Highmark Stadium now requiring vaccination for entry

[fasteddie]

51 minutes ago, PolishDave said:

 

But it doesn't stop it entirely.

 

Just like doubling Heyward didn't stop him entirely.

 

Why even bother?   We should have dedicated those blockers to other guys.   That would have worked better.    Makes sense no? 😆

Don't go and start confusing everyone by talking football. 😉

[Mr. K]

3 hours ago, CountDorkula said:

They will very much miss you.

 

Im sure the bills will reach out to you personally.

Probably about the same time you conceptualize the referential joke

[HereComesTheReignAgain]

3 hours ago, ChasBB said:

There will be lawsuits.  This is unconstitutional.

Save your dislikes for someone that cares.  I'm just telling you how this will go down.
Doubt me?  Save this post and revisit a month or two from now.

It is not unconstitutional.  And before you waste your time again, it is also not a HIPAA violation (or HIPPA as most of the anti vaxers call it).

[Careca]

1 minute ago, BUFFALOBART said:

There is a perception that a Magic Wand was waved, RE: the COVID Vaccine, when clearly, that was not the case.

Exactly. I am glad we can agree that there are gaps in the understanding of the long term safety and efficacy of this treatment. Most people are unwilling to respect that truth and just demand that others accept this experiment. I am glad that there are some folks who are willing to respect that such things are still not fully tested, and that doubt is reasonable to have.

 

Conversely, I totally understand why most feel that the risk is worthwhile for the common good.

 

It is nice to talk to somebody who can see the viewpoint of others even if they disagree with them.

[CountDorkula]

33 minutes ago, Hapless Bills Fan said:

The key question is “when?”

 

I believe that was true in Spring and may still be true in some places where vax levels are high like MD MA NY

 

It’s so far from true in rural MO and GA this summer that it’s laughable.  Boots on the floor accounts.

The place where i used to live in GA has been over 100% hospital capacity for months now.

Very low vax rates.

They called in national guard for help. Still calling for it.

They are turning people away. 

It was rural GA.

[Sundancer]

36 minutes ago, Ned Flanders said:

Which exact app did you use?  TIA.

 

The Clear app. There's a section for uploading your vaccine card once you install it. Very straightforward. 

[stevewin]

1 hour ago, ArdmoreRyno said:

 

 

I think these numbers are way off because?

 

8 members of my immedicate family are fully vaccinated, including myself: Ex-wife (who travels with me for our girls college events), both my girls, my niece (lives with my parents) and both my parents. FOUR of us got it and two of us spread it to another person in our family, 6 weeks apart. I gave it to my ex on our trip to move our youngest in to Ole Miss and my dad gave it to my mother, who is now hospitalized. PS: My father wears a mask during 95% of his working hours... and gloves. 

How does this make the data the CDC has gathered on the general population wrong?  Also how can you know for certain exactly how each person contracted it?

Edited September 15, 2021 by stevewin

[plenzmd1]

4 minutes ago, Sundancer said:

 

The Clear app. There's a section for uploading your vaccine card once you install it. Very straightforward. 

if that was you that posted earlier, thank you for directing me there. Much appreciated

[ColoradoBills]

36 minutes ago, plenzmd1 said:

https://www.clearme.com/vaccine-validation

 

This thread actually had something worthwhile in it.

I thank you!

[ExiledInIllinois]

Why are people thinking of themselves?  Why can't people just get a shot and wear masks for others?

 

I mean... They locked up Typhoid Mary for the remainder of her life because she wouldn't follow orders... Now we have a million COVID John and Mary's running around screaming personal freedom.  You can be the strongest,  fittest person on the planet... Yeah, that stops you from getting sick... What about others? Do people really want to spread disease?

1 hour ago, loyal2dagame said:

Fire extinguishers don't prevent fires,  but they help to minimize the damage

Same with life preservers (PFDs)... They ain't guaranteed (or perfect) to save your life, but it sure makes it easier for someone to find you, possibly saving their life... But, PFDs sure as hell give you a fighting chance. 

[Captain Caveman]

1 hour ago, Blainorama5 said:

But does the NFL own the stadiums themselves?  I'm honestly not sure, but I don't think they have sole ownership of the stadiums themselves where they can call all the shots.  I THINK (and I could be wrong) that in many cases the stadiums are either co-owned or rented by the local municipalities or some other local entity.  I think only a few stadiums are owned outright by the team owners.

It doesn't matter, the NFL is the business hosting the event.  Think of it this way, if you're renting a hall for a wedding, you have the right to have all guests of the wedding be vaccinated or wear masks (how you enforce it is another question.) The hall could also say we're going to require vaccinations or masks as a pre-requisite to having the event here.  But the hall isn't going to overrule restrictions the host of the event wants to put in place.

[Captain Caveman]

3 hours ago, ChasBB said:

There will be lawsuits.  This is unconstitutional.

Save your dislikes for someone that cares.  I'm just telling you how this will go down.
Doubt me?  Save this post and revisit a month or two from now.

Good luck with that Charlie.  Saving this post for posterity.  There may be lawsuits, and they will be thrown out like the garbage they are.

 

Also, feel free to quote / link the specific text in the constitution that this is in violation of.

https://www.senate.gov/civics/constitution_item/constitution.htm

Edited September 15, 2021 by Captain Caveman

[buffalonian]

1 hour ago, nucci said:

the vaccine can prevent serious symptoms, hospitalizations and death. No one has said it prevents the spread. If you are vaccinated you have a better chance of staying out of the hospital and staying alive

Yep.  Headline from the Philadelphia Inquirer today:  Nearly all COVID-19 hospitalizations in Pa. are unvaccinated people, officials say

 

https://www.inquirer.com/health/coronavirus/live/coronavirus-covid-philadelphia-cases-pa-nj-del-vaccine-mandate-updates-20210915.html

[Negan]

Glad me and my party of 3 got the Vax earlier this year for this main reason that they could potentially have the Vax requirement.

 

Going to WFT game and pumped 

[SectionC3]

2 hours ago, ArdmoreRyno said:

 

What's the misinformation? I chimed into this thread because he's right... you can get Covid after being fully vaccinated and spread it to another fully vaccinated person. I'm one of 4 people in my immediate family who has had this happen in the past 6 weeks. 

It involves a pedantic and hypertechnical use of the word stop.    

[SectionC3]

To the “this is unconstitutional” crowd (I’m not going to go back to find the post where the contention is raised): 

 

It’s one thing to say this requirement is unconstitutional.  It’s another to prove it.  Or to even so much as put your finger on the constitutional provision or freedom alleged to have been violated or infringed.  Until someone can specify the constitutional basis for the allegation of the deprivation of liberty, I suggest that all such posts be removed.  

 

I also suggest that all of the whining about “freedom” end.  You have the freedom to refuse the vax. The Bills have the freedom to tell you to stay home until you get the vax.  Such is the price of liberty, I suppose.  In the meantime, I will enjoy my Sundays at Highmark much, much more now that I don’t have the lingering concern about brining COVID home to my children as a result of a breakthrough infection that I acquired in a gratuitous leisure activity.  

8 minutes ago, Boatdrinks said:

That’s the best way. I’ll take care of ME and you take care of YOU. That concept seems lost on many. 

 

Maybe.  But that’s exactly what the Bills did here.  It’s a decision based on public health that the Bills have supported for business reasons.  They took care of themselves.  Good for them.  Can’t wait for the next home game. 

[Hapless Bills Fan]

2 hours ago, ArdmoreRyno said:

I believe the less likely to be hospitalized stat. I don't believe the other stats... not for a freaking second. CDC's numbers are f'ed up. 

 

I mean, you can say that, but WTF man? these aren't numbers the CDC pulled out of their keister.  They're two separate studies of thousands of people, with the data collected and reviewed by all the authors, and then available upon request.  They all signed their work.

 

Then you have to look at the NFL's preseason numbers and public health UK with two peer-reviewed published studies, and all those are consistent.

 

So you can believe what you like, but there really ought to be a higher standard of rebuttal than "I don't believe it, those data are ***** up". 

 

There's a preprint up that has gotten a lot of press and that I have questions and am skeptical about, and my reasons are because they pulled an 18,000 person sample out of 2.5 million people and whenever someone does that to avoid bias, it's legitimate to question whether the sample introduced bias in some other way and to wonder what the raw 2.5 million dataset would look like; I don't just say "I don't believe the other stats, not for a freakin' second". 

 

[Hapless Bills Fan]

3 hours ago, nucci said:

the vaccine can prevent serious symptoms, hospitalizations and death. No one has said it prevents the spread. If you are vaccinated you have a better chance of staying out of the hospital and staying alive

 

Actually a number of scientists have said, not that it prevents the spread altogether but that it reduces it.   With Delta, vaccines decrease the chances of both being infected (in which case you can't spread) and shortens the duration in which you're carrying a high titer in your upper respiratory tract (if you are infected, which is 3-7x less likely, you're infectious for less time).  Both reduce spread.

 

Very few vaccines prevent spread altogether, that's called "sterilizing immunity" and is sort of the Holy Grail for vaccine development.

[Buffalo716]

Now there are two teams to Buffalo Bills fans and it's been going this way

 

Media , Twitter etc literally pitting us against each other and we're eating it up

 

You're either on our team or you're against us 

 

That's been the playbook for divide and conquer forever.. now it's just happening with everything 

 

Bills fans are going at in on social media and it's sad...we are all On the same team

 

 

Edited September 15, 2021 by Buffalo716

[Hapless Bills Fan]

4 hours ago, SCBills said:

 

Agree to disagree, this is uncharted territory - It would also be an incredibly bad look for the organization to not just auto-refund anyone who now can't/won't go to the games.

 

Nate Bargatze performed at the Peace Center in Greenville, SC and the event center, post tickets being sold, now requires vax or 72 hour negative covid test for entry - same boiler plate legal jargon on the tickets re cancellation, but if people called to cancel (I know 3 personally who did) they graciously said no problem, we will refund you immediately. 

 

I do agree that it would have been the higher standard of customer service for the Bills to agree to refund all single-game tickets as well.

[May Day 10]

I think I had less heated debates over Russ Brandon here tbh

[Captain Caveman]

3 minutes ago, Buffalo716 said:

Now there are two sides to Buffalo Bills fans

 

They're literally pitting you guys against each other and you're eating it up

 

You're either on our team or you're against us 

 

That's been the playbook for divide and conquer forever.. now it's just happening with sports teams 

 

 

 

Who is "They"?

There's no agenda here to split us up by requiring vaccines.  There are lots of agendas for those spreading misinformation about the vaccine (including some I'm sure who are well intentioned and feel they are helping.) But the goal of this policy is to reduce spread of a deadly disease.  To suggest some other agenda is inflammatory and flat out incorrect.

Edited September 15, 2021 by Captain Caveman

[K-9]

1 minute ago, Buffalo716 said:

Now there are two sides to Buffalo Bills fans

 

They're literally pitting you guys against each other and you're eating it up

 

You're either on our team or you're against us 

 

That's been the playbook for divide and conquer forever.. now it's just happening with sports teams 

 

 

Who is “they?”

[Buffalo716]

3 minutes ago, K-9 said:

Who is “they?”

The media, fans on Twitter, everybody trying to be divisive

 

Were Bills fans thats it 

 

It shouldn't get into nothing political religious, anything 

 

I love the Buffalo Bills and I love Buffalo Bills fans... I don't care if you're vaxed unvaxed non-binary, a horse 

 

I love you if you're a Buffalo Bills fan 

 

Bill's fans are going at it on the internet.. 

Edited September 15, 2021 by Buffalo716

[Captain Caveman]

3 minutes ago, Buffalo716 said:

 

Bill's fans are going at it on the internet.. 

 

Also, water is wet

[Hapless Bills Fan]

1 minute ago, Buffalo716 said:

Now there are two sides to Buffalo Bills fans

 

They're literally pitting you guys against each other and you're eating it up

 

You're either on our team or you're against us 

 

That's been the playbook for divide and conquer forever.. now it's just happening with sports teams

 

Buff, I love ya man.  But here's the thing:

 

The "divide and conquer" was already there before Sunday, when people who didn't want to take the risk of being in a crowded stadium with unmasked, unvaccinated, untested people quietly sold their tickets and didn't come to the game.  Fact.

 

It was there last Sunday when people who attended under the "mask-indoors, unvaccinated mask at all times" rule showed up, saw very few masks, and as some have recounted were even harassed and abused for wearing masks - when their compliance is certainly not an imposition on anyone else.  Fact.

 

So you can't claim that "Now there are two sides", just because some people who don't like the new mandate are being loud and noisy about it.

 

The two sides have been there and been divided all along. The people who were uncomfortable before just generally aren't the sort who yell about lawsuits and infringement of personal liberty and complain "you can't just lock us up in our houses all the time"

 

Come to think of it, I've heard some variation of almost those exact words for the last year: "I"m not afraid, if you're afraid you avoid me and stay home"

 

 

6 hours ago, ArdmoreRyno said:

 

And being full vaccinated does not mean you won't catch it and spread it to another person fully vaccinated. I'm fully vaxx'ed and I gave it to my ex on a trip to Oxford (MS) to move our youngest into college. She's also fully vaccinated. Then 2 weeks later, my dad (doctor, fully vaccinated) got it and gave it to my mother (fully vaccinated). 

 

These vaccines are proving to only possibly help when you catch it.... not really prevent it to get or spread it. 

 

Yes, this happens especially in high-exposure situations like a family living together.  The attack rate for Delta is something like 60% for co-residents whereas the original strain was 10-30%.

 

There is still a reduction in spread that has been shown by several careful large studies, NFL, etc.

[SectionC3]

8 minutes ago, Hapless Bills Fan said:

 

Buff, I love ya man.  But here's the thing:

 

The "divide and conquer" was already there before Sunday, when people who didn't want to take the risk of being in a crowded stadium with unmasked, unvaccinated, untested people quietly sold their tickets and didn't come to the game.  Fact.

 

It was there last Sunday when people who attended under the "mask-indoors, unvaccinated mask at all times" rule showed up, saw very few masks, and as some have recounted were even harassed and abused for wearing masks - when their compliance is certainly not an imposition on anyone else.  Fact.

 

So you can't claim that "Now there are two sides", just because some people who don't like the new mandate are being loud and noisy about it.

 

The two sides have been there and been divided all along. The people who were uncomfortable before just generally aren't the sort who yell about lawsuits and infringement of personal liberty and complain "you can't just lock us up in our houses all the time"

 

Come to think of it, I've heard some variation of almost those exact words for the last year: "I"m not afraid, if you're afraid you avoid me and stay home"

 

 

 

Yes, this happens especially in high-exposure situations like a family living together.  The attack rate for Delta is something like 60% for co-residents whereas the original strain was 10-30%.

 

There is still a reduction in spread that has been shown by several careful large studies, NFL, etc.

 

I didn’t know of verbal abuse of those wearing masks.  Of course, there were maybe a few dozen of us in the stadium, so that may explain why it was hard to find a target.  It’s interesting that such comments were voiced.  I have the freedom to wear a mask in a sea of people if I so choose.  I suppose that someone in the sea has the freedom to comment about that choice, but … it seems hypocritical for one so concerned with freedom and individual liberty to chastise my use of the same rights. 

[Hapless Bills Fan]

6 hours ago, Careca said:

*Looks at cathedrals that took 200 years to build*

*Looks at modern churches*

 

You are not really a fan of architecture, are you?

 

Because when safety is raised as an issue, questioning someone's aesthetic judgements is truly persuasive.

[Buffalo716]

22 minutes ago, Hapless Bills Fan said:

 

Buff, I love ya man.  But here's the thing:

 

The "divide and conquer" was already there before Sunday, when people who didn't want to take the risk of being in a crowded stadium with unmasked, unvaccinated, untested people quietly sold their tickets and didn't come to the game.  Fact.

 

It was there last Sunday when people who attended under the "mask-indoors, unvaccinated mask at all times" rule showed up, saw very few masks, and as some have recounted were even harassed and abused for wearing masks - when their compliance is certainly not an imposition on anyone else.  Fact.

 

So you can't claim that "Now there are two sides", just because some people who don't like the new mandate are being loud and noisy about it.

 

The two sides have been there and been divided all along. The people who were uncomfortable before just generally aren't the sort who yell about lawsuits and infringement of personal liberty and complain "you can't just lock us up in our houses all the time"

 

Come to think of it, I've heard some variation of almost those exact words for the last year: "I"m not afraid, if you're afraid you avoid me and stay home"

 

 

 

Yes, this happens especially in high-exposure situations like a family living together.  The attack rate for Delta is something like 60% for co-residents whereas the original strain was 10-30%.

 

There is still a reduction in spread that has been shown by several careful large studies, NFL, etc.

I can agree to that .. it sucks that the pegulas  didn't enforce their own rules at the stadium

 

And there's  been two sides for a while now.. but it definitely just got magnified

 

I live in the city ... Do you know how crazy it was at my local bar last night? People were freaking out... Some Long Time season ticket holders saying they'll never watch the Bills again... Not lying

 

And then there was a crowd giving it back to them.. fights literally were about to break out

 

We're all Bills fans 

 

I think it's silly to let something like a vaccination status tear that down... What if you're somebody with a weak immune system that can't get vaccines? 

 

Are you to be ridiculed? Everything isn't black and white

 

 

Edited September 15, 2021 by Buffalo716

[stevewin]

35 minutes ago, May Day 10 said:

I think I had less heated debates over Russ Brandon here tbh

[Captain Caveman]

21 minutes ago, Buffalo716 said:

What if you're somebody with a weak immune system that can't get vaccines? 

 

Anyone with an immune system that is too weak to receive the vaccine almost certainly would not be able to safely attend a football game with 70000 people right now before or after the latest policy.    Also everyone I've spoken to with some level of compromised immune system is heavily invested in getting as many people vaccinated as possible through whatever means possible.  Their personal safety is dependent on it.

 

I saw your response to who is "they" and it's not clear who you are actually blaming here, but it is coming across as blaming those who are in favor of the new policy, and that sucks.  

21 minutes ago, Buffalo716 said:

... it sucks that the pegulas  didn't enforce their own rules at the stadium

 

 

It would have been completely unenforceable.  That game would have ended with fewer than 1000 fans in attendance if they somehow could have kicked out the other 69000 people who wouldn't mask up without a riot.

Edited September 15, 2021 by Captain Caveman

[Buffalo716]

1 minute ago, Captain Caveman said:

 

Anyone with an immune system that is too weak to receive the vaccine almost certainly would not be able to safely attend a football game with 70000 people right now before or after the latest policy.  

 

I saw your response to who is "they" and it's not clear who you are actually blaming here, but it is coming across as blaming those who are in favor of the new policy, and that sucks.  

Terry Pegula can do whatever he wants.. he owns the team 

 

I just think it's tragic that Bill's fans are fighting Bills fans.. that's what I'm really sad about

 

I wish everybody would get the vaccine

 

 

[Hapless Bills Fan]

4 hours ago, Careca said:

From your link:The global research and development of mRNA vaccines have been prodigious over the past decade, and the work in this field has been stimulated by the urgent need for rapid development of vaccines in response to an emergent disease such as the current COVID-19 pandemic. Nevertheless, there remain gaps in our understanding of the mechanism of action of mRNA vaccines, as well as their long-term performance in areas such as safety and efficacy.

 

Fair point, I can agree with that.

 

If you're concerned by that, fortunately for you, there's an alternative:

 

Don't get an mRNA vaccine, get the J&J.  My immediate family is all mRNA-vaccine dosed, but my relatives who live in those low-vaxxed areas all chose J&J.  I personally think the mRNA vaccines are better, but I 100% support their choice: they got vaccinated with the vaccine that made them most comfortable

 

Adenovirus vaccines were used by the military since the 1970s, and adenovirus vector vaccines date to the 1980s.  EU approved  an adenovirus vector vaccine for Ebola in 2020.

[Buffalo716]

I think @Hapless Bills Fan has explained it correctly multiple times 

 

The CDC, government, whoever you want to call it ... 

 

Has not done a good job properly explaining the vaccine.. the communication from the top down has been poor and left some people skeptical 

 

If they explain the science in a more clear concise way, It could help

[North Buffalo]

15 hours ago, JerseyBills said:

A. I had Covid. Have antibodies

B. I stay in pretty decent physical shape.

C. My mother is an RN. Reported no huge rise in ICU cases and I'm in NYC area. Heavily populated.

I trust my natural immune system to handle a potential illness

✌❤

D. Wish you and your loved ones nothing but peace and good health!

Link?

Look for it yourself widely published about it when pfizer and moderna first came out... RNA mechanism was part of an NIH study to find an AIDS vax

[Hapless Bills Fan]

4 hours ago, SCBills said:

 

My mom's hospital, a major hospital in Atlanta, is ok now - but, for a while these past couple months, they could not accept transfers from smaller hospitals due to capacity issues related to covid patients in the ICU.  Largely unvaccinated and largely the people you would think - health wise - would be in the ICU due to covid.  

 

If this was/is going on in Buffalo, using government levers to cudgel people into getting vaxxed by any means necessary actually makes sense to me.  I don't agree with the methods, but I get the logic.  

 

When we're told the vaccinated need to be protected from the unvaccinated, and we're told at Highmark Stadium that due to safety concerns only vaccinated are allowed, when we know vaccinated can catch and spread this virus, it simply does not make logical sense.  

 

Give me a logical reason behind decision making and I can agree, or disagree with you on your overreach, but i'll admit when the logic is sound.  The logic we're being told isn't sound, and therefore it's incredibly frustrating.  

 

 

Dude, you've been given logic and explanations, and you aren't accepting them.  Whatever, but let's not pretend you're the sole arbiter on the soundness of logic and reason. 

 

I get it you're frustrated, and that's understandable.  But a policy doesn't have to be perfect and fit every case to be logically sound over a population.

[plenzmd1]

1 hour ago, Hapless Bills Fan said:

 

I mean, you can say that, but WTF man? these aren't numbers the CDC pulled out of their keister.  They're two separate studies of thousands of people, with the data collected and reviewed by all the authors, and then available upon request.  They all signed their work.

 

Then you have to look at the NFL's preseason numbers and public health UK with two peer-reviewed published studies, and all those are consistent.

 

So you can believe what you like, but there really ought to be a higher standard of rebuttal than "I don't believe it, those data are ***** up". 

 

There's a preprint up that has gotten a lot of press and that I have questions and am skeptical about, and my reasons are because they pulled an 18,000 person sample out of 2.5 million people and whenever someone does that to avoid bias, it's legitimate to question whether the sample introduced bias in some other way and to wonder what the raw 2.5 million dataset would look like; I don't just say "I don't believe the other stats, not for a freakin' second". 

 

i am not quite sure your point, but i will say i also have hesitancy believing all numbers from the CDC as gospel. I am not sure if this still is the case, but as of August it certainly was.

 

https://www.nationalreview.com/news/less-than-0-01-percent-of-vaccinated-americans-developed-severe-covid-breakthrough-case-cdc-says/?taid=61120183e3628400019e2469&utm_campaign=trueanthem&utm_medium=social&utm_source=twitter

Quote

Since May, the CDC has only been monitoring hospitalized or fatal cases rather than all vaccine breakthrough cases. “This shift will help maximize the quality of the data collected on cases of greatest clinical and public health importance,” the organization said.

 

So one hand if you are vaxed , show symptoms, and test positive,  but are not hospitalized, you are not counted as a positive or a breakthrough.

 

If you are non vaxed,no symptoms, you still count in the case counts.

 

Same with the vax trial protocals...two symptoms showing plus a positive test to be termed a positive....no symptoms, no test.

 

Its these kind of losey goosey use of numbers that have led some to question the CDC and not take every number they produce as gospel, and for good reason i believe.

 

I will state for the record i think you are dumb as a stump to not take the shot, but also understand  the hesitancy and why people are reluctant.

 

My final thought, the new Israli tudy, granted preprint,  i think shows pretty definitely natural immunity is stronger than vax. I think a positive antibody test should be accepted as well.

 

https://www.medrxiv.org/content/10.1101/2021.08.24.21262415v1

[RyanC883]

anyone know how to get a digital card besides clear (expensive) if you don’t live in a state that offers it?  Since the CDC has the info of who is vaxxed, is there an app or national method?  Would be nice for CDC to make one available.  

[RoyBatty is alive]

On 9/14/2021 at 1:24 PM, RiotAct said:

“we urge all of our valued guests to arrive 2 and a half hours early.  Go Bills!!!”

That is riduclous

[oldmanfan]

Just now, RoyBatty is alive said:

That is riduclous

Not if you want to see the opening kickoff.