John from Riverside Posted January 27, 2021 Share Posted January 27, 2021 T. White was in that area of the draft.........Beane found him....he can do it again. The key is to not get boxed in a specific position......ie. if Running Back is the best value.......go with running back......if linebacker is the best player available.....go there 2 1 1 1 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FireChans Posted January 27, 2021 Share Posted January 27, 2021 Beane didn’t draft Tre. McD did. Tough premise to start a topic on. 4 12 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DCbillsfan Posted January 27, 2021 Share Posted January 27, 2021 Beane will find a playmaker with speed. My guess is WR. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NewEra Posted January 28, 2021 Share Posted January 28, 2021 (edited) 4 minutes ago, FireChans said: Beane didn’t draft Tre. McD did. Tough premise to start a topic on. Tough to say that that Beane didn’t draft Tre. He wasn’t the GM but all signs point towards him drafting Zay and dawkins. I’m not claiming to know who drafted him.....just that i don’t know for sure. Beane may have had a lot of influence on the pick, it just can’t be proven because it wouldve been illegal Edited January 28, 2021 by NewEra 1 3 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John from Riverside Posted January 28, 2021 Author Share Posted January 28, 2021 11 minutes ago, FireChans said: Beane didn’t draft Tre. McD did. Tough premise to start a topic on. I absolutely believe that Beane was involved with that pick. 1 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FireChans Posted January 28, 2021 Share Posted January 28, 2021 5 minutes ago, NewEra said: Tough to say that that Beane didn’t draft Tre. He wasn’t the GM but all signs point towards him drafting Zay and dawkins. I’m not claiming to know who drafted him.....just that i don’t know for sure. Beane may have had a lot of influence on the pick, it just can’t be proven because it wouldve been illegal He was in the Carolina War Room drafting Bills players all night? Going to the bathroom to call McD every 30 minutes? 2 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Big Turk Posted January 28, 2021 Share Posted January 28, 2021 Travis Etienne would look good in a Bills jersey....Brian Daboll's version of CJ Spiller. 1 2 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Over 29 years of fanhood Posted January 28, 2021 Share Posted January 28, 2021 (edited) 18 minutes ago, John from Riverside said: T. White was in that area of the draft.........Beane found him....he can do it again. The key is to not get boxed in a specific position......ie. if Running Back is the best value.......go with running back......if linebacker is the best player available.....go there If Beane found him the Panthers aren’t going to be happy about it. but your idea is interesting, instead of drafting for a position take the available player that looks like the best. Edited January 28, 2021 by Over 29 years of fanhood 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thurman#1 Posted January 28, 2021 Share Posted January 28, 2021 (edited) 17 minutes ago, John from Riverside said: I absolutely believe that Beane was involved with that pick. That says more about problems with your thinking than it does about McDermott. Doing that would literally have been stealing from his ownership. It would have been industrial espionage. It did not happen. But if you feel the need to believe that, go right ahead. There's plenty of room for completel nuttiness in the world. You might want to look in on the "JFK and Elvis are alive and living together on the moon" thing. I hear they've got a few vacancies over there. Edited January 28, 2021 by Thurman#1 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NewEra Posted January 28, 2021 Share Posted January 28, 2021 Just now, FireChans said: He was in the Carolina War Room drafting Bills players all night? Going to the bathroom to call McD every 30 minutes? No. Maybe one call. Maybe a couple text messages. It’s not hard. Think what you like. All I know is.....we don’t know and shouldn’t act like we do know. 4 minutes ago, Thurman#1 said: That says more about problems with your thinking than it does about McDermott. Doing that would literally have been stealing from his ownership. It would have been industrial espionage. It did not happen. But if you feel the need to believe that, go right ahead. There's plenty of room for completel nuttiness in the world. Think what you want. You do not know this Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FireChans Posted January 28, 2021 Share Posted January 28, 2021 Just now, NewEra said: No. Maybe one call. Maybe a couple text messages. It’s not hard. Think what you like. All I know is.....we don’t know and shouldn’t act like we do know. We absolutely “know” that Brandon F. Beane was employed in the FO of the Carolina Football Panthers on draft night. We also “know” that he was not hired until after said draft was over. Drawing the conclusion that he was “making picks” for Bills means you need a new set of crayons. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
78thealltimegreat Posted January 28, 2021 Share Posted January 28, 2021 20 minutes ago, DCbillsfan said: Beane will find a playmaker with speed. My guess is WR. Rondell Moore would be t perfect fit for what we do here 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FireChans Posted January 28, 2021 Share Posted January 28, 2021 7 minutes ago, Big Turk said: Travis Etienne would look good in a Bills jersey....Brian Daboll's version of CJ Spiller. Perhaps the worst sales pitch in the history of the NFL draft. 3 1 10 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bob in STL Posted January 28, 2021 Share Posted January 28, 2021 4 minutes ago, Big Turk said: Travis Etienne would look good in a Bills jersey....Brian Daboll's version of CJ Spiller. ^ Probably will be long gone. “Fixing” the running game may have more to do with a stud OG than spending pick 30 on a RB. At pick 30 he will likely find a solid starter that is ready to play soon than an impact player. At least based on my definition of an impact player. You never know. 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Miyagi-Do Karate Posted January 28, 2021 Share Posted January 28, 2021 3 minutes ago, FireChans said: Perhaps the worst sales pitch in the history of the NFL draft. Etienne and Spiller are both excellent and very similar. In fact, here is a picture of both of them together: 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John from Riverside Posted January 28, 2021 Author Share Posted January 28, 2021 4 minutes ago, FireChans said: Perhaps the worst sales pitch in the history of the NFL draft. Yeah I really dont like that comparison either Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NewEra Posted January 28, 2021 Share Posted January 28, 2021 3 minutes ago, FireChans said: We absolutely “know” that Brandon F. Beane was employed in the FO of the Carolina Football Panthers on draft night. We also “know” that he was not hired until after said draft was over. Drawing the conclusion that he was “making picks” for Bills means you need a new set of crayons. Yup. While we know he was employed in Carolina, you 💯 don’t know that he didn’t have any influence on the picks in that draft. Childish insults never prove anything. Continue on. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Charles Romes Posted January 28, 2021 Share Posted January 28, 2021 Taking a page from the Diggs trade playbook I actually think the sweet spot In value is trading that pick for a proven player who is in the top 10 in his position. Let’s be honest a pick at 30 is essentially a 2nd round pick. At the same time it can still be sold to a trade partner’s fan base as a first round pick. Why not eliminate all the doubt and get a proved top ten at his position player. Plenty of teams will be unloading assets this off-season. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NewEra Posted January 28, 2021 Share Posted January 28, 2021 16 minutes ago, Thurman#1 said: That says more about problems with your thinking than it does about McDermott. Doing that would literally have been stealing from his ownership. It would have been industrial espionage. It did not happen. But if you feel the need to believe that, go right ahead. There's plenty of room for completel nuttiness in the world. You might want to look in on the "JFK and Elvis are alive and living together on the moon" thing. I hear they've got a few vacancies over there. 11 minutes ago, FireChans said: We absolutely “know” that Brandon F. Beane was employed in the FO of the Carolina Football Panthers on draft night. We also “know” that he was not hired until after said draft was over. Drawing the conclusion that he was “making picks” for Bills means you need a new set of crayons. It’s probably just a coincidence that we traded up ahead of the panthers to draft WR, Zay Jones. The panthers then select a WR, Curtis Samuel. then later in the same round, the bills trade up to the pick ahead of Carolina to take OL Dawkins. Carolina selects OL Taylor Moton Pure coincidence 💯 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Buffalo Barbarian Posted January 28, 2021 Share Posted January 28, 2021 A top guard could be had at that pick, which we definitely need opposite of Feliciano ( who needs to be resigned) . Our line was poor at run and pass blocking until Feliciano came back and went to solid pass blocking and ok run blocking. We really need to improve both lines if we want to take the next step ( better press coverage as well) 5 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JimBob2232 Posted January 28, 2021 Share Posted January 28, 2021 I vote for Pat Friermuth. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
somnus00 Posted January 28, 2021 Share Posted January 28, 2021 I'm hoping he trades down. I'd rather have 3 2nd round picks than a 30th and 60th. We have holes to fill <insert ubiquitous Michael Scott joke here>. I'd like to see CB, OL, and athletic front 7. 1 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jay_Fixit Posted January 28, 2021 Share Posted January 28, 2021 1 hour ago, John from Riverside said: T. White was in that area of the draft.........Beane found him....he can do it again. The key is to not get boxed in a specific position......ie. if Running Back is the best value.......go with running back......if linebacker is the best player available.....go there I think Beane is smarter than someone who locks into a specific position. AKA BPA. Like how drafting is supposed to be done. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Big Turk Posted January 28, 2021 Share Posted January 28, 2021 (edited) 1 hour ago, Bob in STL said: ^ Probably will be long gone. “Fixing” the running game may have more to do with a stud OG than spending pick 30 on a RB. At pick 30 he will likely find a solid starter that is ready to play soon than an impact player. At least based on my definition of an impact player. You never know. Most of the mock drafts have him still there. In fact most don't have any RBs off the board by our pick so Najee Harris would be there also... Maybe but good guards can be had in the mid rounds. Same with RBs too but when you have a chance to add this type of speed on the field you should probably do it when you are competing with KC. 1 hour ago, FireChans said: Perhaps the worst sales pitch in the history of the NFL draft. Spiller was amazing for 1 year, averaging over 6 YPC and having what seemed like a long highlight reel play every week...that team lacked talent and Spiller lacked instincts to hit the hole to be anything more than a 1 year wonder. If Etienne had that type of impact as his base I would take it in a heartbeat. Edited January 28, 2021 by Big Turk 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Buffalo Barbarian Posted January 28, 2021 Share Posted January 28, 2021 23 minutes ago, ScottLaw said: A Guard with your first round pick? No thanks. Give me pass rusher, WR or dynamic RB if one is available, dynamic TE if there even is one in the draft, and I've opened up to the idea of a CB. Except he's been known to draft for need. See Cody Ford and Zack Moss last year. If guard is the best player at that spot then we should. Good luck getting a top pass rusher there. Dont need another running back, the guys we have our fine the line just sucks at run blocking. TE would be nice too at 30. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
InEnemyTerritory Posted January 28, 2021 Share Posted January 28, 2021 2 hours ago, NewEra said: Tough to say that that Beane didn’t draft Tre. He wasn’t the GM but all signs point towards him drafting Zay and dawkins. I’m not claiming to know who drafted him.....just that i don’t know for sure. Beane may have had a lot of influence on the pick, it just can’t be proven because it wouldve been illegal Doug Whaley drafted Peterman and Zay Jones, Beane drafted White, Dawkins, and Milano. Everybody knows this 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Buffalo Junction Posted January 28, 2021 Share Posted January 28, 2021 (edited) 6 minutes ago, Buffalo Barbarian said: If guard is the best player at that spot then we should. Good luck getting a top pass rusher there. Dont need another running back, the guys we have our fine the line just sucks at run blocking. TE would be nice too at 30. Agree on the pass rusher. Outside of the top 10 they usually take time to develop even when they do hit. I’m not against an edge player, but it’s be unfair to expect them to walk in the door and get 10 sacks their rookie year. Now, if they manage to nab a top DT in FA or through trade grooming a DE along with Epenesa and Johnson to take over for Hughes and Addison makes sense. Edited January 28, 2021 by Buffalo Junction 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Firebaugh Kid Posted January 28, 2021 Share Posted January 28, 2021 Najee Harris. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jay_Fixit Posted January 28, 2021 Share Posted January 28, 2021 51 minutes ago, ScottLaw said: A Guard with your first round pick? No thanks. Give me pass rusher, WR or dynamic RB if one is available, dynamic TE if there even is one in the draft, and I've opened up to the idea of a CB. Except he's been known to draft for need. See Cody Ford and Zack Moss last year. PAC-12 Offensive player of the year in round 3 was need? nope. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NewEra Posted January 28, 2021 Share Posted January 28, 2021 49 minutes ago, Big Turk said: Most of the mock drafts have him still there. In fact most don't have any RBs off the board by our pick so Najee Harris would be there also... Maybe but good guards can be had in the mid rounds. Same with RBs too but when you have a chance to add this type of speed on the field you should probably do it when you are competing with KC. Spiller was amazing for 1 year, averaging over 6 YPC and having what seemed like a long highlight reel play every week...that team lacked talent and Spiller lacked instincts to hit the hole to be anything more than a 1 year wonder. If Etienne had that type of impact as his base I would take it in a heartbeat. Most mocks I’ve seen have Etienne off the board while only a few have both Etienne and Harris off the board Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FireChans Posted January 28, 2021 Share Posted January 28, 2021 2 hours ago, NewEra said: It’s probably just a coincidence that we traded up ahead of the panthers to draft WR, Zay Jones. The panthers then select a WR, Curtis Samuel. then later in the same round, the bills trade up to the pick ahead of Carolina to take OL Dawkins. Carolina selects OL Taylor Moton Pure coincidence 💯 An amazing coincidence. Almost like our newly hired HC used to work there and knew who they may have been targeting. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Augie Posted January 28, 2021 Share Posted January 28, 2021 3 hours ago, NewEra said: No. Maybe one call. Maybe a couple text messages. It’s not hard. Think what you like. All I know is.....we don’t know and shouldn’t act like we do know. Think what you want. You do not know this It could have been over beers a couple months earlier that they talked about who they really liked or guys they had questions about. We almost certainly will never know what happened (or didn't) behind the scenes there. All I know for sure is I like how it turned out! 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Buffalo716 Posted January 28, 2021 Share Posted January 28, 2021 3 hours ago, NewEra said: It’s probably just a coincidence that we traded up ahead of the panthers to draft WR, Zay Jones. The panthers then select a WR, Curtis Samuel. then later in the same round, the bills trade up to the pick ahead of Carolina to take OL Dawkins. Carolina selects OL Taylor Moton Pure coincidence 💯 McDermott was there and was privy to their scouting information He knew that they liked Dawkins and Zay Jones 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Royale with Cheese Posted January 28, 2021 Share Posted January 28, 2021 2 hours ago, ScottLaw said: See Cody Ford and Zack Moss last year. You’ve decided to determine those are need picks? Let me know how you knew Beane’s Big Board rankings. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NewEra Posted January 28, 2021 Share Posted January 28, 2021 29 minutes ago, Buffalo716 said: McDermott was there and was privy to their scouting information He knew that they liked Dawkins and Zay Jones And that’s all we know 1 hour ago, FireChans said: An amazing coincidence. Almost like our newly hired HC used to work there and knew who they may have been targeting. Yup. And using cell phones is such a difficult thing to do. Touching buttons is hard. like I said. We’ll never know Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chandler#81 Posted January 28, 2021 Share Posted January 28, 2021 I agree, @John from Riverside, but I think he’ll go with last years’ scheme and use it in a trade pkg to bring in an established Pass rusher. Jmo. Even with Stefon Diggs, he mined gold last Draft and I already see 2nd contracts likely being offered to Bass, AJ, Gabe & prolly Fromm.. How do you get past not seeing and interviewing prospects? Trade the pick. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
4BillsintheBurgh Posted January 28, 2021 Share Posted January 28, 2021 19 minutes ago, NewEra said: And that’s all we know Yup. And using cell phones is such a difficult thing to do. Touching buttons is hard. like I said. We’ll never know You'll never know, don't include the rest of us. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Process Posted January 28, 2021 Share Posted January 28, 2021 There aren't many positions where we couldnt use an upgrade. Outside of QB and maybe S, you could make a case for any position at 30. Should be in a good spot to take BPA. In general I don't like taking RBs or OL in Rd 1 though. I do like the idea of trading down. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NewEra Posted January 28, 2021 Share Posted January 28, 2021 21 minutes ago, 4BillsintheBurgh said: You'll never know, don't include the rest of us. 👍🏻 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John from Riverside Posted January 28, 2021 Author Share Posted January 28, 2021 1 hour ago, Chandler#81 said: I agree, @John from Riverside, but I think he’ll go with last years’ scheme and use it in a trade pkg to bring in an established Pass rusher. Jmo. Even with Stefon Diggs, he mined gold last Draft and I already see 2nd contracts likely being offered to Bass, AJ, Gabe & prolly Fromm.. How do you get past not seeing and interviewing prospects? Trade the pick. I also could see this.....but I am trying to take salary cap ramifications into it......draft picks are on cheap cost controlled contracts. but We should absolutely be in win now mode....... 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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