Putin Posted January 31, 2021 Share Posted January 31, 2021 2 minutes ago, CincyBillsFan said: As others have noted the cost to land Watson just got inflated like a Weimar Republic Deutsche Mark! It's easy to throw stones at Goff but is Stafford really that much better? Put Goff in Detroit for all those years and he's more then capable of putting up Stafford's numbers. On paper this trade is a huge win for the Lions. I’m pretty sure everyone would rather have Stafford as their QB Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chicken Boo Posted January 31, 2021 Share Posted January 31, 2021 I mean, they'll likely be late picks but man that's a haul! Goff isn't great, but he's more than serviceable. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SCBills Posted January 31, 2021 Share Posted January 31, 2021 1 minute ago, Success said: Biggest losers: the New England Patriots. Not only do they NOT get Stafford - they're unlikely to get Watson or anyone else. The price for QB's just went through the roof. You have to figure they put their hat in the ring on this trade, right? 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Jokeman Posted January 31, 2021 Share Posted January 31, 2021 4 minutes ago, Big Blitz said: The Watson deal will push the league full on into NBA territory And it's a lock it will be Miami. They're the only team with the QB and draft capital to get him. This trade (in conference btw) just gave you the sticker price range. Miami needs more than Watson to put them in the playoffs. I mean have they found an OC yet? The Jets tbh seem like a better option as think they're desperate enough to do it. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rc2catch Posted January 31, 2021 Share Posted January 31, 2021 1 minute ago, 4merper4mer said: Factoring in salary a team can’t actually do much worse than Goff unless they decide to guarantee Josh Rosen $200M. Detroit is about to reset some. So Goffs money don’t hurt. Best case he develops there without McVay in his ear, worst case he helps their draft position. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CincyBillsFan Posted January 31, 2021 Share Posted January 31, 2021 5 minutes ago, Big Blitz said: The Watson deal will push the league full on into NBA territory And it's a lock it will be Miami. They're the only team with the QB and draft capital to get him. This trade (in conference btw) just gave you the sticker price range. IMO if Miami pays what it will cost to land Watson it will be the ruin of their team. Watson is a great QB but the cost to the Dolphins would cripple them and we know that when not surrounded by a lot of talent even great QB's like Watson will go 4 - 12. And this is why the NFL will not become like the NBA. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Buffalo_Stampede Posted January 31, 2021 Share Posted January 31, 2021 2 minutes ago, whatdrought said: Let's all take a minute to appreciate the chess master that is Beane and how relatively easy it was for him to get our franchise QB... Wasn't easy. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chicken Boo Posted January 31, 2021 Share Posted January 31, 2021 27 minutes ago, whatdrought said: Did you watch that Superbowl? For me, that was more on McVay. He didn't adjust to the blitz and kept calling slow developing pass plays. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CincyBillsFan Posted January 31, 2021 Share Posted January 31, 2021 1 minute ago, Putin said: I’m pretty sure everyone would rather have Stafford as their QB I wouldn't. How many playoff games has he won? A lot of Stafford's stats were generated trying to overcome 3 score deficits. Prevent defenses are kind to a QB's stat line. But even if Stafford is better then Goff, he's not close to being TWO first round picks better. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SirAndrew Posted January 31, 2021 Share Posted January 31, 2021 3 minutes ago, LABILLBACKER said: Well for the short term this should allow McVay to do things he couldn't do with Goff. Stafford turns 33 next week. But without picks the cupboard get get bare real quick. Definitely a short term plan being prioritized in LA. I completely understand it though. The NFC is a weak conference, but you don’t know how long it will remain so. McVay is betting on himself and his team to take advantage of that now. There aren’t any elite teams in the NFC imo, and the Rams see themselves as being close. I’ve never been much of a Stafford fan, but there’s no reason to believe he can’t lead them to a Super Bowl if Goff can. Brady will be 44 next season, and wasn’t truly spectacular this year, Rodgers always has some type of drama, The Seahawks can’t play D, and Brees is either retired or washed up. That’s definitely what the Rams are seeing, otherwise this is a very bad plan. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Buffalo_Stampede Posted January 31, 2021 Share Posted January 31, 2021 1 minute ago, CincyBillsFan said: IMO if Miami pays what it will cost to land Watson it will be the ruin of their team. Watson is a great QB but the cost to the Dolphins would cripple them and we know that when not surrounded by a lot of talent even great QB's like Watson will go 4 - 12. And this is why the NFL will not become like the NBA. Ruin them how? It would only cripple them if Watson isn't top 5 good. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
whatdrought Posted January 31, 2021 Share Posted January 31, 2021 2 minutes ago, Buffalo_Stampede said: Wasn't easy. Relatively speaking, it was. - Trade back and get a all-pro CB in the process. - Trade an injury prone OL who didn't have a spot on your club to move up. - Trade two seconds to jump up again. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
YoloinOhio Posted January 31, 2021 Share Posted January 31, 2021 Not a huge stafford fan but guess we lucked out with pats/colts in the mix. But they didn’t have a starting qb to trade along with mortgaging their future. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Buffalo_Stampede Posted January 31, 2021 Share Posted January 31, 2021 Just now, whatdrought said: Relatively speaking, it was. - Trade back and get a all-pro CB in the process. - Trade an injury prone OL who didn't have a spot on your club to move up. - Trade two seconds to jump up again. They had to draft the right QB. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BuffaloRebound Posted January 31, 2021 Share Posted January 31, 2021 Goff is terrible. Stafford was worth a 1st. Anything more than that was to take on Goff and his contract. Draft picks are over-rated especially 1st rounders and especially for teams that already have top shelf talent. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Big Blitz Posted January 31, 2021 Share Posted January 31, 2021 1 minute ago, CincyBillsFan said: IMO if Miami pays what it will cost to land Watson it will be the ruin of their team. Why? It will cost them their 2 firsts this year and their first next (high teens or 20s) and Tua. Yea I'm doing that all day and there is no better option for Houston. Unless they get Arizona on the phone. 1 minute ago, CincyBillsFan said: Watson is a great QB but the cost to the Dolphins would cripple them and we know that when not surrounded by a lot of talent even great QB's like Watson will go 4 - 12. And this is why the NFL will not become like the NBA. Antonio Brown and Le'Veon Bell, teammates just 2 years ago that essentially got their way and got out, are playing each other in the Super Bowl this week. Bell, he got himself out of TWO teams. We're already there and who knows where this goes. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Coach Tuesday Posted January 31, 2021 Share Posted January 31, 2021 Bears/Niners/Panthers make sense for Watson if Houston smartly trades him out of the AFC. Could the Falcons get big eyes about the haul the Lions got and trade Ryan? If so New England makes a ton of sense there. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
YoloinOhio Posted January 31, 2021 Share Posted January 31, 2021 Just now, Coach Tuesday said: Bears/Niners/Panthers make sense for Watson if Houston smartly trades him out of the AFC. Could the Falcons get big eyes about the haul the Lions got and trade Ryan? If so New England makes a ton of sense there. Best place for Watson is the Saints imo. Super bowl. 1 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Putin Posted January 31, 2021 Share Posted January 31, 2021 1 minute ago, CincyBillsFan said: I wouldn't. How many playoff games has he won? A lot of Stafford's stats were generated trying to overcome 3 score deficits. Prevent defenses are kind to a QB's stat line. But even if Stafford is better then Goff, he's not close to being TWO first round picks better. Is there really a debate here who’s a better QB ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
whatdrought Posted January 31, 2021 Share Posted January 31, 2021 3 minutes ago, Buffalo_Stampede said: They had to draft the right QB. Being the smartest kid on the block made that pretty easy as well. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Process Posted January 31, 2021 Share Posted January 31, 2021 WOW. We should all be very happy he's not going to the colts. They have a **** ton of cap space and a lot of talent already. Stafford + Golladay or Robinson in FA and they probably leap us as the second best team in the AFC. 4 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Coach Tuesday Posted January 31, 2021 Share Posted January 31, 2021 1 minute ago, YoloinOhio said: Best place for Watson is the Saints imo. Super bowl. Honestly think they’ll take a shot with Winston next year and reset in 2022 if that doesn’t work. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CincyBillsFan Posted January 31, 2021 Share Posted January 31, 2021 1 minute ago, Buffalo_Stampede said: Ruin them how? It would only cripple them if Watson isn't top 5 good. The Dolphins have more holes to fill then their 10 - 6 record indicates. Unless the Fish expect to get gifted a slew of turnovers in key games next season they need to upgrade the talent level significantly just to get back to 10 - 6. Signing Watson upsets the Dolphins salary cap limiting the number of high impact free agents they can sign. And giving up those premium picks robs them of trade bait on draft day and the chance to accumulate even more picks and stocking their team with young, low cost talent. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SirAndrew Posted January 31, 2021 Share Posted January 31, 2021 Just now, YoloinOhio said: Best place for Watson is the Saints imo. Super bowl. If I’m a QB looking for a new home, I’d only want to be traded to the NFC. It’s your best chance at a Super Bowl if you’re a guy like Watson. 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Draconator Posted January 31, 2021 Share Posted January 31, 2021 The Rams got a more serviceable QB The Lions got more of a long term future. The Rams have to win now. The Lions can build something solid for the future. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
whatdrought Posted January 31, 2021 Share Posted January 31, 2021 Jared Goff: "Thank god 2020 is over. Really looking forward to 2021 being a better year for me!" 2021: 9 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Coach Tuesday Posted January 31, 2021 Share Posted January 31, 2021 Just now, Draconator said: The Rams got a more serviceable QB The Lions got more of a long term future. The Rams have to win now. The Lions can build something solid for the future. Sure - so long as they stop drafting like the Lions... 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CincyBillsFan Posted January 31, 2021 Share Posted January 31, 2021 3 minutes ago, Putin said: Is there really a debate here who’s a better QB ? Absolutely there is IMO. And when you throw in 2 first round draft picks I take the picks and Goff EVERY time over Stafford. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jerboski Posted January 31, 2021 Share Posted January 31, 2021 Rams raped Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SirAndrew Posted January 31, 2021 Share Posted January 31, 2021 2 minutes ago, Process said: WOW. We should all be very happy he's not going to the colts. They have a **** ton of cap space and a lot of talent already. Stafford + Golladay or Robinson in FA and they probably leap us as the second best team in the AFC. The D would still be the biggest factor in what separates us from other AFC rivals because imo Allen/Diggs > Stafford/Golladay seven days a week. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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y2zipper Posted January 31, 2021 Share Posted January 31, 2021 5 minutes ago, whatdrought said: I think it's an interesting microscope on the question of how much a QB's surroundings matter... Stafford has (with the exception of a couple good receivers) by and large been in a terrible situation his entire career and has still managed to be a borderline top 10 QB... Goff has been in a great situation and has played poorly for the majority of it - especially since the SB. I think we'll see what really matters, but I agree... The price is ridiculous. It's hard to imagine that being the market rate, which really makes me think McVey was just completely done with Goff and willing to pay to be rid of him - this is a tidy way to handle it. Glad stafford isn't coming to the AFC. It's a lot of risk for the Rams because with Seattle and SF, you could still be a 3rd place type operation in the NFC West. It looks like either a misguided attempt at going for it in a short window or a splash trade more than something well thought out or a significant increase in talent. Statistically over the past 5 years I'm not even sure that Stafford and Goff are even that far apart aside from volume, but Stafford has never played in a big enough game to be put under that microscope like Goff. The situation around Goff in LA has been declining quite a bit since 2018 and that team and coach have been living on the perception of the 2018 team for the past couple seasons. Goff hasn't really gotten better or worse than he was, but the rushing offense from 2018 is way down and the Rams don't have receivers that scare anyone vertically. You can trace the decline in their offense to losing Gurley, their line aging a little and the lack of resources they've put into their skill position players. The short version of what's happening here is that it's like Chip Kelly: the Rams put their offensive eggs in the basket that McVay could make a lot out of less talent at WR and RB, and it hasn't proven as true as everyone thinks. They're scapegoating Goff here because they've put so many resources into the defensive side of the ball that there's nothing left for the offense. 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hapless Bills Fan Posted January 31, 2021 Share Posted January 31, 2021 45 minutes ago, BillsMafi$ said: Holy coooow Wow. Wow. Wow. Wow. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Big Blitz Posted January 31, 2021 Share Posted January 31, 2021 If anything this should push the 49ers to really push for Watson. They have the worst QB situation in that division. 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BuffaloRebound Posted January 31, 2021 Share Posted January 31, 2021 Goff is Osweiler. Detroit is completely tanking. They bought future 1st round picks taking on Goff’s contract. It’s also why they had to give a clown coach a 6 year deal. They won’t have a chance to be good for a couple years. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Weatherman Posted January 31, 2021 Share Posted January 31, 2021 47 minutes ago, Rc2catch said: Yikes.. I like the move for LA but that’s a lot to give up Not when you’re dumping Goffs salary. That alone should be worth 2 1sts. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LABILLBACKER Posted January 31, 2021 Share Posted January 31, 2021 5 minutes ago, Process said: WOW. We should all be very happy he's not going to the colts. They have a **** ton of cap space and a lot of talent already. Stafford + Golladay or Robinson in FA and they probably leap us as the second best team in the AFC. Tell me about it. I really thought he would slide right in behind Rivers. Now everyone waits to see where Watson goes. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
whatdrought Posted January 31, 2021 Share Posted January 31, 2021 Just now, Big Blitz said: If anything this should push the 49ers to really push for Watson. They have the worst QB situation in that division. I agree. I think they make a ton of sense and seeing a division with Wilson Watson Stafford Murray would be amazing... 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rc2catch Posted January 31, 2021 Share Posted January 31, 2021 1 minute ago, Weatherman said: Not when you’re dumping Goffs salary. That alone should be worth 2 1sts. I don’t know. I don’t think he’s a terrible as some make him out to be. If he was on the trade block someone would probably bite even at that salary Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Coach Tuesday Posted January 31, 2021 Share Posted January 31, 2021 Detroit arbitraged their own suckitude - they convinced the Rams that they were holding Stafford back from being elite. Hilarious. But the price was cheaper than I thought - basically one 1st for Stafford, 1 more for taking Goff’s contract. This might actually push DOWN the price on Watson. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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