BillsMafi$ Posted February 3, 2022 Share Posted February 3, 2022 (edited) Edited February 3, 2022 by Simon Title 3 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bleeding Bills Blue Posted February 3, 2022 Share Posted February 3, 2022 I like it - has worked with Tom Cable and Bill Callahan in his career. Outside of Scarrnechia they're 2 of the best. I see it as an upgrade. 6 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Buffalo_Stampede Posted February 3, 2022 Share Posted February 3, 2022 (edited) 4 minutes ago, dneveu said: I like it - has worked with Tom Cable and Bill Callahan in his career. Outside of Scarrnechia they're 2 of the best. I see it as an upgrade. Not really much of a resume to say he's an upgrade. Not much to get excited about with this hire. I wonder what the connection is to the Bills staff. Edited February 3, 2022 by Buffalo_Stampede Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BuffaloBillyG Posted February 3, 2022 Share Posted February 3, 2022 Just now, Buffalo_Stampede said: Not really much of a resume to say he's an upgrade. Not much to get excited about with this hire. Cousins normally doesn't run for his life. Dalvin Cook always has nice holes to run through. That's not all on the coach, of course.. But it's a really nice potential step in the right direction. 12 8 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Southern_Bills Posted February 3, 2022 Share Posted February 3, 2022 I would take it, Minnesota has a immobile QB that stays relatively clean and a good running game. I think we have the talent and lack a good blocking scheme. 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Buffalo_Stampede Posted February 3, 2022 Share Posted February 3, 2022 (edited) 4 minutes ago, BuffaloBillyG said: Cousins normally doesn't run for his life. Dalvin Cook always has nice holes to run through. That's not all on the coach, of course.. But it's a really nice potential step in the right direction. He's only had 1 year as OL coach. Our offensive coaching staff is very young. Not exactly the resume I was hoping for. Edited February 3, 2022 by Buffalo_Stampede 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MiltonWaddams Posted February 3, 2022 Share Posted February 3, 2022 2 minutes ago, BuffaloBillyG said: Cousins normally doesn't run for his life. Dalvin Cook always has nice holes to run through. That's not all on the coach, of course.. But it's a really nice potential step in the right direction. Well, he was sacked 28 times last year, but he’s not exactly a mobile qb, so take from that what you will. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dwight in philly Posted February 3, 2022 Share Posted February 3, 2022 Never heard of him.. but never heard of most assistant coaches nowadays. Too many to keep track of. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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billsfan89 Posted February 3, 2022 Share Posted February 3, 2022 He is a young up and comer, I like the hire. He was the Assistant Oline coach in 2020 and the Oline coach in 2021. Both years the Vikings were decent along the Oline. They were pretty bad along the Oline in 2018 and 2019 so the past two seasons they have had a nice turnaround. It isn’t a “big name” but he is someone that has a decent track record and is someone young and up and coming. 5 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GETTOTHE50 Posted February 3, 2022 Share Posted February 3, 2022 1 minute ago, MiltonWaddams said: Well, he was sacked 28 times last year, but he’s not exactly a mobile qb, so take from that what you will. 28 times is bad, but the blame gets passed around from the coordinator, the coach, talent on the line and back field and the QB. I think* the bills have the player talent, but need a coordinator that can call and develop a consistent run game. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
billsfan89 Posted February 3, 2022 Share Posted February 3, 2022 4 minutes ago, Buffalo_Stampede said: He's only had 1 year as OL coach. Our offensive coaching staff is very young. Not exactly the resume I was hoping for. Sometimes younger coaches are able to connect with players better. So maybe there is a method to the madness? 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BuffaloBillyG Posted February 3, 2022 Share Posted February 3, 2022 1 minute ago, Buffalo_Stampede said: He's only had 1 year as OL coach. Our offensive coaching staff is very young. Not exactly the resume I was hoping for. In fairness he has had 3 years as either the line coach or Assistant line coach. He also is a former OL player at UCLA. (Hopefully) learned something from Tom Cable and Bill Callahan in his time under them. Agree that our offensive staff is young...however that's not necessarily a bad thing. 2 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CaptnCoke11 Posted February 3, 2022 Share Posted February 3, 2022 Good. I like they are going with young up and coming coaches instead of the older retread types. 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bleeding Bills Blue Posted February 3, 2022 Share Posted February 3, 2022 6 minutes ago, Buffalo_Stampede said: Not really much of a resume to say he's an upgrade. Not much to get excited about with this hire. I wonder what the connection is to the Bills staff. The only connection i see is Rick Dennison. Who he replaced when he wouldn't get vaccinated. Lot of young players on that offensive line and they didn't have any glaring pass pro issues. All with a first time play caller in Klint Kubiak. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Buffalo_Stampede Posted February 3, 2022 Share Posted February 3, 2022 The Vikings had a bottom 10 offensive line if you care about rankings. I tend not to care about rankings from other teams because there are many factors that go into it. Experience was a big must have for me with how inexperienced the offensive coaching staff is. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
78thealltimegreat Posted February 3, 2022 Share Posted February 3, 2022 Man Bills went the youth route on offense I kinda like it the last person we acquired from the Vikings worked out pretty well 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Big Turk Posted February 3, 2022 Share Posted February 3, 2022 Not sure about this...pro football outsiders has the Vikings ranked well below the Bills in term of offensive line yards(4.40 to 4.02) and Vikings were the worst team in the NFL in terms of getting stuffed on carries at 23%. Literally almost 1 out of every 4 RB caries resulted in a loss. In comparison Bills were 12th best at 16% Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BuffaloBillyG Posted February 3, 2022 Share Posted February 3, 2022 4 minutes ago, GETTOTHE50 said: 28 times is bad, but the blame gets passed around from the coordinator, the coach, talent on the line and back field and the QB. I think* the bills have the player talent, but need a coordinator that can call and develop a consistent run game. Vikings actually gave up 30 total sacks last year which was 5th FEWEST in the league. 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CNY315 Posted February 3, 2022 Share Posted February 3, 2022 Phil Rauscher returns to the Vikings in 2021 as Offensive Line coach, his 2nd season with the club and 7th season of NFL coaching. The 2020 Vikings offense had success with a balanced attack that ended the season ranked #4 in the NFL in total offense and #5 in rushing offense. Dalvin Cook had a career-best 1,557 yards on the ground and 16 rushing TDs, ranking 2nd in the NFL in yardage. Cook's yards ranked 3rd for a season and his 16 TDs ranks 2nd in Vikings history. The offense scored 55 TDs during 2020, the 2nd-most TD generated by a Vikings offense in franchise history, just trailing the 58 by the 1998 team. Cook earned a Pro Bowl berth and All-Pro accolades for the campaign. The 2020 Vikings offensive line got a boost when 2nd-round rookie Ezra Cleveland moved into the starting job at RG and solidified the lineup. The right side of the line was all 1st and 2nd-round Vikings picks from 2018, '19 and '20 between Garrett Bradbury at center (1st round, 2019), Cleveland and Brian O'Neill at RT (2nd round, 2018). 2 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Big Turk Posted February 3, 2022 Share Posted February 3, 2022 (edited) 6 minutes ago, GETTOTHE50 said: 28 times is bad, but the blame gets passed around from the coordinator, the coach, talent on the line and back field and the QB. I think* the bills have the player talent, but need a coordinator that can call and develop a consistent run game. 28 is a very low number, what are you talking about? The number was actually 30, but it is still among the best in the NFL---top 5 I think. Edited February 3, 2022 by Big Turk 3 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
billsfan89 Posted February 3, 2022 Share Posted February 3, 2022 1 minute ago, GETTOTHE50 said: 28 times is bad, but the blame gets passed around from the coordinator, the coach, talent on the line and back field and the QB. I think* the bills have the player talent, but need a coordinator that can call and develop a consistent run game. 28 times is not that tragic, esp with a pocket passer as a QB and keep in mind that’s 28 times in 17 games. Josh was sacked 26 times during the regular season for reference. 28 times is about 1.7 times per game which ranks 4th best in the NFL. Made more impressive by the fact that they don’t have a QB known to avoid sacks. 1 minute ago, Big Turk said: 28 is a very low number, what are you talking about? The number was actually 30, but it is still among the best in the NFL---top 5 I think. It ranks 4th best at 30 sacks given up which is about 1.8 per game. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BuffaloBillyG Posted February 3, 2022 Share Posted February 3, 2022 4 minutes ago, Big Turk said: Not sure about this...pro football outsiders has the Vikings ranked well below the Bills in term of offensive line yards(4.40 to 4.02) and Vikings were the worst team in the NFL in terms of getting stuffed on carries at 23%. Literally almost 1 out of every 4 RB caries resulted in a loss. In comparison Bills were 12th best at 16% However outside of the 2 stats you make mention of the Vikings line is ranked higher or better performing on almost every other stat line you provided. 🤷🏻♂️ 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Buffalo_Stampede Posted February 3, 2022 Share Posted February 3, 2022 6 minutes ago, Big Turk said: Not sure about this...pro football outsiders has the Vikings ranked well below the Bills in term of offensive line yards(4.40 to 4.02) and Vikings were the worst team in the NFL in terms of getting stuffed on carries at 23%. Literally almost 1 out of every 4 RB caries resulted in a loss. In comparison Bills were 12th best at 16% So many factors go into good or bad stats, especially when looking at only one season. We don't have a lot of history on this coach. He's worked under a lot of good coaches. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Big Turk Posted February 3, 2022 Share Posted February 3, 2022 5 minutes ago, BuffaloBillyG said: However outside of the 2 stats you make mention of the Vikings line is ranked higher or better performing on almost every other stat line you provided. 🤷🏻♂️ Those aren't really line stats tho...those are how the RB does more than anything. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GETTOTHE50 Posted February 3, 2022 Share Posted February 3, 2022 10 minutes ago, Big Turk said: 28 is a very low number, what are you talking about? The number was actually 30, but it is still among the best in the NFL---top 5 I think. 9 minutes ago, billsfan89 said: 28 times is not that tragic, esp with a pocket passer as a QB and keep in mind that’s 28 times in 17 games. Josh was sacked 26 times during the regular season for reference. 28 times is about 1.7 times per game which ranks 4th best in the NFL. Made more impressive by the fact that they don’t have a QB known to avoid sacks. It ranks 4th best at 30 sacks given up which is about 1.8 per game. ah what do i know. i tried to average it out and thought about twice per game was too much. i dont remember josh getting sacked that much this year, asides from the steelers and jags games. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Buffalo_Stampede Posted February 3, 2022 Share Posted February 3, 2022 Scheme likely played a big role as this guy runs a zone scheme and Munchak runs a man or a gap scheme. Maybe Bills were more concerned in what scheme the OL coach would bring in rather than looking for experience. 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bouds Posted February 3, 2022 Share Posted February 3, 2022 I think this says more about our run blocking scheme going forward, If he gets the job it will be heavy zone blocking, not that we didn't block that way at times but it's just the system he comes from is zone heavy. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Albany,n.y. Posted February 3, 2022 Share Posted February 3, 2022 21 minutes ago, billsfan89 said: Sometimes younger coaches are able to connect with players better. So maybe there is a method to the madness? Agree: The 2 Super Bowl head coaches are 38 & 36. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BuffaloBillyG Posted February 3, 2022 Share Posted February 3, 2022 10 minutes ago, Big Turk said: Those aren't really line stats tho...those are how the RB does more than anything. Some of which is reflective on blockers getting to the 2nd level. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Laughing Coffin Posted February 3, 2022 Share Posted February 3, 2022 (edited) Talks at ~ 1:40 mark about the system that he likes to run..."wide zone" pretty much what he learned from Bill Callahan/Gary Kubiak Edited February 3, 2022 by Laughing Coffin Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wizard Posted February 3, 2022 Share Posted February 3, 2022 I would have preferred Dalvin Cook as the OL/RB coordinator. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bangarang Posted February 3, 2022 Share Posted February 3, 2022 Hmmm..he must’ve vacationed in Carolina at some point in his life or this hire makes no sense 1 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JohnNord Posted February 3, 2022 Share Posted February 3, 2022 Not sure what to think about this hire. I would have loved to have Michael Munchak because his OL’s are always good. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MiltonWaddams Posted February 3, 2022 Share Posted February 3, 2022 5 minutes ago, Wizard said: I would have preferred Dalvin Cook as the OL/RB coordinator. I think that Dalvin would probably be best served as a running back. I’m not sure he’s qualified to coordinate anything. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ExWNYer Posted February 3, 2022 Share Posted February 3, 2022 35 minutes ago, Buffalo_Stampede said: Not really much of a resume to say he's an upgrade. Not much to get excited about with this hire. I wonder what the connection is to the Bills staff. 22 minutes ago, dneveu said: The only connection i see is Rick Dennison. Who he replaced when he wouldn't get vaccinated. Lot of young players on that offensive line and they didn't have any glaring pass pro issues. All with a first time play caller in Klint Kubiak. He was an offensive coaching assistant for Denver under their OC Rick Dennison (and RBs Coach Eric Studesville) on the Super Bowl 50 team which defeated Carolina and their DC Sean McDermott. McDermott probably knows him or has notes on him as far back as then and also via their mutual relationship to Dennison. The coaches at this level are all intertwined in some fashion. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
First Round Bust Posted February 3, 2022 Share Posted February 3, 2022 makes me wonder is this primarily Dorsey's hire as the OC or McDs as the HC..I am certain as part of the interviewing process for the OC position that the staff the OC expected to have or want came up ? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ColoradoBills Posted February 3, 2022 Share Posted February 3, 2022 41 minutes ago, BuffaloBillyG said: Vikings actually gave up 30 total sacks last year which was 5th FEWEST in the league. The worse 5 team sacks all were over 50. Young guy and being around the Washington RedFoot Commanders OLs back in 2018-2019 helps. Too tease some Bills fans he sure would know Brandon Scherff. LOL. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hapless Bills Fan Posted February 3, 2022 Share Posted February 3, 2022 46 minutes ago, Big Turk said: Not sure about this...pro football outsiders has the Vikings ranked well below the Bills in term of offensive line yards(4.40 to 4.02) and Vikings were the worst team in the NFL in terms of getting stuffed on carries at 23%. Literally almost 1 out of every 4 RB caries resulted in a loss. In comparison Bills were 12th best at 16% I wonder how the Bills data would look if it were limited to RBs though? Kirk Cousins has the nimbleness of his grandmother's van, which he drives. How does the data on adjusted sack rate look? The other part of the story is...how would the Bills data look for the first 10 games vs the last 7 (New Orleans -> on)? 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Wiz Posted February 3, 2022 Share Posted February 3, 2022 1 hour ago, Buffalo_Stampede said: Not really much of a resume to say he's an upgrade. Not much to get excited about with this hire. I wonder what the connection is to the Bills staff. You've heard of the game "6 degrees of Kevin bacon". Now we have "6 degrees of Carolina panthers" 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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