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Anyone else feel worse about Gronk winning another (and playing really well) than Brady?

 

I just don't like Brady because he beat the Bills for 20 years. Gronk had one of the dirtiest plays I've ever seen in the NFL, against one of my favorite Bills.  Never like seeing that guy celebrate, or be celebrated.

 

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1 minute ago, ALF said:

The Bills need to study the Tampa defense against KC , they did a great job. 

Yeah. Sign David asap too!!

Lavonte David shut Kelce down most of the game. I think he intimidated Kelce early. Kelce did make some catches but everything was contested till later on in garbage time.

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3 minutes ago, Ray Stonada said:

 

Might not be a fair comparison: the Bills weren't missing both tackles, and TB's D-line is better than KC's.  

 

What difference does that make? I am talking about how the QBs were under pressure. Not why. That is irrelevant to both of them facing the same type of pressure. One did a decent job and one did a terrible job.

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4 minutes ago, BaaadThingsMan said:

Putting aside my hate for Brady I gotta congratulate Arians and the other players not named Gronk on the Bucs. They deserved the win tonight, in the end. Don't think i'll ever be convinced they didn't get a boost by the refs, ie> the NFL in the first half though. 

There was literally not a single bad call by the refs in the first half. Each KC penalty was blatant and an easy call for them to make 

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1 minute ago, Success said:

 

Everyone was downplaying losing 2 starting tackles a bit much. 

 

Against the Bucs line? That's pretty devastating.  Too much to overcome, and it showed on the field. Mahomes was never comfortable.

 

 

Especially considering that Fisher got hurt in the 4th quarter in the AFC Title game. The KC line becomes like a new line that has never played together when the second tackle goes down and it turned out to be the whole game.

 

 

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4 minutes ago, Success said:

Anyone else feel worse about Gronk winning another (and playing really well) than Brady?

 

I just don't like Brady because he beat the Bills for 20 years. Gronk had one of the dirtiest plays I've ever seen in the NFL, against one of my favorite Bills.  Never like seeing that guy celebrate, or be celebrated.

 

 

Agree. Sometimes I forget about it and just see Gronk, and then I remember suddenly and get mad again about it. One of the toughest replays to watch, the way he loads up on a defenseless Tre with glee. Sick and cowardly.

 

 

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Just now, Ya Digg? said:

There was literally not a single bad call by the refs in the first half. Each KC penalty was blatant and an easy call for them to make 

I dont agree. At the very least the Bucs benefited from pointing out the "sticky" coverage vs the Bills and alerting the refs to watch out for certain things but a Brady led team got all the calls, i'm not surprised. 

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2 minutes ago, BaaadThingsMan said:

Also...wth with the defense limiting Hill so much? The Bills let him waltz all over the field?? Shows it can be done wth Frazier?


the chiefs offensive coaches got totally Schooled. They didn’t adjust at all to the Bucs 2-high coverage.

When we did the same thing, the chiefs either ran the ball really well, or got the ball to Hill in space about 7-8 years out and he got a ton of RAC. 

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17 minutes ago, Success said:

 

Only 2 weeks after we were exposed as the same.

 

It was like watching a mirror of that game tonight.  Weird deja vu.  Mahomes even had 20-30 yard sprinting backwards dropbacks.

 

 

That's right.

Remember the Moneyball line from Billy Beane? "My [crap] doesn't work in the playoffs."

With a couple notable exceptions (the Kurt Warner Greatest Show on Turf Rams and last year's Chiefs) the track meet style of offense seems to be subject to the Beane rule. Even the Peyton Manning record breaking offenses flopped; it was only the defense-dominant Broncos of 2015 that were able to win when Manning was just a shell of himself.

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Just now, Miyagi-Do Karate said:


the chiefs offensive coaches got totally Schooled. They didn’t adjust at all to the Bucs 2-high coverage.

When we did the same thing, the chiefs either ran the ball really well, or got the ball to Hill in space about 7-8 years out and he got a ton of RAC. 

 

And Mahomes looked slightly tight going against Brady, the way Josh looked a little tight going against Mahomes.

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2 minutes ago, Miyagi-Do Karate said:


the chiefs offensive coaches got totally Schooled. They didn’t adjust at all to the Bucs 2-high coverage.

When we did the same thing, the chiefs either ran the ball really well, or got the ball to Hill in space about 7-8 years out and he got a ton of RAC. 

Reid just said, I wasn't expecting it..I donno what but he wasn't expecting it

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2 hours ago, Rico said:

There's lots more I could find, but it's Weekend time.

The reffing in the first half was objectively terrible, but KC was awful in the second half and deserved to lose. KC’s backup OTs looked like high school players — “Ole!” On every other play. For the first time in a long time, the SB was a terrible game. My broader take: the NFL certainly didn’t “fix” the game, but I suspect the last thing they wanted was Andy Reid winning after a (plausible) narrative emerged in which he enabled his idiot son (to the point of employing him despite no visible qualifications), who was responsible for a genuine human tragedy because of his recklessness. 

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1 minute ago, dave mcbride said:

The reffing in the first half was objectively terrible, but KC was awful in the second half and deserved to lose. KC’s backup OTs looked like high school players — “Ole!” On every other play. For the first time in a long time, the SB was a terrible game. My broader take: the NFL certainly didn’t “fix” the game, but I suspect the last thing they wanted was Andy Reid winning after a (plausible) narrative emerged in which he enabled his idiot son (to the point of employing him despite no visible qualifications), who was responsible for a genuine human tragedy because of his recklessness. 

Karma is a killer... they got what they deserved.

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1 minute ago, BaaadThingsMan said:

Well he deserved to lose then


agreed. If he couldn’t adjust to that, then I am not sure what they are doing on the sideline as coaches. Bowles always plays that zone. Mixing it up on 3rd down doesn’t seem to be something that can’t be solved through some better playcalling and execution.

 

just a terrible Job by the chiefs coaches. 

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10 minutes ago, BaaadThingsMan said:

I dont agree. At the very least the Bucs benefited from pointing out the "sticky" coverage vs the Bills and alerting the refs to watch out for certain things but a Brady led team got all the calls, i'm not surprised. 

Ya , 1 of the first plays the refs called holding or pi. But it seemed the Chiefs were overwhelmed n surprised by the Bucs playing style, where as TB was expecting the Chiefs defense 

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It's been said a lot, but the really irritating thing is that we KNOW the Chiefs' DB's played the same way against us - we just didn't get the calls that the Bucs did.

 

Hard to be too upset.  I'm glad I don't feel right now like I would if we lost this game, and we likely would have if we made it.

 

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1 minute ago, JerseyBills said:

Ya , 1 of the first plays the refs called holding or pi. But it seemed the Chiefs were overwhelmed n surprised by the Bucs playing style, where as TB was expecting the Chiefs defense 

Bad calls aside, I underestimated the Bucs D. They held Kelce and Hill in check and Mahomes had no answers all night. 

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42 minutes ago, ganesh said:

he has also chucked some unbelievable balls that his WRs have dropped for TDs.

 

I also saw Kelce cut off his route and reach behind him trying to snag a poor pass, receivers diving to get their hands on balls.

 

I also saw KC receivers make amazing attempts to come back to balls thrown into double coverage. The diving pop-up INT-that-wasn't near the end that the refs said the receiver did not get his hand under was another poor pass that was turfed.

 

Don't get me wrong, Mahomes to me is one of the best off platform passers in the game - especially near the LOS. Sidearm, across his body, through a crowd of defenders, shovel passes, and he usually puts it in an exact area where his receivers can make a play on it. That sideline pass while airborne was freakish and in an area for a diving reception. Would have been a tremendous throw and catch. He also can throw dimes when clean - there were a few beauties tonight as well.

 

However, with the pressure and his sure-handed Kelce safety blanket gone, he made a lot of ill-advised throws where he forced passes into coverage, was off target on more than a few tosses, had 2 turnovers (could have been a lot more), and was unable to drive his team to a TD.

 

 

At the end of the day:

 

Goat 3 TDs and 0 INTs

Mahomes 0 TDs and 2 INTs

 

 

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