Josh Allen end of season press conference & other player media sessions

[NewEra]

36 minutes ago, NewEra said:

Sure, on the field, they’re equals.  Unfortunately, the only thing that matters is winning. Until Josh beats Mahomes in the playoffs and wins a SB, he’s trailing the race to be the best 

After 36 minutes, 4 people that disagree with this quote.  What do you disagree with?  Do you think josh should be viewed as the best qb in the league?  Do you think that winning Super Bowls in overrated?  I’m having a heard time wrapping my finger around how anyone could say that Josh is better than Mahomes without winning anything.  In my mind, he’s just as good, maybe even better at playing qb….. but to earn the title of the best, winning matters….regardless of what those disagreeing may feel.  Winning matters.  Believe that.  

12 minutes ago, Dr.Mantis_Toboggan said:

All of our players should boycott the Pro Bowl, screw that alternate nonsense... No reason to risk injury.  Not when they should be on the way to hosting the AFCCG here in Orchard Park, except McJauron...

Yeah except his coach ended his season, Mahomes just the guy who benefited from it.

Yeah…..Mahomes didn’t drive his team down for any scores or make an amazing throw to win the game.  He didn’t do anything to win the game.  🤦🏻‍♂️ 
 

 

[Ethan in Cleveland]

1 hour ago, Warcodered said:

 

Who is doubting Allen????

Many of us doubt McDermott and he sadly proved us right.

[NewEra]

4 minutes ago, ScottLaw said:

Except Josh shouldn’t be responsible for his coaching staff shitting the bed.

Agreed…I’m sure he knows he ***** up and just wants to move on from it…. Would be nice to hear him actually say they made a massive mistake though. 

So you think josh should universally be viewed as better than Mahomes too?  Good to know.  

[Ethan in Cleveland]

2 minutes ago, NewEra said:

After 36 minutes, 4 people that disagree with this quote.  What do you disagree with?  Do you think josh should be viewed as the best qb in the league?  Do you think that winning Super Bowls in overrated?  I’m having a heard time wrapping my finger around how anyone could say that Josh is better than Mahomes without winning anything.  In my mind, he’s just as good, maybe even better at playing qb….. but to earn the title of the best, winning matters….regardless of what those disagreeing may feel.  Winning matters.  Believe that.  

Yeah…..Mahomes didn’t drive his team down for any scores or make an amazing throw to win the game.  He didn’t do anything to win the game.  🤦🏻‍♂️ 
 

 

Josh won the game. Defense and McDermott lost it. What else do you want Allen to do? He can't be a winner if his dumb coach can't defend for 13 *****ijg seconds. 

[UKBillFan]

13 minutes ago, NewEra said:

After 36 minutes, 4 people that disagree with this quote.  What do you disagree with?  Do you think josh should be viewed as the best qb in the league?  Do you think that winning Super Bowls in overrated?  I’m having a heard time wrapping my finger around how anyone could say that Josh is better than Mahomes without winning anything.  In my mind, he’s just as good, maybe even better at playing qb….. but to earn the title of the best, winning matters….regardless of what those disagreeing may feel.  Winning matters.  Believe that.  

Yeah…..Mahomes didn’t drive his team down for any scores or make an amazing throw to win the game.  He didn’t do anything to win the game.  🤦🏻‍♂️ 
 

 

 

Mahomes got the opportunity thanks to a horrific defense (and special teams though I called for a touchback at the time) in the final 13 seconds. In reality, he shouldn't have had the time and that's as much down to our defense as it is the QB.

Edited January 24, 2022 by UKBillFan

[julian]

25 minutes ago, UKBillFan said:

 

Exactly. Manning was a great QB but would anyone say he was on a par with Brady?

I have to respectfully disagree, it’s the greatest TEAM sport… how many less rings does Bellicheck have if he had Manning instead of Brady ?

[Special K]

51 minutes ago, The Wiz said:

I don't think he would go as a reserve player. 

 

Think he'll only go if he makes it as first ballot. 

 

If I were him, I would tell the Pro Bowl to pound sand.....if people  aren’t smart enough to vote him in over Jackson, there is no way in hell I would show up as a replacement.

[Dr.Mantis_Toboggan]

6 minutes ago, NewEra said:

After 36 minutes, 4 people that disagree with this quote.  What do you disagree with?  Do you think josh should be viewed as the best qb in the league?  Do you think that winning Super Bowls in overrated?  I’m having a heard time wrapping my finger around how anyone could say that Josh is better than Mahomes without winning anything.  In my mind, he’s just as good, maybe even better at playing qb….. but to earn the title of the best, winning matters….regardless of what those disagreeing may feel.  Winning matters.  Believe that.  

Yeah…..Mahomes didn’t drive his team down for any scores or make an amazing throw to win the game.  He didn’t do anything to win the game.  🤦🏻‍♂️ 
 

 

Point clearly over your head. 

 

Lets break it down slowly for you.

 

bills Squib, it takes atleast 3-4 seconds off the clock.

 

9-10 seconds is not enough time to run the same plays they did to get in FG range. 

 

Then the defensive play calling to not give up a TD, again that's McD'a bad more than it's greatness by Mahomes. Mahomes just took exactly what McD gave him and had been giving him all... game... long.

 

Do me a favor and smack your face a little harder...

 

[TheBrownBear]

2 minutes ago, Special K said:

 

If I were him, I would tell the Pro Bowl to pound sand.....if people  aren’t smart enough to vote him in over Jackson, there is no way in hell I would show up as a replacement.

Nah, he should go there and have a good time with fellow players around the league.  Increase his profile a bit (he'd likely be the biggest star on display).  Throw another 3 or 4 touchdowns in 2 quarters to just remind everyone who the new boss is.

[Bruffalo]

Watching Josh's presser just made me feel sick.  It's a wasted year because of a coaching staff who can't get their crap together on gameday. 

[NewEra]

Just now, Ethan in Portland said:

Josh won the game. Defense and McDermott lost it. What else do you want Allen to do? He can't be a winner if his dumb coach can't defend for 13 *****ijg seconds. 

what else do I want him to do in order to become universally known as the best qb in the world?  I want him to win a super bowl.  Like every other best qb in the world does. His coach f’d up…..that sucks for josh and everyone else, but it doesn’t give josh a SB win.  The one thing that greatness is judged upon……or does that change now that josh hasn’t won one?

 

If you haven’t read my posts in full…..I’ll repeat…..for the 4th time:  I think josh is as good if not better than Mahomes, but to be regarded by the masses as the best you have to win.  Don’t act like I’m the only one saying this.  The world is saying this.  The world has been saying this for a century.   The world is also saying that josh is absolutely incredible and the world is his……but he has to win. 
 

How many years have some of you guys been watching sports?  Seriously. Why is this so hard for people to comprehend?    WINNING MATTERS PEOPLE.  Not my rules ladies and gents.  I’m just the one informing you of them.  Best = winning. Period.  

[Greg S]

4 minutes ago, Ethan in Portland said:

Josh won the game. Defense and McDermott lost it. What else do you want Allen to do? He can't be a winner if his dumb coach can't defend for 13 *****ijg seconds. 

 

Allen should have thrown the TD pass with just 3 seconds left instead of 13. Then maybe our dumbass D would have stopped KC. Josh was fantastic last night. He is going to win a Super Bowl for the Bills if they can eliminate the horrible play calling. You know who I would love to coach the Bills is Belichick. Won't happen of course but he would take advantage of Allen's skillset and we would have multiple championships. 

[NewEra]

9 minutes ago, UKBillFan said:

 

Mahomes got the opportunity to a horrific defense in the final 13 seconds. In reality, he shouldn't have had the time and that's as much down to our defense as it is the QB.

No……In reality…..he did.  And he did

 

maybe that’s the problem with the disconnect here.  Some people have a distorted of vision of reality.  The reality is what happened…..not what didn’t happen  

11 minutes ago, ScottLaw said:

I think he is better. The difference between the two teams is the Chiefs have better players around Mahomes and the coaching staff is better. 

 

The world will agree with you when josh beats him or wins a SB. 

[UKBillFan]

3 minutes ago, NewEra said:

No……In reality…..he did.  And he did

 

maybe that’s the problem with the disconnect here.  Some people have a distorted of vision of reality.  The reality is what happened…..not what didn’t happen  

The disconnect is perhaps between those who feel Mahomes just played out of his skin and those who thought we made it very easy for him.

[Motorin']

22 minutes ago, NewEra said:

I’m taking josh too ……those are different things.  

The world knows that josh is an unbelievable transcendent QB.  We know that he’s as good as Mahomes.  We have him for the next decade+.  What else really matters?  It’s hard to make an argument for Josh being “better” than Mahomes until josh has won something other than our hearts. 

 

Yeah, it's not the right argument. The truth is Mahomes has the better lethal weapons. No one is more dangerous than Tyreek Hill, and no one is a better possession receiver than Travis Kelce. 

 

 

[jkeerie]

42 minutes ago, Southern Bills Fan said:

I’ve never been one of the ones screaming to fire McDermott but if I watch him coach scared against KC one more time. Last year it was timid offense and this year timid defense. KC was getting chunk play after chunk play and we never even tried anything else, no blitzes or anything. It drives me crazy that he always says “we’ll learn from this” but he never learns. 

I disagree.  McD did learn.  Offense was more aggressive.  Going for it on 4th down not settling for FGs.  Hopefully, he now learns to take more control of how we call our defense.  Frazier plays passively.  I know McD respects his coaches and coordinators and lets them do their jobs,  but our defense is the weak link on this team...particularly the design.  McD talks about playing physical.  Against speed, that's how you need to play defense.  Jam the receivers.  Don't let them get off the line cleanly.  In week 5, that's what Tre and Siran Neal did.  Yes, they both got flagged...but there were no big plays.  We missed that last night.  So...this is the lesson McD needs to learn this year.  As much as I like Frazier, I think if he can't adjust, we need to move on.

[Ethan in Cleveland]

Just now, NewEra said:

what else do I want him to do in order to become universally known as the best qb in the world?  I want him to win a super bowl.  Like every other best qb in the world does. His coach f’d up…..that sucks for josh and everyone else, but it doesn’t give josh a SB win.  The one thing that greatness is judged upon……or does that change now that josh hasn’t won one?

 

If you haven’t read my posts in full…..I’ll repeat…..for the 4th time:  I think josh is as good if not better than Mahomes, but to be regarded by the masses as the best you have to win.  Don’t act like I’m the only one saying this.  The world is saying this.  The world has been saying this for a century.   The world is also saying that josh is absolutely incredible and the world is his……but he has to win. 
 

How many years have some of you guys been watching sports?  Seriously. Why is this so hard for people to comprehend?    WINNING MATTERS PEOPLE.  Not my rules ladies and gents.  I’m just the one informing you of them.  Best = winning. Period.  

Im trying to be kind. Just because you say the same thing four times doesn't make it any less of a worse take on what happened. Allen won the game twice. The defense lost it.  Unless you advocate for Allen taking a knee and then scoring with no time on the clock there is literally nothing else Allen could have done to win that game. He is a winner. McDermott is a loser. 

Judging QBs by win loss record is just incredibly stupid. By every category Marino was better than Kelly but Marino did not have Thurman and Bruce. Its a team sport and Allen's team and coaching staff lost the game. 

[NewEra]

8 minutes ago, Dr.Mantis_Toboggan said:

Point clearly over your head. 

 

Lets break it down slowly for you.

 

bills Squib, it takes atleast 3-4 seconds off the clock.

 

9-10 seconds is not enough time to run the same plays they did to get in FG range. 

 

Then the defensive play calling to not give up a TD, again that's McD'a bad more than it's greatness by Mahomes. Mahomes just took exactly what McD gave him and had been giving him all... game... long.

 

Do me a favor and smack your face a little harder...

 

No need.  I’m good man.  Like I’ve said 100 times now….you have to win.  Regardless of who’s fault it is…..being the best has criteria.  I didn’t make the rules. I’m just informing you of them.
 

Josh is still behind Mahomes in the eyes of the world.  And he’ll fall even further behind if Mahomes wins his 2nd Super Bowl while going to his 3rd consecutive.  It’ll probably be on josh to keep Mahomes from going to 4 straight.  I think he’s up to it.  Hopefully his help is too

[Hapless Bills Fan]

1 minute ago, jkeerie said:

I disagree.  McD did learn.  Offense was more aggressive.  Going for it on 4th down not settling for FGs.  Hopefully, he now learns to take more control of how we call our defense.  Frazier plays passively.  I know McD respects his coaches and coordinators and lets them do their jobs,  but our defense is the weak link on this team...particularly the design.  McD talks about playing physical.  Against speed, that's how you need to play defense.  Jam the receivers.  Don't let them get off the line cleanly.  In week 5, that's what Tre and Siran Neal did.  Yes, they both got flagged...but there were no big plays.  We missed that last night.  So...this is the lesson McD needs to learn this year.  As much as I like Frazier, I think if he can't adjust, we need to move on.

 

Question: why do you think McD doesn't have strong input/oversight into the design of the defense?

[Repulsif]

thx fot the post but I won't listen for now. It's way too soon for me

[NewEra]

11 minutes ago, UKBillFan said:

The disconnect is perhaps between those who feel Mahomes just played out of his skin and those who thought we made it very easy for him.

Yeah, that GW throw was due to bad defense.  
 

yet, the chiefs fans are saying that the only reason josh played so well was because he was throwing to wide open gabe Davis because they were missing mathieu and Fenton.  Mahomes’ pass was threaded to a well covered Kelce.  The chiefs coaches made mistakes and josh capitalized. It works both ways.  
 

either way…..my point is and will always be, you have to win a SB if you want to be crowned the best QB.  

There’s nothing more to say that I haven’t already said 

 

agree to disagree.  I appreciate your level headed discussion and apologize if I offended.  
 

 

7 minutes ago, Ethan in Portland said:

Im trying to be kind. Just because you say the same thing four times doesn't make it any less of a worse take on what happened. Allen won the game twice. The defense lost it.  Unless you advocate for Allen taking a knee and then scoring with no time on the clock there is literally nothing else Allen could have done to win that game. He is a winner. McDermott is a loser. 

Judging QBs by win loss record is just incredibly stupid. By every category Marino was better than Kelly but Marino did not have Thurman and Bruce. Its a team sport and Allen's team and coaching staff lost the game. 

He never won the game even once.  
 

If what you say is true and allen won the game twice, then Mahomes also won the game twice….but his defense lost it…. See how that works?

Edited January 24, 2022 by NewEra

[UKBillFan]

11 minutes ago, NewEra said:

Yeah, that GW throw was due to bad defense.  
 

yet, the chiefs fans are saying that the only reason josh played so well was because he was throwing to wide open gabe Davis because they were missing mathieu and Fenton.  Mahomes’ pass was threaded to a well covered Kelce.  The chiefs coaches made mistakes and josh capitalized. It works both ways.  
 

either way…..my point is and will always be, you have to win a SB if you want to be crowned the best QB.  

There’s nothing more to say that I haven’t already said 

 

agree to disagree.  I appreciate your level headed discussion and apologize if I offended.  
 

 

He never won the game even once.  
 

If what you say is true and allen won the game twice, then Mahomes also won the game twice….but his defense lost it…. See how that works?

Agreed, I guess every fanbase is harsh on their team without giving credit to the other. We seem to be a franchise that has a spectacular number of “why” and “if only” though.

[CincyBillsFan]

1 hour ago, UKBillFan said:

Of course they're going to say it, but with Mahomes around I'm not sure if Josh can be called the best quarterback in the NFL. Two SB appearances later and we can revisit it.

 

(Yes, still irrational, yes, Mahomes probably has a better team around him... urgh. When will I stop taking every comment badly?)

They are two different things.  You can be the best QB and still have not won a SB.  This is especially the case with Allen versus Mahomes because they are both young and we have no idea what the future holds for both guys. 

 

We do know that Allen was drafted a year after Mahomes and came to a team that was in a total rebuild. Mahomes went to to team that was a regular playoff contender and already loaded on the offensive side of the ball.  Their race started out at a different time and in very different places.  If the only advantage Mahomes has is his Super Bowl win and appearance then they are in fact equal as quarterbacks.

 

 

 

 

[NewEra]

Just now, CincyBillsFan said:

They are two different things.  You can be the best QB and still have not won a SB.  This is especially the case with Allen versus Mahomes because they are both young and we have no idea what the future holds for both guys. 

 

We do know that Allen was drafted a year after Mahomes and came to a team that was in a total rebuild. Mahomes went to to team that was a regular playoff contender and already loaded on the offensive side of the ball.  Their race started out at a different time and in very different places.  If the only advantage Mahomes has is his Super Bowl win and appearance then they are in fact equal as quarterbacks.

 

 

 

 

I disagree.  Not when the current best qb is beating you and winning Super Bowls while also playing lights out football.  He was great yesterday too

The gap has been closed and everyone knows josh is elite.  Not sure why he has to be viewed as the best while never even reaching a super bowl .

[UKBillFan]

3 minutes ago, NewEra said:

I disagree.  Not when the current best qb is beating you and winning Super Bowls while also playing lights out football.  He was great yesterday too

The gap has been closed and everyone knows josh is elite.  Not sure why he has to be viewed as the best while never even reaching a super bowl .

And when our record in one score games this year is 0-6.

 

Meant to say, no offence taken earlier as well.

[jkeerie]

20 minutes ago, Hapless Bills Fan said:

 

Question: why do you think McD doesn't have strong input/oversight into the design of the defense?

I think it is his defense, but how it gets executed play to play, I believe he defers to his coordinators.   That defense can be executed more aggressively and more physically.  Yesterday, it wasn't.  McD spoke about "execution" defensively in his presser.  I think he was thinking coaching as well as players.

[CincyBillsFan]

14 minutes ago, NewEra said:

either way…..my point is and will always be, you have to win a SB if you want to be crowned the best QB.  
 

IMO this is only true after a players career is over.  When judging two players head to head who are young with 10 - 15 years ahead of them it's possible to declare that the QB who hasn't yet won a SB is better then one who has. 

 

In the case of the race between Allen & Mahomes it matters that they started in very different situations. Mahomes has been in the NFL a year longer and more importantly started out at a very different place then Allen did. Mahomes came to an established playoff team with an experienced head coach and an offense already loaded with talent.  Allen came to an historically dysfunctional franchise (over the last 20 years) undergoing a rebuild with a 2nd year head coach and 1st year GM. 

 

I mean Mahomes was throwing to a TE named Kelsy his first two seasons while Allen was throwing to a TE named Clay his first two seasons.

 

And for the record I think Mahomes is a spectacular talent.

 

 

 

[NewEra]

2 minutes ago, UKBillFan said:

And when our record in one score games this year is 0-6.

 

Meant to say, no offence taken earlier as well.

And he had opportunities to win at the end

tenn- he slipped and the OL got mashed.  

Jax-  got sacked and 2 incompletions- OL got mashed.  

NE- hurricane  

 

TB - we won the coin flip and went 3 and out. 

[CincyBillsFan]

8 minutes ago, NewEra said:

I disagree.  Not when the current best qb is beating you and winning Super Bowls while also playing lights out football.  He was great yesterday too

The gap has been closed and everyone knows josh is elite.  Not sure why he has to be viewed as the best while never even reaching a super bowl .

Because the Super Bowl criteria only matters if you're comparing QB's at the end of their careers.  Allen started so far behind Mahomes with respect to almost every conceivable metric in what it takes for a TEAM to reach and win a  SB that you need to let the fullness of time play out before using the SB as a deciding criteria.

 

There's a chance that Mac Jones may win a Super Bowl before Justin Herbert.  Does that make Jones a better QB then Herbert? Or would it be fair to say that Mac Jones and Trevor Lawrence started out at the same place in NE & Jacksonville?  I could see Lawrence clearly becoming a better QB then Jones but Jones winning a SB before him.

 

 

[starrymessenger]

2 hours ago, Big Turk said:

 

I mean they are 1A and 1B at this point. Allen is every bit as good a Mahomes and showed it yesterday.

 

Yup...Allen deserved better. He put this team on his back.

They are both great obviously. Maybe it’s the homer in me but I just don’t think Pat would have had the game Josh did running the Bills offence yesterday. 

[Dr Krentist]

21 minutes ago, NewEra said:

I disagree.  Not when the current best qb is beating you and winning Super Bowls while also playing lights out football.  He was great yesterday too

The gap has been closed and everyone knows josh is elite.  Not sure why he has to be viewed as the best while never even reaching a super bowl .

 

Correct me if I'm wrong. I'm trying to get a full understanding of what you're saying. So if I have this right, you have to win a superbowl in order to be considered the best. I disagree with that because the NFL is a team sport. As we saw last night, a QB can only do so much. He doesn't play defense. You said earlier McDermott f'd up and doesn't give Josh a win. So that's not Josh's fault and it shouldn't factor in him being considered the best or not. By winning the Superbowl logic, does that mean Trent Dilfer is a better QB than Josh? Nick Foles?

[NewEra]

3 minutes ago, CincyBillsFan said:

IMO this is only true after a players career is over.  When judging two players head to head who are young with 10 - 15 years ahead of them it's possible to declare that the QB who hasn't yet won a SB is better then one who has. 

 

In the case of the race between Allen & Mahomes it matters that they started in very different situations. Mahomes has been in the NFL a year longer and more importantly started out at a very different place then Allen did. Mahomes came to an established playoff team with an experienced head coach and an offense already loaded with talent.  Allen came to an historically dysfunctional franchise (over the last 20 years) undergoing a rebuild with a 2nd year head coach and 1st year GM. 

 

I mean Mahomes was throwing to a TE named Kelsy his first two seasons while Allen was throwing to a TE named Clay his first two seasons.

 

And for the record I think Mahomes is a spectacular talent.

 

 

 

Fair points.  All of that matters and I agree with nearly all of it. 
 

Mahomes has already been crowned and has done nothing to relinquish the title.  The world isn’t going to crown Josh just because his coaches and D failed him.  The world will recognize josh as elite and some on par with Mahomes while allowing Mahomes to wear the crown as we all wait impatiently for the next showdown.  Mahomes’ throw to win the game was epic.  Just an amazing threading of the needle. He can’t lose the belt after making that throw to win the game. It’s unsportsmanlike.  

[McBean]

1 hour ago, sven233 said:

 

I don't know......  I was sad after the loss last year.  It's different for me this year.  I'm not sad.  I'm pissed off.  Any common sense at the end of that game last night and we're getting ready for the Bengals here for a chance to go to the Super Bowl.  But the coaches did EVERYTHING wrong after our go-ahead TD and if they would have done just 1 thing right, everything is different today.

 

So yeah.....I'm not sad this year.  I am very mad and angry.

Can’t say anything negative about McClappy on here. Watch out.

[NewEra]

4 minutes ago, Dr Krentist said:

 

Correct me if I'm wrong. I'm trying to get a full understanding of what you're saying. So if I have this right, you have to win a superbowl in order to be considered the best. I disagree with that because the NFL is a team sport. As we saw last night, a QB can only do so much. He doesn't play defense. You said earlier McDermott f'd up and doesn't give Josh a win. So that's not Josh's fault and it shouldn't factor in him being considered the best or not. By winning the Superbowl logic, does that mean Trent Dilfer is a better QB than Josh? Nick Foles?

 

When the current best qb in the world has proven to be a champion and has ended the challenging QBs last two seasons, I don’t see how anyone can give the title to the challenger.  MAYBE if Mahomes had a bad game and was carried…..maaaaaybe. But Mahomes was great.  He doesn’t deserve to lose the title.  He just doesn’t.  
 

You disagree.  You’re allowed.  👍🏻 

[JerseyBills]

You can see the pain in his eyes. 

I love what Davis said about this being the standard for the O every week. 

Going to be a long off season 

[Big Turk]

1 minute ago, JerseyBills said:

You can see the pain in his eyes. 

I love what Davis said about this being the standard for the O every week. 

Going to be a long off season 

 

Now they realize what it takes every week. Just like the 89 Bills did after their heartbreaking loss. Come back better and tear the league apart next year.

[TBBills]

2 hours ago, Warcodered said:

 

@Gene1973

[JerseyBills]

7 minutes ago, Big Turk said:

 

Now they realize what it takes every week. Just like the 89 Bills did after their heartbreaking loss. Come back better and tear the league apart next year.

I can see them going 15-2 or something amazing like that , just demolishing teams. I truly believe Allen when he says he's going to turn this terrible feeling into fire n motivation and being that his teammates love him n respect him so much, I think it'll resonate throughout the locker room 

[BuffaloBill]

2 minutes ago, JerseyBills said:

I can see them going 15-2 or something amazing like that , just demolishing teams. I truly believe Allen when he says he's going to turn this terrible feeling into fire n motivation and being that his teammates love him n respect him so much, I think it'll resonate throughout the locker room 

 

 

With Injuries there is an element of luck to this. Not to mention who knows if and how COVID will impact the next season and its associated preparation.

[SCBills]

2 hours ago, NewEra said:

Sure, on the field, they’re equals.  Unfortunately, the only thing that matters is winning. Until Josh beats Mahomes in the playoffs and wins a SB, he’s trailing the race to be the best 

You’re correct, it’s just insane that the only reason you’re correct is because of our coaches and defense.