Reed83HOF Posted March 16, 2021 Share Posted March 16, 2021 1 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
buffalover4life Posted March 16, 2021 Share Posted March 16, 2021 What Happens if they don't? Honest question 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Frat-Train Posted March 16, 2021 Share Posted March 16, 2021 (edited) 3 minutes ago, buffalover4life said: What Happens if they don't? Honest question Death by leech-to-nipple. actually, they’re fined and could lose picks. Edited March 16, 2021 by Frat-Train 1 1 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NoHuddleKelly12 Posted March 16, 2021 Share Posted March 16, 2021 10 minutes ago, buffalover4life said: What Happens if they don't? Honest question First, I think this happens in the NFL cafeteria... But in all seriousness... https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Salary_cap#National_Football_League "The NFL's cap is a hard cap that the teams have to stay under at all times, and the salary floor is also a hard floor. Penalties for violating or circumventing the cap regulations include fines of up to $5 million for each violation, cancellation of contracts and/or loss of draft picks." 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Jokeman Posted March 16, 2021 Share Posted March 16, 2021 11 minutes ago, Reed83HOF said: I wish we could convince the Bears to give us Tarik Cohen for a 7th round pick. 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mjt328 Posted March 16, 2021 Share Posted March 16, 2021 Which means there will likely be even more veterans released over the next 24 hours. I've noticed some panic on this board, as many of the top free agents get snatched up for big bucks. But you will also notice that cap space is also quickly dwindling away... By Thursday or Friday, I would expect the Bills to start getting involved and landing some bargains. 3 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mango Posted March 16, 2021 Share Posted March 16, 2021 13 minutes ago, Reed83HOF said: Eagles could drop about 1/3 of that by dropping/trading Ertz. The dude counts $12M against the cap this year. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DrDawkinstein Posted March 16, 2021 Share Posted March 16, 2021 (edited) lol, Bears. $20M over, only 53 players on roster. Who do they even cut? And they suck. Edited March 16, 2021 by DrDawkinstein 2 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Reed83HOF Posted March 16, 2021 Author Share Posted March 16, 2021 2 minutes ago, The Jokeman said: I wish we could convince the Bears to give us Tarik Cohen for a 7th round pick. I'd do it for a 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BuffaloRebound Posted March 16, 2021 Share Posted March 16, 2021 Technical question, do teams have to stay under the cap after March 17? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
whatdrought Posted March 16, 2021 Share Posted March 16, 2021 8 minutes ago, Mango said: Eagles could drop about 1/3 of that by dropping/trading Ertz. The dude counts $12M against the cap this year. Beane offered them a 7 with Ertz restructuring Sunday. They’re gonna call at 3:45 tomorrow and ask if the offer stands to which Beane will say: yes, you can definitely give me Ertz and a 4th for my 7th. 1 3 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ColoradoBills Posted March 16, 2021 Share Posted March 16, 2021 2 minutes ago, BuffaloRebound said: Technical question, do teams have to stay under the cap after March 17? Yes, they have to stay under the cap at the end of every day. Some teams will look like they are over on Spotrac/OTC but that is unofficial. They official numbers are kept my the NFL. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
billsherd Posted March 16, 2021 Share Posted March 16, 2021 32 minutes ago, Reed83HOF said: I thought the salary cap doesn't apply to teams like Saints and Rams. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Reed83HOF Posted March 16, 2021 Author Share Posted March 16, 2021 27 minutes ago, DrDawkinstein said: lol, Bears. $20M over, only 53 players on roster. Who do they even cut? And they suck. I'll take the obvious 1 or 2 off their hands Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mat68 Posted March 16, 2021 Share Posted March 16, 2021 Beane go help out Philly and Chicago. Get Mack and Ertz for a bag of chips. 2 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ed_Formerly_of_Roch Posted March 16, 2021 Share Posted March 16, 2021 32 minutes ago, Frat-Train said: Death by leech-to-nipple. actually, they’re fined and could lose picks. This was replaced in the last CBA with death by having to attend every BB press conference for one year. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TBBills Posted March 16, 2021 Share Posted March 16, 2021 All NFC teams... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ed_Formerly_of_Roch Posted March 16, 2021 Share Posted March 16, 2021 22 minutes ago, BuffaloRebound said: Technical question, do teams have to stay under the cap after March 17? Yes but only the top 51 salaries count towards it as most teams after the draft have 90 players on roster. Was reading the other day how because we're drafting lower at #30 in each round and no 4th round pick, likely only the top three draft picks will be included in the top 51 players so the amount of money that needs to be allocated to draft picks is much lower for the Bills this year. Think I saw a number like about $1.6 mil 1 minute ago, Mat68 said: Beane go help out Philly and Chicago. Get Mack and Ertz for a bag of chips. From the sounds of another thread the Bills may be negotiating a new contract with Ertz, if Ertz agrees to it, then Philly will trade him to the Bills and he'll immediately sign a new contract with a lower salary. Got me thinking could it help Philly at all if he were to reduce his salary prior to being traded as then Philly would be taking a smaller hit. I'm guessing any salary reduction comes in the form of guaranteed $$ so probably not then? Maybe I answered my own question. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mat68 Posted March 16, 2021 Share Posted March 16, 2021 4 minutes ago, Ed_Formerly_of_Roch said: Yes but only the top 51 salaries count towards it as most teams after the draft have 90 players on roster. Was reading the other day how because we're drafting lower at #30 in each round and no 4th round pick, likely only the top three draft picks will be included in the top 51 players so the amount of money that needs to be allocated to draft picks is much lower for the Bills this year. Think I saw a number like about $1.6 mil From the sounds of another thread the Bills may be negotiating a new contract with Ertz, if Ertz agrees to it, then Philly will trade him to the Bills and he'll immediately sign a new contract with a lower salary. Got me thinking could it help Philly at all if he were to reduce his salary prior to being traded as then Philly would be taking a smaller hit. I'm guessing any salary reduction comes in the form of guaranteed $$ so probably not then? Maybe I answered my own question. If he came to an agreement with Philly he wouldnt be in this position. I dont think Buffalo would lower his "salary". But pay him more money and lower his cap hit. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ed_Formerly_of_Roch Posted March 16, 2021 Share Posted March 16, 2021 1 minute ago, Mat68 said: If he came to an agreement with Philly he wouldnt be in this position. I dont think Buffalo would lower his "salary". But pay him more money and lower his cap hit. Yeah that's kind of what I thought. Could be a combination of both. If both the Bills and Ertz know if instead Philly releases him likely other teams would offer him even lower amounts yet, he may take a smaller cut in overall pay, but still get more $$ in form of Signing bonus. To me it's the same as Addison, Butler, and Morse all took cuts, but got money sooner too. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jumpsuit Jim Posted March 16, 2021 Share Posted March 16, 2021 If we do sign Ertz, can we also call “dibs” on his first born? That child is gonna be an athletic monster. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Niagara Dude Posted March 16, 2021 Share Posted March 16, 2021 1 hour ago, mjt328 said: Which means there will likely be even more veterans released over the next 24 hours. I've noticed some panic on this board, as many of the top free agents get snatched up for big bucks. But you will also notice that cap space is also quickly dwindling away... By Thursday or Friday, I would expect the Bills to start getting involved and landing some bargains. Maybe or maybe the Chiefs continue to add top end talent or the Patroits continue adding more big time players. To say the Bills have done anything to improve is fake news. I hope your right because your not improving unless your adding talent 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thenorthremembers Posted March 16, 2021 Share Posted March 16, 2021 2 hours ago, DrDawkinstein said: lol, Bears. $20M over, only 53 players on roster. Who do they even cut? And they suck. With no franchise QB salary roster to boot. 1 hour ago, Niagara Dude said: Maybe or maybe the Chiefs continue to add top end talent or the Patroits continue adding more big time players. To say the Bills have done anything to improve is fake news. I hope your right because your not improving unless your adding talent Problem is youre failing to mention the players the Chiefs had to cut. Nor are you mentioning Cam Newton being the Patriots starting QB. Pretty sure good teams hardly ever spend big in free agency. Why? Because they draft well and pay their own good players. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BarleyNY Posted March 16, 2021 Share Posted March 16, 2021 2 hours ago, ColoradoBills said: Yes, they have to stay under the cap at the end of every day. Some teams will look like they are over on Spotrac/OTC but that is unofficial. They official numbers are kept my the NFL. Yup. Also tags do not count until they are signed. I believe that NO is now under the cap because Marcus Williams hasn’t signed his franchise contract yet. When he does the Saints will have 24 hours (or is it 48?) to get back under. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Niagara Dude Posted March 16, 2021 Share Posted March 16, 2021 32 minutes ago, thenorthremembers said: With no franchise QB salary roster to boot. Problem is youre failing to mention the players the Chiefs had to cut. Nor are you mentioning Cam Newton being the Patriots starting QB. Pretty sure good teams hardly ever spend big in free agency. Why? Because they draft well and pay their own good players. Not true at all, Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ColoradoBills Posted March 17, 2021 Share Posted March 17, 2021 1 hour ago, BarleyNY said: Yup. Also tags do not count until they are signed. I believe that NO is now under the cap because Marcus Williams hasn’t signed his franchise contract yet. When he does the Saints will have 24 hours (or is it 48?) to get back under. I'm not sure. There seems to be leeway in system somewhere. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thurman#1 Posted March 17, 2021 Share Posted March 17, 2021 10 hours ago, Niagara Dude said: Maybe or maybe the Chiefs continue to add top end talent or the Patroits continue adding more big time players. To say the Bills have done anything to improve is fake news. I hope your right because your not improving unless your adding talent Yeah, you're right. None of the reason we improved so much last year had anything to do with guys who were already on the roster improving. Josh Allen's improvement last year really had nothing to do with us winning more games. It was all just those FAs we got, and Epenesa and our draftees. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
78thealltimegreat Posted March 17, 2021 Share Posted March 17, 2021 8 hours ago, Niagara Dude said: Not true at all, Emmanuel Sanders says hello Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CSBill Posted March 17, 2021 Share Posted March 17, 2021 13 hours ago, The Jokeman said: I wish we could convince the Bears to give us Tarik Cohen for a 7th round pick. Or, Lee Smith ??? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TBBills Posted March 17, 2021 Share Posted March 17, 2021 So what are the Bears over now that they signed Dalton on top of being $20mil over? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DrDawkinstein Posted March 17, 2021 Share Posted March 17, 2021 So it's 4:40pm. What have these teams done to get under cap? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Reed83HOF Posted March 17, 2021 Author Share Posted March 17, 2021 1 minute ago, DrDawkinstein said: So it's 4:40pm. What have these teams done to get under cap? Philly had to do something if this went through. Andrew Brandt said all transactions would be rejected, always have to be under the cap Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BarleyNY Posted March 17, 2021 Share Posted March 17, 2021 17 minutes ago, DrDawkinstein said: So it's 4:40pm. What have these teams done to get under cap? Guessing there are some moves - mostly restructures - that haven’t made their way to Spotrac and OTC. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hapless Bills Fan Posted March 17, 2021 Share Posted March 17, 2021 21 minutes ago, DrDawkinstein said: So it's 4:40pm. What have these teams done to get under cap? I was just wondering that very same thing. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mjt328 Posted March 17, 2021 Share Posted March 17, 2021 23 hours ago, Niagara Dude said: Maybe or maybe the Chiefs continue to add top end talent or the Patroits continue adding more big time players. To say the Bills have done anything to improve is fake news. I hope your right because your not improving unless your adding talent Agree the Bills haven't done anything to improve yet. But I wouldn't exactly consider the Patriots adds "big time" talent. Their best signings were the Tight Ends. Would you even put Jonnu Smith or Hunter Henry in the league's Top 10 tight ends? I'm not sure I would. Nelson Agholar would be our #5 wide receiver. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jdonley1180 Posted March 17, 2021 Share Posted March 17, 2021 This is an interesting thread. It’s 5pm and a handful of teams are still over, with no significant cuts.... what am I missing Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BuffaloRebound Posted March 17, 2021 Share Posted March 17, 2021 Just now, jdonley1180 said: This is an interesting thread. It’s 5pm and a handful of teams are still over, with no significant cuts.... what am I missing Where are you seeing this? The only number that counts is the one kept by the NFL, not spotrac or over the cap. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jdonley1180 Posted March 17, 2021 Share Posted March 17, 2021 Ok 4 minutes ago, BuffaloRebound said: Where are you seeing this? The only number that counts is the one kept by the NFL, not spotrac or over the cap. Well alright, that’s what I was missing. Thank you sir Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ridgewaycynic2013 Posted March 17, 2021 Share Posted March 17, 2021 On 3/16/2021 at 4:21 PM, NoHuddleKelly12 said: First, I think this happens in the NFL cafeteria... But in all seriousness... https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Salary_cap#National_Football_League "The NFL's cap is a hard cap that the teams have to stay under at all times, and the salary floor is also a hard floor. Penalties for violating or circumventing the cap regulations include fines of up to $5 million for each violation, cancellation of contracts and/or loss of draft picks." You forgot the double secret conditional draft picks to New England. On 3/16/2021 at 4:52 PM, Ed_Formerly_of_Roch said: This was replaced in the last CBA with death by having to attend every BB press conference for one year. Watch out for flying phones! 23 hours ago, Jumpsuit Jim said: If we do sign Ertz, can we also call “dibs” on his first born? That child is gonna be an athletic monster. With that parentage, here's the next coach of 'your Buffalo Sabres'! 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DrDawkinstein Posted March 17, 2021 Share Posted March 17, 2021 29 minutes ago, BarleyNY said: Guessing there are some moves - mostly restructures - that haven’t made their way to Spotrac and OTC. I'm more surprised they havent been tweeted about by the media tho. The Bears had some big moves to make to drop $20M. Although they did restructure Mack this week to save about $10M, and I'm not sure that was counted in spotrac's $20M figure. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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