BillsMafi$ Posted January 24, 2021 Share Posted January 24, 2021 Per Adam Shefter 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JaCrispy Posted January 24, 2021 Share Posted January 24, 2021 Why? He’s never called plays... 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Buffalo_Stampede Posted January 24, 2021 Share Posted January 24, 2021 Not surprising. When you have a top offense teams will come looking. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bangarang Posted January 24, 2021 Share Posted January 24, 2021 1 minute ago, JaCrispy said: Why? He’s never called plays... Every OC has never called plays at some point. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Buffalo_Stampede Posted January 24, 2021 Share Posted January 24, 2021 Just now, JaCrispy said: Why? He’s never called plays... His resume is Cam Newton and Josh Allen. 2 MVP type QB's. Calling plays isn't hard. The difficult part is putting together a game plan that works best for the talent on the roster. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brennan Huff Posted January 24, 2021 Share Posted January 24, 2021 This is what happens to good teams. And I expect this to happen to us for the foreseeable future. Teams are going to try to emulate us and our culture. Next man up Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
YoloinOhio Posted January 24, 2021 Share Posted January 24, 2021 2 minutes ago, Bangarang said: Every OC has never called plays at some point. I think when you are going to work for a defensive minded HC the ante might be higher on playcalling experience for the OC 2 minutes ago, Buffalo_Stampede said: His resume is Cam Newton and Josh Allen. 2 MVP type QB's. Calling plays isn't hard. The difficult part is putting together a game plan that works best for the talent on the roster. He’s been involved in the game planning part in Buffalo. That’s not the concern. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chandler#81 Posted January 24, 2021 Share Posted January 24, 2021 Yet another unchartered course for the team. For a couple decades, we were lucky to take scraps off the heap after all the other teams filled vacancies. Our ‘let gos’ seemed never to be heard from again. Now? Poachers are out in full force crawling around Bills Stadium like cockroaches on a cold Florida morning.. dammit. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Buffalo_Stampede Posted January 24, 2021 Share Posted January 24, 2021 1 minute ago, YoloinOhio said: I think when you are going to work for a defensive minded HC the ante might be higher on playcalling experience for the OC He’s been involved in the game planning part in Buffalo. That’s not the concern. He's part of it, not in charge of it. You see that card coaches use? That's like 1/8 of an NFL play book. It's got their best plays that week for every situation. Give me Andy Reid's card and I can call plays. Sure there is a feel to the game also but creating the actual plan during the week is the hardest part. Really starts in the offseason. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
First Round Bust Posted January 24, 2021 Share Posted January 24, 2021 I have him at the top of our list to replace Daboll as far as in house candidates. If the org feels the same, to keep him we could assign the assistant coach designation to him which would keep him anything but an HC position ? Of course external candidates are plentiful (daboll) but in-house experiences and time spent next season on campus (pending Daboll departure) would be a key factor as well I would think Thoughts ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JGMcD2 Posted January 24, 2021 Share Posted January 24, 2021 15 minutes ago, JaCrispy said: Why? He’s never called plays... Because you have to start somewhere at some point... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Buffalo_Stampede Posted January 24, 2021 Share Posted January 24, 2021 (edited) 6 minutes ago, First Round Bust said: I have him at the top of our list to replace Daboll as far as in house candidates. If the org feels the same, to keep him we could assign the assistant coach designation to him which would keep him anything but an HC position ? Of course external candidates are plentiful (daboll) but in-house experiences and time spent next season on campus (pending Daboll departure) would be a key factor as well I would think Thoughts ? From what I understand there is no way to prevent an assistant coach from becoming a coordinator anymore. In the past you could do that but not anymore. Edited January 24, 2021 by Buffalo_Stampede 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wppete Posted January 24, 2021 Share Posted January 24, 2021 Damn it. I thought we were in the clear having Dorsey for 1 more year. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Over 29 years of fanhood Posted January 24, 2021 Share Posted January 24, 2021 (edited) Interview questionnaire: will you let Russ cook? A. Yes B. Wrong answer it actually strikes me as odd. The running game and o line play is their problem. QB development doesn’t seem to be the need. Edited January 24, 2021 by Over 29 years of fanhood 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HappyDays Posted January 24, 2021 Share Posted January 24, 2021 We will have plenty of qualified candidates begging to run this offense when Daboll leaves next year. This doesn't concern me at all. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Solomon Grundy Posted January 24, 2021 Share Posted January 24, 2021 Only if the Bills get draft picks 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GunnerBill Posted January 24, 2021 Share Posted January 24, 2021 Adam Gase interview didn't go well then? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JaCrispy Posted January 24, 2021 Share Posted January 24, 2021 (edited) 1 hour ago, Bangarang said: Every OC has never called plays at some point. I know... I’m just selfish because I want him to take over for Dabs, after next year...👍 Edited January 24, 2021 by JaCrispy Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hapless Bills Fan Posted January 24, 2021 Share Posted January 24, 2021 1 hour ago, JaCrispy said: Why? He’s never called plays... That's true of most OCs getting their first shot. While the opportunity to work with Russ Wilson is certainly attractive, some are sounding a note of caution: https://www.nbcsports.com/northwest/seahawks/why-seahawks-need-new-oc-insignificant-if-pete-carroll-remains-micromanager Quote Let’s start with Saturday, a game in which the Seahawks offense got comprehensively whooped by the Rams defense in the 30-20 Wild Card loss. That primarily falls on Schottenheimer. But you surely remember that crucial 4th-and-1 situation in the fourth quarter with Seattle trailing by 10 points. After Damien Lewis' injury on third down, the Seahawks had roughly two-and-a-half minutes in real time to come up with a play call. And yet, Wilson and the offense broke the huddle with about five seconds left on the play clock and ultimately were penalized for a back-breaking false start. We then learned on Monday that the root of that penalty was because Pete Carroll was “fighting the (play) call a bit,” he shared on 710 ESPN Seattle. That means, with the season on the line, in a moment where Schottenheimer was tasked with picking the singular play he felt gave Seattle the best chance to convert, Carroll stepped into the kitchen and vetoed. Imagine dealing with that sort of micromanaging at any point, let alone under those levels of pressure and consequence. Carroll also admitted to seeing the play clock winding down and choosing not to call timeout. He said multiple times that he was just fine punting in that scenario. Set aside whether or not you cared for Schottenheimer. Many didn't, of course. You may have been among those who wanted him gone and this is good news to you. But he was still Seattle’s OC and the chief offensive expert on the coaching staff. Those are the moments that define you as a professional, and he had the ball taken out of his hands. Ask yourself whether that’s a situation you’d want to return to. Quote Some worthy candidates might not want the job given Carroll’s oversight and vision, even with the allure of working with Russell Wilson. Others will be handpicked to execute Carroll’s vision. Quote The moral of the story is this: Until Pete Carroll removes himself from the offense, the acumen and ability of any future OC will continue to be diluted, at least to a certain degree. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Doc Posted January 24, 2021 Share Posted January 24, 2021 Did Carroll call that stupid pass play on the goal line in the Cheaters SB? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Buffalo Junction Posted January 24, 2021 Share Posted January 24, 2021 Anyone know if Pep Hamilton lost his job when Lynn got fired? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
YoloinOhio Posted January 24, 2021 Share Posted January 24, 2021 39 minutes ago, GunnerBill said: Adam Gase interview didn't go well then? Imagine that guy in an interview 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hapless Bills Fan Posted January 24, 2021 Share Posted January 24, 2021 Then there's this: https://www.msn.com/en-us/sports/nfl/seahawks-oc-search-ken-dorsey-and-shane-waldron-linked-to-seattle/ar-BB1d2X7S Quote SB Nation John P. Gilbert So, when the Kansas City Chiefs host the Buffalo Bills in the AFC Championship Game, quarterbacks coach for the Bills Ken Dorsey could be preoccupied with the fact that he might have the opportunity to coach a real quarterback in the future. Exact quote. 1 hr ago. Completion % Allen 4th, Wilson 6th Passing yards Allen 5th, Wilson 9th YPA, Allen 6th, Wilson 14th Passing TDs Wilson 3rd, Allen Interception % Allen 10th, Wilson 22nd The casual disrespect of us, It's Real "Bills Ken Dorsey could be preoccupied with the fact that he might have the opportunity to coach a real quarterback in the future" Un-*****-believable. 1 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Doc Posted January 24, 2021 Share Posted January 24, 2021 (edited) 16 minutes ago, Hapless Bills Fan said: Then there's this: https://www.msn.com/en-us/sports/nfl/seahawks-oc-search-ken-dorsey-and-shane-waldron-linked-to-seattle/ar-BB1d2X7S Exact quote. 1 hr ago. Completion % Allen 4th, Wilson 6th Passing yards Allen 5th, Wilson 9th YPA, Allen 6th, Wilson 14th Passing TDs Wilson 3rd, Allen Interception % Allen 10th, Wilson 22nd The casual disrespect of us, It's Real "Bills Ken Dorsey could be preoccupied with the fact that he might have the opportunity to coach a real quarterback in the future" Un-*****-believable. That's some next level stupid. Trying to be the next Nick Wrong I see... Edited January 24, 2021 by Doc Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mjt328 Posted January 24, 2021 Share Posted January 24, 2021 Ken Dorsey is not stupid. He understands that Brian Daboll will likely be with the Bills one more season, and then he will be promoted to the Offensive Coordinator in Buffalo. So his decision is to pick up his family, move to Seattle and run a team with inferior offensive weapons 😁, just so he can get the promotion 12 months early? Or stick around with a Super Bowl contender for another season, and then take over in 2022? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FLbills Posted January 25, 2021 Share Posted January 25, 2021 Then there's this https://www.fieldgulls.com/platform/amp/2021/1/24/22247151/seattle-seahawks-oc-search-buffalo-bills-ken-dorsey-los-angeles-rams-shane-waldron-linked-to-seattle "So, when the Kansas City Chiefs host the Buffalo Bills in the AFC Championship Game, quarterbacks coach for the Bills Ken Dorsey could be preoccupied with the fact that he might have the opportunity to coach a real quarterback in the future." Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BillsFan4 Posted January 27, 2021 Share Posted January 27, 2021 Seattle hired Rams pass game coordinator Shane Waldron as OC but what’s up with Miami? I didn’t know they were interested in Dorsey. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John from Riverside Posted January 27, 2021 Share Posted January 27, 2021 I just hope that they finally did something smart (getting a QB coach) and stick with it.....if someone hires the QB coach....GET ANOTHER ONE PLEASE Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nextmanup Posted January 27, 2021 Share Posted January 27, 2021 On 1/24/2021 at 10:57 AM, Brennan Huff said: This is what happens to good teams. And I expect this to happen to us for the foreseeable future. Teams are going to try to emulate us and our culture. Next man up Yes? How can I help you? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hapless Bills Fan Posted January 27, 2021 Share Posted January 27, 2021 Report is that Seasnakes are hiring LA Rams Passing Game Coordinator Shane Waldron: https://www.msn.com/en-us/sports/nfl/report-seahawks-to-hire-shane-waldron-as-new-offensive-coordinator/ar-BB1d7V2w Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GETTOTHE50 Posted January 27, 2021 Share Posted January 27, 2021 1 hour ago, BillsFan4 said: Seattle hired Rams pass game coordinator Shane Waldron as OC but what’s up with Miami? I didn’t know they were interested in Dorsey. Dorsey stays put if he knows what’s good for him Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brennan Huff Posted January 27, 2021 Share Posted January 27, 2021 8 hours ago, Nextmanup said: Yes? How can I help you? If Dorsey leaves we’re going to need you to coach the QBs Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
YoloinOhio Posted January 27, 2021 Share Posted January 27, 2021 9 hours ago, BillsFan4 said: Seattle hired Rams pass game coordinator Shane Waldron as OC but what’s up with Miami? I didn’t know they were interested in Dorsey. Dan Sileo is a hack. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hapless Bills Fan Posted January 27, 2021 Share Posted January 27, 2021 7 minutes ago, YoloinOhio said: Dan Sileo is a hack. Did Dorsey interview with them previously, which is what "speaking again" implies? According to this article published today and discussing whether he'd be a good fit, the Dolphins apparently have not expressed interest: "Dorsey, who has not even been formally attached to the Dolphins’ job....." Flores seems to be a good coach building a good team, but he changes OCs like some other guys change shirts. Personally, when a HC hires and fires two different OCs in 2 years, I don't think I want to uproot my family for that situation, especially if it's a guy I've never worked with or had some kind of relationship with. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DrDawkinstein Posted January 27, 2021 Share Posted January 27, 2021 Good news that Dorsey is safe 9 hours ago, BillsFan4 said: Seattle hired Rams pass game coordinator Shane Waldron as OC but what’s up with Miami? I didn’t know they were interested in Dorsey. Everyone should be interested in Dorsey after seeing what the Bills have done with Josh. That said, I hope he realizes his smartest, safest path to success is staying in Buffalo. Daboll will get a HC spot, and Dorsey will get a promotion. And in 2-3 years, Dorsey will be a prime HC candidate. If he goes somewhere else, to a struggling or rebuilding team as OC now, the whole staff gets canned in a year or two and then he has to come back and start over. Buffalo is the place to be for coaches and players. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Doc Posted January 27, 2021 Share Posted January 27, 2021 10 minutes ago, DrDawkinstein said: Everyone should be interested in Dorsey after seeing what the Bills have done with Josh. That said, I hope he realizes his smartest, safest path to success is staying in Buffalo. Daboll will get a HC spot, and Dorsey will get a promotion. And in 2-3 years, Dorsey will be a prime HC candidate. If he goes somewhere else, to a struggling or rebuilding team as OC now, the whole staff gets canned in a year or two and then he has to come back and start over. Buffalo is the place to be for coaches and players. Yeah but how much of that was him versus Palmer and Daboll who have been working with him since 2018? Has Josh credited Dorsey with his development? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DrDawkinstein Posted January 27, 2021 Share Posted January 27, 2021 2 minutes ago, Doc said: Yeah but how much of that was him versus Palmer and Daboll who have been working with him since 2018? Has Josh credited Dorsey with his development? Doesnt really matter. He was a part of it. 80% of Josh's success is on Josh, just like any other successfully developed QB. Divvy up the rest as you see fit. But being around and a part of it is all that is needed to get a promotion in the NFL, where developing QBs is crucial. But that is why I specifically said "After seeing what the Bills have done with Josh", not "what Dorsey has done with Josh". It's a group effort. The point is to be a part of it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Doc Posted January 27, 2021 Share Posted January 27, 2021 36 minutes ago, DrDawkinstein said: Doesnt really matter. He was a part of it. 80% of Josh's success is on Josh, just like any other successfully developed QB. Divvy up the rest as you see fit. But being around and a part of it is all that is needed to get a promotion in the NFL, where developing QBs is crucial. But that is why I specifically said "After seeing what the Bills have done with Josh", not "what Dorsey has done with Josh". It's a group effort. The point is to be a part of it. I actually had another response that I erased that said "since Dorsey was a part of it, other teams will assume he had a hand in it." But the Dols hiring and promoting him to OC so as to also get him to be a QB coach to Tua isn't smart. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Buffalo_Stampede Posted January 27, 2021 Share Posted January 27, 2021 The NFL loves McVay's coaching staff. My goodness. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brennan Huff Posted January 27, 2021 Share Posted January 27, 2021 (edited) 1 hour ago, DrDawkinstein said: Buffalo is the place to be for coaches and players. What a time to be alive. Remember when our offensive coordinator was Turk Schonert? Edit: I had no idea he died a couple years ago. RIP Edited January 27, 2021 by Brennan Huff 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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