Cole Beasley announces he will not be following Covid protocols, willing to retire

[balln]

2 minutes ago, CincyBillsFan said:

Looking at the data for each state I'm not seeing any spikes in the Southern States.  There were spikes in several northern states (Michigan & PA for example) with tough lock downs in place in April but so far in June everyone is seeing covid cases and deaths fall or stay steady at very low levels.

 

https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/country/us/

that doesnt normalize for population density 

[Rocky Landing]

Just now, QCity said:

 

But people aren't dropping dead in the streets of southern Alabama. So what's the problem?

There's only a problem if people are "dropping dead?" You have a pretty lax threshold for what constitutes a "problem" 

 

Or, more likely, you have no idea what the rest of the country has been dealing with.

[Augie]

We have gotten pretty far off track here, IMO. 

 

The NFL and the NFLPA came to an agreement on how this should be handled. Both sides agreed. The Bills as a team agreed that they would keep the vaccination talk in-house. Cole could not live with either of these agreements, and he is completely within his rights to retire if he feels that strongly about it. I hope that doesn’t happen, but if he can’t live with the deal, that is his option. 

 

It DOES bother me that he went public with it, as the rest of the team has been able to dance around it, rather than put it front and center to draw attention. 

 

I still hope that things will continue to evolve in the months ahead to give us some common ground and a solution can be found that works for everyone. We are a better team with Cole on the field. 

[plenzmd1]

34 minutes ago, SDS said:

I’ve been reading and keeping my comments to myself. But if I was to say something this was going to be my comment.
 

Quite frankly, the people who refuse to get vaccinated are simply grifters. They grift on the doctors and nurses and scientists and immunologists and mathematicians and all the vaccinated people in the general public who got out of the wagon and are pulling us out of this mess. They don’t care if they get sick and get hospitalized because somebody else will be there to take care of them, the caregivers who are required to be vaccinated, so they can perform the simple act of breathing.

 

Somewhere Jenny McCarthy is smiling. 

i dunno dude...58% of health care workers are vaxed... are they grifters? Or maybe different opinions can be respected?

 

https://www.abcactionnews.com/news/coronavirus/local-family-raises-concern-about-healthcare-worker-vaccination-rates

Edited June 19, 2021 by plenzmd1

[CincyBillsFan]

5 minutes ago, JoPoy88 said:

If you had Covid 6 months ago and recovered, do YOU know what might happen to you in 3 years?

We have an idea that for the vast majority of people not to much will happen as covid is a corona virus and we have experience with that class of virus.

 

BTW, do you know what will happen to you after getting vaccinated in 3 years?

 

And for the record I chose to get vaccinated as I'm over 60 and the risk/benefit ratio made sense to me.  If I was healthy and 30 I'm not sure I would have opted to get vaccinated.  For sure if I had covid previously and was under 40 there is no way I would get vaccinated. Would you?

 

Edited June 19, 2021 by CincyBillsFan

[balln]

1 minute ago, CincyBillsFan said:

We have an idea that for the vast majority of people not to much will happen as covid is a corona virus and we have experience with that class of virus.

 

BTW, do you know what will happen to you after getting vaccinated in 3 years?

 

And for the record I chose to get vaccinated as I'm over 60 and the risk/benefit ration made sense to me.  If I was healthy and 30 I'm not sure I would have opted to get vaccinated.  For sure if I had covid previously and was under 40 there is no way I would get vaccinated. Would you?

 

yes the data and current recommendations - even if you had it you should get vaccinated. fun fact - if you cleared the virus AND get vaccinated you have an insane amount of immunity. 

[Beach]

2 minutes ago, balln said:

yes the data and current recommendations - even if you had it you should get vaccinated. fun fact - if you cleared the virus AND get vaccinated you have an insane amount of immunity. 

but what if you dont need immunity? i mean thats what Beas is saying.

Edited June 19, 2021 by Beach

[CincyBillsFan]

1 minute ago, balln said:

yes the data and current recommendations - even if you had it you should get vaccinated. fun fact - if you cleared the virus AND get vaccinated you have an insane amount of immunity. 

You have an insane amount of immunity with either the vaccination or naturally derived immunity.

 

There are a lot of medical people advising against those that have recovered from covid getting the vaccine.  Others are recommending that those who had covid previously get only one shot. 

 

 

[balln]

i dont understand this irrational fear of what COULD happen in 3, 20 or 40 years. But my whole live has been medicine and science. so to me its not a question. I can understand some of the concerns to a degree. the virus doesnt re write your genetic code. attack any organ system. THE only current thing that is making the news is their are young/ teenagers getting vaccine and having some myocarditis. but it is an insanely small number. and vast majority resolves without any treatment

[Southern_Bills]

9 minutes ago, Rocky Landing said:

If you have such a minimal level of education on a topic, you really shouldn't be cluttering up the thread with meaningless comments.

 

Sure thing guy, attack my education level because we have a difference in opinion. Have fun with that.

[CincyBillsFan]

Just now, Beach said:

but what if you dont need immunity? i mean thats was Beas is saying.

The reality is that a vast amount of people, particularly those under 40, are alreday effectively immune to covid and if they catch it the viral load remains low and they don't develop symptoms or they exhibit very mild ones. They also are much less likely to pass the virus on.

 

 

[Southern_Bills]

10 minutes ago, JoPoy88 said:

If you had Covid 6 months ago and recovered, do YOU know what might happen to you in 3 years?

 

No I do not, but a potential risk is better than a guaranteed risk IMO.

 

You do what's best for you though. 

[CincyBillsFan]

9 minutes ago, balln said:

that doesnt normalize for population density 

Here's the data for Florida which is not only densely populated but the site of vast tourist migrations over the last few months.

 

https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/usa/florida/

[Allen2D̶i̶g̶g̶s̶TBD]

2 hours ago, plenzmd1 said:

i dunno dude...58% of health care workers are vaxed... are they grifters? Or maybe different opinions can be respected?

 

https://www.abcactionnews.com/news/coronavirus/local-family-raises-concern-about-healthcare-worker-vaccination-rates

According to an American Medical Association survey, over 96% of doctors have been vaccinated for covid. That's higher than the percentage of people who believe the world is round.

https://www.ama-assn.org/press-center/press-releases/ama-survey-shows-over-96-doctors-fully-vaccinated-against-covid-19

 

The numbers you posted (58%) are for the total hospital staff, including cafeteria staff and the guy who sells balloons in the gift shop. This number is still significantly higher than the vaccination rate of general population of the US.

Edited June 19, 2021 by Allen2Diggs

[Process]

1 minute ago, Southern_Bills said:

but a potential risk is better than a guaranteed risk IMO.

I mean, what the.... Lol

[The 9 Isles]

Everyone needs to mind their own business. This world is becoming excruciating obnoxious with people and their want to control other’s thoughts and actions. 

 

Get a life. 

[balln]

2 minutes ago, CincyBillsFan said:

Here's the data for Florida which is not only densely populated but the site of vast tourist migrations over the last few months.

 

https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/usa/florida/

you need active or new infections as a percentage of population. keep trying. also florida and most southern states are woefully poor at testing and reporting

[Rocky Landing]

7 minutes ago, SCBills said:

Oh.. the current health stats, and variants... oh my.  I’m in Atlanta.  We’ve heard, literally, for the past year about the “impending doom” from people who don’t live here. 
 

Yet here we are... pretty much wide open.  And people have just lived their lives since last Fall.  
 

 

Atlanta actually has a decent vaccination rate-- the highest in GA, which is around 47%. In fact, I have close family friends who live there, and several of them got Covid. One kid, in his twenties, is still suffering long-term effects, including lung damage.

 

And, if you think that Atlanta being open has nothing to do with the year of precautions that have been taken, and the number of people who were adult enough to get vaccinated, you're not really paying attention to anything other than a fact-averse echo chamber.

[GoBills808]

4 minutes ago, Southern_Bills said:

 

No I do not, but a potential risk is better than a guaranteed risk IMO.

 

[HalftimeAdjustment]

The amount of Beasley content has dropped enough that this thread is probably due to be locked.

[balln]

3 minutes ago, Allen2Diggs said:

According to an American Medical Association survey, over 96% of doctors have been vaccinated for covid. That's higher than the percentage of people who believe the world is round.

https://www.ama-assn.org/press-center/press-releases/ama-survey-shows-over-96-doctors-fully-vaccinated-against-covid-19

yup. and i bet the 4% are cuban docs. not to call them out. but in miami a lot of the cuban docs are anti vaccine because they (fairly or unfairly) associate vaccines to democrat/liberal to fidel castro. I ***** you not. all this is identity politics and its sad.

 

get vaccinated people. bease get vaccinated bro. BUt if you dont. im fine with that. but then you gotta just follow the protocol. 

[CincyBillsFan]

I'm surprised that so many Bills fans are willing to throw Beasley away for this.  Watch any of those exciting YouTube 2020 Bills highlight videos and see how often Bease is making critical catches in the games. The Bills are a weaker team without Beasley.

 

I always thought the introduction of the vaccine would return sanity to the crazy world of covid. The vaccine places the responsibility for ones health back on the individual where it belongs.  As long as everyone has access to the vaccine you can chose to protect yourself or not. 

 

We will never have 100% vaccine compliance. And as long as you don't work in health care or a nursing home vaccination should be a personal choice.  IMO the players association should have never agreed to what they did with the NFL.

[SCBills]

12 minutes ago, CincyBillsFan said:

The reality is that a vast amount of people, particularly those under 40, are alreday effectively immune to covid and if they catch it the viral load remains low and they don't develop symptoms or they exhibit very mild ones. They also are much less likely to pass the virus on.

 

 

For me, personally, I made the decision against getting vaccinated because I’ve seen, firsthand, some horrible reactions to it.  
 

I also take care of myself and am in my 30’s.. I don’t think it’s likely that there’s any long term effects from the vax, but I’d rather not risk it.  I’m honestly not at all worried about getting COVID.  To my knowledge, I haven’t gotten it yet.  Maybe I have, maybe I haven’t.  
 

I did worry about passing it along to vulnerable people, but now anyone I’m around who might be affected by it, is vaccinated. 
 

I will say that the vehement pushback to it that I have comes from how bizarrely aggressive the media/government is in pushing this. 
 

Edited June 19, 2021 by SCBills

[plenzmd1]

7 minutes ago, Allen2Diggs said:

According to an American Medical Association survey, over 96% of doctors have been vaccinated for covid. That's higher than the percentage of people who believe the world is round.

https://www.ama-assn.org/press-center/press-releases/ama-survey-shows-over-96-doctors-fully-vaccinated-against-covid-19

 

The numbers you posted (58%) are for the total hospital staff, including cafeteria staff and the guy who sells balloons in the gift shop.

Do they not count as front line workers? Are they grifters ? 

[stevestojan]

6 minutes ago, Southern_Bills said:

 

You got that backwards, 99% survival rate. 1 % death, And you are willing to take an experimental drug to protect you from a 1% chance and your not in a high risk category?

 

You gamble more than me.

 

 

It's only been here for 6 months how do you know what happens in 3 years?

It doesn’t suck until it hits close. I understand that most people from WNY never leave, rarely travel, and see things from the “NYC is the reason my taxes are so high!” point of view. 
 

(Apologies to my fellow TBDers who I likely offended with that previous paragraph). 
 

I was born and raised in Buffalo (well, a small town just south of Buffalo) but have moved seven times since; six of them for work. 
 

Last August, I had to go to one of my employee’s funeral. He was 42. In 2019, he ran a marathon. I can say with ONE HUNDRED PERCENT CERTAINTY that his wife (who also works for me) would have done anything to get this “experimental drug” to him last June. He died from COVID. So, if anyone wants to count the numbers (Beasley included, that ***** weirdo) I’ll add one; my friend Jeff. 
 

My sob story aside, I have two questions: 

 

1) what the ***** happened to this country where people think there’s some crazy conspiracy to make us take a shot? And I ask that because there isn’t a country in the world who isn’t begging for our excess vaccines.  So, you tin-foil-hat-wearing idiots need to decide if this is a political issue or some international conspiracy to end the world. 
 

2) What stopped Polio? 
 

(mods, sorry for my rant. I’ll take my ban). 

[cale]

Last I looked, Cole Beasley is an amazing wide receiver playing in a team deep at WR. I love and respect his play. He is entitled to his opinion. But he isn't an infectious disease expert. As someone married to a healthcare professional who had to and still does deal with the dangers of Covid, he's being a total ass about this particular issues.

If he chooses to not get vaccinated, he can follow the protocols in place to protect *him* and others. If he chooses to get vaccinated, he also needs to follow *those* protocols to protect him and others.

It's not that hard.

[SCBills]

4 minutes ago, Rocky Landing said:

Atlanta actually has a decent vaccination rate-- the highest in GA, which is around 47%. In fact, I have close family friends who live there, and several of them got Covid. One kid, in his twenties, is still suffering long-term effects, including lung damage.

 

And, if you think that Atlanta being open has nothing to do with the year of precautions that have been taken, and the number of people who were adult enough to get vaccinated, you're not really paying attention to anything other than a fact-averse echo chamber.

Everywhere in the south has been open for a while... not just Atlanta, aside from parts of North Carolina. 

[balln]

Just now, CincyBillsFan said:

I'm surprised that so many Bills fans are willing to throw Beasley away for this.  Watch any of those exciting YouTube 2020 Bills highlight videos and see how often Bease is making critical catches in the games. The Bills are a weaker team without Beasley.

 

I always thought the introduction of the vaccine would return sanity to the crazy world of covid. The vaccine places the responsibility for ones health back on the individual where it belongs.  As long as everyone has access to the vaccine you can chose to protect yourself or not. 

 

We will never have 100% vaccine compliance. And as long as you don't work in health care or a nursing home vaccination should be a personal choice.  IMO the players association should have never agreed to what they did with the NFL.

while im heavy pro vax. im not throwing away bease. hes heated. and mostly upset at NFLPA. and let this get outta hand with social media. he should get vaccinated. but if HE doesnt want to ----- if the lord tells him not to--- its his right not to. BUT he works for a business that has protocols. 

[GoBills808]

11 minutes ago, CincyBillsFan said:

The reality is that a vast amount of people, particularly those under 40, are alreday effectively immune to covid and if they catch it the viral load remains low and they don't develop symptoms or they exhibit very mild ones. They also are much less likely to pass the virus on.

 

 

Source?

[Aussie Joe]

1 minute ago, CincyBillsFan said:

I'm surprised that so many Bills fans are willing to throw Beasley away for this.  Watch any of those exciting YouTube 2020 Bills highlight videos and see how often Bease is making critical catches in the games. The Bills are a weaker team without Beasley.

 

I always thought the introduction of the vaccine would return sanity to the crazy world of covid. The vaccine places the responsibility for ones health back on the individual where it belongs.  As long as everyone has access to the vaccine you can chose to protect yourself or not. 

 

We will never have 100% vaccine compliance. And as long as you don't work in health care or a nursing home vaccination should be a personal choice.  IMO the players association should have never agreed to what they did with the NFL.

its not about his right to refuse the vaccine …he doesn’t want to comply with the protocols for not being vaccinated 

[YoloinOhio]

 

[HereComesTheReignAgain]

7 minutes ago, The 9 Isles said:

Everyone needs to mind their own business. This world is becoming excruciating obnoxious with people and their want to control other’s thoughts and actions. 

 

Get a life. 

How dare all these people comment on something that was written in Cole’s private journal…Oh wait, he posted his views on Twitter for the world to see. 

[balln]

Just now, YoloinOhio said:

 

i love florios venom. and i equally love the rebuttals to him in the comments 

[CincyBillsFan]

4 minutes ago, balln said:

you need active or new infections as a percentage of population. keep trying. also florida and most southern states are woefully poor at testing and reporting

Florida has more people then NY State and is about the same size.  On top of that Florida was visited by millions of tourists the last 6 months while NY State has largely remained closed down to tourism.  By any reasonable consideration Florida has a much better covid profile then NY. And they are not seeing a spike.

 

I've read several studies employing Meta analysis to look at covid infection & death rates across the US and the world and so far it doesn't matter whether you locked down tight or stayed wide open or everything in between.  Covid is a classic respiratory virus that spread through the human population in much the same way that most respiratory virus do.  It's actually been eye opening how little our mitigation efforts impacted covid. 

 

 

 

 

 

[balln]

1 minute ago, HereComesTheReignAgain said:

How dare all these people comment on something that was written in Cole’s private journal…Oh wait, he posted his views on Twitter for the world to see. 

yea like this is content for his podcast 5 years from now when he actually retires

[SirAndrew]

Just now, balln said:

while im heavy pro vax. im not throwing away bease. hes heated. and mostly upset at NFLPA. and let this get outta hand with social media. he should get vaccinated. but if HE doesnt want to ----- if the lord tells him not to--- its his right not to. BUT he works for a business that has protocols. 

Your final sentence is my entire issue with Bease, and much of what I hear in society as a whole.  Make your personal choice, that’s fine, but why must people go on and on about how they refuse to follow whatever guidelines are established as a result ? We’ve become a society that believes in only following rules they deem suitable, and this is an issue that transcends politics. 

[balln]

Just now, CincyBillsFan said:

Florida has more people then NY State and is about the same size.  On top of that Florida was visited by millions of tourists the last 6 months while NY State has largely remained closed down to tourism.  By any reasonable consideration Florida has a much better covid profile then NY. And they are not seeing a spike.

 

I've read several studies employing Meta analysis to look at covid infection & death rates across the US and the world and so far it doesn't matter whether you locked down tight or stayed wide open or everything in between.  Covid is a classic respiratory virus that spread through the human population in much the same way that most respiratory virus do.  It's actually been eye opening how little our mitigation efforts impacted covid. 

 

 

 

 

 

youre partially correct. thats bc were human/and americans and we dont follow the rules. You bet ya new zealand got it right !

[CincyBillsFan]

3 minutes ago, GoBills808 said:

Source?

The last time I started posting sources I got put in TO.  I'm a scientist by profession and the bulk of the current thinking on covid indicates that asymptomatic people rarely pass covid on.

 

 

[SCBills]

3 minutes ago, SirAndrew said:

Your final sentence is my entire issue with Bease, and much of what I hear in society as a whole.  Make your personal choice, that’s fine, but why must people go on and on about how they refuse to follow whatever guidelines are established as a result ? We’ve become a society that believes in only following rules they deem suitable, and this is an issue that transcends politics. 

People still hold onto the notion that this is a free country.  For many, this past year shook that vision to its core.   
 

Should he just comply with the non-vaccinated protocols.. probably.  Would I... yes...  Do I understand why many view the constant hectoring and overreach from those in power as a threat to who we are as a people... yes.    And that can come out as a rebuke of things others view as inconsequential.   
 

Edited June 19, 2021 by SCBills

[JoPoy88]

17 minutes ago, Southern_Bills said:

 

No I do not, but a potential risk is better than a guaranteed risk IMO.

 

You do what's best for you though. 

how is a potential future risk “guaranteed?” Do y’all have time travel down there in southern Alabama? Another beaut in this thread full of them.