SWATeam Posted February 19, 2022 Share Posted February 19, 2022 6 minutes ago, GunnerBill said: I think when I started looking at this class 5 or 6 weeks ago I said a couple of times that I didn't think it was a particularly good class. However, the more I have looked at it the more I like it. It remains a not very good top 10. I think there are three guys worthy of a top 10 grade and only one other I have a top 15 grade on. But mid to late firsts until mid 2nd is stacked and then there is another good tier of players in that mid 2nd to mid 3rd territory. I think "it's a good year to have a few day two picks" gets said every year. But this year it really is true. What do you think of those early guard prospects? Any chance Kenyon Green is still there for us (I don't think so), and do you think Zion Johnson is worth the pick? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GunnerBill Posted February 19, 2022 Share Posted February 19, 2022 2 minutes ago, SWATeam said: What do you think of those early guard prospects? Any chance Kenyon Green is still there for us (I don't think so), and do you think Zion Johnson is worth the pick? You would have a hard time convincing me to spend a first round pick on a guard unless it is a real elite level guy (Zack Martin and Quinten Nelson were both first round guards to me) or they were so clearly the best player available. I just don't see the positional value. I think both Johnson and Green are likely top 32 players in the class and I could see at least one of them being there for us. But I'm not sure that's where I'd go. 1 3 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ScorpionZero Posted February 20, 2022 Share Posted February 20, 2022 25. Roger McCreary CB, 57. Breece Hall RB, 89. Boye Mafe EDGE, 128. Alec Lindstrom IOL, 167. Cade Mays IOL, 183. Isaac Taylor-Stuart CB, 201. Markquese Bell S, 228. P.J. Mustipher IDL, 243. Peyton Hendershot TE, Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ScorpionZero Posted February 20, 2022 Share Posted February 20, 2022 25: R1 P25 CB Kaiir Elam - Florida 57: R2 P25 G Kenyon Green - Texas A&M 89: R3 P25 DL Phidarian Mathis - Alabama 129: R4 P25 WR John Metchie III - Alabama 168: R5 P25 CB Cam Taylor-Britt - Nebraska 184: R6 P6 DL John Ridgeway - Arkansas 202: R6 P24 P Matt Araiza - San Diego State 229: R7 P10 TE Peyton Hendershot - Indiana 244: R7 P25 CB Isaac Taylor-Stuart - Southern Cal Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mij yllek Posted February 20, 2022 Share Posted February 20, 2022 if Jameson Williams is still on the board you give the name to Usain Bolt to run up and give the Commissioner. You simply cannot allow him to get drafted by KC or even someone in the division. 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
97bills Posted February 20, 2022 Share Posted February 20, 2022 14 minutes ago, Mij yllek said: if Jameson Williams is still on the board you give the name to Usain Bolt to run up and give the Commissioner. You simply cannot allow him to get drafted by KC or even someone in the division. We’re going corner and get to watch Williams run pass him catching bombs from mahomes. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MiltonWaddams Posted February 20, 2022 Share Posted February 20, 2022 42 minutes ago, Mij yllek said: if Jameson Williams is still on the board you give the name to Usain Bolt to run up and give the Commissioner. You simply cannot allow him to get drafted by KC or even someone in the division. I think we would be beyond fortunate to see a WR group of Williams, Diggs and Davis in the second half of next season. Pick your poison. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dje85 Posted February 20, 2022 Share Posted February 20, 2022 (edited) 9 hours ago, GunnerBill said: I think when I started looking at this class 5 or 6 weeks ago I said a couple of times that I didn't think it was a particularly good class. However, the more I have looked at it the more I like it. It remains a not very good top 10. I think there are three guys worthy of a top 10 grade and only one other I have a top 15 grade on. But mid to late firsts until mid 2nd is stacked and then there is another good tier of players in that mid 2nd to mid 3rd territory. I think "it's a good year to have a few day two picks" gets said every year. But this year it really is true. This class is going to be deep. Many guys stayed the extra year that the colleges let them due to Covid so they are declaring this year rather than last. So will be a lot deeper in the mid to late ranges this year. Also, going to see a few surprise UDFAS this year guys that would normally be drafted but didn't make the cut due to the draft number games that are going to make rosters and make noticeable contributions early. Edited February 20, 2022 by dje85 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Don Otreply Posted February 20, 2022 Share Posted February 20, 2022 12 hours ago, Hapless Bills Fan said: IMO the Bills need an upgrade on IOL. Josh Allen was #1 in the league at preventing pressures from becoming sacks https://buffalonews.com/sports/bills/josh-allen-was-no-1-in-nfl-in-preventing-pressures-from-becoming-sacks/article_14ac6a54-8a99-11ec-a0e0-b3fad28e1ce7.html But PFF says he faced pressure on the most dropbacks in the league (32%, or 246) Yes, Allen can escape from pressure but it may mean he's throwing it away or taking a short pass instead of pushing the ball downfield No matter how you slice it, the O-line needs upgrades, and as you show it, the stats agree. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ScorpionZero Posted February 20, 2022 Share Posted February 20, 2022 25. Roger McCreary CB, 57. Jamaree Salyer IOL, 89. Breece Hall RB, 128. Cade Mays IOL, 167. Isaac Taylor-Stuart CB, 183. Nick Grant S, 201. Charleston Rambo WR, 228. Neil Farrell Jr. IDL, 243. Bubba Bolden S, Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Estro Posted February 20, 2022 Share Posted February 20, 2022 Just from a raw #'s standpoint we ste going to need a few DL. Now there's FA, trades and the draft but we're set to lose at least a couple of DL & given Beanes history drafting one with a top 100 pick is likely. FAs: Hughes Addison Phillips Butler Obada Possible cuts: Star Lotulelei So as you can see even if we resign a couple of our own FAs we are still going to need to add. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ScorpionZero Posted February 20, 2022 Share Posted February 20, 2022 25: R1 P25 DL Jordan Davis - Georgia 57: R2 P25 RB Breece Hall - Iowa State 89: R3 P25 WR John Metchie III - Alabama 129: R4 P25 C Alec Lindstrom - Boston College 168: R5 P25 CB Cam Taylor-Britt - Nebraska 184: R6 P6 DL Otito Ogbonnia - UCLA 202: R6 P24 P Jake Camarda - Georgia 229: R7 P10 CB Josh Jobe - Alabama 244: R7 P25 LB Brandon Smith - Penn State 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LyndonvilleBill Posted February 20, 2022 Share Posted February 20, 2022 4 minutes ago, Estro said: Just from a raw #'s standpoint we ste going to need a few DL. Now there's FA, trades and the draft but we're set to lose at least a couple of DL & given Beanes history drafting one with a top 100 pick is likely. FAs: Hughes Addison Phillips Butler Obada Possible cuts: Star Lotulelei So as you can see even if we resign a couple of our own FAs we are still going to need to add. Sign Hughes, Zimmer and Obada to 1 yr deals. Draft Edge and DT3 Addison and Butler can walk. Sign Phillips (3yrs). Draft a DT1 to replace Star. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ScorpionZero Posted February 20, 2022 Share Posted February 20, 2022 25. Kaiir Elam CB Florida 57. Lecitus Smith OG Virginia Tech 89. Alec Lindstrom OC Boston College 129. John Ridgeway DT Arkansas 168. Hassan Haskins RB Michigan 184. Matt Araiza P San Diego State 202. Isaac Taylor-Stuart CB USC 229. Marquan McCall DT Kentucky 244. Jeremiah Gemmel LB North Carolina FULL RESULTS START NEW SIM --> Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Special K Posted February 20, 2022 Share Posted February 20, 2022 25. Trevor Penning T/G N. Iowa 57. Coby Bryant CB Cincinnati 89. Jerome Ford RB Cincinnati 129. Kyle Phillips "Slot" WR UCLA Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Solomon Grundy Posted February 20, 2022 Share Posted February 20, 2022 3 hours ago, ScorpionZero said: 25: R1 P25 DL Jordan Davis - Georgia 57: R2 P25 RB Breece Hall - Iowa State 89: R3 P25 WR John Metchie III - Alabama 129: R4 P25 C Alec Lindstrom - Boston College 168: R5 P25 CB Cam Taylor-Britt - Nebraska 184: R6 P6 DL Otito Ogbonnia - UCLA 202: R6 P24 P Jake Camarda - Georgia 229: R7 P10 CB Josh Jobe - Alabama 244: R7 P25 LB Brandon Smith - Penn State No way Hall lasts until pick 57. I agree with Steve Tasker, I’m not using a 1st rd on Jordan Davis. Not when I can get a better player in Travis Jones in the 2nd Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Victory Formation Posted February 20, 2022 Share Posted February 20, 2022 39. Zion Johnson OG Boston College 57. Wan'Dale Robinson WR Kentucky 76. Channing Tindall LB Georgia 89. Zachary Carter DT Florida 96. Alontae Taylor CB Tennessee 184. Jaylen Watson CB Washington State 202. Jake Camarda P Georgia 229. Clarence Hicks LB UTSA 244. Myron Tagovailoa-Amosa EDGE Notre Dame 2023 BAL 4th Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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4merper4mer Posted February 21, 2022 Share Posted February 21, 2022 5 minutes ago, ScorpionZero said: I’ve seen write ups indicating that punter could go as early as the second round. That seems crazy to me but I doubt he lasts to the sixth. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Putin Posted February 21, 2022 Share Posted February 21, 2022 On 1/24/2022 at 12:36 AM, Ethan in Portland said: Trade out of the first round C/G, DE, CB, TE in the first two days I say the opposite trade up and get impact players on both sides of the ball , get one impact player in free agency and fill the holes with mid level free agents , 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Victory Formation Posted February 21, 2022 Share Posted February 21, 2022 28. Tyler Linderbaum OC Iowa 57. Wan'Dale Robinson WR Kentucky 89. Zachary Carter DT Florida 108. Alontae Taylor CB Tennessee 115. Marcus Jones CB/KR Houston 129. Jake Camarda P Georgia 184. Velus Jones Jr. WR/KR Tennessee 202. Savion Williams DT Florida A&M 229. Emmett Rice LB Florida State 244. Garrett Crall EDGE Wyoming Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GunnerBill Posted February 21, 2022 Share Posted February 21, 2022 Interesting bit of info on Linderbaum - I listened to one of the Draft Network podcasts yesterday and they were saying the draft media consensus is higher on him than the team consensus and he is very much viewed as scheme dependant. I then cross checked that with one of the talking heads that I have a pretty good relationship with (regular readers can probably guess who I'm on about) and he said he talked to teams in Mobile who have him off their boards. He said he still expects him to go first round but thinks it will be later than expected. Interestingly he said despite the regularity with which he is mocked to Philly (and we all understand why, Kelce was an undersized center and is near the end) he doesn't know that theirs is one of the scheme fits (they did a lot more gap scheme last year and Linderbaum really is a zone blocker). 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stinky finger Posted February 21, 2022 Share Posted February 21, 2022 1 hour ago, GunnerBill said: Interesting bit of info on Linderbaum - I listened to one of the Draft Network podcasts yesterday and they were saying the draft media consensus is higher on him than the team consensus and he is very much viewed as scheme dependant. I then cross checked that with one of the talking heads that I have a pretty good relationship with (regular readers can probably guess who I'm on about) and he said he talked to teams in Mobile who have him off their boards. He said he still expects him to go first round but thinks it will be later than expected. Interestingly he said despite the regularity with which he is mocked to Philly (and we all understand why, Kelce was an undersized center and is near the end) he doesn't know that theirs is one of the scheme fits (they did a lot more gap scheme last year and Linderbaum really is a zone blocker). What scheme does Kromer employ? If there’s a match, would you take him at 25? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GunnerBill Posted February 21, 2022 Share Posted February 21, 2022 1 hour ago, inaugural balls said: What scheme does Kromer employ? If there’s a match, would you take him at 25? so Kromer has employed most schemes in his time. When he was with the Saints where he made his rep he was more of a gap scheme guy, then he took that to Chicago in his stint as their OC. When he came to Buffalo that was more hybrid because Roman runs the mos imaginative, creative, hybrid run scheme in football. But then he went to the Rams who are fundamentally stretch zone scheme. I imagine the Bills are going to be primarily more of a gap team given as that was the direction they were moving at the end of 2021 when they got the run game going some. As for would I draft him at #25, IF the Bills were going to pivot back to zone blocking (which I wouldn't be in favour of) and IF they board fell a certain way then there is a situation where I wouldn't hate it. But it would not be my first choice even if those two things were true. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
eball Posted February 21, 2022 Share Posted February 21, 2022 I’ve come to the conclusion that I hope the Bills go WR at #25. Here are the positions I think it’s clear they will not draft in the 1st round: QB, RB, TE, OL, LB, S. That leaves DL, CB, and WR. I know a lot of folks are worried about the DL and pass rush but I think they bring Hughes back and we’ve got to give the young guys (Epenesa, Rousseau, Basham) a chance to show they are developing. I think they re-sign Harry and bring in a FA vet at DT. I also have a feeling they wind up re-signing Levi. They will draft at least one CB later on but I don’t see 1st round. Which brings me back to WR in another strong class. Beane has got to continue to give Josh weapons, so draft a guy with first round talent who doesn’t have to “star” immediately but can play ST and be the 4th WR in spread sets. That’s an instant upgrade to an already dangerous offense. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CapeBreton Posted February 21, 2022 Share Posted February 21, 2022 8 minutes ago, eball said: I’ve come to the conclusion that I hope the Bills go WR at #25. Here are the positions I think it’s clear they will not draft in the 1st round: QB, RB, TE, OL, LB, S. That leaves DL, CB, and WR. I know a lot of folks are worried about the DL and pass rush but I think they bring Hughes back and we’ve got to give the young guys (Epenesa, Rousseau, Basham) a chance to show they are developing. I think they re-sign Harry and bring in a FA vet at DT. I also have a feeling they wind up re-signing Levi. They will draft at least one CB later on but I don’t see 1st round. Which brings me back to WR in another strong class. Beane has got to continue to give Josh weapons, so draft a guy with first round talent who doesn’t have to “star” immediately but can play ST and be the 4th WR in spread sets. That’s an instant upgrade to an already dangerous offense. Which WR do you want to draft in round 1? I only really want Jameson Williams at 25 if we are going WR there, he’s a home run pick. I don’t see any other WR in that range worth drafting unless someone really falls to us, If we don’t get Williams then I’d rather wait to draft a WR in round 2 or 3. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GunnerBill Posted February 21, 2022 Share Posted February 21, 2022 14 minutes ago, eball said: I’ve come to the conclusion that I hope the Bills go WR at #25. Here are the positions I think it’s clear they will not draft in the 1st round: QB, RB, TE, OL, LB, S. That leaves DL, CB, and WR. I know a lot of folks are worried about the DL and pass rush but I think they bring Hughes back and we’ve got to give the young guys (Epenesa, Rousseau, Basham) a chance to show they are developing. I think they re-sign Harry and bring in a FA vet at DT. I also have a feeling they wind up re-signing Levi. They will draft at least one CB later on but I don’t see 1st round. Which brings me back to WR in another strong class. Beane has got to continue to give Josh weapons, so draft a guy with first round talent who doesn’t have to “star” immediately but can play ST and be the 4th WR in spread sets. That’s an instant upgrade to an already dangerous offense. Why do you think its clear they won't draft OL? I think OL is still very much in play. 2 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
eball Posted February 21, 2022 Share Posted February 21, 2022 29 minutes ago, GunnerBill said: Why do you think its clear they won't draft OL? I think OL is still very much in play. They're not drafting OT with Dawkins and the way I'm sure they think Brown and Doyle will develop, and I'm just philosophically opposed to drafting a guard in the 1st round unless he's an absolutely can't-miss prospect. I also think they are fine with Morse coming back at C. They'll draft a lineman or two later on. 36 minutes ago, CapeBreton said: Which WR do you want to draft in round 1? I only really want Jameson Williams at 25 if we are going WR there, he’s a home run pick. I don’t see any other WR in that range worth drafting unless someone really falls to us, If we don’t get Williams then I’d rather wait to draft a WR in round 2 or 3. Yes, Williams would be awesome but there are four or five guys I think could be solid picks at that spot. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GunnerBill Posted February 21, 2022 Share Posted February 21, 2022 (edited) 8 minutes ago, eball said: They're not drafting OT with Dawkins and the way I'm sure they think Brown and Doyle will develop, and I'm just philosophically opposed to drafting a guard in the 1st round unless he's an absolutely can't-miss prospect. I also think they are fine with Morse coming back at C. They'll draft a lineman or two later on. So I think they should be willing to draft an OT, although I do tend to agree it is unlikely. I agree they should be philosophically against a guard but I am not convinced they are. I think OL is very much still in play in the 1st, Beane has described protecting Josh as his #1 priority. Beane is generally pretty straight. He doesn't do the Buddy Nix tricks and games. When he tells you he is focused on an area he usually aggressively attacks it. Edited February 21, 2022 by GunnerBill 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Donuts and Doritos Posted February 21, 2022 Share Posted February 21, 2022 Interesting depth ranking of positional groups in the draft: (might dictate how some teams prioritize their boards) https://syndication.bleacherreport.com/amp/2952735-ranking-each-positional-group-in-the-2022-nfl-draft.amp.html 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
eball Posted February 21, 2022 Share Posted February 21, 2022 13 minutes ago, GunnerBill said: So I think they should be willing to draft an OT, although I do tend to agree it is unlikely. I agree they should be philosophically against a guard but I am not convinced they are. I think OL is very much still in play in the 1st, Beane has described protecting Josh as his #1 priority. Beane is generally pretty straight. He doesn't do the Buddy Nix tricks and games. When he tells you he is focused on an area he usually aggressively attacks it. Agreed, I just don't think that necessarily means 1st round. It means moves like Kromer, tendering Bates, a FA or two, and then finding more prospects later in the draft. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GunnerBill Posted February 21, 2022 Share Posted February 21, 2022 Just now, eball said: Agreed, I just don't think that necessarily means 1st round. It means moves like Kromer, tendering Bates, a FA or two, and then finding more prospects later in the draft. He could certainly go aggressive in free agency. That is how I'd tackle guard. I'd go after a big fish there. Andrew Norwell would be my guy. Spotrac reckon he gets $9m AAV, I'd be all over that. A 3 year deal, with an easy out after year 2 and a hit of about $4m in 2022. If they do get aggressive in FA on the OL then I might agree with you that they will certainly not go that way in round 1. However, until that happens I don't think you can say OL is off the table. 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheBeaneBandit Posted February 21, 2022 Share Posted February 21, 2022 1 hour ago, CapeBreton said: Which WR do you want to draft in round 1? I only really want Jameson Williams at 25 if we are going WR there, he’s a home run pick. I don’t see any other WR in that range worth drafting unless someone really falls to us, If we don’t get Williams then I’d rather wait to draft a WR in round 2 or 3. Burks from Arkansas would be a great pick if he lasts and Drake London from USC would add a sweet element to the offense if his injury recovery looks good. Then even Olave from Ohio St would be a strong fit imo. I'm totally open to WR if the guy is right. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheBeaneBandit Posted February 21, 2022 Share Posted February 21, 2022 33 minutes ago, GunnerBill said: He could certainly go aggressive in free agency. That is how I'd tackle guard. I'd go after a big fish there. Andrew Norwell would be my guy. Spotrac reckon he gets $9m AAV, I'd be all over that. A 3 year deal, with an easy out after year 2 and a hit of about $4m in 2022. If they do get aggressive in FA on the OL then I might agree with you that they will certainly not go that way in round 1. However, until that happens I don't think you can say OL is off the table. I'm hoping G and best fit Dline with a decent TE 2 for free agency, then let the draft fall as it may. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BarleyNY Posted February 21, 2022 Share Posted February 21, 2022 From PFN’s simulator. I wasn’t targeting a DE high, but sometimes you can’t pass up value. I think that there’s a good chance that we will see that kind of situation at 25. One or two prospects sticking out, but not at immediate need positions. 25. David Ojabo EDGE Michigan 57. Derion Kendrick CB Georgia 89. Alec Lindstrom OC Boston College 129. John Ridgeway DT Arkansas 168. Brian Robinson Jr. RB Alabama 184. Justin Shaffer OG Georgia 202. James Mitchell TE Virginia Tech 229. Jeremiah Gemmel LB North Carolina 244. Chris Oladokun QB South Dakota State 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Floydboy12 Posted February 21, 2022 Share Posted February 21, 2022 I feel like WR really drops off after 2nd round so if they’re gonna take one I hope it’s early. I also really wish we would take one of the top LB’s in first 3 rounds as a possible Edmunds replacement but I know that’s not likely to happen. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dje85 Posted February 21, 2022 Share Posted February 21, 2022 3 hours ago, Floydboy12 said: I feel like WR really drops off after 2nd round so if they’re gonna take one I hope it’s early. I also really wish we would take one of the top LB’s in first 3 rounds as a possible Edmunds replacement but I know that’s not likely to happen. I feel like you are off on this. Deep deep draft. Going to get starter level wrs in the 4 - 5th and maybe even6th round depending on what you are looking for. With us likely going the speed route we should find what we need there. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ScorpionZero Posted February 21, 2022 Share Posted February 21, 2022 (edited) 25. Drake London WR, another dimension to the offense 57. Darian Kinnard IOL, we need to get better, was rated 44th I believe 89. Cam Taylor-Britt CB, fits perfectly into our defense 128. John Ridgeway IDL, run down hunk a meat that can team up with Harry to shutdown the run 167. Alec Lindstrom IOL, center of the future, learns from Mitch. Can also play guard 183. Haskell Garrett IDL, replaces ridgeway on passing downs 201. Isaiah Thomas EDGE, fourth young edge player for youngest defensive end rotation. 228. Isaac Taylor-Stuart CB, he's got the physical attributes of Ramsey, needs coaching and reps 243. Mike Harley WR, slot, that can take the top off the D Edited February 21, 2022 by ScorpionZero 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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ScorpionZero Posted February 22, 2022 Share Posted February 22, 2022 Round 1 Pick 26: Trent McDuffie, CB, Washington (A) Round 2 Pick 26: John Metchie, WR, Alabama (A+) Round 3 Pick 26: Tyler Davis, DT, Clemson (A+) Round 4 Pick 26: Alec Lindstrom, C/OG, Boston College (A+) Round 5 Pick 26: Hassan Haskins, RB, Michigan (A+) Round 6 Pick 6: Jesse Luketa, ILB/OLB, Penn State (A+) Round 6 Pick 25: Matt Araiza, P, San Diego State (A+) Round 7 Pick 10: PJ Mustipher, DT, Penn State (A+) Round 7 Pick 26: Joshua Williams, CB, Fayetteville State (A+) 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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