GymShorts84 Posted November 7, 2021 Share Posted November 7, 2021 Allen has to do everything for this offense. The RBs have no holes and he doesn’t have time to go through his progressions. If he wasn’t so elusive we would rarely execute on 3rd and long. I’m sure Diggs and Sanders are open downfield. He needs a pocket to find them. Of course, he plays too much hero ball but it’s because it’s him or no one. 5 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Man with No Name Posted November 7, 2021 Share Posted November 7, 2021 when you never have a chance to get into a rhythm, there are going to be more mistakes on plays that should be made. By the end of the game, he probably has PTSD expecting somebody to be in his grill immediately. Whatever the case, josh usually learns from his mistakes. This game is not his fault, but he'll learn from those mistakes, and he'll win similar games in the future. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Motorin' Posted November 7, 2021 Share Posted November 7, 2021 20 minutes ago, Coach Tuesday said: I know you aren’t good at digesting things like reality and objective evidence. There are no “Allen haters” on this forum that I’m aware of. Allen had a decent first half and a four-turnover second half where he stacked bad decisions. He makes a quarter billion dollars and was completely flummoxed by the worst pass defense in the NFL. He was trash today. Jake Plummer. You said Josh Allen is Jake Plummer. And that this game showed who he will be for his entire career. You clearly don't understand how reality works. 20 minutes ago, Coach Tuesday said: I know you aren’t good at digesting things like reality and objective evidence. There are no “Allen haters” on this forum that I’m aware of. Allen had a decent first half and a four-turnover second half where he stacked bad decisions. He makes a quarter billion dollars and was completely flummoxed by the worst pass defense in the NFL. He was trash today. Jake Plummer. You said Josh Allen is Jake Plummer. And that this game showed who he will be for his entire career. You clearly don't understand how reality works. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John from Riverside Posted November 7, 2021 Share Posted November 7, 2021 I am in Josh Allen's corner all the way all day every day But he gets an F for this game from me.....franchise QBs elevate the play of the players around him (and yes I know that the OL might as well have been traffic cones today) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BillsFan1 Posted November 7, 2021 Share Posted November 7, 2021 Allen was great!!!!! Give him a game ball. The offense scored 6 points against the Jags. Played well last week also. 3 -3 at half against the fish. Thats 12 points in 6 quarters. He's rolling....MVP ish 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Coach Tuesday Posted November 7, 2021 Share Posted November 7, 2021 12 minutes ago, Big Blitz said: We threw 47 times. 9 runs. Embarrassing In a 9-6 loss!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FireChans Posted November 7, 2021 Share Posted November 7, 2021 Credit Cody Ford today. Not a lot of NFL guards would get blown past over and over again and escape a game like today. His QB and his RB’s didn’t play well and neither did the guys around him. Let’s all give Cody Ford some CREDIT. @HappyDays 1 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HappyDays Posted November 7, 2021 Author Share Posted November 7, 2021 (edited) 21 minutes ago, FireChans said: What are you even saying bro? Exactly what I said in the subject line... give Allen some credit for his play today. I'm not saying he played particularly well. Just that he was put in an impossible situation and I'm not sure any QB in the league would have done any better. Allen was the reason that we moved the ball. No circus catches. No explosive YAC plays. No big runs. Just Allen evading pressure and either running or throwing a rocket. It was basically the equivalent of Mahomes in the Super Bowl last year. No one thinks Mahomes played particularly well but he couldn't have done much more with the constant jailbreaks and receivers dropping passes. Edited November 7, 2021 by HappyDays 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BillsFan1 Posted November 7, 2021 Share Posted November 7, 2021 Hpw many turnovers did Allen have? 3 or 4., Solid day. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FilthyBeast Posted November 7, 2021 Share Posted November 7, 2021 40 minutes ago, HappyDays said: Not going to be a popular opinion but here goes. Allen fought his *** off today. He had zero help from his run game, as per usual. This doesn't need to be said but the pass protection was horrific. Allen had the **** kicked out of him all day; I'm pretty sure at one point in the 2nd half his arm was bleeding. Poor early down play calling gave us zero margin for error. There were WR drops at the worst possible times. Offensive penalties put us behind the sticks a bunch of times. I mean nothing went right. Despite all of that he hung in there and scratched and clawed to singlehandedly drag the offense down the field. Unfortunately he wasn't able to manufacture just one TD but he was put in an impossible situation. I already know people will bring up the two bad interceptions. Yep both of those were bad throws. They were also both on 3rd down when the Bills were out of field goal range either way. The interceptions did not change the game. I don't know another QB that could have even made it through the game without a serious injury, let alone won it. The offense has a lot of work to do but the last person I am worried about is #17. I'm not made at Allen, very few QB's are going to play well behind one of the worst olines in the NFL and the idiot offense coordinator is determined to get him put on IR with all the stupid play calling. But at the same time I still feel he makes very poor decisions and still doesn't protect the football nearly as good as he should. At the end of the day though QB is far from the reason why this team is 5-3 and trending downwards fast. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BillsFan1 Posted November 7, 2021 Share Posted November 7, 2021 but in his defense we cant run the ball so its asking alot of him. Powder puff offensive line. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
finn Posted November 7, 2021 Share Posted November 7, 2021 29 minutes ago, Coach Tuesday said: I know you aren’t good at digesting things like reality and objective evidence. There are no “Allen haters” on this forum that I’m aware of. Allen had a decent first half and a four-turnover second half where he stacked bad decisions. He makes a quarter billion dollars and was completely flummoxed by the worst pass defense in the NFL. He was trash today. That's absurd to call him "trash." So you think Brady or Mahomes would have done better? He had rushers in his face, he was getting hit constantly, he had no run game and no running lanes himself, and his receivers were dropping balls and mostly not getting open. Yet you're happy to call him "trash." I hope you're just venting. If not, well, I'll stop there. 2 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Virgil Posted November 7, 2021 Share Posted November 7, 2021 43 minutes ago, HappyDays said: Not going to be a popular opinion but here goes. Allen fought his *** off today. He had zero help from his run game, as per usual. This doesn't need to be said but the pass protection was horrific. Allen had the **** kicked out of him all day; I'm pretty sure at one point in the 2nd half his arm was bleeding. Poor early down play calling gave us zero margin for error. There were WR drops at the worst possible times. Offensive penalties put us behind the sticks a bunch of times. I mean nothing went right. Despite all of that he hung in there and scratched and clawed to singlehandedly drag the offense down the field. Unfortunately he wasn't able to manufacture just one TD but he was put in an impossible situation. I already know people will bring up the two bad interceptions. Yep both of those were bad throws. They were also both on 3rd down when the Bills were out of field goal range either way. The interceptions did not change the game. I don't know another QB that could have even made it through the game without a serious injury, let alone won it. The offense has a lot of work to do but the last person I am worried about is #17. Yup, unpopular opinion. I’m not saying he didn’t run for his life, but the interceptions were unforgivable. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Coach Tuesday Posted November 7, 2021 Share Posted November 7, 2021 3 minutes ago, HappyDays said: Exactly what I said in the subject line... give Allen some credit for his play today. I'm not saying he played particularly well. Just that he was put in an impossible situation and I'm not sure any QB in the league would have done any better. Allen was the reason that we moved the ball. No circus catches. No explosive YAC plays. No big runs. Just Allen evading pressure and either running or throwing a rocket. It was basically the equivalent of Mahomes in the Super Bowl last year. No one thinks Mahomes played particularly well but he couldn't have done much more with the constant jailbreaks and receivers dropping passes. I have seen Big Ben win MANY games in his career just like this one, where his line was garbage and the playcalling was odd and his receivers were uninterested. He often overcomes (or used to) those conditions. Josh was a huge part of the problem today. I’m giving him no credit for sucking and neither should you. Hell, he admitted in his post-game that he played like sh—. Blind loyalty does no favors. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BillsFan1 Posted November 7, 2021 Share Posted November 7, 2021 At the end of the day Allen did not play well. He hasn't been playing all that well for a few weeks. The offense is not scoring. It is what it is. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Coach Tuesday Posted November 7, 2021 Share Posted November 7, 2021 2 minutes ago, finn said: That's absurd to call him "trash." So you think Brady or Mahomes would have done better? He had rushers in his face, he was getting hit constantly, he had no run game and no running lanes himself, and his receivers were dropping balls and mostly not getting open. Yet you're happy to call him "trash." I hope you're just venting. If not, well, I'll stop there. Josh Allen (the QB) agrees with my take but I’m sure he appreciates the soft landing here. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BillsFan1 Posted November 7, 2021 Share Posted November 7, 2021 There are lots of factors that play into that. Thats why the Bills have Coaches, but the numbers don't lie. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AlCowlingsTaxiService Posted November 7, 2021 Share Posted November 7, 2021 Sorry. This is a homer post. Allen wasn’t THE problem but he was A problem. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
starrymessenger Posted November 7, 2021 Share Posted November 7, 2021 45 minutes ago, Freddie's Dead said: He made two bad decisions on RPO's, the one at the three where Moss got stuffed (Allen walks into the EZ if he keeps it), and the third down later in the game where the Jagoffs LB stayed home, but Josh pulled the ball out of Motor's hands, promptly ran into the LB and fumbled (Motor would have had the first down). His decision on the last Bills play to go across his body to Diggs instead of upfield to Sanders for the first down sealed our fate. Terrible read by Josh. Motor would have run for 20. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CincyBillsFan Posted November 7, 2021 Share Posted November 7, 2021 44 minutes ago, Coach Tuesday said: He played a good first half and morphed into Jake Plummer in the second half when he stopped trusting his teammates. I have very little respect for his game today. He refuses to play within the structure even when his poor decisions cost the team over and over again. Right now this is who he is. It might be who he always is - this may be his ceiling, a guy who loses patience and gets bored and desperate when things don’t break right. If so, he’ll need a lot more help around him if they ever expect a Lombardi. What structure is that? A crumbing offense line that was allowing immediate pressure up the middle AND around the end? If he plays within structure he's probably sacked a few more times and we don't covert a couple of 3rd and long plays. Does this structure include dump off passes to a TE and two RB's that can't break a tackle or make a guy miss or outrun a LB? Because I saw a lot of those types of passes today that resulted in little or know gain. Or are you talking about the structure of running draw plays and sweeps in the hopes of fooling the defense? We ran a couple of those for either no gain or a loss. I just love those 2nd and 12 situations. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BillsFan1 Posted November 7, 2021 Share Posted November 7, 2021 He was a problem. He turned the ball over all day, but go ahead and defend him. He played lights out. Some beautiful interceptions and a nice fumble too, but those plays don't matter. It's not his fault, he is the Franchise. They scored 6 points against a shaky defense. He has at least SOMETHING to do with that. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mark Vader Posted November 7, 2021 Share Posted November 7, 2021 42 minutes ago, Gene1973 said: The OP should be put in a timeout for a while. Really needs to think about what he has done. For what? Being rational? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FireChans Posted November 7, 2021 Share Posted November 7, 2021 10 minutes ago, Coach Tuesday said: I have seen Big Ben win MANY games in his career just like this one, where his line was garbage and the playcalling was odd and his receivers were uninterested. He often overcomes (or used to) those conditions. Josh was a huge part of the problem today. I’m giving him no credit for sucking and neither should you. Hell, he admitted in his post-game that he played like sh—. Blind loyalty does no favors. It doesn’t even mean Josh sucks. He just sucked today. That’s it. It’s okay for us to admit. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
starrymessenger Posted November 7, 2021 Share Posted November 7, 2021 Ever notice when the GOAT himself has a bad game, its always because he’s got defenders in his face all day taking shots. All of a sudden his passes inexplicably go awry and he misses open receivers. And PM in last year’s championship. Josh Allen wasn’t good today but I think I know why. Hero ball is the only fallback when he’s a one man show. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
finn Posted November 7, 2021 Share Posted November 7, 2021 8 minutes ago, Coach Tuesday said: Josh Allen (the QB) agrees with my take but I’m sure he appreciates the soft landing here. Not surprised. Did you expect him to blame Ford or Boettger for letting d-linemen in his face all day, or point out that Beane passed on Creed Humphrey and other interior o-lineman, then sat on his hands as the trade deadline passed? Think of what you would have said about him if he had said any of that. He's playing his role right, just like he did during the game. There's not a qb in history who would have done much better than him. I blame him for the hero interception, but that kind of play is part and parcel of his fierce competitiveness. Like the OP said, he fought his heart out when at least some of his teammates were taking the day off. And you're calling him trash. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BillsFan1 Posted November 7, 2021 Share Posted November 7, 2021 And here's my problem. I live in Jacksonville and have been a die hard Bills fan for 40 years. Now I have to hear it all week, and Allen has no bigger fan than me. No doubt powder puff oline, but it was the Jags, cmon. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lieutenant Aldo Raine Posted November 7, 2021 Share Posted November 7, 2021 46 minutes ago, Coach Tuesday said: I know you aren’t good at digesting things like reality and objective evidence. There are no “Allen haters” on this forum that I’m aware of. Allen had a decent first half and a four-turnover second half where he stacked bad decisions. He makes a quarter billion dollars and was completely flummoxed by the worst pass defense in the NFL. He was trash today. I can digest things finely; no doubt he didn't play well down the stretch. Collectively, one half of the team sucked, and Allen certainly contributed to that. I have no problem with criticism, and I am one of his biggest supporters, long before he was a Bill. It's the over the top takes from those like you who apparently struggle to digest things. 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HappyDays Posted November 7, 2021 Author Share Posted November 7, 2021 8 minutes ago, Coach Tuesday said: I have seen Big Ben win MANY games in his career just like this one, where his line was garbage and the playcalling was odd and his receivers were uninterested. He often overcomes (or used to) those conditions. I very rarely see o-line performances this bad. It really was the Bucs/Chiefs Super Bowl all over again. It is frustrating because we needed exactly 1 TD to win this game. Maybe Allen could have overcome the o-line to get that 1 TD... I just can't blame him for slowly unraveling as the game went on. And even in the 2nd half he made some incredible throws. We just couldn't finish drives. Part of the problem is we don't have any explosive players on offense. Diggs, who I love, is not explosive, he is an elite route runner and chain mover. All of our other receivers are weaker versions of that skill set. In a game like this finding just one big play for a TD would have been the difference. Since that isn't really possible we're asking Allen to move the ball 5-10 yards at a time with abysmal pass protection and no run game. It isn't realistic to expect him to win with that game script. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
npeartisgod Posted November 7, 2021 Share Posted November 7, 2021 “I'm not sure any QB in the league would have done any better. Allen was the reason that we moved the ball. No circus catches. No explosive YAC plays. No big runs. Just Allen evading pressure and either running or throwing a rocket.” wrong. Three turnovers to one single man; Josh Allen. if OUR Josh doesn’t stop his STUPID tossing the ball as he is tackled…OY. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
D. L. Hot-Flamethrower Posted November 7, 2021 Share Posted November 7, 2021 1 hour ago, HappyDays said: Not going to be a popular opinion but here goes. Allen fought his *** off today. He had zero help from his run game, as per usual. This doesn't need to be said but the pass protection was horrific. Allen had the **** kicked out of him all day; I'm pretty sure at one point in the 2nd half his arm was bleeding. Poor early down play calling gave us zero margin for error. There were WR drops at the worst possible times. Offensive penalties put us behind the sticks a bunch of times. I mean nothing went right. Despite all of that he hung in there and scratched and clawed to singlehandedly drag the offense down the field. Unfortunately he wasn't able to manufacture just one TD but he was put in an impossible situation. I already know people will bring up the two bad interceptions. Yep both of those were bad throws. They were also both on 3rd down when the Bills were out of field goal range either way. The interceptions did not change the game. I don't know another QB that could have even made it through the game without a serious injury, let alone won it. The offense has a lot of work to do but the last person I am worried about is #17. We have gotten like the Chiefs and become over reliant on Allen. The Oline problems have been hidden largely due to his play. Now we're stuck with a problem that isn't fixable in season ( as far as SB that is). 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HappyDays Posted November 7, 2021 Author Share Posted November 7, 2021 To further my point, the Cardinals without both Kyler Murray and DeAndre Hopkins are currently pantsing the 49ers. They're piecing together a run game with James Conner and Eno Benjamin. Can you imagine what our offense would look like if Allen and Diggs missed a game? 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ethan in Cleveland Posted November 7, 2021 Share Posted November 7, 2021 Three turnovers and a sack on 3rd and 8 on the final drive. I love Allen but that is garbage football. He has to play better. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
McBean Posted November 7, 2021 Share Posted November 7, 2021 #17 is the entire team. I blame Brandon Beane and Sean McDermott for not getting him more support. Outside of Diggs, this FO refuses to add weapons. You pay a guy $150 million, you do all you can to support him. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brand J Posted November 7, 2021 Share Posted November 7, 2021 (edited) The Bills just lost to a team that had won ONE GAME in the prior 23 before today. The loss wasn’t squarely on Allen, but as a quarter of a billion dollar man you’d hope for more out of your QB. He missed throws, missed reads, bailed from clean pockets, forced plays that weren’t there, etc. He needs to do better. The offensive line is trash, true, but every offensive play wasn’t a sieve. Opportunities are there and either he or his teammates (Gabe/Cole looking at you) aren’t taking advantage of them. Edited November 7, 2021 by JayBaller10 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mannc Posted November 8, 2021 Share Posted November 8, 2021 1 hour ago, HappyDays said: Not going to be a popular opinion but here goes. Allen fought his *** off today. He had zero help from his run game, as per usual. This doesn't need to be said but the pass protection was horrific. Allen had the **** kicked out of him all day; I'm pretty sure at one point in the 2nd half his arm was bleeding. Poor early down play calling gave us zero margin for error. There were WR drops at the worst possible times. Offensive penalties put us behind the sticks a bunch of times. I mean nothing went right. Despite all of that he hung in there and scratched and clawed to singlehandedly drag the offense down the field. Unfortunately he wasn't able to manufacture just one TD but he was put in an impossible situation. I already know people will bring up the two bad interceptions. Yep both of those were bad throws. They were also both on 3rd down when the Bills were out of field goal range either way. The interceptions did not change the game. I don't know another QB that could have even made it through the game without a serious injury, let alone won it. The offense has a lot of work to do but the last person I am worried about is #17. I think there is some merit to your post (especially regarding the unforgiveable drops), but it's pretty tough to give Allen much credit for putting 6 points on the board against the Jags, in perfect weather conditions. How many points would Davis Webb have put up? At least 3, right? 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HappyDays Posted November 8, 2021 Author Share Posted November 8, 2021 10 minutes ago, mannc said: How many points would Davis Webb have put up? At least 3, right? No I am almost positive we would have been shut out. There were no gimme plays today. Most of the gimmes we tried like screens and running the ball were not successful. And several plays that Allen made to get us into FG range would not have been made by Webb. I mean you watch offenses like Dallas and Arizona start backup QBs and find ways to manufacture yards and TDs, but somehow the Bills can't manufacture one TD with their starting QB in the game. It is really alarming. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mannc Posted November 8, 2021 Share Posted November 8, 2021 1 minute ago, HappyDays said: No I am almost positive we would have been shut out. There were no gimme plays today. Most of the gimmes we tried like screens and running the ball were not successful. And several plays that Allen made to get us into FG range would not have been made by Webb. I mean you watch offenses like Dallas and Arizona start backup QBs and find ways to manufacture yards and TDs, but somehow the Bills can't manufacture one TD with their starting QB in the game. It is really alarming. I suspect there would have been a different, more conservative game plan and we probably would have been able to manufacture at least two or three FGs. I'm not saying it would have been pretty, but.... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BananaB Posted November 8, 2021 Share Posted November 8, 2021 Josh will take the blame because that’s who he is. Anyone who watched the game knows this was not all on him. Oline and RBs were terrible today and our WRs dropped some balls that could of been either big plays or extended drives…. Josh will carry all the blame though and when you look at the stat sheet his 3 turnovers will pop out at ya. That was a brutal performance by the whole group in my opinion. 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sweats Posted November 8, 2021 Share Posted November 8, 2021 Yeah, Allen played friggin fantastic today........those 2 FG's were awesome...............................................................rolls eyes Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Success Posted November 8, 2021 Share Posted November 8, 2021 To me, the most alarming thing was him missing Sanders on that last play. Sanders was wide open for the 1st down, and Josh was rolling that way. It seemed like he looked right at him before forcing it in the other direction. He's doing what he can given the line, and I haven't lost faith in him - but that was a head scratcher. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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