AJ Klein: Tremaine Edmunds "a True Mike"

[Hapless Bills Fan]

5 minutes ago, GunnerBill said:

Yea mainly Sam, some Mike, even a bit of Will. 

 

One of the articles about him said he'd never played Will before this season

[BADOLBILZ]

45 minutes ago, Victory Formation said:

I think Edmunds has mega potential at Will and Sam. In passing situations he is a very good Mike. I disagree that he can’t blitz. I’ve seen him get good pressure and even push offensive linemen backwards when he rushes. Is he Luke Kuechly? Hell naw. He’ll never be a top 5 elite MLB. He’ll never be a Ray Lewis. He does have great versatility though which is extremely valuable. He can play Mike, Will and Sam at a pretty decent level. He should be moved all over. He is not an elite MLB, but he’s a good LB. I hope his contract reflects that. If he’s willing to take $9M-$10Myr I’d love to have him back when it comes time.

 

 

The past few games are probably the only 3 game stretch of Edmunds career where he has played consistently well inside.     He typically has a game here or there where he is excellent and gets people's hopes up but then disappears for a month.  

 

With his physical gifts he should be a DPOY candidate in this defense.  

 

 But instead we are told to be overwhelmed by the ordinary.

 

He's capable of creating turnovers and wreaking havoc, IMO.

 

Yet he has 1 interception and 0 forced fumbles in his last 30 games........3 TFL's on the season(compared to fellow 2018 draftee Roquan Smith with 15).

 

I mean he's more talented than this and people who say he's doing great at MLB are selling his talent short, IMO.

[GunnerBill]

1 minute ago, Hapless Bills Fan said:

 

One of the articles about him said he'd never played Will before this season

 

I think McDermott said over the summer he'd played all 3 spots in Carolina.

[ColoradoBills]

11 minutes ago, Chemical said:

 

The only player I would have cut is Star and I still wish we would have. You love giving credit to the professionals. You know no one on here thinks they're going to affect a change or become a GM, but we are well within our right to discuss how a roster move/signing/draft pick turned out.

 

That doesn't stop a vocal minority from thinking they are smarter about all thing Buffalo Bills related from ownership to the ball boy.

[JGMcD2]

There are many issues when it comes to player evaluation on a message board. 
 

The first being nobody knows the assignments unless they break down the film. I can count on one hand how many people are sitting down and watching film in it’s entirety from all 16 games. 
 

They next is nobody really puts anything in context with the rest of the league. Most people go “I watch every Bills game, every week, all the way through! I know whether a player is good or not.” Which is great, I actually believe that’s important and you just pick up on a lot from seeing the team so much... but are those same people able to watch every other game, every week all the way through in order to pick up on the deficiencies of other teams and recognize their trends? I don’t think so... most folks see 3-4 games of a team and think they know a player and want them over who we have without knowing if they can actually do what we need them to do. It’s dangerous territory. 
 

 

Edited December 5, 2020 by JGMcD2

[BADOLBILZ]

27 minutes ago, Hapless Bills Fan said:

 

Didn't he mostly play Sam in Carolina?  I know he played MLB when Kuechly was injured, but he played more than that...

 

Luke Keuchly, now after the 2015 and 2016 seasons, there's a guy we'd kick out of bed around here for eating "Injured Too Much" crackers.

 

 

11 minutes ago, GunnerBill said:

 

Yea mainly Sam, some Mike, even a bit of Will. 

 

 

He moved around but 9 of his last 13 starts in Carolina were at MLB in place of Kuechly........he was Kuechly's backup the last two seasons.........his production there got him the contract in New Orleans.   

[27yanks]

Fans need to remember these comments are made to the media, you know, the ones always looking for an angle and something to put down on paper(oops, wait, we are of the digital age now). It's a chess game, teammates will beef up their brothers in arms. As i mentioned in another thread, I don't get to see any Bills games and have to rely on what Iread or highlites. So I can't make a knowledgable assessment of the teams play.

 

I agree with Edmunds needing to be more physical, hey I'm old school. Jack Tatum, Willie Lanier, Butkus. That kind of physicality is long gone(unfortunately). Edmunds has to command the defense with guile and intell from video. Keep these boys in the trenches together for the rest of season and you'll see a continuity that results in whoop$$%%^!! Oh and never show your hand to the enemy. Every team on the schedule is the enemy. 

[Hapless Bills Fan]

20 minutes ago, JGMcD2 said:

There are many issues when it comes to player evaluation on a message board. 
 

The first being nobody knows the assignments unless they break down the film. I can count on one hand how many people are sitting down and watching film in it’s entirety from all 16 games. 

 

There may be a few more than you know, not all of whom post very much or not any more.  You might need to use both hands and take at least one shoe off.

 

It's a point that sometimes people think they know something from broadcast film and they're mistaken.  We saw kind of an extreme example of that with the convo about the Allen to Diggs INT where some thought there was an unblocked blitzer uncovering Beasley and Allen should have read it and immediately thrown to Bease; film shows the safety moved to pick Beas up and at the snap, Harris had 2 guys positioned to block him - he just treated Williams like a Linda Ronstadt song (why yes, i do know I'm not nearly as funny as I think I am, why do you ask?)

 

It's also a point that even people who are breaking down film don't necessarily know the assignments so we blame the wrong guy for a breakdown.

 

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They next is nobody really puts anything in context with the rest of the league. Most people go “I watch every Bills game, every week, all the way through! I know whether a player is good or not.” Which is great, I actually believe that’s important and you just pick up on a lot from seeing the team so much... but are those same people able to watch every other game, every week all the way through in order to pick up on the deficiencies of other teams and recognize their trends? I don’t think so... most folks see 3-4 games of a team and think they know a player and want them over who we have without knowing if they can actually do what we need them to do. It’s dangerous territory.

 

You mean like the chappy who was informing us there were 20 safeties in the league better than Poyer, but when asked, couldn't name 'em? 😁

 

Buddy Nix had some things right and one of them was his saying "if you listen to the fans, you'll find yourself sitting with them".  We're not helped around here by the knowledge that there was about a decade where the draft choices of 3 or 4 of our more knowledgeable folks would LITERALLY have been better than the players the Bills drafted - but that reflects more poorly on the quality of the Bills FO at the time than anything else 😥

[BADOLBILZ]

29 minutes ago, GunnerBill said:

 

He was and the fact he is healthy certainly seems to have improved his play and he is back to his 2019 level. The confusing thing for me is the parts of the game he was struggling with were not necessarily the parts you would immediately put down to the injury he had. More than shedding blocks he struggled with reads and drops against play action. Maybe he was just so physically comfortable that it affected everything. It can happen. Regardless, it is just good to see him back to his best. Our D is much better when he is on form.

 

Edit: and just to add given the subject of the thread I have never wanted to move him from the mike. Some people have really old fashioned views of what a Mike should be.

 

 

He's been a step slow reacting all season.........surprisingly more so in pass defense.

 

His passer rating allowed is a ghastly 132+ and he's allowed 4 passing TD's.......including a play last week where he was all over the receiver but just seemed like he had no idea the ball was coming.    

 

The mental aspect of his game hasn't been where you'd expect and thus his reactions have been late and disappointing at times and it's costing him big plays that this defense should be putting him in position to make.

[JGMcD2]

2 minutes ago, Hapless Bills Fan said:

 

There may be a few more than you know, not all of whom post very much.

 

It's a point that sometimes people think they know something from broadcast film and they're mistaken.  We saw kind of an extreme example of that with the convo about the Allen to Diggs INT where some thought there was an unblocked blitzer uncovering Beasley and Allen should have read it and immediately thrown to Bease, while the truth is the safety moved to pick Beas up and at the snap, Harris had 2 guys positioned to block him - he just treated Williams like a Linda Ronstadt song (why yes, i do know I'm not nearly as funny as I think I am, why do you ask?)

 

It's also a point that even people who are breaking down film don't necessarily know the assignments so we blame the wrong guy for a breakdown.

 

 

You mean like the chappy who was informing us there were 20 safeties in the league better than Poyer, but when asked, couldn't name 'em? 😁

 

Buddy Nix had some things right and one of them was his saying "if you listen to the fans, you'll find yourself sitting with them".  We're not helped around here by the knowledge that there was about a decade where the draft choices of 3 or 4 of our more knowledgeable folks would LITERALLY have been better than the players the Bills drafted - but that reflects more poorly on the quality of the Bills FO at the time than anything else 😥

Yeah, you’re right. I should clarify I meant a handful of guys I actually know sit down and watch like that on here. 
 

Also a great point, even watching the film you don’t necessarily know. It’s hard to tell unless you know the call and the assignments (I.e. you’re on the coaching staff and have 20+ years coaching defense and were the mastermind behind the 15-1 Panthers defense) 

 

I was just about to bring Chappy up... he was so matter of fact with that statement and still hasn’t replied... everyone gets notifications when they’re quoted... weird. 
 

Haha I agree with you... I try not to take it too extreme with that. I think there are a few knowledgeable fans that could work in front offices and be more successful than the folks there. At least in baseball, I know that for a fact,  believe me I’ve come across some less than inspiring folks in my time! But more often than not, you’re right, fans don’t know all of the circumstances unfortunately and can’t be relied on for great decisions individually... but FanGraphs the baseball website “crowdsources” fans every year to find out what contracts they think FA will get... the large sample of fans are usually pretty close to the true value/value given out. 
 

Interesting enough the new Mets owner has been asking fans on Twitter who they want the team to sign. I think it’s an interesting tactic... 

[Hapless Bills Fan]

1 minute ago, BADOLBILZ said:

He's been a step slow reacting all season.........surprisingly more so in pass defense.

 

His passer rating allowed is a ghastly 132+ and he's allowed 4 passing TD's.......including a play last week where he was all over the receiver but just seemed like he had no idea the ball was coming.    

 

The mental aspect of his game hasn't been where you'd expect and thus his reactions have been late and disappointing at times and it's costing him big plays that this defense should be putting him in position to make.

 

I'd wondered if they were giving him pain meds that were affecting his thought process and reactions.  Toradol usually doesn't, but if you need your pain suppressed enough to slam your injured shoulder into people 20x a game maybe they give you a cocktail.   At the NFL level, I'm sure the line is very slim.

[Rock-A-Bye Beasley]

27 minutes ago, ColoradoBills said:

 

That doesn't stop a vocal minority from thinking they are smarter about all thing Buffalo Bills related from ownership to the ball boy.

 

ok cool, I'm fine with that as long as they have logical reasoning with receipts and/or proof of their ball handling skills .

[BADOLBILZ]

27 minutes ago, Hapless Bills Fan said:

 

I'd wondered if they were giving him pain meds that were affecting his thought process and reactions.  Toradol usually doesn't, but if you need your pain suppressed enough to slam your injured shoulder into people 20x a game maybe they give you a cocktail.   At the NFL level, I'm sure the line is very slim.

 

 

That could be the case.   I don't think we really know that his shoulder is "healed" really do we?   If it was a rotator cuff issue that's not healing in the season that's a surgery.   Maybe they just started mixing in some aderall with his toradol the past few weeks.

[ColoradoBills]

1 hour ago, Chemical said:

 

ok cool, I'm fine with that as long as they have logical reasoning with receipts and/or proof of their ball handling skills .

 

For years now I have been lobbying for OBD to pick up "Radio" to fill a critical role.

Nothing has been done!  I blame the Pegula's.

[Luka]

4 hours ago, Over 29 years of fanhood said:

This op Ought to bring all the negative nancies out of the wood work explain how Klein must not understand McDermotts defense and that Edmunds should br some olb role that doesn’t exist or a dime Will or safety or some other non sense 

 

Lorenzo Alexender, Edmunds' mentor, would like a word with you...

[3rdand12]

6 hours ago, Marvlevydraftdaygenius said:

Maybe the bye gave him a chance to heal his shoulder.

Something changed his game day performance more recently.
Both Klein and Tremaine are playing faster and efficiently. Do not care why.
Go Bills

[3rdand12]

4 hours ago, Shaw66 said:

I agree with this.  Certainly no Keuchly, but McD is no dummy.  I'm sure he knows Edmunds is not the same guy as Keuchly.   And he knows Edmunds is the classic, old-school Mike.   What I think is going on with McDermott is that he sees that Edmunds is a special physical player (not unlike Allen in the sense that Josh, too, is a special physical player), and McDermott's sense is that he can a build a defense in which Edmunds can have the kind of impact, although in different ways, that Keuchly has had.  That is, in the same way McD looked at Keuchly and thought "I can win with that guy,"  McD looked at Edmunds and told Beane "I want that guy."   Edmunds is still learning and growing, physcially, and McDermott is still figuring out exactly how to play Edmunds.   

 

If McD was correct, Edmunds' best days are still ahead of him.  I expect the Bills will extend him after they extend Allen.   

thIs feels like thoughtful perspective on the McD/ Edmunds relationship.
Both are still learning their craft

[3rdand12]

2 hours ago, BADOLBILZ said:

 

 

The past few games are probably the only 3 game stretch of Edmunds career where he has played consistently well inside.     He typically has a game here or there where he is excellent and gets people's hopes up but then disappears for a month.  

 

With his physical gifts he should be a DPOY candidate in this defense.  

 

 But instead we are told to be overwhelmed by the ordinary.

 

He's capable of creating turnovers and wreaking havoc, IMO.

 

Yet he has 1 interception and 0 forced fumbles in his last 30 games........3 TFL's on the season(compared to fellow 2018 draftee Roquan Smith with 15).

 

I mean he's more talented than this and people who say he's doing great at MLB are selling his talent short, IMO.

They are plenty of defenders to defend either position about T Edmunds

 But i am not sure wreaking havoc will ever be his thing. Sure tackling would be enough for me  lol
 

 he has not developed as quickly as Fans wish. I think we can agree upon that.
The question is will he.
 How he finishes the season and if he can maintain the last two weeks type of play (very good) ? I will feel pretty good about him.
 

Klein and Edmunds suddenly look connected and playing well

coaching 

[BADOLBILZ]

41 minutes ago, 3rdand12 said:

They are plenty of defenders to defend either position about T Edmunds

 But i am not sure wreaking havoc will ever be his thing. Sure tackling would be enough for me  lol
 

 he has not developed as quickly as Fans wish. I think we can agree upon that.
The question is will he.
 How he finishes the season and if he can maintain the last two weeks type of play (very good) ? I will feel pretty good about him.
 

Klein and Edmunds suddenly look connected and playing well

coaching 

 

 

Preston Brown was a sure tackler............that's a pretty low bar.😄

 

[Weatherman]

7 hours ago, Green Lightning said:

His speed and size are amazing. But I wouldn't call him physical and he can't get off blocks consistently.  Let's see how he does these next few weeks. He's much better against passing teams. 

Let’s keep in mind this kid just started drinking legally last year.  I would assume that they are willing to slightly sacrifice during the present for massive gains in the future.  Trust the process! 

[BADOLBILZ]

6 hours ago, Over 29 years of fanhood said:

This op Ought to bring all the negative nancies out of the wood work explain how Klein must not understand McDermotts defense and that Edmunds should br some olb role that doesn’t exist or a dime Will or safety or some other non sense 

 

 

Lorenzo Alexander 2018 playing "some olb role that doesn't exist" 😆

 

2 interceptions

9 passes defensed

2 forced fumbles

1 fumble recovery

6.5 sacks

74 tackles

11 TFL

10 QB hits

 

Now imagine putting a player there who can actually physically match up in coverage.

 

[Patrick Duffy]

13 hours ago, Thurman#1 said:

I searched for this before posting, and was surprised not to find it her on the boards yet. Mods, if I missed something, please feel free to fold it into another thread.

 

https://www.newyorkupstate.com/buffalo-bills/2020/12/bills-matt-milano-almost-back-impact-on-aj-kleins-role-tremaine-edmunds-a-true-mlb.html

 

"Last week against the Los Angeles Chargers, Klein was the star, finishing with a game-high 14 tackles and 1.5 sacks. But Edmunds was arguably just as good. Pro Football Focus gave Klein a 91.0 grade in run defense and Edmunds just barely lower at a 90.7. In Edmunds last three games he’s received overall grades of 62.3, 63.6, and 74.2. The highest single-game grade he registered in his first 7 games was a 55.5.

 

"Klein played with 5x first team All Pro middle linebacker Luke Kuechly in Carolina and watched him play the position as well as anybody has done it this century. He said Edmunds is a smart player whose preparation and leadership make him stand out. He said Edmunds is a true “Mike” linebacker.

 

“ 'When you watch him on film not many guys that are his size can move and cover like he does,' Klein said. 'To be able to be that downhill, physical guy that he is, not only his skill set physically but his skillset mentally. How he approaches the game and how he understands the game, how he studies - he is a true ‘Mike’ linebacker and that’s where he belongs. You can see him, he’s sideline to sideline making plays all across the field. ... He really is something special to watch. It’s fun to be able to play with him.' ”

 

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This should end the discussion. But it won't. There are plenty of people who think they're way smarter and know more about the Bills defense than guys who play on it or coach for it. We'll doubtless hear from them.

 

But let's hear none of the "Well, he had to say that," nonsense, because it's just not true. All he had to say was - and this is true of every player or coach - is the Crash Davis cliches. Yeah, you can't say bad things of a teammate. But it's totally fine to restrict yourself to the usual, "He gives 110% eight days a week and 25 hours a day," or "I want him beside me in an alley fight," or "He's a good good player. Works hard and it shows," or "I want him in my foxhole with me," or "I love going to war with that guy" or "True Buffalo Bills spirit. A tough guy who always brings it," the usual copy-and-paste sayings. Those are what you have to say. When you get very specific about things, you're going far beyond what you have to say and you're saying what you believe. Klein wasn't asked about whether Tremaine is a Mike. He simply said what he sees and knows.

 

Definitely happy that his play has improved a good amount the last few games. Seems the injury effected him a lot more than some may have believed. It's very noticeable how he has played the last few games post injury compared to earlier.

 

I have read some posters that have said they think he should be moved to outside, however I don't necessarily agree with that. He has been in this same role on the same Defense the whole time and I'd like to think he knows what he's doing in his position especially by now. Also think he will still get better, especially if the Dline improves. That will obviously help him also.

 

 

[KCNC]

7 hours ago, Virgil said:

All of those things may be true,  but he’s not a playmaker nor game changer.  All of those comments would be fine if he weren’t a first round pick, that has certain expectations with it.  

Last "big" play I can remember him making is the safety on Baker Mayfield last year.  Never catches balls that hit his hands.  Love the effort but he just does not seem to make game changing plays.

[Ya Digg?]

3 hours ago, 27yanks said:

Fans need to remember these comments are made to the media, you know, the ones always looking for an angle and something to put down on paper(oops, wait, we are of the digital age now). It's a chess game, teammates will beef up their brothers in arms. As i mentioned in another thread, I don't get to see any Bills games and have to rely on what Iread or highlites. So I can't make a knowledgable assessment of the teams play.

 

I agree with Edmunds needing to be more physical, hey I'm old school. Jack Tatum, Willie Lanier, Butkus. That kind of physicality is long gone(unfortunately). Edmunds has to command the defense with guile and intell from video. Keep these boys in the trenches together for the rest of season and you'll see a continuity that results in whoop$$%%^!! Oh and never show your hand to the enemy. Every team on the schedule is the enemy. 

As good as those players were, their style wouldn’t get them in the field the way the game is played today. They had to be physical because they weren’t athletic enough to keep up with the running backs back then. I have watched enough film of these guys to think they didn’t play the game the right way-the amount of cheap shots, late hits, etc that they would give so guys wouldn’t go o we the middle to me is embarrassing. But to each their own, I would want my linebackers to be able to go from sideline to sideline as well as being able to cover someone in the passing game. Those guys couldn’t do that

[Patrick Duffy]

15 minutes ago, KCNC said:

Last "big" play I can remember him making is the safety on Baker Mayfield last year.  Never catches balls that hit his hands.  Love the effort but he just does not seem to make game changing plays.

Yes that is very frustrating. Think he has had, I want to say 2 times that a ball has hit him directly in his hands and he dropped the INT. He can be frustrating sometimes, but IMO there is just no denying that his play has improved since the injury.

 

It may not be the improvement that we all want for a 1st round pick, but nevertheless his play has gotten better. The whole Defense has gotten better thankfully. They were down right awful for a bit there.

Edited December 5, 2020 by Patrick_Duffy

[BuffaloRebound]

Let’s see how he plays Monday night.  49ers have an extremely physical running game.  Will be a good test for him.  

[Over 29 years of fanhood]

1 hour ago, BADOLBILZ said:

 

 

Lorenzo Alexander 2018 playing "some olb role that doesn't exist" 😆

 

2 interceptions

9 passes defensed

2 forced fumbles

1 fumble recovery

6.5 sacks

74 tackles

11 TFL

10 QB hits

 

Now imagine putting a player there who can actually physically match up in coverage.

 

And! RIGHT ON QUEUE!!!! 

Lorax last listed at outside linebacker position in 2016 😂 😂 played a fraction of snaps at LLB or RLB when the team was not in nickel or rotated in at DE under McDermott who is the coach of the bills now and brought his coverage palms scheme to buffalo in 2017

 

you never let me down.  Why not tight end or punter?? 😂 

 

imagine putting a player in coverage at that left inside under zone spot instead of the right one.  JUST IMAGINE?!?!! 😆 

 

Now I’d love to hear about how the strong safety free safety differ in this defense. I’ll hang up and listen. 

 

psst hint: they don’t 

 

Edited December 5, 2020 by Over 29 years of fanhood

[Food_Pyramid_Wrong]

Watch 49ers Fred Warner Monday Night. That's a true MLB.

[BADOLBILZ]

1 hour ago, Over 29 years of fanhood said:

Lorax last listed at outside linebacker position in 2016 😂 😂 played a fraction of snaps at LLB or RLB when the team was not in nickel or rotated in at DE under McDermott who is the coach of the bills now and brought his coverage palms scheme to buffalo in 2017.

 

 

Nice try with the hysterics, Over....

 

But...

 

1) Lorax was a LB who rushed the passer a lot........which is exactly the point of wanting Edmunds playing on the edge..

 

2) The Bills do not use a "base" DE on the strong side.   That player basically profiles as an "edge" player like most 3-4 defenses use.

 

Trent Murphy was an OLB at Washington and is just a lean pass rusher.   Lorax filled that role frequently.    6'2" 250# Jerry Hughes has been getting a lot of snaps there with Lorax gone and Murphy sometimes inactive.  The assumption was that AJ Epenesa might be that "base" DE.........but he instead appears to be being groomed as the RDE of the future.  

 

I don't know for a fact that Edmunds will be a bigger TJ Watt on the edge in Buffalo and put up 14-16 sacks and cause a bunch of turnovers............but what I do know is that guys like Watt......or even Lorax at that spot.........can make a TON of plays and are worth a fortune on the open market.    

 

And that's the Bills biggest weakness on defense...........an individual play maker that they likely aren't going to be able to afford in UFA the next couple offseason.

 

Replacing Edmunds in the middle........I don't think that's nearly as difficult..........Preston Brown literally lead the NFL in tackles in this defense in 2017......and in the games that Edmunds has missed entirely or left with injury he has been replaced with little or no drop-off by the likes of journeyman Julian Stanford and first year player Tyrel Dodson.

 

The optics on how much of a difference Edmunds provides in the middle are not that great......it's decision time on his big $ option for 2022 after this season.......and the Bills desperately need a playmaker on the edge to help finish these games.

 

[Over 29 years of fanhood]

1 hour ago, BADOLBILZ said:

 

Nice try with the hysterics, Over....

 

But...

 

1) Lorax was a LB who rushed the passer a lot........which is exactly the point of wanting Edmunds playing on the edge..

 

2) The Bills do not use a "base" DE on the strong side.   That player basically profiles as an "edge" player like most 3-4 defenses use.

 

Trent Murphy was an OLB at Washington and is just a lean pass rusher.   Lorax filled that role frequently.    6'2" 250# Jerry Hughes has been getting a lot of snaps there with Lorax gone and Murphy sometimes inactive.  The assumption was that AJ Epenesa might be that "base" DE.........but he instead appears to be being groomed as the RDE of the future.  

 

I don't know for a fact that Edmunds will be a bigger TJ Watt on the edge in Buffalo and put up 14-16 sacks and cause a bunch of turnovers............but what I do know is that guys like Watt......or even Lorax at that spot.........can make a TON of plays and are worth a fortune on the open market.    

 

And that's the Bills biggest weakness on defense...........an individual play maker that they likely aren't going to be able to afford in UFA the next couple offseason.

 

Replacing Edmunds in the middle........I don't think that's nearly as difficult..........Preston Brown literally lead the NFL in tackles in this defense in 2017......and in the games that Edmunds has missed entirely or left with injury he has been replaced with little or no drop-off by the likes of journeyman Julian Stanford and first year player Tyrel Dodson.

 

The optics on how much of a difference Edmunds provides in the middle are not that great......it's decision time on his big $ option for 2022 after this season.......and the Bills desperately need a playmaker on the edge to help finish these games.

 

Preston Brown... a run stuffer in a completely different defense and they couldn’t wait to unload him because of the poor fit and his horrendous coverage abilities. Beautiful reference to exemplify the point of misunderstanding this defense.

 

edmunds like tj watt..  hmm... comparing a 3-4 olb Elite pass rusher to a prototypical McDermott D mlb.. just don’t understand what if any point is to make here. 
 

 these are some optics all right 

 

also point 1 and 2 are both imo incorrect.
 

The front four almost religiously are traditional 4 down lineman with a few disguise exceptions.  
 

I have seen the pattern of trying to drum up arguments as a contrarian before but is it pathological? 

 

Tremaine Edmunds is a solid starting MLB in the NFL (a pro bowler in fact) and an extremely good Fit in Sean McDermotts defense. Reality has spoken, even if you believe since he is roughly the same weight and height as Calvin Johnson he should play wide receiver... doesn’t mean that’s what he’s good at. 

Edited December 6, 2020 by Over 29 years of fanhood

[Rochesterfan]

9 hours ago, GunnerBill said:

 

He was and the fact he is healthy certainly seems to have improved his play and he is back to his 2019 level. The confusing thing for me is the parts of the game he was struggling with were not necessarily the parts you would immediately put down to the injury he had. More than shedding blocks he struggled with reads and drops against play action. Maybe he was just so physically comfortable that it affected everything. It can happen. Regardless, it is just good to see him back to his best. Our D is much better when he is on form.

 

Edit: and just to add given the subject of the thread I have never wanted to move him from the mike. Some people have really old fashioned views of what a Mike should be.

 

I agree and will add not only was he hurt, but Milano was hurt also - so the defense was playing with Edmunds and then filling in with Klein, and Dodson with Milano sprinkled in.  Then they even played some 4-1-6 with Marlow and Johnson being the extra LBs.

 

I think he had a lot on his mind above and beyond the injury.  He was trying to get guys that were out of position or new to the team into position and sometimes that gets you overthinking or even worse trying to do 2 or 3/11ths and therefore not in your position.

 

What I have noticed is as Frazier has gotten more comfortable with the abilities of the players - the calls have been more consistent and therefore the players on D have been more comfortable and back into their disguising mode - where they are on top.  Therefore both Klein and Edmunds have looked better and are fitting better; White has played better on the outside; and overall they all look more like they have the last 2 years.

[Luka]

As soon as someone says "Edmunds was a Pro Bowler" I know their opinion is worthless. Winning a popularity contest among fans means absolutely ZERO.

 

29 years and you can't understand how people want to see arguably the best athlete on the defensive side of the ball moved around in this defense and put in positions to make big plays instead of standing in the middle of the field waiting to see if a running back leaks out of the backfield.

 

I think the rampant alcoholism amongst Bills fans really prevents some of them from understanding what they are watching.

 

13 hours ago, Over 29 years of fanhood said:

Preston Brown... a run stuffer in a completely different defense and they couldn’t wait to unload him because of the poor fit and his horrendous coverage abilities. Beautiful reference to exemplify the point of misunderstanding this defense.

 

edmunds like tj watt..  hmm... comparing a 3-4 olb Elite pass rusher to a prototypical McDermott D mlb.. just don’t understand what if any point is to make here. 
 

 these are some optics all right 

 

also point 1 and 2 are both imo incorrect.
 

The front four almost religiously are traditional 4 down lineman with a few disguise exceptions.  
 

I have seen the pattern of trying to drum up arguments as a contrarian before but is it pathological? 

 

Tremaine Edmunds is a solid starting MLB in the NFL (a pro bowler in fact) and an extremely good Fit in Sean McDermotts defense. Reality has spoken, even if you believe since he is roughly the same weight and height as Calvin Johnson he should play wide receiver... doesn’t mean that’s what he’s good at. 

 

[Over 29 years of fanhood]

1 hour ago, Luka said:

 

 

I think the rampant alcoholism amongst Bills fans really prevents some of them from understanding what they are watching.

 

 

Almost as bad as the alcoholism problem in Russia “Лука“.
 

At least it is nice to appreciate that none of the visionaries that ‘know how to better use the bills personnel than they do’ have their influence beyond  a few posters that never watch games, their own aliases they invent to agree with themselves and their pets. 

[C.Biscuit97]

Haha. What should be say? That Edmunds doesn’t read things as fast as way less talentedMKB and could be an absolute monster at OLB.

 

fir the record, I’m fine with Tre at MLB and think he is growing. But do I think he would be a better OLB and destroy offenses there? Absolutely. 

19 hours ago, SaratogaMike said:

Watch 49ers Fred Warner Monday Night. That's a true MLB.

And it’s not even a knock on Tre. One of the least athletic guys I played with was a great MLB.  I always think we you have a great athlete like Tre and focus him to overthink, it takes away from his game.  Dude would destroy at OLB.

[Over 29 years of fanhood]

16 minutes ago, C.Biscuit97 said:

Haha. What should be say? That Edmunds doesn’t read things as fast as way less talentedMKB and could be an absolute monster at OLB.

 

fir the record, I’m fine with Tre at MLB and think he is growing. But do I think he would be a better OLB and destroy offenses there? Absolutely. 

And it’s not even a knock on Tre. One of the least athletic guys I played with was a great MLB.  I always think we you have a great athlete like Tre and focus him to overthink, it takes away from his game.  Dude would destroy at OLB.

Josh Allen might be an excellent tight end... I don’t understand the fixation on projecting guys starting at their position as ideal fits in their team to other either less impactful spots or their ‘ideal’ positions from a fan perspective insinuating the coaches are clueless. 

Edited December 6, 2020 by Over 29 years of fanhood

[Watkins90]

On 12/5/2020 at 8:09 AM, Virgil said:

All of those things may be true,  but he’s not a playmaker nor game changer.  All of those comments would be fine if he weren’t a first round pick, that has certain expectations with it.  

At this point you throw away draft status and just go with the status of his position. Him being drafted first means nothing at this point. Is he playing the position well.

[vincec]

On 12/5/2020 at 11:10 AM, Back the Blue said:

In terms of his run defense,  either you have the instincts or you don’t.  He clearly doesn’t, and another year or two or three, isn’t going to change that.  
 

Most of the time, he looks like a man without a position...too big to be a safety, poor instincts to be a MLB, and not physical enough to be a pass rushing OLB. 

 

 

Buyer beware...come contract time. 

I think he would look a lot better vs the run if he had better 1T DTs in front of him. If that improves next season then I think you'll see Edmunds play vs the run mysteriously improve too.

[machine gun kelly]

On 12/5/2020 at 9:48 AM, matter2003 said:

 

Something we forget...run stuffing middle LBs are probably gone forever...Edmunds' physical skill set is likely what virtually all teams are looking for

Matter, you have a knack for saying what matters (sorry couldn’t resist). The days of Ray Lewis MLB’s is over.  The league has moved much more to fast, mid size, LB’s who can cover TE’s, proficient against the run, and are very versatile.  The kid is 23, has honest praise by Kyle, now AJ, and is actually almost oversized for the position at 256lbs. By last count.  He played with a messed up wing for the first 6-7 games and never complained.  Klein, Edmunds, and Milano if healthy tomorrow are exactly where they are supposed to be.

[LabattBlue]

1 hour ago, machine gun kelly said:

...and is actually almost oversized for the position at 256lbs.

Considering his height, how much do you expect him to weigh...220 lbs?

[billsfan89]

I think Edumonds needs good play in front of him to be effective. But when he has that good play he is a beast because he is very good in coverage over the middle and out on the flats. He is able to sniff plays out and make the right read when he has some room and good play in front of him. I think Edumonds will be a long term piece to this defense but McD needs to have a good one tech in front of him at all times.