Roundybout Posted November 7, 2021 Share Posted November 7, 2021 2 minutes ago, MAJBobby said: Please do whatever you can to sign Mike Gesicki next year to pair with Knox. then Draft OG, OG, C, CB I would do terrible things to get Gesicki in a Bills uniform. He's an absolute stud being wasted down there. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ColoradoBills Posted November 7, 2021 Share Posted November 7, 2021 1 minute ago, D. L. Hot-Flamethrower said: Does Bobby Johnson deserve blame for where the OL is right now? Does our golden boy Brandon Beane deserve any? I say YES Everyone needs to take a bite of that sandwich. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MAJBobby Posted November 7, 2021 Share Posted November 7, 2021 1 minute ago, D. L. Hot-Flamethrower said: Does Bobby Johnson deserve blame for where the OL is right now? Does our golden boy Brandon Beane deserve any? I say YES Seems he got a legit OT in Brown. Why not put Doyle on the field today McD. Obviously the Ford Williams combo wasn’t working 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
D. L. Hot-Flamethrower Posted November 7, 2021 Share Posted November 7, 2021 Just now, MAJBobby said: Seems he got a legit OT in Brown. Why not put Doyle on the field today McD. Obviously the Ford Williams combo wasn’t working I guess he thinks he's not good enough yet. Which when you think about him not being better than Ford is downright scary. 3 minutes ago, D. L. Hot-Flamethrower said: Does Bobby Johnson deserve blame for where the OL is right now? Does our golden boy Brandon Beane deserve any? I say YES I hear alot of blame going around, but I don't see these names enough. The OL has impacted the whole club negatively. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MAJBobby Posted November 7, 2021 Share Posted November 7, 2021 1 minute ago, D. L. Hot-Flamethrower said: I guess he thinks he's not good enough yet. Which when you think about him not being better than Ford is downright scary. They didn’t think Brown was good enough either. Got to play due to INJ and absolutely took the job. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JohninMinn. Posted November 7, 2021 Share Posted November 7, 2021 Worst running game and slowest running backs in the NFL. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LABILLBACKER Posted November 7, 2021 Share Posted November 7, 2021 14 minutes ago, JGMcD2 said: That’s where my post stems from… I was replying to @manncwho suggested we waive Gabriel Davis. Gotchya.....I like Gabe alot, I just think with him no longer being a big part of the offense, his confidence & focus is down. Daboll better figure all this out. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mannc Posted November 7, 2021 Share Posted November 7, 2021 15 minutes ago, JGMcD2 said: That’s where my post stems from… I was replying to @manncwho suggested we waive Gabriel Davis. I said replace him with OBJ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stevewin Posted November 7, 2021 Share Posted November 7, 2021 1 hour ago, BillsEnthusiast said: DAE Josh has regressed?!?!? DW be like Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MAJBobby Posted November 7, 2021 Share Posted November 7, 2021 2 minutes ago, mannc said: I said replace him with OBJ Who has done less in two years than Davis. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Blank Stare Posted November 7, 2021 Share Posted November 7, 2021 Cody Ford makes me miss Vlad Ducasse. Yes…he’s that bad. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JGMcD2 Posted November 7, 2021 Share Posted November 7, 2021 3 minutes ago, mannc said: I said replace him with OBJ And then you said put him on the practice squad… which would require waiving him… and then you doubled down and said you knew that getting him on the practice squad would require waiving him. Then you questioned why other teams would even consider claiming him… Deep hole to dig out of… Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rocky Landing Posted November 7, 2021 Share Posted November 7, 2021 It sickens me to think that right now, the Patriots* are the better team. 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JGMcD2 Posted November 7, 2021 Share Posted November 7, 2021 1 minute ago, MAJBobby said: Who has done less in two years than Davis. Hahaha good point. Davis had 5 less catches, but more yards and TD last year than OBJ has in the last 2 years combined 😂 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Iverwig Posted November 7, 2021 Share Posted November 7, 2021 (edited) 12 minutes ago, D. L. Hot-Flamethrower said: Does Bobby Johnson deserve blame for where the OL is right now? Does our golden boy Brandon Beane deserve any? I say YES Absolutely both Johnson and Beane deserve some blame. However, today’s loss is on everyone. Edited November 7, 2021 by Iverwig Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mannc Posted November 7, 2021 Share Posted November 7, 2021 2 minutes ago, JGMcD2 said: And then you said put him on the practice squad… which would require waiving him… and then you doubled down and said you knew that getting him on the practice squad would require waiving him. Then you questioned why other teams would even consider claiming him… Deep hole to dig out of… Post-game overreaction...so sue me Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ColoradoBills Posted November 7, 2021 Share Posted November 7, 2021 3 minutes ago, TheProcess said: Cody Ford makes me miss Vlad Ducasse. Yes…he’s that bad. I wouldn't want to have to bet on the difference. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JGMcD2 Posted November 7, 2021 Share Posted November 7, 2021 Just now, mannc said: Post-game overreaction...so sue me Or just don’t? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rocky Landing Posted November 7, 2021 Share Posted November 7, 2021 1 minute ago, mannc said: Post-game overreaction...so sue me You’re allowed. This one hurt. Bad. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bruffalo Posted November 7, 2021 Share Posted November 7, 2021 4 minutes ago, TheProcess said: Cody Ford makes me miss Vlad Ducasse. Yes…he’s that bad. Which is crazy to think about. Ford has never been good, but this season and this game he's been incredibly bad. Why is he regressing so badly? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Maine-iac Posted November 8, 2021 Share Posted November 8, 2021 Defenses are clearly lining up and playing pass. When we come out and run the ball 15 to 20 times in a half and come away with nothing I'll be whole heartedly behind mixing in screens and empty sets and trying other stuff. Defense is getting blown out and we go to throwing every down I'm all for it. Otherwise if we keep coming out and running the ball 3 or 4 times in the first half and the backs only carry it 9 or 10 times all game I will not be surprised to see turnovers and defenses sitting on all our passes. If you make an honest attempt at running the ball there are a lot of options for beating pressure besides going to empty sets and running wr jet sweeps more than actual running plays. People are blaming the backs more and more but I have seen no evidence to support that at all. The less carries they give Singletary the worse the offense looks. Singletary definitely is a back who pops off chunk runs but he's not going to do that when he gets 6 carries a game. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Norcalbillsfan Posted November 8, 2021 Share Posted November 8, 2021 10 minutes ago, D. L. Hot-Flamethrower said: I guess he thinks he's not good enough yet. Which when you think about him not being better than Ford is downright scary. Ya that is scary, maybe this was the last effort in hopes that it might click for Ford or see some flashes and not go down as a massive bust? But after today I gotta imagine there's guys on the streets that could fill in better than ford. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ShakAttack Posted November 8, 2021 Share Posted November 8, 2021 Horrible performance on offense but without a doubt EVERYTHING that could’ve went wrong, went wrong. Speaking of which… whatever happened to Tre White on that dropped int late in the 4th quarter? He okay? I missed the first half but watched the entire 2nd.. about the ONLY break I can think of us getting was the missed deep ball by TLaw that would’ve put the game away right then and there. the other 15+ “Things that could go wrong” went wrong for the Bills Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brianmoorman4jesus Posted November 8, 2021 Share Posted November 8, 2021 I have a thought and I’m not sure if I know the answer. Why don’t we use Gilliam in pass protection? It’s not like he can’t catch and it’s not like he can’t run. Use him in the backfield and a RB on pass plays. He could give Josh real strong pass protection from a RB and he can make plays in the passing game. He was a TE Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
muppy Posted November 8, 2021 Share Posted November 8, 2021 2 hours ago, Rock-A-Bye Beasley said: No passes to the end zone at all and no potential PI calls either *lament Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mannc Posted November 8, 2021 Share Posted November 8, 2021 This is for those of you who said a Bills lineman moved on the 4th and 2 play. Spoiler alert: Did not happen. 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CincyBillsFan Posted November 8, 2021 Share Posted November 8, 2021 7 minutes ago, Maine-iac said: Defenses are clearly lining up and playing pass. When we come out and run the ball 15 to 20 times in a half and come away with nothing I'll be whole heartedly behind mixing in screens and empty sets and trying other stuff. Defense is getting blown out and we go to throwing every down I'm all for it. Otherwise if we keep coming out and running the ball 3 or 4 times in the first half and the backs only carry it 9 or 10 times all game I will not be surprised to see turnovers and defenses sitting on all our passes. If you make an honest attempt at running the ball there are a lot of options for beating pressure besides going to empty sets and running wr jet sweeps more than actual running plays. People are blaming the backs more and more but I have seen no evidence to support that at all. The less carries they give Singletary the worse the offense looks. Singletary definitely is a back who pops off chunk runs but he's not going to do that when he gets 6 carries a game. I don't know. I haven't seen anything from our RB's to make me believe that feeding them the ball 20 times wouldn't result in a lot of 3 and outs. The Bills RB's are small, slow and don't make people miss. Today the backs were one on one in space several times and didn't make the defenders miss. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Heels20X6 Posted November 8, 2021 Share Posted November 8, 2021 35 minutes ago, Toyo321 said: I agree but our running backs are not what I consider even close to elite either. They don't have elite speed, they are only average on catching balls, they are below average when it comes to avoiding contact by the first defender at the LOS, they can never seem to find or squeeze through a small seam or gap that a lot of other running backs typically do. We just seem to be missing the bigger stronger back that has the speed and can hit the LOS with quickness when its needed and sorely missed. Moss has shown glimpses of talent. He’d be an acceptable #2 back. Singletary is busted though. Slow and indecisive. 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Miyagi-Do Karate Posted November 8, 2021 Share Posted November 8, 2021 3 minutes ago, mannc said: This is for those of you who said a Bills lineman moved on the 4th and 2 play. Spoiler alert: Did not happen. i re-watched it after it happened and I just watched it there. Ike flinched a little first— very slight. 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mannc Posted November 8, 2021 Share Posted November 8, 2021 Just now, Miyagi-Do Karate said: i re-watched it after it happened and I just watched it there. Ike flinched a little first— very slight. If by ‘flinched” you mean breathed air, then maybe… Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Blank Stare Posted November 8, 2021 Share Posted November 8, 2021 8 minutes ago, Bruffalo said: Which is crazy to think about. Ford has never been good, but this season and this game he's been incredibly bad. Why is he regressing so badly? Great question. I thought he was too slow as a tackle. First year proved that. Count me in as someone who thought he’d make a great guard. Wrong. I’m sure being yanked in and out of the lineup has done little for his confidence, but I don’t think he’s that good. All that said, my finger is starting to point squarely at Bobby Johnson a bit. The oline coach. I’m starting to think the guy isn’t that good. I get that they haven’t stocked the cupboard with a ton of talent (that’s on Beane), but come on dude. This is embarrassing. We get zero push in the run game since he’s been here. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
buffalo2218 Posted November 8, 2021 Share Posted November 8, 2021 1 minute ago, Miyagi-Do Karate said: i re-watched it after it happened and I just watched it there. Ike flinched a little first— very slight. I saw the same thing, seemed to me he leaned backward just a slight little bit. Odd tho, from what I read through the GDT, Jags O lineman were false starting left and right and weren't called 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Miyagi-Do Karate Posted November 8, 2021 Share Posted November 8, 2021 22 minutes ago, stevewin said: DW be like that was the play of the game too. Even if it is an incomplete pass, we kick a game tying FG there. What was DE doing? also, note how bad they got beat on the stunt on the other side. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
astb41 Posted November 8, 2021 Share Posted November 8, 2021 I’m on vacation and missed the game and just saw the score. Can’t wait to watch this one on game pass after reading these threads 🤦🏻♂️ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Miyagi-Do Karate Posted November 8, 2021 Share Posted November 8, 2021 2 minutes ago, mannc said: If by ‘flinched” you mean breathed air, then maybe… you can see it better on TV or a less grainy screen. I was sure it was on the jags, but when I rewound it, it was clearly on Ike. 1 minute ago, buffalo2218 said: I saw the same thing, seemed to me he leaned backward just a slight little bit. Odd tho, from what I read through the GDT, Jags O lineman were false starting left and right and weren't called the jags line seemed to move early all game. It was really odd. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Maine-iac Posted November 8, 2021 Share Posted November 8, 2021 (edited) 9 minutes ago, CincyBillsFan said: I don't know. I haven't seen anything from our RB's to make me believe that feeding them the ball 20 times wouldn't result in a lot of 3 and outs. The Bills RB's are small, slow and don't make people miss. Today the backs were one on one in space several times and didn't make the defenders miss. Singletary carried 6 times and 3 out of the 6 carries were for 4 or more yards. That said 6 carries isn't enough for any back. For the season if he gets more than 10 carries he's averaging more than 60 yards. When he gets carries the production is there. Edited November 8, 2021 by Maine-iac 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RichRiderBills Posted November 8, 2021 Share Posted November 8, 2021 10 minutes ago, mannc said: This is for those of you who said a Bills lineman moved on the 4th and 2 play. Spoiler alert: Did not happen. I can see the flinch...he did move, its really crazy nothing though. I thought there were worse calls in the game. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mannc Posted November 8, 2021 Share Posted November 8, 2021 1 minute ago, RichRiderBills said: I can see the flinch...he did move, its really crazy nothing though. I thought there were worse calls in the game. Sorry, I don't see it. He moves only after the Jag crosses the LOS... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CEN-CAL17 Posted November 8, 2021 Share Posted November 8, 2021 1 minute ago, RichRiderBills said: I can see the flinch...he did move, its really crazy nothing though. I thought there were worse calls in the game. Lol considering their whole right side jumped a full second before the ball was snapped and, no false start 3 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Norcalbillsfan Posted November 8, 2021 Share Posted November 8, 2021 4 minutes ago, TheProcess said: Great question. I thought he was too slow as a tackle. First year proved that. Count me in as someone who thought he’d make a great guard. Wrong. I’m sure being yanked in and out of the lineup has done little for his confidence, but I don’t think he’s that good. All that said, my finger is starting to point squarely at Bobby Johnson a bit. The oline coach. I’m starting to think the guy isn’t that good. I get that they haven’t stocked the cupboard with a ton of talent (that’s on Beane), but come on dude. This is embarrassing. We get zero push in the run game since he’s been here. Like your take, when our 2nd half issues were in full swing last year many immediately said it was a coaching issue. And now looking at our line performance from last year and this year even when healthy has arguably regressed. Not alot of people have talked about the coaching, im not saying that's the definite problem but it's a fair question to ask. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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