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2 minutes ago, Bangarang said:


Every OC has never called plays at some point. 

I think when you are going to work for a defensive minded HC the ante might be higher on playcalling experience for the OC

2 minutes ago, Buffalo_Stampede said:

His resume is Cam Newton and Josh Allen. 2 MVP type QB's. 

 

Calling plays isn't hard. The difficult part is putting together a game plan that works best for the talent on the roster. 

He’s been involved in the game planning part in Buffalo. That’s not the concern. 

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Yet another unchartered course for the team. For a couple decades, we were lucky to take scraps off the heap after all the other teams filled vacancies. Our ‘let gos’ seemed never to be heard from again. Now? Poachers are out in full force crawling around Bills Stadium like cockroaches on a cold Florida morning..

 

dammit. 

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1 minute ago, YoloinOhio said:

I think when you are going to work for a defensive minded HC the ante might be higher on playcalling experience for the OC

He’s been involved in the game planning part in Buffalo. That’s not the concern. 

He's part of it, not in charge of it. You see that card coaches use? That's like 1/8 of an NFL play book. It's got their best plays that week for every situation. Give me Andy Reid's card and I can call plays. 

 

Sure there is a feel to the game also but creating the actual plan during the week is the hardest part. Really starts in the offseason. 

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I have him at the top of our list to replace Daboll as far as in house candidates.  If the org feels the same, to keep him we could assign the assistant coach designation to him which would keep him anything but an HC position ?

 

Of course external candidates are plentiful (daboll) but in-house experiences and time spent next season on campus (pending Daboll departure) would be a key factor as well I would think

 

Thoughts ?

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6 minutes ago, First Round Bust said:

I have him at the top of our list to replace Daboll as far as in house candidates.  If the org feels the same, to keep him we could assign the assistant coach designation to him which would keep him anything but an HC position ?

 

Of course external candidates are plentiful (daboll) but in-house experiences and time spent next season on campus (pending Daboll departure) would be a key factor as well I would think

 

Thoughts ?

From what I understand there is no way to prevent an assistant coach from becoming a coordinator anymore. In the past you could do that but not anymore. 

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1 hour ago, JaCrispy said:

Why? He’s never called plays...

 

That's true of most OCs getting their first shot.

 

While the opportunity to work with Russ Wilson is certainly attractive,  some are sounding a note of caution:

https://www.nbcsports.com/northwest/seahawks/why-seahawks-need-new-oc-insignificant-if-pete-carroll-remains-micromanager

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Let’s start with Saturday, a game in which the Seahawks offense got comprehensively whooped by the Rams defense in the 30-20 Wild Card loss. That primarily falls on Schottenheimer. But you surely remember that crucial 4th-and-1 situation in the fourth quarter with Seattle trailing by 10 points. After Damien Lewis' injury on third down, the Seahawks had roughly two-and-a-half minutes in real time to come up with a play call.

 

And yet, Wilson and the offense broke the huddle with about five seconds left on the play clock and ultimately were penalized for a back-breaking false start. We then learned on Monday that the root of that penalty was because Pete Carroll was “fighting the (play) call a bit,” he shared on 710 ESPN Seattle.

 

That means, with the season on the line, in a moment where Schottenheimer was tasked with picking the singular play he felt gave Seattle the best chance to convert, Carroll stepped into the kitchen and vetoed.

 

Imagine dealing with that sort of micromanaging at any point, let alone under those levels of pressure and consequence.

 

Carroll also admitted to seeing the play clock winding down and choosing not to call timeout. He said multiple times that he was just fine punting in that scenario.

 

Set aside whether or not you cared for Schottenheimer. Many didn't, of course. You may have been among those who wanted him gone and this is good news to you.

 

But he was still Seattle’s OC and the chief offensive expert on the coaching staff. Those are the moments that define you as a professional, and he had the ball taken out of his hands.

 

Ask yourself whether that’s a situation you’d want to return to.

 

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Some worthy candidates might not want the job given Carroll’s oversight and vision, even with the allure of working with Russell Wilson. Others will be handpicked to execute Carroll’s vision.

 

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The moral of the story is this: Until Pete Carroll removes himself from the offense, the acumen and ability of any future OC will continue to be diluted, at least to a certain degree.

 

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Then there's this:

https://www.msn.com/en-us/sports/nfl/seahawks-oc-search-ken-dorsey-and-shane-waldron-linked-to-seattle/ar-BB1d2X7S

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SB Nation John P. Gilbert

So, when the Kansas City Chiefs host the Buffalo Bills in the AFC Championship Game, quarterbacks coach for the Bills Ken Dorsey could be preoccupied with the fact that he might have the opportunity to coach a real quarterback in the future.

 

Exact quote.  1 hr ago. 

 

Completion % Allen 4th, Wilson 6th

Passing yards Allen 5th, Wilson 9th

YPA, Allen 6th, Wilson 14th

Passing TDs Wilson 3rd, Allen

Interception % Allen 10th, Wilson 22nd

 

The casual disrespect of us, It's Real

"Bills Ken Dorsey could be preoccupied with the fact that he might have the opportunity to coach a real quarterback in the future"  Un-*****-believable.

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16 minutes ago, Hapless Bills Fan said:

Then there's this:

https://www.msn.com/en-us/sports/nfl/seahawks-oc-search-ken-dorsey-and-shane-waldron-linked-to-seattle/ar-BB1d2X7S

 

Exact quote.  1 hr ago. 

 

Completion % Allen 4th, Wilson 6th

Passing yards Allen 5th, Wilson 9th

YPA, Allen 6th, Wilson 14th

Passing TDs Wilson 3rd, Allen

Interception % Allen 10th, Wilson 22nd

 

The casual disrespect of us, It's Real

"Bills Ken Dorsey could be preoccupied with the fact that he might have the opportunity to coach a real quarterback in the future"  Un-*****-believable.

 

That's some next level stupid.  Trying to be the next Nick Wrong I see...

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Ken Dorsey is not stupid. 

He understands that Brian Daboll will likely be with the Bills one more season, and then he will be promoted to the Offensive Coordinator in Buffalo.

 

So his decision is to pick up his family, move to Seattle and run a team with inferior offensive weapons 😁, just so he can get the promotion 12 months early?  Or stick around with a Super Bowl contender for another season, and then take over in 2022?

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Then there's this

 

https://www.fieldgulls.com/platform/amp/2021/1/24/22247151/seattle-seahawks-oc-search-buffalo-bills-ken-dorsey-los-angeles-rams-shane-waldron-linked-to-seattle

 

"So, when the Kansas City Chiefs host the Buffalo Bills in the AFC Championship Game, quarterbacks coach for the Bills Ken Dorsey could be preoccupied with the fact that he might have the opportunity to coach a real quarterback in the future."

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On 1/24/2021 at 10:57 AM, Brennan Huff said:

This is what happens to good teams. And I expect this to happen to us for the foreseeable future. Teams are going to try to emulate us and our culture. Next man up

Yes? How can I help you?

 

 

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7 minutes ago, YoloinOhio said:

Dan Sileo is a hack. 

 

Did Dorsey interview with them previously, which is what "speaking again" implies?

 

According to this article published today and discussing whether he'd be a good fit, the Dolphins apparently have not expressed interest: "Dorsey, who has not even been formally attached to the Dolphins’ job....."

 

Flores seems to be a good coach building a good team, but he changes OCs like some other guys change shirts.  Personally, when a HC hires and fires two different OCs in 2 years, I don't think I want to uproot my family for that situation, especially if it's a guy I've never worked with or had some kind of relationship with.

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Good news that Dorsey is safe

9 hours ago, BillsFan4 said:


Seattle hired Rams pass game coordinator Shane Waldron as OC but what’s up with Miami? I didn’t know they were interested in Dorsey.


 

 

Everyone should be interested in Dorsey after seeing what the Bills have done with Josh.

 

That said, I hope he realizes his smartest, safest path to success is staying in Buffalo. Daboll will get a HC spot, and Dorsey will get a promotion. And in 2-3 years, Dorsey will be a prime HC candidate.

 

If he goes somewhere else, to a struggling or rebuilding team as OC now, the whole staff gets canned in a year or two and then he has to come back and start over.

 

Buffalo is the place to be for coaches and players.

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10 minutes ago, DrDawkinstein said:
Everyone should be interested in Dorsey after seeing what the Bills have done with Josh.

 

That said, I hope he realizes his smartest, safest path to success is staying in Buffalo. Daboll will get a HC spot, and Dorsey will get a promotion. And in 2-3 years, Dorsey will be a prime HC candidate.

 

If he goes somewhere else, to a struggling or rebuilding team as OC now, the whole staff gets canned in a year or two and then he has to come back and start over.

 

Buffalo is the place to be for coaches and players.

 

Yeah but how much of that was him versus Palmer and Daboll who have been working with him since 2018?  Has Josh credited Dorsey with his development?

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2 minutes ago, Doc said:

 

Yeah but how much of that was him versus Palmer and Daboll who have been working with him since 2018?  Has Josh credited Dorsey with his development?

 

Doesnt really matter. He was a part of it. 80% of Josh's success is on Josh, just like any other successfully developed QB. Divvy up the rest as you see fit.

 

But being around and a part of it is all that is needed to get a promotion in the NFL, where developing QBs is crucial.

 

But that is why I specifically said "After seeing what the Bills have done with Josh", not "what Dorsey has done with Josh". It's a group effort. The point is to be a part of it.

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36 minutes ago, DrDawkinstein said:

Doesnt really matter. He was a part of it. 80% of Josh's success is on Josh, just like any other successfully developed QB. Divvy up the rest as you see fit.

 

But being around and a part of it is all that is needed to get a promotion in the NFL, where developing QBs is crucial.

 

But that is why I specifically said "After seeing what the Bills have done with Josh", not "what Dorsey has done with Josh". It's a group effort. The point is to be a part of it.

 

I actually had another response that I erased that said "since Dorsey was a part of it, other teams will assume he had a hand in it."  But the Dols hiring and promoting him to OC so as to also get him to be a QB coach to Tua isn't smart.  

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1 hour ago, DrDawkinstein said:

 

Buffalo is the place to be for coaches and players.


What a time to be alive. Remember when our offensive coordinator was Turk Schonert?

 

Edit: I had no idea he died a couple years ago. RIP

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