rayray808 Posted March 29, 2021 Share Posted March 29, 2021 Beane last off season as the pandemic hit: "Yes, the draft is stacked with receivers," Beane admitted. "But I think it became evident with what's going on around us now, that we don't know what kind of offseason we'll have. I just felt like it was going to be really hard, unless I traded up really high to find a guy that I know could walk in, day one, August 1st and be ready to roll." "We were looking at the free agent market for a receiver, because, again, those guys would be veterans that we knew would be able to come in and understand our verbiage quicker than a rookie. So it definitely played into it, but it still had to be the right person, the right fit," said Beane. With that said, there is a chance that this off season also remains virtual, and if so - do we trade out again? Here is some context to first round trades for veterans: https://www.cbssports.com/nfl/news/history-of-nfl-teams-trading-first-round-draft-picks-for-veterans-winners-losers-from-last-five-years/ For me personally, I like the idea of trading out. Not sure what is left at 30 in regards to a potential starter and I want to take advantage of the current window we have while the rest of the AFC East could be in rebuild mode. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DJB Posted March 29, 2021 Share Posted March 29, 2021 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Just Joshin' Posted March 29, 2021 Share Posted March 29, 2021 I don't think being virtual is a decision criteria. Is there good value at a position of need that makes your team better than who is expected to be available? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
First Round Bust Posted March 29, 2021 Share Posted March 29, 2021 I like the idea as well, I dont think an edge player taken at 30 is going to be there with an organic pass-rushing skill that is a difference maker, so next I look at corner and is the guy at 30 the same guy we can take at 40-45 or not ? Could pick-up another 3 or 4th rounder (which we dont have) and given Bean's mid-round draft skills I like the idea of giving him extra assets for picks to not only make (quantity) but to move up down (quality). 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
In Summary Posted March 29, 2021 Share Posted March 29, 2021 Barring the ability to acquire more value than you're giving up, I'd prefer to draft a player. I like having young talent with fewer injuries on affordable rookie contracts. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
george c Posted March 29, 2021 Share Posted March 29, 2021 This off-season won’t be virtual. things will open up fast as summer progresses. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr. WEO Posted March 29, 2021 Share Posted March 29, 2021 what? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BillsFanForever19 Posted March 29, 2021 Share Posted March 29, 2021 (edited) Trading a first round pick for someone would involve squeezing in their contract to our cap situation and paying them much more than a Rookie. Not to mention it would have Beane trading his first away two seasons in a row. I don't see it. Edited March 29, 2021 by BillsFanForever19 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IgotBILLStopay Posted March 29, 2021 Share Posted March 29, 2021 Depends on the vet and the cost no? If I am getting Danielle Hunter, that #30 is outa here with or without an offseason. But I agree that the value of trading the pick is higher without an offseason. 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NewEra Posted March 29, 2021 Share Posted March 29, 2021 I would definitely be ok with trading our first pick for a stud pass rusher 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matt_In_NH Posted March 29, 2021 Share Posted March 29, 2021 ideally you hit your firsts and get impact guys for 4-5 years on cheap deals. Draft well! Move up or down, sure but trading the pick for a player is not a long term successful plan. Not that you never do it but you need to be careful Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MAJBobby Posted March 29, 2021 Share Posted March 29, 2021 Draft - Develop - decide on Re-sign Get used to that Mantra. That is what needs to happen after paying your QB. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
whorlnut Posted March 29, 2021 Share Posted March 29, 2021 We hit a home run with Diggs. You can’t expect it to work that well every time. Draft a guy... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rock'em Sock'em Posted March 29, 2021 Share Posted March 29, 2021 If you can trade for what's an expected mid-first-rounder next year they should do it. In 2021 you can likely get a solid veteran at near league minimum on a one year contract. He will contribute about the same as a 1st round rookie. So that makes it no loss this year. In 2022 we will have an extra first round draft pick to help - and who knows, it might be top 10. So it's a win next year. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Maybe Someday Posted March 30, 2021 Share Posted March 30, 2021 Can’t see trading our 1st for a veteran player but I can see trading for a 1st next year along with maybe a 2nd or 3rd in this years draft. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
whorlnut Posted March 30, 2021 Share Posted March 30, 2021 8 minutes ago, Maybe Someday said: Can’t see trading our 1st for a veteran player but I can see trading for a 1st next year along with maybe a 2nd or 3rd in this years draft. “Next year” isn’t going to help this year. We can win it all this year. Can’t mess with the window of opportunity. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Putin Posted March 30, 2021 Share Posted March 30, 2021 4 hours ago, IgotBILLStopay said: Depends on the vet and the cost no? If I am getting Danielle Hunter, that #30 is outa here with or without an offseason. But I agree that the value of trading the pick is higher without an offseason. I am NOT trading with Minnesota they will draft a DE at 30 who will have 15 sacks and a DROY !!! 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BarleyNY Posted March 30, 2021 Share Posted March 30, 2021 It would really depend on the vet player and their contract. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Maybe Someday Posted March 30, 2021 Share Posted March 30, 2021 30 minutes ago, whorlnut said: “Next year” isn’t going to help this year. We can win it all this year. Can’t mess with the window of opportunity. I feel like we can win it all this year already but I want to win this year, next year, the year after that and so on. Getting a 2nd or 3rd this year will help us this year and then we’d have 2 #1s next year to keep it going. With the lack of combine and the strange college season last year, the overall evaluation process is going to be different this year. Dropping back 20 or 30 spots might not be that big of a drop off in talent. We’re not getting a guaranteed blue chip player at #30. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IgotBILLStopay Posted March 30, 2021 Share Posted March 30, 2021 55 minutes ago, Putin said: I am NOT trading with Minnesota they will draft a DE at 30 who will have 15 sacks and a DROY !!! lol! Let em. Good for em. They are an NFC team - so not really consequential for our fortunes. There is no guarantee Beane would draft the same guy. So long as Hunter helps us win playoff games against the Chiefs etc., I am good. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thurst44 Posted March 30, 2021 Share Posted March 30, 2021 2 hours ago, Putin said: I am NOT trading with Minnesota they will draft a DE at 30 who will have 15 sacks and a DROY !!! If we're following that same logic (Diggs & Jefferson), Hunter will have 20 sacks and help get us to the Super Bowl. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ganesh Posted March 30, 2021 Share Posted March 30, 2021 8 hours ago, Just Joshin' said: I don't think being virtual is a decision criteria. Is there good value at a position of need that makes your team better than who is expected to be available? Correct. While we had Diggs come in as a veteran and learn the offense quickly, so did rookie 4th Round pick Gabriel Davis. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dogbyte Posted March 30, 2021 Share Posted March 30, 2021 No one is going to give up a 2nd or a 3rd and next years 1st for number 30. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rayray808 Posted March 30, 2021 Author Share Posted March 30, 2021 if Mac Jones drops, I bet someone moves up at 30 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
billsfan89 Posted March 31, 2021 Share Posted March 31, 2021 (edited) There isn’t a vet to be had. I would be all for trading a pick for a vet if one made sense. WR 1 was this teams biggest need going into 2020 and Diggs was out on the market and fit that mold. He was fairy young on a big but solid contract and the price was right for both parties. This off-season there just isn’t a big time player out there as far as a pass rusher. Draft a player there and hopefully you get a good talent that can be cost controlled for awhile. Edited March 31, 2021 by billsfan89 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Augie Posted March 31, 2021 Share Posted March 31, 2021 7 hours ago, rayray808 said: if Mac Jones drops, I bet someone moves up at 30 That could actually happen to get that 5th year so he can develop and be kept on the cheap. I trust our guys to do the right thing, but if we can move back a few spots and pick up extra draft ammo to move around, I can see Beane making the move. It ALL DEPENDS upon who is on the board, and what it takes to move up or down. Staying put, moving up or moving down.....nothing would surprise me with Beane at the helm. Moving is as likely as staying put, in my mind. 🤷♂️ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BornAgainBillsFan Posted March 31, 2021 Share Posted March 31, 2021 On 3/29/2021 at 3:51 PM, BillsFanForever19 said: Trading a first round pick for someone would involve squeezing in their contract to our cap situation and paying them much more than a Rookie. Not to mention it would have Beane trading his first away two seasons in a row. I don't see it. This^^^^^ Last year the Bills had the cap space to afford the luxury of trading the 22nd pick to MN (which turned into Justin Jefferson at $2.4mil) for Steph Diggs at $14.2mil. That cap space is no longer. We have enough to sign our 2021 draft picks, and maybe a few more camp bodies/Cinderella prospects. But that's about it. 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TBBills Posted March 31, 2021 Share Posted March 31, 2021 3 hours ago, BornAgainBillsFan said: This^^^^^ Last year the Bills had the cap space to afford the luxury of trading the 22nd pick to MN (which turned into Justin Jefferson at $2.4mil) for Steph Diggs at $14.2mil. That cap space is no longer. We have enough to sign our 2021 draft picks, and maybe a few more camp bodies/Cinderella prospects. But that's about it. The Bills have enough cap space to do anything... And that goes for just about every team. People keep saying this and end up being wrong every time. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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