Aaron Rodgers out with Covid, now back but has Covid toe. No, Broken Toe.

[Hapless Bills Fan]

5 minutes ago, SirAndrew said:

I think that’s where people are a bit confused though. I’m not stating my beliefs or opinions, but I’m not sure if NFL players should have an expectation of privacy. There are countless scenarios that can happen which gives away ones vaccination status. If you feel the question shouldn’t be asked by the media, I understand that, but I don’t think a player should assume they’ll be able to keep it private. 

 

A number of players have stated they want to keep that information "in house" or "private" when asked.  Allen is one of them.  For the most part that's been respected. 

 

I don't think it's "off limits" to the press to ask, though, because of the potential impact on game availability.  But the player need not answer.

 

The NFLPA was concerned about "tells" giving away a player's vaccination status and negotiated several changes to the original NFL proposals.

For example, originally players were supposed to wear different colored bracelets, and active players were supposed to mask on the sidelines during a game.

 

Those both went away.

 

The place where a player's right to medical privacy collides with "the public's right to know" is where it impacts the player's game availability (eg injury reports that list "ankle" or "shoulder" albeit not necessarily more), their practice status, and their game status on Friday.  So when they test positive or are exposed, and the protocols dictate different actions and timelines, that pretty much becomes an unavoidable "tell".

[Buffalo_Stampede]

I promise you the NFL does not want Rodgers out there talking about this. Rodgers knows exactly what he's doing. 

[The Wiz]

7 minutes ago, Brueggs said:

True, and Rogers should have had a readily crafted answer given the current climate, but he didn't.  Google JA and his status.  The fist thing that pops up is "For Buffalo Bills, covid 19 issues keep threatening to take down the team".  So yes, Allen handled it better, but there was some fall out.  With so much happening, all of these stories are short lived.

It was short lived in Allen's case because they were looking for anything to punch holes in and he provided nothing. 

 

Rodgers gave the media a wet paper bag with his "immunized" statement. 

[Brueggs]

12 minutes ago, SirAndrew said:

I think that’s where people are a bit confused though. I’m not stating my beliefs or opinions, but I’m not sure if NFL players should have an expectation of privacy. There are countless scenarios that can happen which gives away ones vaccination status. If you feel the question shouldn’t be asked by the media, I understand that, but I don’t think a player should assume they’ll be able to keep it private. 

For sure NFL players sacrifice privacy, it goes with the territory.  And your right, declining to answer is essentially the equivalent of saying your not vaxed.  Unfortunately, its a very private matter that is being cast into the public eye to create division.

[Ed_Formerly_of_Roch]

10 minutes ago, dollars 2 donuts said:

This is all ridiculous as the NFL and the Packers are missing a golden opportunity.

 

They should petition him to be able to play.  He can wear a mask.  Since social distancing will be in effect no one will be able to get within six feet of him, so sacks are out.  He can run everything out of the shotgun and do pitches for running plays.

 

The huddle is a little bit of an issue, but still, they can make it work if he just steps back a bit and isn't very loud.  They can give him the plays right into his helmet from the sidelines.

 

Where others see only obstacles I see opportunity.  

 

 

 

Rodgers stands 10 feet away, with a paper cup and a string to the rest of the huddle!

 

I do find his press conference today to be a bit interesting in that he claims to not have got the vaccine because he's allergic to some ingredients.  If that's the case, then why go off on "woke mobs and cancel culture" in the next statement as the allergic claim would be a valid reason for not getting it, make your whole statement about that alone.  If he's trying to make it into being about both, really makes me question the allergic claim.

[ndirish1978]

1 hour ago, appoo said:

Do you also begrudgingly agree with him put his teammates and coworkers - any of whom can be at risk vaxxed or unvaxed - by lying and then proceeding to ignore safety protocols?

 

This is a dumb narrative. His teammates and the league knew his status and he followed protocols outside of the mask at press conferences. As many others have stated, it's his right to disclose or not disclose. If you want to call him a liar for saying "immunized", ok. I don't have an issue with ever misleading the media. The media and public don't have a right to any information.

[Magox]

16 minutes ago, wjag said:

IMO.  Aaron Rodgers exited the MVP race this week.  Voters will/can forget the week 1 blemish/debacle. But this will tarnish his image and standing.   

 

To half of the population it will.

[QCity]

The man is taking medical advice from Joe Rogan. 

[Ed_Formerly_of_Roch]

9 minutes ago, Hapless Bills Fan said:

 

A number of players have stated they want to keep that information "in house" or "private" when asked.  Allen is one of them.  For the most part that's been respected. 

 

I don't think it's "off limits" to the press to ask, though, because of the potential impact on game availability.  But the player need not answer.

 

The NFLPA was concerned about "tells" giving away a player's vaccination status and negotiated several changes to the original NFL proposals.

For example, originally players were supposed to wear different colored bracelets, and active players were supposed to mask on the sidelines during a game.

 

Those both went away.

 

The place where a player's right to medical privacy collides with "the public's right to know" is where it impacts the player's game availability (eg injury reports that list "ankle" or "shoulder" albeit not necessarily more), their practice status, and their game status on Friday.  So when they test positive or are exposed, and the protocols dictate different actions and timelines, that pretty much becomes an unavoidable "tell".

 

Recall a few years back, there was the lineman on the Bills, think his name was Henderson who was out for a non football related reason, think he almost died from it.  Many here were posting how we have a "right to know"   When non football injury, then no we don't.  We may be told if the player wants to let us know, but we don't have a right.

[aristocrat]

I bet a lot of people are gonna change their minds today

[Hapless Bills Fan]

1 hour ago, HamSandwhich said:

There are more than 1 way to skin a cat?  Kidding aside, I can see where you're coming from but I appreciate where he's coming from with the what I think is craziness surrounding all things COVID.  

 

As far as "more than 1 way to skin a cat", the NFL has very specific definitions of what "vaccinated" means:

 

https://www.msn.com/en-us/sports/nfl/explainer-rodgers-and-how-the-nfls-covid-19-protocols-work/ar-AAQmGOh

 

In addition the above does IMO a pretty good job of explaining some points that we haven't been aware of:

Quote

WHO IS RESPONSIBLE FOR KNOWING A PLAYER'S VACCINE STATUS?

Each of the 32 NFL teams. Players must submit proof of vaccination to the team, not to the league office.

 

So the league, watching pressers, has no way of knowing whether the players are vaccinated or not, that is "on" the clubs to track.

 

Quote

WHAT IS CONSIDERED SUFFICIENT VACCINATION?

Players must take two shots of one of the approved vaccinations under NFL protocols — Pfizer or Moderna — or one dose of the Johnson & Johnson. As Dr. Allen Sills, the league’s chief medical officer, has explained, players who have been previously documented with having had COVID-19 could be considered protected with one shot of those vaccines.

There’s also the possibility of a player having antibody levels that show a previous case of the coronavirus, and they can receive one shot to be protected.

“We have very clear protocols on vaccination requirements and what can be considered as being fully vaccinated under those protocols,” Sills said.

 

Here are the league's protocols as of Aug 30 although I think there have been a few revisions since then:

https://static.www.nfl.com/image/upload/v1630429861/league/fq1xlxxulwwwi0hi377l.pdf

Quote

For purposes of these Protocols “Fully Vaccinated” means
that 14 days have passed since the individual received his
or her last dose of the applicable vaccine (a single dose of
Johnson & Johnson, or the second dose of Pfizer or
Moderna) OR the individual has previously tested positive
for COVID-19 as documented by (i) a valid rt-PCR test or
(ii) a quantitative antibody test (taken at the Club facility
and administered by BioReference Laboratory personnel
after August 26, 2021 and before the individual has
received any dose of a COVID vaccine) demonstrating
COVID total antibody levels (IgG, IgA, IgM) to the spike
protein of 100 U/mL or greater, and a positive antibody test
to the COVID IgG nucleocapsid protein, and 14 days have
passed since the individual received one dose of any
COVID vaccine (Johnson & Johnson, Pfizer or Moderna).

 

So it's pretty well defined.  You can't get vaccinated with any of the vaccines approved by WHO but not FDA. 

Homeopathic "immunization" is also not part of the definition. 

 

3 minutes ago, Ed_Formerly_of_Roch said:

 

Recall a few years back, there was the lineman on the Bills, think his name was Henderson who was out for a non football related reason, think he almost died from it.  Many here were posting how we have a "right to know"   When non football injury, then no we don't.  We may be told if the player wants to let us know, but we don't have a right.

 

Seantrel Henderson.  He had Crohn's Disease. 

 

I don't recall the "right to know" posting, but I don't disbelieve you either.

 

I do recall him being pretty open about it, partly as a public service to let people know if they had these symptoms to get checked.

 

I agree with you, the public does not have a 'right to know'.

[Buffalo_Stampede]

17 minutes ago, cba fan said:

i have no memory, evidence, proof, or read or seen anything that McKenzie ever lied about his vax status.

He got vaccinated for real a few days later.

 

 

Edited November 5, 2021 by Buffalo_Stampede

[Hapless Bills Fan]

4 minutes ago, Buffalo_Stampede said:

He got vaccinated for real a few days later.

 

 

 

Yeah, some people were "on him" for saying that a day or 2 before he actually got jabbed but I gave him the benefit of the doubt for speaking to his intention, since he actually promptly did it.

 

11 minutes ago, Magox said:

 

To half of the population it will.

 

Who the hell votes for MVP anyway, is it a population wide vote or ??

 

I'm a little confused though - when I grew up, most everyone seemed to believe lying was Wrong.  That change?

[Brueggs]

13 minutes ago, The Wiz said:

It was short lived in Allen's case because they were looking for anything to punch holes in and he provided nothing. 

 

Rodgers gave the media a wet paper bag with his "immunized" statement. 

Yes, a mistake on his part.  If he keeps talking, it will drag out, but if he pipes down, it will die off with the next big story.

[Beach]

its hard to keep up with all the new definitions of words.

[Warcodered]

30 minutes ago, wjag said:

IMO.  Aaron Rodgers exited the MVP race this week.  Voters will/can forget the week 1 blemish/debacle. But this will tarnish his image and standing.   

I mean there is a lot of Football left to go.

 

oddly enough he didn't include this part.

Quote

I hope you are able to see the distinction I am trying to point out. In no sense do I advocate evading or defying the law, as would the rabid segregationist. That would lead to anarchy. One who breaks an unjust law must do so openly, lovingly, and with a willingness to accept the penalty. I submit that an individual who breaks a law that conscience tells him is unjust, and who willingly accepts the penalty of imprisonment in order to arouse the conscience of the community over its injustice, is in reality expressing the highest respect for law.

 

[Hapless Bills Fan]

1 hour ago, cba fan said:

Aaron is still lying. He went to Halloween party with over 3 team members present. He made adds and media(State Farm) which was prohibited per protocols union agreed to. Taking unapproved for covid horse dewormer is not immunized. So he lied about that.

It is a pandemic of the unvaxxed so he lied about that too. And very very likely he could not know he is allergic to anything in those vaccines, because he and others keep saying "we don't know what is in them"

 

I haven't heard Aaron Rodgers say "we don't know what is in them", nor did he claim ivermectin = immunization.  Am I wrong?

 

Both the mRNA vaccines contain polyethelene glycol 2000.  PEG allergy is an established "thing", which can be verified by skin prick or intradermal tests.  It is rare, but possible he may have it.   It would impact the person's ability to use a wide number of medications and cosmetic products as well as these specific vaccines.

 

I don't know if he made the State Farm ads or other prohibited appearances during the season - do you?

 

I did hear he had a Halloween party at his house and went to a party with the team, which would appear to be a protocol violation.  Wonder if the NFL will try to investigate that and/or how far they'll get if they do.

 

I'm not a "fan" of Rodgers behavior but I am trying to be fair here.

 

 

[The Wiz]

19 minutes ago, Brueggs said:

Yes, a mistake on his part.  If he keeps talking, it will drag out, but if he pipes down, it will die off with the next big story.

In the media, yes. It's old news once it quiets down. In social media, doubt he will ever live it down. 

 

As pointed out by Sal, people still have "no goal" stickers on their cars. 

 

Fans don't forget. 

Edited November 5, 2021 by The Wiz

[QCity]

Matt LaFleur just gave an epic press conference, he looks like a man about to snap.  "Ask me a question about the Chiefs or our football team, I'm not gonna answer anything else."

 

Reporter: "I'm sorry to ask this because I don't think you've seen the interview..."

LaFleur: "THEN DON'T ASK IT, LANCE"

 

 

[SirAndrew]

2 minutes ago, QCity said:

Matt LaFleur just gave an epic press conference, he looks like a man about to snap.  "Ask me a question about the Chiefs or our football team, I'm not gonna answer anything else."

 

Reporter: "I'm sorry to ask this because I don't think you've seen the interview..."

LaFleur: "THEN DON'T ASK IT, LANCE"

 

 

LaFleur has done a great job coaching, but I feel for him. He kind of comes across as Rodgers patsy. 

[HappyDays]

31 minutes ago, Ed_Formerly_of_Roch said:

I do find his press conference today to be a bit interesting in that he claims to not have got the vaccine because he's allergic to some ingredients.  If that's the case, then why go off on "woke mobs and cancel culture" in the next statement as the allergic claim would be a valid reason for not getting it, make your whole statement about that alone.  If he's trying to make it into being about both, really makes me question the allergic claim.

 

Also the allergy is only tied to 2 of the vaccines. His stated reason for not taking the 3rd vaccine (the Johnson & Johnson one) is because it was tied to blood clots. But based on data that is a poor excuse.

 

https://www.yalemedicine.org/news/coronavirus-vaccine-blood-clots

 

Quote

By May, 9 million doses had been administered and the number of rare blood clot cases had grown to 28, six of them in men, according to the CDC.

 

If you assume 50% of the 9 million doses went to men, that is an incidence rate of 0.00013333%, AKA 1.33 in a million chance for men. The chance of him having a severe covid case is much greater than that.

[Hapless Bills Fan]

49 minutes ago, QCity said:

Matt LaFleur just gave an epic press conference, he looks like a man about to snap.  "Ask me a question about the Chiefs or our football team, I'm not gonna answer anything else."

 

Reporter: "I'm sorry to ask this because I don't think you've seen the interview..."

LaFleur: "THEN DON'T ASK IT, LANCE"

 

 

 

Linky?

 

Although I must say, Flores should "take a Memo" from this.  Way to tame the press corps, LaFleur - Whip and Chair optional!

[Dukestreetking]

Hall monitor here:

 

can we please/please keep the discussion w/n parameters suggested by Hap above?

 

I'm not trying to be The Forum D-bag, but some are way over their skis (exception @Ham Sandwich) talking about this/that treatment or drug.

 

Towards this end, I will not give an opinion re monoclonals, mR vax effectiveness, ivermectin value, etc.

 

Imho, the biggest issue is AR as player rep in light of Shield-NFLPA agreement, and behaviors that followed. "Lying" publicly is relatively less important.

[Hapless Bills Fan]

17 minutes ago, HappyDays said:

 

Also the allergy is only tied to 2 of the vaccines. His stated reason for not taking the 3rd vaccine (the Johnson & Johnson one) is because it was tied to blood clots. But based on data that is a poor excuse.

 

https://www.yalemedicine.org/news/coronavirus-vaccine-blood-clots

 

If you assume 50% of the 9 million doses went to men, that is an incidence rate of 0.00013333%, AKA 1.33 in a million chance for men. The chance of him having a severe covid case is much greater than that.

 

Rodgers said "yeah" to "are you vaccinated?" and then "I've been immunized" during an August 26 interview.  He said the J&J vaccine was "not an option" for him because it was stopped for blood clots "at that time".  Use of the J&J vaccine was paused for 10 days (April 13-April 23) to allow records review, after which the rarity of the blood clots was determined to be 7 in 1 million in women 18-49 and rarer than that for men or women over 50.   

 

He doesn't want to get vaccinated for Covid- which is 100% his right under the NFLPA/NFL CBA.  He owes no one an explanation of exercising that right.

 

Why lie about it?  That's just being a p i e less little worm, when you don't have to be.

 

Especially don't lay claim to some kind of retroactive moral high ground for resisting "unjust" laws you lied to avoid scrutiny for instead of taking a stance.

 

 

[cba fan]

38 minutes ago, Hapless Bills Fan said:

 

I haven't heard Aaron Rodgers say "we don't know what is in them", nor did he claim ivermectin = immunization.  Am I wrong?

 

Both the mRNA vaccines contain polyethelene glycol 2000.  PEG allergy is an established "thing", which can be verified by skin prick or intradermal tests.  It is rare, but possible he may have it.   It would impact the person's ability to use a wide number of medications and cosmetic products as well as these specific vaccines.

 

I don't know if he made the State Farm ads or other prohibited appearances during the season - do you?

 

I did hear he had a Halloween party at his house and went to a party with the team, which would appear to be a protocol violation.  Wonder if the NFL will try to investigate that and/or how far they'll get if they do.

 

I'm not a "fan" of Rodgers behavior but I am trying to be fair here.

 

 

he said he was immunized and now we know he meant because he took ivermectin that his new "best friend" (Rogan(lol) who took it and promoted it) Rodgers alluded recommended it.

 

It has been widely reported he made some of the adds after being told by NFL he is in unvaxx category.

most anit vaxxers cry no one should take vaccines because we don't know what is in them. I was being somewhat facetious on that. Rodgers never claimed that that i know of.

 

yes he could be allergic but it is super rare as no latex, mercury, eggs, or gelatin, are in these.

[NoHuddleKelly12]

I really like Pat McAfee, find him incredibly entertaining etc., but this fawning interview was painful in how obviously Pat was walking on eggshells not to step on Aaron’s toes in anyway or call him out on his obfuscating B.S., imho. 

[Warcodered]

5 minutes ago, cba fan said:

he said he was immunized and now we know he meant because he took ivermectin that his new "best friend" (Rogan(lol) who took it and promoted it) Rodgers alluded recommended it.

 

It has been widely reported he made some of the adds after being told by NFL he is in unvaxx category.

most anit vaxxers cry no one should take vaccines because we don't know what is in them. I was being somewhat facetious on that. Rodgers never claimed that that i know of.

 

yes he could be allergic but it is super rare as no latex, mercury, eggs, or gelatin, are in these.

I mean did he specifically say what he did or is that something people are inferring from talking about taking advice from Joe Rogan who is know for that? The allergy thing is something real people deal with with vaccines and why getting to herd immunity is so important, though I will say given Rodgers level of honesty on this issue so far not sure I buy him being one of them.

2 minutes ago, NoHuddleKelly12 said:

I really like Pat McAfee, find him incredibly entertaining etc., but this fawning interview was painful in how obviously Pat was walking on eggshells not to step on Aaron’s toes in anyway or call him out on his obfuscating B.S., imho. 

I think he mostly was just giving Aaron a platform to speak out, and afterwards he basically stayed in the middle and stayed safe but took shots at the outrage hype machine from both sides which is fair.

[cba fan]

5 minutes ago, Warcodered said:

I mean did he specifically say what he did or is that something people are inferring from talking about taking advice from Joe Rogan who is know for that? The allergy thing is something real people deal with with vaccines and why getting to herd immunity is so important, though I will say given Rodgers level of honesty on this issue so far not sure I buy him being one of them.

I think he mostly was just giving Aaron a platform to speak out, and afterwards he basically stayed in the middle and stayed safe but took shots at the outrage hype machine from both sides which is fair.

https://www.cnbc.com/2021/11/05/aaron-rodgers-says-hes-unvaccinated-takes-ivermectin-and-bashes-woke-mob.html

Edited November 5, 2021 by cba fan

[Warcodered]

 

[Hapless Bills Fan]

26 minutes ago, cba fan said:

he said he was immunized and now we know he meant because he took ivermectin that his new "best friend" (Rogan(lol) who took it and promoted it) Rodgers alluded recommended it.

 

I thought he meant he took the ivermectin for his current covid infection, for which the mfr, FDA, and WHO say "no evidence it's effective."

 

26 minutes ago, cba fan said:

It has been widely reported he made some of the adds after being told by NFL he is in unvaxx category.

 

OK, not cool then and I hope the NFL takes some action against him, especially since they went for my boi Lil Dirty and Beasley over being briefly unmasked.

 

26 minutes ago, cba fan said:

yes he could be allergic but it is super rare as no latex, mercury, eggs, or gelatin, are in these.

 

As indicated above, allergy to PEG-2000 is documented, although it's believed to be rare.  It can be determined by skin test or intradermal test.  It would impact his ability to receive a number of medications, some of which are fairly commonly used to treat injuries that might occur in football.

 

Edit: given AR's now-known history of being honest and transparent, who knows what he actually meant by "allergy?"

[NoHuddleKelly12]

19 minutes ago, cba fan said:

he said he was immunized and now we know he meant because he took ivermectin that his new "best friend" (Rogan(lol) who took it and promoted it) Rodgers alluded recommended it.

 

It has been widely reported he made some of the adds after being told by NFL he is in unvaxx category.

most anit vaxxers cry no one should take vaccines because we don't know what is in them. I was being somewhat facetious on that. Rodgers never claimed that that i know of.

 

yes he could be allergic but it is super rare as no latex, mercury, eggs, or gelatin, are in these.

Since it is Aaron we’re talking about here, perhaps we will find out in a few month’s time that what he meant when he said “I have an allergy” to these ingredients, is that he’s mentally allergic and distressed about the idea of those ingredients being injected into his arm…is that how speaking your truth works Mr Rodgers?  🧐

[K-9]

I’d be interested in knowing how and where he gained access to monoclonal antibody treatment. 

[YoloinOhio]

🤥

[QCity]

19 minutes ago, K-9 said:

I’d be interested in knowing how and where he gained access to monoclonal antibody treatment. 

 

It's starting to become available to the public in certain areas.

 

When your net worth is $100M++ a lot of doors can be opened.

[HalftimeAdjustment]

I would like to avoid Aaron Rodgers appearing on my TV. The news just played a clip of him. Please... I hope he recovers without complication, but in the meantime can we just ignore him? He is an idiot and not trustworthy (imo), so I want to move on.

 

[Ed_Formerly_of_Roch]

1 hour ago, HappyDays said:

 

Also the allergy is only tied to 2 of the vaccines. His stated reason for not taking the 3rd vaccine (the Johnson & Johnson one) is because it was tied to blood clots. But based on data that is a poor excuse.

 

https://www.yalemedicine.org/news/coronavirus-vaccine-blood-clots

 

 

If you assume 50% of the 9 million doses went to men, that is an incidence rate of 0.00013333%, AKA 1.33 in a million chance for men. The chance of him having a severe covid case is much greater than that.

 

Yeah, he has an excuse or explanation for everything.  Interesting during the interview today he was asked specifically how his program boosts his immunity.  He gave this long answer that said nothing to the actual question asked following up with something to the effect of: "I'm not going to disclose my personal information"  That's a perfectly valid response in most situation like Josh Allens response.  But for Rodgers he's no longer in a position where he can afford to use that excuse when his entire purpose of doing this interview was basically for damage control. 

 

Seemed he tried to still come across as he understands this much better than everyone else so his actions were responsible. Don't think that's going to fly much at this point.

 

I'm guessing tomorrows headlines are for the most part going to still crucify him and probably as we speak Jimmy Fallon and all the later night show writers are busy with putting together some good Aaron Rodgers lines for use.

[RiotAct]

he’s going off the rails on the crazy traaaiiiiinnnnn….

[Rico]

2 hours ago, Buffalo_Stampede said:

He got vaccinated for real a few days later.

 

 

Mason Prince.  

[BillsFan4]

4 hours ago, HappyDays said:

 

Taking medical advice from Joe Rogan and using an out of context Martin Luther King Jr quote. This is going well. The good news is Cole Beasley is no longer the center of the anti-vax NFL crowd.

I think Aaron Rodgers should start taking advise on NFL football from me. I have just as much relevant experience + training as Joe Rogan does with medicine/covid, if not more! 😁

 

I’ve never had any high level coaching or training or anything like that but so what! Do you know how many YouTube videos I’ve watched on football? Tons!

So obviously my opinion should carry as much weight as his NFL coaches who have spent countless hours training in their profession.

[HalftimeAdjustment]

49 minutes ago, K-9 said:

I’d be interested in knowing how and where he gained access to monoclonal antibody treatment. 

 

I am interested in how he carefully researched it before putting it in his body, and what long term safety studies he reviewed.

 

Oh wait... no I am not interested. Not in the least.