Tyreek seeking a trade [Now: Traded to the Dolphins]

[nucci]

A lot of you are assuming this coming season is going to be exactly like last season. It doesn't work that way. I think Dolphins finish 2nd and contend for a wild card spot. I think right now they are better than Jets and Patriots

[Chicken Boo]

5 minutes ago, Buffalo Barbarian said:

 

but does it suit Hill ??

 

 

 

 I would think so.  Think of how Shanahan would use Hill.  That's probably what McDaniel will do.  He was the run game coordinator in San Fran.  

 

Thank heavens the Phins don't have high level play at QB...for the moment anyway.

[Warcodered]

 

[Generic_Bills_Fan]

3 minutes ago, Chicken Boo said:

 

If Davis stays on track you may very well be right, but as of right now, no way.  You're definitely in the minority with this take.

Stays on track lol waddle has played one season…I’ll take the guy who’s part of the tandem that (should’ve) single handedly won two huge playoff games over a guy that caught dumpoffs from tua for one year and I don’t see that as any kind of hot take. 

[Dablitzkrieg]

I think people are really  overreacting.   Tua is so limited.  Buffalo will still cruise

[Shake_My_Head]

34 minutes ago, DCOrange said:

Tua is also good at extending plays. Unfortunately for him last year, he'd make 1 or 2 pass rushers miss when 2 or 3 of them were coming so Miami eventually realized their only chance of success was to get the ball out so quickly that their OLine didn't have a chance to ruin him. Their tackles allowed more pressures than anyone in the league last year despite Tua getting the ball out quicker than almost anyone.

 

I guess I watched another QB than you did.   

 

Tua's a game manager, who's just adequate enough to keep you from tossing in the towel and looking for an upgrade.    Giving him weapons is nice, but won't be a difference maker since he such a poor shot.

[Generic_Bills_Fan]

2 minutes ago, Chicken Boo said:

 

 I would think so.  Think of how Shanahan would use Hill.  That's probably what McDaniel will do.  He was the run game coordinator in San Fran.  

 

Thank heavens the Phins don't have high level play at QB...for the moment anyway.

That’s the thing though they traded away all the picks they’d use for a game changing qb to be maybe the 6th or 7th best team in their conference? So strange to me.  And by the time they get the qb ironed out tyreek will be in the decline 

Just now, Shake_My_Head said:

 

I guess I watched another QB than you did.   

 

Tua's a game manager, who's just adequate enough to keep you from tossing in the towel and looking for an upgrade.    Giving him weapons is nice, but won't be a difference maker since he such a poor shot.

I wish we didn’t knock him out of that second matchup I’m pretty sure we would’ve sacked him 16 times that game.  And that was pre von miller

[Bruffalo]

I don't really understand this trade, or know how to evaluate it anyways.  You already had a guy with a similar physical skillset in Waddle, you don't have a QB who is excellent at getting the ball out quickly or pushing the ball downfield.  You've given away a lot of picks, albeit for an excellent player.

 

I'm not saying that the Dolphins got fleeced, but I don't understand why they'd want to do it.  They weren't a WR away last season, like we were in 2019 with Diggs.

[WhitewalkerInPhilly]

34 minutes ago, wjag said:

Amazing how fast he cranks these out

 

 

I love his stuff

[Bangarang]

13 minutes ago, Buffalo Barbarian said:

 

but does it suit Hill ??

 

 

Yes it’s the WCO which Reid runs.

[Don Otreply]

53 minutes ago, CountDorkula said:

I knew this was going to be the reply. taking what i said super out of context and tyrant to insinuate that i said Tua = Mahomes.

 

Typical though.

 

Im saying Hill is going to be used on short crossing routes and screens and reverses because he can just outrun people.

 

Do we not remeber Hill taking a 7 yard pass 70 yards for a TD against the Bills?

Tua needs to get him the ball,, can’t just discount who the field general is, I don’t dispute what they may try to do with him, execution is the key here, and Tua isn’t near as good as the field general as Mahomes is, we are talking about a 2nd rate QB, with a first term HC, will they have some success trying that approach? Likely yes, but they are limited by the personnel that is making the attempt. 

Edited March 23, 2022 by Don Otreply

[BullBuchanan]

This move is the best thing to happen to Buffalo all offseason. Playing the chiefs got a hell of a lot easier and the phins still aren't good enough to contend.

[anguskeenan]

I would much rather face TH twice per year in the regular season with Tua than once a year in the playoffs with Patrick and the Chiefs. 

Edited March 23, 2022 by anguskeenan

[Generic_Bills_Fan]

2 minutes ago, BullBuchanan said:

This move is the best thing to happen to Buffalo all offseason. Playing the chiefs got a hell of a lot easier and the phins still aren't good enough to contend.

That’s the way I see it too…Miami just shot themselves in the foot trading first round picks away when they could’ve hit a homer with one of those and been great all to be maybe the second best team in their division.  They reportedly still have this years first but they can’t use that on a qb after a trade like that…they’re kind of committed all in while tyreek is in his prime 

Edited March 23, 2022 by Generic_Bills_Fan

[Royale with Cheese]

Just now, anguskeenan said:

I would much rather face TH twice per year in the regular season with Tua than once a year in the playoffs with Patrick and the Chiefs. 

 

100%.  Hill was the biggest difference maker between the two teams.  

[Bangarang]

4 minutes ago, Bruffalo said:

I don't really understand this trade, or know how to evaluate it anyways.  You already had a guy with a similar physical skillset in Waddle, you don't have a QB who is excellent at getting the ball out quickly or pushing the ball downfield.  You've given away a lot of picks, albeit for an excellent player.

 

I'm not saying that the Dolphins got fleeced, but I don't understand why they'd want to do it.  They weren't a WR away last season, like we were in 2019 with Diggs.

What’s difficult to understand? Offense was the Dolphins biggest problem and Hill helps that. 

[WhitewalkerInPhilly]

Maybe I should be worried but I'm  not. Flores was no schmuck, and got a lot out of his teams. I don't buy the idea that McDaniel comes in and turns a struggling Tua into a star in one year.

 

Do I think they might challenge the Pats for #2 and a wild card? Maybe. But not the division.

 

 

[Generic_Bills_Fan]

Just now, Bangarang said:

What’s difficult to understand? Offense was the Dolphins biggest problem and Hill helps that. 

We lit up that defense many many times lol and offensive line was their biggest question mark…they didn’t do a whole lot to address that.  Tyreek hill is gonna take targets away from other guys that are good also it’s not exactly additive…  I would’ve given tua this year then used the firsts they traded away on a qb.  

[BullBuchanan]

2 minutes ago, Bangarang said:

What’s difficult to understand? Offense was the Dolphins biggest problem and Hill helps that. 

I guess he could always throw the ball to himself.

[Allen2D̶i̶g̶g̶s̶TBD]

Defensive coordinators will play Hill completely differently now that he's in Miami. They gave him 10 yards of cushion because of Mahomes' ability to hit him deep. 

 

Now with Tua throwing him the ball, cornerbacks can afford to be more aggressive and try to take away the underneath routes. Miami will try to be creative in their play calls to get Hill the ball, but he'll essentially be a gadget slot receiver and probably will be held to under 1,000 yards.

[Generic_Bills_Fan]

Just now, Allen2Diggs said:

Defensive coordinators will play Hill completely differently now that he's in Miami. They gave him 10 yards of cushion because of Mahomes' ability to hit him deep. 

 

Now with Tua throwing him the ball, cornerbacks can afford to be more aggressive and try to take away the underneath routes. Miami will try to be creative in their play calls to get Hill the ball, but he'll essentially be a gadget slot receiver and probably will be held to under 1,000 yards.

Tua throws deep balls with nice touch  but I just don’t see him getting the time to do so…the right side of their offensive line still looks pretty terrible 

[Bruffalo]

3 minutes ago, Bangarang said:

What’s difficult to understand? Offense was the Dolphins biggest problem and Hill helps that. 

I don't think you should trade a ton of assets for a top WR when you have obvious serious doubts about your QB situation, and frankly I don't see how this really helps your offense so much when you already had a guy with a similar physical skillset in Waddle. 

 

Hill was so dangerous because A)His speed and B)The guy throwing it to him could put it anywhere on the field.  Tua can't push the ball like that. He can't extend the play like Mahomes could so Hill would have an extra 2-3 seconds to burn his man.

 

He's an absolutely excellent player. Is he worth 5 draft picks and a mega contract when you don't have the QB piece settled?  I don't think so, but maybe I'm wrong.  Just seems like a backwards way to build your team.

[Bangarang]

2 minutes ago, Generic_Bills_Fan said:

We lit up that defense many many times lol and offensive line was their biggest question mark…they didn’t do a whole lot to address that.  Tyreek hill is gonna take targets away from other guys that are good also it’s not exactly additive…  I would’ve given tua this year then used the firsts they traded away on a qb.  

Even if we sweep them, they’re still going to be a tough team. They were a fringe playoff team already with one of the worst o-lines in the league and Fitz/Tua.

 

And what do you mean they haven’t done a whole lot to address their o-line? They signed Terron Armstead and Connor Williams. 

[K-9]

8 minutes ago, Bangarang said:

What’s difficult to understand? Offense was the Dolphins biggest problem and Hill helps that. 

Considering we’ve averaged 36 points the last six games against them, I’m not sure I agree offense is their biggest problem. 

[CountDorkula]

6 minutes ago, Allen2Diggs said:

Defensive coordinators will play Hill completely differently now that he's in Miami. They gave him 10 yards of cushion because of Mahomes' ability to hit him deep. 

 

Now with Tua throwing him the ball, cornerbacks can afford to be more aggressive and try to take away the underneath routes. Miami will try to be creative in their play calls to get Hill the ball, but he'll essentially be a gadget slot receiver and probably will be held to under 1,000 yards.

 

Tua can absolutely throw a ball 20 yards downfield. As a UGA fan i can vouge for tis {Rolls eyes}

 

 

Do people think that Hill was just catching 70 yard air passes from Mahomes his entire tenure there?

Edited March 23, 2022 by CountDorkula

[Bangarang]

3 minutes ago, Bruffalo said:

I don't think you should trade a ton of assets for a top WR when you have obvious serious doubts about your QB situation, and frankly I don't see how this really helps your offense so much when you already had a guy with a similar physical skillset in Waddle. 

 

Hill was so dangerous because A)His speed and B)The guy throwing it to him could put it anywhere on the field.  Tua can't push the ball like that. He can't extend the play like Mahomes could so Hill would have an extra 2-3 seconds to burn his man.

 

He's an absolutely excellent player. Is he worth 5 draft picks and a mega contract when you don't have the QB piece settled?  I don't think so, but maybe I'm wrong.  Just seems like a backwards way to build your team.

They are fixing the o-line and surrounding Tua with as many weapons as possible so there is little doubt about his future if he doesn’t take a big step forward. 
 

They were likely never going to take a QB high this year. They still have two 1st round picks next year that they can use on a QB or package to trade up for one. If that happens, they’ll have a rookie stepping in with a better o-line and great weapons. 
 

The plan makes sense to me. 

[Generic_Bills_Fan]

Just now, Bangarang said:

Even if we sweep them, they’re still going to be a tough team. They were a fringe playoff team already with one of the worst o-lines in the league and Fitz/Tua.

 

And what do you mean they haven’t done a whole lot to address their o-line? They signed Terron Armstead and Connor Williams. 

Who’s on the right side/center of their offensive line?  They have huge flaws there still.  Couple weak links on the offensive line is a disaster regardless of how good the other guys are.  

[Dablitzkrieg]

 

[YoloinOhio]

 

[Bangarang]

3 minutes ago, K-9 said:

Considering we’ve averaged 36 points the last six games against them, I’m not sure I agree offense is their biggest problem. 

Most teams had that problem with us. That’s what happens when you have one of the best QBs in the league. 

[atlbillsfan1975]

KC saw the writing on the wall with Hill. I said it in one of the threads a month or so ago that Hill's only asset is his speed. He does not have great hands or a diverse route tree. He also does not strike me as the kind of player to work hard at developing other aspects of his game. His body already started showing signs of wear and tear last year. Good move for KC in the long run, Miami will appear to get the better end of the deal for the first half of 2022. I always trust a well-run organization over one that hasn't been run competently for years. 

[Bangarang]

2 minutes ago, Generic_Bills_Fan said:

Who’s on the right side/center of their offensive line?  They have huge flaws there still.  Couple weak links on the offensive line is a disaster regardless of how good the other guys are.  

This draft looks pretty deep with lineman. Granted they don’t pick until round 3 now but you can still find a quality lineman then. 

 

Lots of things can happen between now and September. 

Edited March 23, 2022 by Bangarang

[HOUSE]

This may go down as the best example of overpaying by an NFL team.

 

I still don't believe what Miami gave up...

 

 

[njbuff]

How is Hill going to like it when he is basically going from Marino to Peterman?

Edited March 23, 2022 by njbuff

[Generic_Bills_Fan]

3 minutes ago, Bangarang said:

They are fixing the o-line and surrounding Tua with as many weapons as possible so there is little doubt about his future if he doesn’t take a big step forward. 
 

They were likely never going to take a QB high this year. They still have two 1st round picks next year that they can use on a QB or package to trade up for one. If that happens, they’ll have a rookie stepping in with a better o-line and great weapons. 
 

The plan makes sense to me. 

They still have massive holes along the offensive line…even if tua massively improves they just won’t be able to fill these holes til the shiny new receiver they just traded for is declining.  

[CapeBreton]

Imagine if Miami had drafted Justin Herbert, sorry I just love bringing that up at every opportunity. Tua is a game manager at best, I'm not worried about Miami at all, just glad to see Tyreek off of the Chiefs, this is a big win for the Bills.

[nucci]

It's not going to matter. My nightmares of Hill in the playoff game won't go away

[Bangarang]

1 minute ago, Generic_Bills_Fan said:

They still have massive holes along the offensive line…even if tua massively improves they just won’t be able to fill these holes til the shiny new receiver they just traded for is declining.  

They right side needs attention but the season doesn’t start for another 5 months. 

[CountDorkula]

2 minutes ago, Generic_Bills_Fan said:

They still have massive holes along the offensive line…even if tua massively improves they just won’t be able to fill these holes til the shiny new receiver they just traded for is declining.  

Yea cause they don't have 2 first round draft picks still next year

 

I get the homerism, but come on dude.

[Generic_Bills_Fan]

2 minutes ago, Bangarang said:

This draft looks pretty deep with lineman. Granted they don’t pick until round 3 now but you can still find a quality lineman then. 

 

Lots of things can happen between now and September. 

Guess we’ll see…makes no sense to me but I’m sure the dolphins front office knows a little more about football than I do 😂. They could go back in time and bring in a vintage Jerry rice and I still think their offense is gonna be severely limited by their passing protection.  

Just now, Bangarang said:

They right side needs attention but the season doesn’t start for another 5 months. 

Right but now they don’t pick til mid round 3…right side and center.  Like if it was one bad linemen you can certainly gameplan around that .  But it’s three big holes