Boxcar Posted March 18, 2021 Share Posted March 18, 2021 11 hours ago, Markaf431 said: so with four women stepping forward, you still believe Watson? With one I could see it. The more the numbers are climbing, the worse it looks on him How many examples of this happening and proving to be complete bs have to happen before a little bit of doubt creeps into your mind? Sexual assault allegations have been weaponized. Your name is protected, it's nearly impossible (most of the time) to prove what actually happened, and there are zero consequences for lying. The upside is a lot of sympathy fame and money, which really hurts actual victims who want real justice. The allegations could be true, but throwing more logs on the fire doesn't make it any more or less credible to me. 11 hours ago, wppete said: Shocked! Deshaun Watson doesn’t look good in these accusations.... I think we should all believe all women And their accusations... Victims need a voice and need to be heard .... Believe all women? How about the ancient principle of innocent until proven guilty? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DaggersEOD Posted March 18, 2021 Share Posted March 18, 2021 17 minutes ago, Boxcar said:Sexual assault allegations have been weaponized. Your name is protected, it's nearly impossible (most of the time) to prove what actually happened, and there are zero consequences for lying. The upside is a lot of sympathy fame and money, which really hurts actual victims who want real justice. The allegations could be true, but throwing more logs on the fire doesn't make it any more or less credible to me. Sadly, who you accuse is more important than what they did. If you accuse the “right” person, fame, glory, TV appearances. Accuse the “wrong” person, it’s public shame, mocking, ridicule and you get to have your name dragged through the mud. Seems like Watson is the “wrong” person to accuse. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Boxcar Posted March 18, 2021 Share Posted March 18, 2021 1 minute ago, wppete said: Its called sarcasm my friend!!!!!! Buddy, you can't infer that over text! It's not a good medium for sarcasm Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BuffaloRebound Posted March 18, 2021 Share Posted March 18, 2021 Not surprised this thread has turned into a cesspool. It’s actually possible to view the allegations with skepticism but also hear the alleged victims out. 2 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Orlando Tim Posted March 18, 2021 Share Posted March 18, 2021 9 hours ago, Limeaid said: Has he asked $nyder to be a character witness. The jokes about the NFL owners should not be so easy- too many targets 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Boxcar Posted March 18, 2021 Share Posted March 18, 2021 15 minutes ago, BuffaloRebound said: Not surprised this thread has turned into a cesspool. It’s actually possible to view the allegations with skepticism but also hear the alleged victims out. What? That's what people are waiting for. Until then, there's no reason to assume guilt. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BillsShredder83 Posted March 18, 2021 Share Posted March 18, 2021 13 hours ago, wppete said: Shocked! Deshaun Watson doesn’t look good in these accusations.... I think we should all believe all women And their accusations... Victims need a voice and need to be heard .... Theres a flip side to the coin, and this logic has landed many innocent men in jail, bankrupt or both. Best to look at each case seperately based on facts! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wppete Posted March 18, 2021 Share Posted March 18, 2021 Just now, BillsShredder83 said: Theres a flip side to the coin, and this logic has landed many innocent men in jail, bankrupt or both. Best to look at each case seperately based on facts! Amazing how the tide is turning... Keep the same energy as the kids say 🤣 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BillsShredder83 Posted March 18, 2021 Share Posted March 18, 2021 12 hours ago, JoPoy88 said: Hmm so Buzbee doesn’t want to try these cases in the press but is basically updating his instagram in real time with information about these cases (and he’s pointing out all the “death threats” he’s getting.) Oh and he’s “never been a Texans fan” but he paid for billboards in Houston imploring Bob McNair to draft Johnny Manziel. Okay. This lawyer makes Saul Goodman look like freakin King Solomon in the Bible 1 1 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wppete Posted March 18, 2021 Share Posted March 18, 2021 10 hours ago, Big Blitz said: Me thinks this might be a lot of what's going on with him and the team. Something is going on. 6 Women now???? Wow he must be a predator! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
YoloinOhio Posted March 18, 2021 Share Posted March 18, 2021 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wppete Posted March 18, 2021 Share Posted March 18, 2021 Good discussing... Just now, YoloinOhio said: WOW! Shocked... I hope this is not true. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
YoloinOhio Posted March 18, 2021 Share Posted March 18, 2021 1 hour ago, Boxcar said: What? That's what people are waiting for. Until then, there's no reason to assume guilt. Not assuming he’s guilty. But I’m also definitely not assuming he’s not guilty and it’s some conspiracy on behalf of the team, a “money grab”, or some crazy scheme he came up with to get out of Houston. 5 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Patrick Duffy Posted March 18, 2021 Share Posted March 18, 2021 Just now, YoloinOhio said: Not assuming he’s guilty. But I’m also definitely not assuming he’s not guilty and it’s some conspiracy on behalf of the team, a “money grab”, or some crazy scheme he came up with to get out of Houston. Yeah, either way though I think this has a chance to affect him in some way in regards to a trade (if they were considering that) and I guess possibly contract issues, not sure. Also possibly could get suspended I would guess. Anyway, it's certainly not a good thing for him. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
YoloinOhio Posted March 18, 2021 Share Posted March 18, 2021 8 minutes ago, wppete said: Good discussing... WOW! Shocked... I hope this is not true. That certainly doesn’t sound fabricated to me. Very sad. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wppete Posted March 18, 2021 Share Posted March 18, 2021 Just now, YoloinOhio said: That certainly doesn’t sound fabricated to me. Very sad. Yeah I was thinking the same. Very Sad I was a huge Deshaun Watson fan. Very Disturbing "allegations". Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PatsFanNH Posted March 18, 2021 Share Posted March 18, 2021 5 minutes ago, YoloinOhio said: That certainly doesn’t sound fabricated to me. Very sad. BB Smiling and calls the Texans “I’ll give you a 3rd and two 4ths for Watson” (evil laughs as they accept) In all seriousness if he assaulted them why didn’t they go to the police first and file charges? Was it because he turned over and exposed himself making them gasp!? Or did he physically touch them? 1 1 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aristocrat Posted March 18, 2021 Share Posted March 18, 2021 Are any of these women filing criminal charges? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Albany,n.y. Posted March 18, 2021 Share Posted March 18, 2021 21 minutes ago, YoloinOhio said: It looks like he won't be playing anywhere until this and the other allegations are settled civilly and criminally. If he's criminally charged and convicted his career is over. Houston is now locked into Tyrod as their starter. Watson can't be traded before the draft & without a trade Houston can't draft another QB. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sherlock Holmes Posted March 18, 2021 Share Posted March 18, 2021 I swear if this is Belicheat ruining our 3 way trade for McCaffrey... 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PatsFanNH Posted March 18, 2021 Share Posted March 18, 2021 6 minutes ago, Sherlock Holmes said: I swear if this is Belicheat ruining our 3 way trade for McCaffrey... The emperor is evil and powerful... but 6 woman accusing Watson.. that would make even Lucifer blush for overkill. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
H2o Posted March 18, 2021 Share Posted March 18, 2021 This really is turning into a show. To have 6 women come out and file lawsuits? Maybe they got together and did this because they feel there is strength in numbers? Maybe they feel like it gives them a better chance at getting $$$ out of the situation? Or maybe Deshaun is not the type of guy we thought he was? I don't know if the truth will ever come out, but the Texans are screwed right now. It may not be long before he ends up on the Commissioner's Exempt List. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Behindenemylines Posted March 18, 2021 Share Posted March 18, 2021 1 hour ago, H2o said: This really is turning into a show. To have 6 women come out and file lawsuits? Maybe they got together and did this because they feel there is strength in numbers? Maybe they feel like it gives them a better chance at getting $$$ out of the situation? Or maybe Deshaun is not the type of guy we thought he was? I don't know if the truth will ever come out, but the Texans are screwed right now. It may not be long before he ends up on the Commissioner's Exempt List. You are right it’s a sheeite show. I can see two and possibly three in a conspiracy to defraud, but more than that someone always screws it up and the truth comes out. But six??? With the stories more bold?? Leaves me to think there is something too this at some level. Maybe why he wanted out so badly-saw it coming. who knows but will be interesting to follow. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RaoulDuke79 Posted March 18, 2021 Share Posted March 18, 2021 This thing is sure snowballing quickly. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Hapless Bills Fan Posted March 18, 2021 Share Posted March 18, 2021 1 hour ago, YoloinOhio said: Geesh Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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aristocrat Posted March 18, 2021 Share Posted March 18, 2021 9 women now? Yikes 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hapless Bills Fan Posted March 18, 2021 Share Posted March 18, 2021 5 hours ago, H2o said: This really is turning into a show. To have 6 women come out and file lawsuits? Maybe they got together and did this because they feel there is strength in numbers? Maybe they feel like it gives them a better chance at getting $$$ out of the situation? Or maybe Deshaun is not the type of guy we thought he was? I don't know if the truth will ever come out, but the Texans are screwed right now. It may not be long before he ends up on the Commissioner's Exempt List. At a guess (because of some knowledge with how it worked for suits filed against companies I worked for), civil litigation attorneys who get one case are not above actively going out looking for other cases to add. Given the story that a player behaved inappropriately (work with me, I'm trying to sidestep the whole guilt/innocence issue) with one massage therapist, he would have his people talk to every massage therapist in the area and see what other stories are out there. Sorta "if there's smoke there's fire" principle. Edit: Florio mentions rules for attorneys about "solicitation" and not being "up" on what is or is not allowed, so evidently some discretion or care is needed, but he points out that the lawyer's first tweet said "here's my number if anyone else out there has a story and wants to talk to me" I know some fine, helpful attorneys. But for some aspects of the current legal climate, you'd have to dig a trench to slide a snake under my opinion of 'em. 1 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TBBills Posted March 18, 2021 Share Posted March 18, 2021 Well what started out as us joking about a money grab is starting to turn into a scary situation. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aristocrat Posted March 18, 2021 Share Posted March 18, 2021 Turns out he should have just paid the first woman off Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
707BillsFan Posted March 18, 2021 Share Posted March 18, 2021 9 women? Has Chris Hansen made an appearance yet? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hapless Bills Fan Posted March 18, 2021 Share Posted March 18, 2021 7 hours ago, wppete said: Good discussing... This is a good discussion. Some extracts: 1) I had NO idea Mike Florio had a law degree and had practiced for 16 years! 2) They both agree, no team is gonna ante up and trade Big Picks/Big Players for Deshaun Watson while this is hanging over him 3) Some really valuable, IMO, "Watch Outs" for young players!! They both make clear that they're not giving Watson a "free pass", but Florio points out that a massage is an intrinsically intimate act, and that if you go to someone's private house or fly someone in to your hotel room and there's no professional structure (my interpretation of what they said) or witnesses around, you are opening yourself to trouble if the person you're dealing is not on the up-and-up or even just doesn't have the same interpretation of what happened that you did. Simms tells an anecdote of having a massage therapist recommended by a teammate come to his apartment and having his wife stay with him just to make sure everything was aboveboard (and I guess to serve as a witness!) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TBBills Posted March 18, 2021 Share Posted March 18, 2021 20 minutes ago, Hapless Bills Fan said: This is a good discussion. Some extracts: 1) I had NO idea Mike Florio had a law degree and had practiced for 16 years! 2) They both agree, no team is gonna ante up and trade Big Picks/Big Players for Deshaun Watson while this is hanging over him 3) Some really valuable, IMO, "Watch Outs" for young players!! They both make clear that they're not giving Watson a "free pass", but Florio points out that a massage is an intrinsically intimate act, and that if you go to someone's private house or fly someone in to your hotel room and there's no professional structure (my interpretation of what they said) or witnesses around, you are opening yourself to trouble if the person you're dealing is not on the up-and-up or even just doesn't have the same interpretation of what happened that you did. Simms tells an anecdote of having a massage therapist recommended by a teammate come to his apartment and having his wife stay with him just to make sure everything was aboveboard (and I guess to serve as a witness!) I am telling you Dave Chappelle had it right. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stuvian Posted March 18, 2021 Share Posted March 18, 2021 so this is a lawsuit without criminal charges ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
YoloinOhio Posted March 18, 2021 Share Posted March 18, 2021 The Houston Texans have been on a downward spiral ever since that Bills TD was called back because of “common sense” and the bogus block in the back on Cody Ford in the playoff game. Followed it by an epic collapse up 24-0 to KC and then 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hapless Bills Fan Posted March 18, 2021 Share Posted March 18, 2021 8 hours ago, PatsFanNH said: BB Smiling and calls the Texans “I’ll give you a 3rd and two 4ths for Watson” (evil laughs as they accept) In all seriousness if he assaulted them why didn’t they go to the police first and file charges? Was it because he turned over and exposed himself making them gasp!? Or did he physically touch them? In all seriousness, the reasons why sexual assault and rape often go unreported to law enforcement are prolly beyond the scope of football relevant discussion. Can we just take it as written that they exist? 35 minutes ago, Bill from NYC said: Really? It does seem that you are more upset about lawyers soliciting clients than you are about the possibility that at least SOME of the now 9 women making these allegations are telling the truth. If I'm wrong, tell me and I will apologise. I don't understand how are why you would feel this way. That conclusion does not follow: First, it doesn't follow from anything I've said Second, it is illogical and unfounded to conclude that stuff I've said on this board ever represents the total of my feelings on any topic, and especially on the topic of sexual assault where the board's prohibition on general political discussion particularly constrains me, as a mod If you want to know how I think on the topic, try the mundane solution: ask me. Oooooh, too easy! You can keep your apology. I refrain from suggesting locations. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hapless Bills Fan Posted March 18, 2021 Share Posted March 18, 2021 40 minutes ago, stuvian said: so this is a lawsuit without criminal charges ? Correct, it is a civil suit and there appear to be no references to prior criminal investigations much less charges Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Royale with Cheese Posted March 19, 2021 Share Posted March 19, 2021 2 minutes ago, YoloinOhio said: 7?? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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