting if no CB or top WR left.

[No_Matter_What]

4 hours ago, DrDawkinstein said:

Devin Lloyd and Tyler Linderbaum not getting the respect they deserve here. Those are blue chip prospects, with not a lot of depth at their position in this draft.

 

We can get DBs and WRs later. If Linderbaum and/or Lloyd is there at #25, Bills would be nuts to pass on that value.

Right now I don't think we can conclude that they don't get enough respect. We only know that people want Garrett Wilson, Jameson Williams and probably Andrew Booth more. It is still very likely that at least Lloyd will be in top 10-12 on this board, which means we (if fans were Beane) take him at 25. We'll see. That was one of the reasons I started this, to see how people here value these prospects relatively to "lesser" prospects on more valuable positions or positions of bigger need.

[DrDawkinstein]

3 minutes ago, No_Matter_What said:

Right now I don't think we can conclude that they don't get enough respect. We only know that people want Garrett Wilson, Jameson Williams and probably Andrew Booth more. It is still very likely that at least Lloyd will be in top 10-12 on this board, which means we (if fans were Beane) take him at 25. We'll see. That was one of the reasons I started this, to see how people here value these prospects relatively to "lesser" prospects on more valuable positions or positions of bigger need.

 

Oh, we're supposed to be re-voting? This is confusing.

[Paul Costa]

I voted for Dax Hill because:

1. He can play CB2

2. He can replace slot or safety injury 

3. Poyer’s wife is crazy. Long term safety 

4. I’d like more dime packages against high level passing teams. Think Cincinnati’s second half D in Championship game this year.

[No_Matter_What]

2 hours ago, H2o said:

Hard, very hard decision. Outside of the fact I don't believe that some of these guys are on the board when we pick, my order would be as follows:

 

1. Jameson Williams

2. Devin Lloyd

3. Andrew Booth

4. Trevor Penning

5. Jordan Davis

6. Chris Olave

 

I know that many of these guys won't be there - It is inevitable, since we are picking at 25 and I only excluded top 10 guys + maybe 2-3 QBs taken before us. But I wanted to see how our board could look like outside of those top players.

 

2 hours ago, Alphadawg7 said:

 

I find it weird you didn't include Kyle Hamilton, who we have met with along with other safeties too.  There is talk about a Bills interest in moving up as well, while there is also talk Hamilton could slide out of the top 10 too.  Honestly, he has more of a chance to be our pick than several other players on your list.  

 

Not saying he is our target, but right now he seems to at least be somewhere in play compared to a lot of these players the Bills have not even met with nor would have much of a chance of being at the top of Beanes board.

 

Yeah I thought about Hamilton. But I didn't want to go through players who are ~100% out of our reach, and I considered Hamilton as one of those players. Yes we might trade up but then also other players (Gardner, Stingley?) might become available and I wanted to avoid them since I don't find it realistic. I didn't see Hamilton outside of top 15 in any mock and that was sort of the line I draw. 

 

As for some players possibly being much lower at our board (included in my list), that was sort of my point - to see how fans see Lloyd, Davis or Linderbaum compared to players who might be percieved as worse overall, but play on position of need.

30 minutes ago, DrDawkinstein said:

 

Oh, we're supposed to be re-voting? This is confusing.

Yes. I tried to explain it in my original post but apparently I failed  That's the whole point. Guy gets 20 votes, he goes on the board, anybody who voted for him can vote again. Point is to put players who could be possible available for our pick 25 in order.

[SoTier]

2 hours ago, DrDawkinstein said:

 

They reworked the contract, but can get out of it at anytime pretty cheaply (his dead cap hit is $5M next year). Plus, Morse is on the verge of retirement. And is one slap to the head away from a forced retirement.

 

Get the Center who will be with Josh for the rest of his contract.

 

If Linderbaum or Johnson are on the board when the Bills get their turn, they should definitely take him for exactly the reasons you list plus the fact that it's likely he'll be a significant upgrade over Morse who's a decent but not outstanding center.   Moreover, both of them can play guard IIRC, so that's a big bonus. 

[Poleshifter]

OT Trevor Penning is from Northern Iowa, not Miss State

 

Northern Iowa is OT Spencer Brown's alma mater

[BillsShredder83]

1 hour ago, Poleshifter said:

OT Trevor Penning is from Northern Iowa, not Miss State

 

Northern Iowa is OT Spencer Brown's alma mater

Can he play guard? Down the road maybe theres a T spot open, but for now hes much more valuable if he can kick inside (Saffold is LG right? so hed be right next to his homie in the trenches!)

 

Saw they were the highest pair of T's scored in RAS of any college. Beane likes his freaks!

Edited April 15, 2022 by BillsShredder83

[GunnerBill]

I voted Booth. I can't vote again. But if I did -

 

1. Olave

2. Penning

3. Watson

Edited April 15, 2022 by GunnerBill

[No_Matter_What]

20 minutes ago, GunnerBill said:

I voted Booth. I can't vote again. But if I did -

 

1. Olave

2. Penning

3. Watson

Are you saying that it doesn't allow you to vote again after I deleted Booth?

[GunnerBill]

9 minutes ago, No_Matter_What said:

Are you saying that it doesn't allow you to vote again after I deleted Booth?

 

Ah it has now. Took a minute or two to update. 

[Mark Vader]

2 hours ago, Poleshifter said:

OT Trevor Penning is from Northern Iowa, not Miss State

 

Northern Iowa is OT Spencer Brown's alma mater

 

1 hour ago, BillsShredder83 said:

Can he play guard? Down the road maybe theres a T spot open, but for now hes much more valuable if he can kick inside (Saffold is LG right? so hed be right next to his homie in the trenches!)

 

Saw they were the highest pair of T's scored in RAS of any college. Beane likes his freaks!

Would love to get Penning, but I doubt he's available when we pick.

[wppete]

If Trent McDuffie falls to us at #25 we hit the jackpot.  🤞 

[ehfeuh57]

1. Jameson

2. Kenneth Walker

3. Booth

 

didnt see any of them on there so selected Davis