Mock 2.0 poll- with the 61st pick, our Buffalo Bills select

[Motorin']

54 minutes ago, NewEra said:

Agreed.  In hindsight, the Ossai pick, based on the outcome of the 31-60 picks, was a very poor choice.....unless he turns out to be Jerry Hughes 2.0.  

When drafting players, as long as they turn out to be what you’re hoping for (or better than that) than it was a good pick.  While the remaining selections @ 61 are less than appealing to many, if the guy we draft turns out to be a key player for years to come, than he was a great pick.  Regardless of the value and people scouting reports. All of that stuff means nothing.  The only thing that matters is how the player performs.  
 

Sure, it would be ideal if the BPA, when we select in every round, turned out to play a position of need.  But if it’s not, it’s ok.  That just means you have to spend some FA money on a 1 year deal to patch the hole.  Just don’t reach on a player because you need to fill the position.  There are other ways to fill it.  Just draft good players and you’ll be fine.

 

 

But when does he play?  This year, next year, the year after?  We played nickel 91% of our defensive snaps last season.  Tops in the league.  McD isn’t taking Edmunds off the field.  He’s not taking Milano off the field.  Can he play “big nickel”?  Or will he be exploited by the smaller, faster slot WRs?  I know he’s great in coverage, but can he legitimately cover the slot WRs routinely?  if the answer is yes, than I’m all for him as our big nickel.  From what I’ve seen, I’m leaning towards no, but I’m not pro.

 

We played nickel against 2 wr sets a ton, probably bc they thought Klein was a liability in coverage against RB's and TE's. 

 

Cox makes his living covering TE's... Plus, what happens if Milano is injured for extended periods? I'm not sold on the backups they brought it. 

 

 He's going to have a pro day on the 26th, I guess we'll see if he's got the speed to play Big Nickel / SS. 

Edited April 17, 2021 by Motorin'

[JESSEFEFFER]

Best to get CB2, whichever one that is.

[NewEra]

7 minutes ago, Motorin' said:

 

We played nickel against 2 wr sets a ton, probably bc they thought Klein was a liability in coverage against RB's and TE's. 

 

Cox makes his living covering TE's... Plus, what happens if Milano is injured for extended periods? I'm not sold on the backups they brought it. 

 

 He's going to have a pro day on the 26th, I guess we'll see if he's got the speed to play Big Nickel / SS. 

Yeah, but can lots of teams run lots of 3 WR sets.  Can he cover the slot WRs.  That’s the thing with big nickel.  You need one that can not only cover the TE, but also the slot WRs. Eager to see his hips and fluidity on his pro day.  

 

good point regarding Milanos injury. I wouldn’t be upset with the pick as I think he does one thing very well (which happens to be something that we are lacking, TE coverage).  
 

After much back and forth, I voted for D’wayne Eskeridge.  I think he brings the most value to our team.  I have no question about his ability as a WR.  He’s pretty much a can’t miss contributor to our offense for the next 4 years minimum.  He has the speed that we need.  The opposing ads have to know where he is.  He is a handful for any defender 1 on 1.  He’s a verygood run blocker for his size.  He’d be an absolute fan favorite in Buffalo

2 minutes ago, JESSEFEFFER said:

Best to get CB2, whichever one that is.

It’s really bad value at this point unless you draft  Molden......but he’s not a cb2.  He’s a slot corner/S.  I’d probably have to say adebo or trill Williams would be most ideal.....cb2, but are extreme reaches in rd 2 imo

[ExWNYer]

1 hour ago, HappyDays said:

Jabril Cox has no role on our defense. He would just back up Milano. For a 2nd round pick I would hate that.

 

Completely disagree. He's good in coverage and space and has length and speed. He'd be able to fit the 'Big Nickel' role, IMO.

[John from Riverside]

I change my pick to Hamsah....but ultimately with all of these guys still on the board I would like to trade down a bit and pick up an extra 3rd rounder......I want a third to reserve to get our true 1 tech

Edited April 17, 2021 by John from Riverside

[Mark Vader]

3 hours ago, No_Matter_What said:

This looks like a solid list for our round 3 pick.

Yes, but it's a very late 2nd round pick, so some 3rd round potential players are going to be in it.

[OldTimer1960]

52 minutes ago, NewEra said:

Yeah, but can lots of teams run lots of 3 WR sets.  Can he cover the slot WRs.  That’s the thing with big nickel.  You need one that can not only cover the TE, but also the slot WRs. Eager to see his hips and fluidity on his pro day.  

 

good point regarding Milanos injury. I wouldn’t be upset with the pick as I think he does one thing very well (which happens to be something that we are lacking, TE coverage).  
 

After much back and forth, I voted for D’wayne Eskeridge.  I think he brings the most value to our team.  I have no question about his ability as a WR.  He’s pretty much a can’t miss contributor to our offense for the next 4 years minimum.  He has the speed that we need.  The opposing ads have to know where he is.  He is a handful for any defender 1 on 1.  He’s a verygood run blocker for his size.  He’d be an absolute fan favorite in Buffalo

It’s really bad value at this point unless you draft  Molden......but he’s not a cb2.  He’s a slot corner/S.  I’d probably have to say adebo or trill Williams would be most ideal.....cb2, but are extreme reaches in rd 2 imo

Eskridge is an exciting prospect, but his athletic ability at Western Michigan set him apart a lot more than it will at the NFL level.  I'm not saying he can't/won't be good, just an added consideration when scouting players who played not the best competition.

49 minutes ago, ExWNYer said:

 

Completely disagree. He's good in coverage and space and has length and speed. He'd be able to fit the 'Big Nickel' role, IMO.

If he is a LB, isn't that just a 4-3 defense with him on the field with Milano and Edmunds?

 

I think they have to be careful not to look too hard for a "big nickel".  Sure, if you can get JOK great, but if they are taking someone and force-fitting them into a role that isn't ideal for them, just to say you have a "big nickel" it is a risky proposition.

[OldTimer1960]

52 minutes ago, John from Riverside said:

I change my pick to Hamsah....but ultimately with all of these guys still on the board I would like to trade down a bit and pick up an extra 3rd rounder......I want a third to reserve to get our true 1 tech

I don't think he will go that high, but someone might like him enough to do that.  I'd think maybe late 3rd given he hasn't run due to injury.

[Solomon Grundy]

1 hour ago, ExWNYer said:

 

Completely disagree. He's good in coverage and space and has length and speed. He'd be able to fit the 'Big Nickel' role, IMO.

Why can't Milano fill that role? Didn't Milano play safety in his career? That's why I wanted Collins in Rd 1. Edmunds/Collins/Milano would be very intriguing

[NewEra]

I’ll cut it to 5 once someone breaks this tie for 5th

1 minute ago, Solomon Grundy said:

Why can't Milano fill that role? Didn't Milano play safety in his career? That's why I wanted Collins in Rd 1. Edmunds/Collins/Milano would be very intriguing

This is just a 4-3.

 

similar to drafting Cox and playing him in the “big nickel”.  It’s not a big nickel....it’s a 4-3.  Can the player in that “big nickel” position cover WRs in the slot and well as TE’s?  If not, than no.....they can’t really play the position.  Can Milano cover WRs in the slot?  Idk.  Seems to me that it’s always Edmunds being targeted in the pass game.  

[YoloinOhio]

Trey Smith 

[OldTimer1960]

6 minutes ago, YoloinOhio said:

Trey Smith 

I could get on board with OL there.  By pick 61 it might be tough to find positions of greater need without reaching.

[Draconator]

Hey @NewEra or @Virgil, might as well make this a 3 way race between Cox, Shelvin, and Meinerz 

[YoloinOhio]

13 minutes ago, Draconator said:

Hey @NewEra or @Virgil, might as well make this a 3 way race between Cox, Shelvin, and Meinerz 

Jmo of course but too early for any of those 3 

[Draconator]

2 minutes ago, YoloinOhio said:

Jmo of course but too early for any of those 3 

The 3 had a sizeable margin over the others. That was my thinking.

[OldTimer1960]

4 minutes ago, YoloinOhio said:

Jmo of course but too early for any of those 3 

 

6 minutes ago, Draconator said:

The 3 had a sizeable margin over the others. That was my thinking.

I think he means that he doesn’t like any of those options at 61.

 

[YoloinOhio]

10 minutes ago, OldTimer1960 said:

 

I think he means that he doesn’t like any of those options at 61.

 

I really don’t ☹️. They all seem like 3rd rounders or later (Nico Collins 🧐)

[OldTimer1960]

If they hadn’t taken Ossai in round 1, I would look at Joe Tryon, Carlos Basham or Ronnie Perkins here.  I know Basham isn’t the gazelle pass rusher that we all want, but I think he can be a good (not great) starting DE and at 61, that would meet reasonable expectations.

 

 

[buffaloboyinATL]

3 hours ago, HappyDays said:

Jabril Cox has no role on our defense. He would just back up Milano. For a 2nd round pick I would hate that.

Luckily Milano is never hurt, so we don’t need a competent backup for him.

 

[buffaloboyinATL]

16 minutes ago, OldTimer1960 said:

If they hadn’t taken Ossai in round 1, I would look at Joe Tryon, Carlos Basham or Ronnie Perkins here.  I know Basham isn’t the gazelle pass rusher that we all want, but I think he can be a good (not great) starting DE and at 61, that would meet reasonable expectations.

 

 

Wait. Basham and Tryon are both still available in this mock?! I would take either of them over anyone else on that list.  Can’t have too many guys that can get to the QB. 

[OldTimer1960]

5 minutes ago, buffaloboyinATL said:

Wait. Basham and Tryon are both still available in this mock?! I would take either of them over anyone else on that list.  Can’t have too many guys that can get to the QB. 

Me too, but I don’t think either will *really* be available at 61 in the actual draft.

[NewEra]

9 minutes ago, buffaloboyinATL said:

Wait. Basham and Tryon are both still available in this mock?! I would take either of them over anyone else on that list.  Can’t have too many guys that can get to the QB. 

What are we waiting for?  

[YoloinOhio]

12 minutes ago, NewEra said:

What are we waiting for?  

Didn’t we take a DE in rd 1? That’s why I didn’t choose one of them. 

[buffaloboyinATL]

2 minutes ago, YoloinOhio said:

Didn’t we take a DE in rd 1? That’s why I didn’t choose one of them. 

Ever since Beane heard he can never get the Defense right, he decided to go rogue and draft a defensive lineman in every round.

[BobbyC81]

6 hours ago, Bangarang said:

Meinerz 

Did you guys see that clip of him working out in the woods, tossing tree stumps?

[DCOrange]

Cant say I’m a fan of any of these options. Voted Eskridge I guess. Bash am would have been my choice I think. 

[NeverOutNick]

Curious why so many are voting offensive line. Seems like that was the position Beane made a point to solidify over the offseason. 

[NewEra]

25 minutes ago, NeverOutNick said:

Curious why so many are voting offensive line. Seems like that was the position Beane made a point to solidify over the offseason. 

Probably because our center is injury prone with mush head, while our Lg and RG are poopoo

[YoloinOhio]

30 minutes ago, NeverOutNick said:

Curious why so many are voting offensive line. Seems like that was the position Beane made a point to solidify over the offseason. 

Both OG are on 1 year deals and not very good, and our C is likely also gone next year. 

[frostbitmic]

1 minute ago, NewEra said:

Probably because our center is injury prone with mush head, while our Lg and RG are poopoo

Feliciano held his own filling in for Morse last year and we also have Bates.

 

If they think they have their future Center on the roster, they'll go in another direction. If they don't, Meinerz wouldn't be a bad pick here.

[KOKBILLS]

8 hours ago, HappyDays said:

Jabril Cox has no role on our defense. He would just back up Milano. For a 2nd round pick I would hate that.

 

I would agree with just about any other LB...But not Cox. Take into consideration we may have 2 teams in our Division alone (if Miami gets Pitts) that roll out 12 personnel on most downs. If the Bills took Cox it would be with the idea that he's on the field every down vs. 12 personnel...

 

In the scenario we have here...Shelvin (who I LOVE for the Bills), Cox, or Molden...I think Cox is pretty clearly the BPA...

 

Note - I have no idea why Eskeridge or Meinerz are on this poll. It's too early for either of them IMHO...Especially Meinerz. But anyway...😎

Edited April 18, 2021 by KOKBILLS

[ExWNYer]

6 hours ago, OldTimer1960 said:

If he is a LB, isn't that just a 4-3 defense with him on the field with Milano and Edmunds?

 

I think they have to be careful not to look too hard for a "big nickel".  Sure, if you can get JOK great, but if they are taking someone and force-fitting them into a role that isn't ideal for them, just to say you have a "big nickel" it is a risky proposition.

 

5 hours ago, Solomon Grundy said:

Why can't Milano fill that role? Didn't Milano play safety in his career? That's why I wanted Collins in Rd 1. Edmunds/Collins/Milano would be very intriguing

 

Really? Matt Milano is 6' 0", 221 lbs. Jabril Cox is 6' 4" 231. It's apples to oranges.

 

5 hours ago, NewEra said:

I’ll cut it to 5 once someone breaks this tie for 5th

This is just a 4-3.

 

similar to drafting Cox and playing him in the “big nickel”.  It’s not a big nickel....it’s a 4-3.  Can the player in that “big nickel” position cover WRs in the slot and well as TE’s?  If not, than no.....they can’t really play the position.  Can Milano cover WRs in the slot?  Idk.  Seems to me that it’s always Edmunds being targeted in the pass game.  

 

We can agree to disagree and that's fine. Personally, I think Cox has the necessary attributes to fill the 'Big Nickel' role. I'm not trying to convince you otherwise and you're not going to dissuade me. JMO.

[NewEra]

34 minutes ago, ExWNYer said:

 

 

Really? Matt Milano is 6' 0", 221 lbs. Jabril Cox is 6' 4" 231. It's apples to oranges.

 

 

We can agree to disagree and that's fine. Personally, I think Cox has the necessary attributes to fill the 'Big Nickel' role. I'm not trying to convince you otherwise and you're not going to dissuade me. JMO.

I’m not trying to convince you of anything either. It’s not a big nickel when the guy playing the big nickel is a LB.  it’s a 4-3.  there really isn’t anything else to say.  Sure, he might be able to coexist on the field with Edmunds and Milano playing in a 4-3.  There’s just no reason to call it a big nickel.  It’s just weird 

[Doc Brown]

I like Molden in this spot to compete with Johnson who's in the last year of his contract.  I think he's an upgrade at slot corner.

 

We could pry easily get Shelvin in round 3.  I prefer not to reach.

[CNYfan]

I make a motion to call it and move on.

 

Is there a second?

[Virgil]

I was surprised to see Shelvin make a late push 

[TC in St. Louis]

Mocks are weird.  I have done at least a couple hundred.  In one, and I'm not kidding, Kyle Pitts was on the board at #30.  I took him.  The next mock he was gone at #4.  

 

The second round pick obviously depends on the first round pick.  There is no need to take another end rusher.  We need a corner, and I suggest we take the best fit for corner.  Unless, of course, somebody fantastic drops into our lap.  Many people thought I was nuts when I posted my support for Rondale Moore, but if he was there at this point I would dance my way to the podium and snag him.  

[Bill from NYC]

53 minutes ago, CNYfan said:

I make a motion to call it and move on.

 

Is there a second?

I have heard worse ideas  

 

[CaptnCoke11]

Gotta be better options available than the guys listed for pick 61

[whatdrought]

Overdrafting Shelvin after taking Ossai in the first is really making me hate this board. Come on people!