ToBillsFan Posted January 25, 2021 Share Posted January 25, 2021 (edited) Please hear me out and don’t just assume I’m trying to cause problems because I don’t think what I’m about to write is true but it’s a thought. The Bills and mainly Josh had an outstanding season and nobody can deny that. They did it though with empty stands, so in turn a simulated practice setting. This took away some of the noise and pressures of performing in front of others. Yesterday seemed to be the closest setting to a full stadium that we’ve seen all season and the Bills look overwhelmed and outmatched. We have already seen Josh get rattled in previous years under the spotlight and yesterday was a memory of that. Like I said I really don’t think that is the case but we will see next season when hopefully fans return, whether or not that added pressure and noise has a negative impact. This is an open discussion and I love my Bills and Josh especially so this is not to stir up any kind of negativity. Edited January 25, 2021 by ToBillsFan 1 1 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ALLEN1QB Posted January 25, 2021 Share Posted January 25, 2021 Yep was thinking the same thing. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Greg S Posted January 25, 2021 Share Posted January 25, 2021 Better not be an issue. When things (hopefully) get back to normal the team will be playing to packed stadiums both at home and on the road. Last night KC showed they are a lot better than the Bills. That is why the Bills lost. 1 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NewEra Posted January 25, 2021 Share Posted January 25, 2021 It definitely is an issue for many QBs. I don’t think that was THE issue last night, but I do think 17 can get rattled Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Plano Posted January 25, 2021 Share Posted January 25, 2021 There were like 12 people there, these guys are used to playing with 70,000+ weekly. I don't think the few fans at the stadium made much of a difference. We were beaten by a better team with a better gameplan. Periodt 1 2 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Process Posted January 25, 2021 Share Posted January 25, 2021 If our QB can't play in wind, can't play in rain, can't play in front of fans, we have an issue... 1 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mark80 Posted January 25, 2021 Share Posted January 25, 2021 Nah, I think Pat Mahomes, clearly the best player in the league, is the issue. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nextmanup Posted January 25, 2021 Share Posted January 25, 2021 I think it is fair to suggest Josh can get rattled at times, and when he does get rattled, he doesn't perform well and is prone to making really bone headed mistakes. He probably should have been picked 3 times last night. This needs to be worked on and in theory will naturally go away with more age and experience. Does the crowd or lack of it have something to do with all this? Very possibly, yes. If I was on the team and inexperienced, I personally would enjoy the empty stadiums. I don't know how that doesn't calm things down and make it seem more like a routine practice. 2 minutes ago, Mark80 said: Nah, I think Pat Mahomes, clearly the best player in the league, is the issue. The crowd isn't the *sole* reason why we lost. It's probably not even in the top 5 reasons why we lost. But the question was did it have an impact at all. I think it did. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Just Jack Posted January 25, 2021 Share Posted January 25, 2021 Miami had fans in the stands when they play there. How many other games had fans? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Greg S Posted January 25, 2021 Share Posted January 25, 2021 He has been in the league three years now. The first two seasons during normal times with sellout crowds. Going into year 4 playing in front of fans shouldn't be an issue. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mark Vader Posted January 25, 2021 Share Posted January 25, 2021 The way our offensive line played last night, I would be shocked if Josh Allen didn't get rattled. If any QB gets pressured like that, they will get rattled. Despite that, Allen was doing all he could to get the offense moving. The fans/crowd noise is a lesser issue, if it's an issue at all. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Do The Reich Thing Posted January 25, 2021 Share Posted January 25, 2021 The crazy thing about watching JA is I feel from the get go with the demeanor and look in his eyes if he's feeling the jitters in a game. I can't tell you it's 100% accurate, but I can tell you that he looked unsettled from the get go yesterday. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Niagara Dude Posted January 25, 2021 Share Posted January 25, 2021 12 minutes ago, ToBillsFan said: Please here me out and don’t just assume I’m trying to cause problems because I don’t think what I’m about to write is true but it’s a thought. The Bills and mainly Josh had an outstanding season and nobody can deny that. They did it though with empty stands, so in turn a simulated practice setting. This took away some of the noise and pressures of performing in front of others. Yesterday seemed to be the closest setting to a full stadium that we’ve seen all season and the Bills look overwhelmed and outmatched. We have already seen Josh get rattled in previous years under the spotlight and yesterday was a memory of that. Like I said I really don’t think that is the case but we will see next season when hopefully fans return, whether or not that added pressure and noise has a negative impact. This is an open discussion and I love my Bills and Josh especially so this is not to stir up any kind of negativity. I think even Patrick suffered a loss in first attempt at championship game, Josh will learn from this one but the players around him also need to do better. Had our defence create a couple of turnovers that would have helped. Frazier played a soft zone allowing KC to both chew clock and score, no attempt to get shots into Mahomes and make him uncomfortable after return with both a bad toe anfd concussion. KC's plan was to rush hard off the ends forcing Josh to step up, KC also knows Mitch Morse's weakness is standing up to a hard push up the middle which forced Allen to back peddle over stepping up in the pocket. How many plays did we see Allen back peddling towards his own endzone? I remember the one 3rd a goal from inside the 5 yard liner line where Allen threw the ball from outside of his own 15 Get him a feature RB with speed along with an attacking defence that gets turnovers and Allen will be just fine. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RobbRiddick Posted January 25, 2021 Share Posted January 25, 2021 2 minutes ago, Just Jack said: Miami had fans in the stands when they play there. How many other games had fans? Titans game had fans. But then the first game against KC didn't. This thought had crossed my mind a few times recently but we won't know if there's anything to it until next season. I do think the lack of fans has helped with certain QBs developments, especially some of the rookies. Josh is a guy who obviously gets very pumped up before games, he even said he listens to more chilled music now to bring him down a bit before games, so I absolutely think with these big games the addition of the crowd pumps him up even more and maybe makes it harder for him to calm down. But it's more likely the fact that it's a new experience. Last year's WC he went nuts for a while and looked shaken on the sidelines. This year against the Colts he kept his cool for pretty much the whole game. Yes it was at home but he'd been in that situation before. If he reaches another Championship game next year I'd expect him to handle it much better, even if the game is going badly as it did yesterday. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Southern_Bills Posted January 25, 2021 Share Posted January 25, 2021 18 minutes ago, Mark80 said: Nah, I think Pat Mahomes, clearly the best player in the league, is the issue. Mahomes don't play defense, I understand he put up points but that should have no effect on Allen. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gugny Posted January 25, 2021 Share Posted January 25, 2021 29 minutes ago, ToBillsFan said: Please here me out and don’t just assume I’m trying to cause problems because I don’t think what I’m about to write is true but it’s a thought. The Bills and mainly Josh had an outstanding season and nobody can deny that. They did it though with empty stands, so in turn a simulated practice setting. This took away some of the noise and pressures of performing in front of others. Yesterday seemed to be the closest setting to a full stadium that we’ve seen all season and the Bills look overwhelmed and outmatched. We have already seen Josh get rattled in previous years under the spotlight and yesterday was a memory of that. Like I said I really don’t think that is the case but we will see next season when hopefully fans return, whether or not that added pressure and noise has a negative impact. This is an open discussion and I love my Bills and Josh especially so this is not to stir up any kind of negativity. If this is truly an issue, then Josh Allen isn't the right guy. That said - I believe 100% that he IS the right guy. We got our asses kicked yesterday because we played a team that was a lot more talented on offense AND defense; and their coaching staff is much better than ours. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cheektowaga Chad Posted January 25, 2021 Share Posted January 25, 2021 This topic was bound to come up and it's a valid concern in my opinion During his draft year what did we hear - looks good in shorts ie. A practice setting Fast forward to week 1 of 2020 post game press conference - what does bill belichick compare playing in front of no fans to.....practice Do I think Allen can't play in front of crowds, no I don't but I do think having little to no crowd help him develop throughout the season Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kwai San Posted January 25, 2021 Share Posted January 25, 2021 I was more worried about the near CONSTANT changing of the plays at the LOS......that was unnerving.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SCBills Posted January 25, 2021 Share Posted January 25, 2021 (edited) I think Allen, and his ability to get rattled/hype too easily, is a valid concern. I do think it's something that he can work at, and is something that will naturally dissipate with experience. That said, it's all the more reason we need our coaches/players to help lift him up in these moments. When we know he is susceptible to this and a guy like Devin Singletary drops a pass in the game/situation that he did, it can spiral. Especially when the OL was struggling and the WR's couldn't win their battles. He needs a safety valve. Whether that's a big target Tight End or a reliable pass catcher out of the backfield, last night made that painfully obvious. KC took away our haymaker (WR's). We developed no other punches throughout the course of the season. That's not Championship Caliber Football to be that unbalanced....especially with a wildly average Defense. Get Allen a jab that he can fall back on and I think his sugar rush moments will start to fade away - no matter what the crowd is like. Edited January 25, 2021 by SCBills Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
H2o Posted January 25, 2021 Share Posted January 25, 2021 18 minutes ago, Mark Vader said: The way our offensive line played last night, I would be shocked if Josh Allen didn't get rattled. If any QB gets pressured like that, they will get rattled. Despite that, Allen was doing all he could to get the offense moving. The fans/crowd noise is a lesser issue, if it's an issue at all. Exactly. Snap the ball, 1 Mississippi, 2 Mississi-crap!!!, run for your life. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nextmanup Posted January 25, 2021 Share Posted January 25, 2021 11 minutes ago, Gugny said: If this is truly an issue, then Josh Allen isn't the right guy. That said - I believe 100% that he IS the right guy. We got our asses kicked yesterday because we played a team that was a lot more talented on offense AND defense; and their coaching staff is much better than ours. All of that is true, but Josh also had a pretty crap performance which can't be overlooked. He most definitely has a "rattled mode" and it's pretty darned obvious when he enters it. He's still entering it even at this stage of his career, which is concerning. Hopefully he naturally grows out of it with age and experience. He took a gigantic leap from 2019 to 2020; if he can even take another small step into 2021 we'll be looking good. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gugny Posted January 25, 2021 Share Posted January 25, 2021 7 minutes ago, Nextmanup said: All of that is true, but Josh also had a pretty crap performance which can't be overlooked. He most definitely has a "rattled mode" and it's pretty darned obvious when he enters it. He's still entering it even at this stage of his career, which is concerning. Hopefully he naturally grows out of it with age and experience. He took a gigantic leap from 2019 to 2020; if he can even take another small step into 2021 we'll be looking good. I don't think he was rattled. I think he had a beaten up WR corps and an O line who didn't protect him. He absolutely had a bad game, but I really think it was because KC is just a much, much better team. For now. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Boatdrinks Posted January 25, 2021 Share Posted January 25, 2021 No, not an issue because all the teams play in the same conditions. Don’t think it was an issue at all last night, or any other game this year where fans were present. The team is not as talented as the Chiefs, and they were also soundly outcoached in every aspect. Noise wasn’t a factor. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SCBills Posted January 25, 2021 Share Posted January 25, 2021 2 minutes ago, Nextmanup said: All of that is true, but Josh also had a pretty crap performance which can't be overlooked. He most definitely has a "rattled mode" and it's pretty darned obvious when he enters it. He's still entering it even at this stage of his career, which is concerning. Hopefully he naturally grows out of it with age and experience. He took a gigantic leap from 2019 to 2020; if he can even take another small step into 2021 we'll be looking good. The throw he made down the sideline that was literally right to the undercutting defender was the only real "bruhhhh" moment I saw last night. That moment, I said out loud... "Josh is shook right now." I do think he calmed down after that, but with nobody else stepping up, we had no shot to get back in the game. Then he just went hero mode.. which I can't really fault. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheFunPolice Posted January 25, 2021 Share Posted January 25, 2021 I wouldn't necessarily say there will be capacity crowds this fall. Maybe 25-50%. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Johnnycage46 Posted January 25, 2021 Share Posted January 25, 2021 37 minutes ago, Do The Reich Thing said: The crazy thing about watching JA is I feel from the get go with the demeanor and look in his eyes if he's feeling the jitters in a game. I can't tell you it's 100% accurate, but I can tell you that he looked unsettled from the get go yesterday. To me, he had the same look in the Ravens game. Played a little tight in both games and just had that look in the eyes. Not sure if it is a thing or not but again, to me, but the look in his eyes did seem to correlate to his play in both the Ravens and Chiefs games. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Do The Reich Thing Posted January 25, 2021 Share Posted January 25, 2021 41 minutes ago, Johnnycage46 said: To me, he had the same look in the Ravens game. Played a little tight in both games and just had that look in the eyes. Not sure if it is a thing or not but again, to me, but the look in his eyes did seem to correlate to his play in both the Ravens and Chiefs games. Agreed, man. Sometimes the moment just seems too big. I don't think it will always be like that and he'll mature and grow from it, but you can see the unease in his eyes and emotions in big spots sometimes. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CincyBillsFan Posted January 25, 2021 Share Posted January 25, 2021 1 hour ago, ToBillsFan said: Please hear me out and don’t just assume I’m trying to cause problems because I don’t think what I’m about to write is true but it’s a thought. The Bills and mainly Josh had an outstanding season and nobody can deny that. They did it though with empty stands, so in turn a simulated practice setting. This took away some of the noise and pressures of performing in front of others. Yesterday seemed to be the closest setting to a full stadium that we’ve seen all season and the Bills look overwhelmed and outmatched. We have already seen Josh get rattled in previous years under the spotlight and yesterday was a memory of that. Like I said I really don’t think that is the case but we will see next season when hopefully fans return, whether or not that added pressure and noise has a negative impact. This is an open discussion and I love my Bills and Josh especially so this is not to stir up any kind of negativity. I don't buy this at all. Late in the season when you started to see fans coming back into the stadiums the Bills were still winning their games in style and that includes two playoff wins against very good teams. The issue is that for 31 teams the season ends on a loss. And the further in the playoffs you go the more disappointing the loss. Yesterday's loss was entirely predictable: * we were playing the best team in football who went 14 - 2 and were defending Super Bowl Champs. * The Bills had a fatal flaw on offense that only 2 teams exploited - the Chiefs & Ravens. That flaw was NO running game and RB's/TE's that were not very dangerous in the passing game. We were one dimensional on O - Allen throwing to WR's. In hindsight it's amazing the Bills O played as well as they did this season. That's a testimony to the elite QB & WR play we enjoyed. * On defense the fatal flaw was that the defensive line didn't have a dominant pass rusher or top level run stopper. Missing these things forced the coaches to game plan on D to hide the defect. That left us vulnerable to an offense that game planned better like KC. These factors have far more to do with yesterdays loss then the presence or absence of fans. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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