Denver forced to play with no QB

[Doc]

2 hours ago, Bubba Gump said:

What woulda happened if Denver was on the playoff bubble? Denver woulda been pretty pissed having to play with no QB while other teams games get changed.

 

Since it involved 3 QBs who ignored the rules, they would have done the same thing.  Moving the game a couple days like they did with the Ravens game wouldn't have changed the outcome, which was a loss.

[y2zipper]

We're going to see the same thing Tuesday with the Ravens who are on the bubble.

[YoloinOhio]

Never forget that Joe Webb played QB for us in the snow game when Tuhrod was hurt and peterman got knocked out with a concussion. How the hell we made the playoffs that year is a miracle. 

[Big Turk]

3 hours ago, Bubba Gump said:

What woulda happened if Denver was on the playoff bubble? Denver woulda been pretty pissed having to play with no QB while other teams games get changed.

 

Different situation. The other teams had an active COVID outbreak on their team which meant that playing in a game could have given it to the other team's players.  This was isolated to a practice squad QB and the other QB's screwed themselves over by not wearing a mask and/or tracking devices for periods of time and then tried not to cooperate with the investigation by the NFL about it. The other players were put on the COVID list NOT because they were positive but because they were in lose contact with someone who has it and were not properly protected.  Therefore, out of an abundance of caution they had to be placed on the COVID list.

 

They have nobody to be pissed off or mad at except themselves for being morons.

Edited November 30, 2020 by matter2003

[Punching Bag]

1 hour ago, Doc said:

 

Since it involved 3 QBs who ignored the rules, they would have done the same thing.  Moving the game a couple days like they did with the Ravens game wouldn't have changed the outcome, which was a loss.

 

4 QBs. Even practice QB.

35 minutes ago, matter2003 said:

 

The other players were put on the COVID list NOT because they were positive but because they were in lose contact with someone who has it and were not properly protected. 

 

 

lose contact. Funny typo.

[Bubba Gump]

36 minutes ago, matter2003 said:

 

Different situation. The other teams had an active COVID outbreak on their team which meant that playing in a game could have given it to the other team's players.  This was isolated to a practice squad QB and the other QB's screwed themselves over by not wearing a mask and/or tracking devices for periods of time and then tried not to cooperate with the investigation by the NFL about it. The other players were put on the COVID list NOT because they were positive but because they were in lose contact with someone who has it and were not properly protected.  Therefore, out of an abundance of caution they had to be placed on the COVID list.

 

They have nobody to be pissed off or mad at except themselves for being morons.

 

I don't get the whole thing. A Ravens staff member admittedly broke NFL Covid protocols so they were negligent as well. So if a staff member breaks the rule it's ok and the team gets to have their game moved? This whole thing is a mess.

[Big Turk]

20 minutes ago, Bubba Gump said:

 

I don't get the whole thing. A Ravens staff member admittedly broke NFL Covid protocols so they were negligent as well. So if a staff member breaks the rule it's ok and the team gets to have their game moved? This whole thing is a mess.

 

No...games are moved when it is MEDICALLY NECESSARY, as in when playing would potentially transmit the disease from one player to another player due to there being an active COVID outbreak on a team.  If there is no outbreak and it is NOT medically necessary, the games are played. I am not sure how else to word this so you can comprehend it better.  It doesn't seem to be that difficult to understand.

 

If there is a chance to  spread the virus by playing, move the game. If there is not, then play the game.  It has nothing to do with who started it, or how it started or anything else.

1 hour ago, YoloinOhio said:

Never forget that Joe Webb played QB for us in the snow game when Tuhrod was hurt and peterman got knocked out with a concussion. How the hell we made the playoffs that year is a miracle. 

 

And completed a bomb to Deonte Thompson in OT to set up McCoy's waltz into the endzone through the snow for the W...and it was Peterman who started that game not T squared.

Edited November 30, 2020 by matter2003

[jlgarsh]

They should have moved the game to Monday, as a safety issue for Hinton. Luckily he didn’t get killed back there, since he wasn’t even able to practice at QB. I give him a lot of credit for the effort. I hope they let him get some reps at WR in the next couple weeks as a thank you.

[Warcodered]

 

[Bubba Gump]

2 hours ago, jlgarsh said:

They should have moved the game to Monday, as a safety issue for Hinton. Luckily he didn’t get killed back there, since he wasn’t even able to practice at QB. I give him a lot of credit for the effort. I hope they let him get some reps at WR in the next couple weeks as a thank you.

 

Lindsay did get hurt because he was taking so many wildcat snaps. NFL screwed Denver, plain and simple. 

4 hours ago, matter2003 said:

 

No...games are moved when it is MEDICALLY NECESSARY, as in when playing would potentially transmit the disease from one player to another player due to there being an active COVID outbreak on a team.  If there is no outbreak and it is NOT medically necessary, the games are played. I am not sure how else to word this so you can comprehend it better.  It doesn't seem to be that difficult to understand.

 

If there is a chance to  spread the virus by playing, move the game. If there is not, then play the game.  It has nothing to do with who started it, or how it started or anything else.

 

And completed a bomb to Deonte Thompson in OT to set up McCoy's waltz into the endzone through the snow for the W...and it was Peterman who started that game not T squared.

 

This is ridiculous. Any one player could spread the disease. If he tests negative on Saturday, but it positive Sunday, then what? The league is playing with fire right now. 

[Rochesterfan]

6 hours ago, Bubba Gump said:

 

I don't get the whole thing. A Ravens staff member admittedly broke NFL Covid protocols so they were negligent as well. So if a staff member breaks the rule it's ok and the team gets to have their game moved? This whole thing is a mess.

 

The Ravens game was moved only because on Thursday the still had active infections popping up because of the broken protocols.  
 

They moved it to Sunday, but the positive infections had not stopped yet - so they had to move it again.  Now that the infections have stopped - the game will be played and the Ravens will be missing 8-15 players from their roster and may not be able to suit up enough guys to fill the entire active day roster.

 

The Broncos (as has been talked about several times) had a single player test positive from an external source.  Just like the Bills did with Knox earlier and Norman 2 weeks ago).  On initial review of the monitoring data - no one was deemed a close contact and practice continued.  The NFL then began a review of facility cameras and discovered that the QBs all got together inside (against protocol) for a meeting and lunch (without masks) that was not recorded on the devices (against protocol again).  On reviewing the length of time, the fact that masks were not worn, that they meet inside - the league deemed them close contacts and put them on the Covid list.  
 

It is no different than when Knox took out our TE group or Norman took out multiple DBs.  The NFL has stated several times - a competitive disadvantage will not cause the game to move - only a medical reason (ie and active infection).  
 

My guess is if the Bronco game had been scheduled for Thursday night - with the active infected player caught that day - the game may have been moved to Sunday to ensure there was no other positives.  Since the game was already scheduled for Sunday and they had no positives Friday or Saturday- they felt safe playing the game from a medical perspective. 
 

The fault lies with the Broncos totally on this and after the review - I expect the Broncos will also be fined and as this is their 2nd broken protocol - would not be surprised to see a mid round pick go bye bye.

[Rochesterfan]

1 hour ago, Bubba Gump said:

 

Lindsay did get hurt because he was taking so many wildcat snaps. NFL screwed Denver, plain and simple. 

 

This is ridiculous. Any one player could spread the disease. If he tests negative on Saturday, but it positive Sunday, then what? The league is playing with fire right now. 

 

If he test positive on Sunday - he is pulled out - the league then has to decide on contacts and who to pull.  If the team travelled to the stadium (or in the case of NE earlier the positive was on a Saturday).  The league will look and potentially move a game back a few days so the team does not get on a plane together or they can identify any additional positives.

 

when that team is home a positive on Saturday or Sunday has meant that player and his contacts go on the Covid list and the game is played as scheduled.

 

The NFL did not screw Denver - they followed the exact same scenario planning and guidance they used every time this situation has come up.  The difference is instead of a TE or DB grouping it was QBs.  I feel for Denver as it sucked, but they - not the NFL - decided to get together and eat lunch and meet without masks.  If they had followed protocols (which is why they are in place) the players would not have been considered close contacts and would have played.

 

Don’t blame the NFL for Denver’s issues.  This was on them.
 

 

[Beast]

I watched a series of this game and it was all I could stomach.

[wjag]

This game was a National Football League embarrassment.  It was a sham.  Neither team played a QB.  At one point the passing stats were NO -8, DEN 0.  Thank goodness LA, SF gave a good game to watch.  A very good reminder to everyone how tough it is to play QB.

[Ridgewaycynic2013]

6 minutes ago, wjag said:

This game was a National Football League embarrassment.  It was a sham.  Neither team played a QB.  At one point the passing stats were NO -8, DEN 0.  Thank goodness LA, SF gave a good game to watch.  A very good reminder to everyone how tough it is to play QB.

Nonsense!  90% of us were clamouring we could do a better job at QB than Peterman a couple of years back! 😁😇

Edited November 30, 2020 by Ridgewaycynic2013

[North Buffalo]

https://sports.yahoo.com/nfl-hits-new-heights-of-embarrassment-as-covid-19-ravages-ravens-steelers-broncos-qb-situation-193723734.html

[Big Turk]

3 hours ago, Bubba Gump said:

 

Lindsay did get hurt because he was taking so many wildcat snaps. NFL screwed Denver, plain and simple. 

 

This is ridiculous. Any one player could spread the disease. If he tests negative on Saturday, but it positive Sunday, then what? The league is playing with fire right now. 

 

They are tested on game days now. Obviously this did not happen. They do contact tracing to determine who is in proximity.

[Bubba Gump]

1 hour ago, Rochesterfan said:

 

The Ravens game was moved only because on Thursday the still had active infections popping up because of the broken protocols.  
 

They moved it to Sunday, but the positive infections had not stopped yet - so they had to move it again.  Now that the infections have stopped - the game will be played and the Ravens will be missing 8-15 players from their roster and may not be able to suit up enough guys to fill the entire active day roster.

 

The Broncos (as has been talked about several times) had a single player test positive from an external source.  Just like the Bills did with Knox earlier and Norman 2 weeks ago).  On initial review of the monitoring data - no one was deemed a close contact and practice continued.  The NFL then began a review of facility cameras and discovered that the QBs all got together inside (against protocol) for a meeting and lunch (without masks) that was not recorded on the devices (against protocol again).  On reviewing the length of time, the fact that masks were not worn, that they meet inside - the league deemed them close contacts and put them on the Covid list.  
 

It is no different than when Knox took out our TE group or Norman took out multiple DBs.  The NFL has stated several times - a competitive disadvantage will not cause the game to move - only a medical reason (ie and active infection).  
 

My guess is if the Bronco game had been scheduled for Thursday night - with the active infected player caught that day - the game may have been moved to Sunday to ensure there was no other positives.  Since the game was already scheduled for Sunday and they had no positives Friday or Saturday- they felt safe playing the game from a medical perspective. 
 

The fault lies with the Broncos totally on this and after the review - I expect the Broncos will also be fined and as this is their 2nd broken protocol - would not be surprised to see a mid round pick go bye bye.

 

Ok, thank you. This explains it much better than I have seen elsewhere. Thanks for taking the time to explain it more in Layman's terms. I still think the NFL is just trying to figure it all out as they go. Everyone is still trying to figure this ***** out.

[Captain Hindsight]

10 hours ago, The Frankish Reich said:

Ryan Leaf, 1999.

Peterman was going for the record until Sean mercifully pulled him

 

6 completions, 5  INTs

[LabattBlue]

Denver game should have also been moved to Tuesday.  At least they could have signed a QB with NFL experience off the street, and given him two days to learn a limited playbook. 

Edited November 30, 2020 by Back the Blue

[Captain Hindsight]

1 hour ago, wjag said:

This game was a National Football League embarrassment.  It was a sham.  Neither team played a QB.  At one point the passing stats were NO -8, DEN 0.  Thank goodness LA, SF gave a good game to watch.  A very good reminder to everyone how tough it is to play QB.

I was thinking this while watching Trubisky try to redeem himself again last night.

 

Trubisky is not a good NFL QB (Although, IMO his biggest problem is his lack of confidence). But he is probably in the top 1.5% of his position and people think he is terrible. Nate Peterman is probably in the top 2-3% at his position and he is a punchline

 

Kendall Hinton. Won a state title at QB in HS, played QB at a Div 1 school for two years and is a world class athlete. Lets say as a QB he is in the top 5% at his position. He completed ONE pass in an NFL game. 

 

Just gives me some perspective on how good these QBs really are, even the bad ones 

[DaBillsFanSince1973]

Quote

Denver forced to play with no QB

what a shame.

[4merper4mer]

1 minute ago, Bubba Gump said:

 

Ok, thank you. This explains it much better than I have seen elsewhere. Thanks for taking the time to explain it more in Layman's terms. I still think the NFL is just trying to figure it all out as they go. Everyone is still trying to figure this ***** out.

It's a load.  Titans literally held practices and were photographed by HS kids and the NFL swept it under the rug and went along with Tenn's pleas of ignorance.  That was a joke as every fan knew this was not allowed but the NFL decided to gaslight instead.  Baltimore had coaches concealing information and purposely avoiding rules and got a reprieve.  Denver QBs had a sandwich and the hammer came down.

 

It's a complex situation with a lot of moving parts and that makes it hard to act with consistency.  Add the fact the NFLs "punishments" are described with vague terms like 'harsh" rather than specific penalties like "forfeit" or "loss of round x draft pick" and you've got a recipe for what you're looking at now.

 

Denver had to play without a QB.  Baltimore should have to play without getting back any player that would have been unable to go on Thursday or afterward, but they will get some back.  Tenn got AJ Brown back for their games against us and Pitt due to the delay they caused and a bunch of other teams had their schedules switched around.  The more a team has ignored rules, the more the NFL has been forced to bend over.  And bend over they have.

[prissythecat]

8 minutes ago, Captain Hindsight said:

I was thinking this while watching Trubisky try to redeem himself again last night.

 

Trubisky is not a good NFL QB (Although, IMO his biggest problem is his lack of confidence). But he is probably in the top 1.5% of his position and people think he is terrible. Nate Peterman is probably in the top 2-3% at his position and he is a punchline

 

Kendall Hinton. Won a state title at QB in HS, played QB at a Div 1 school for two years and is a world class athlete. Lets say as a QB he is in the top 5% at his position. He completed ONE pass in an NFL game. 

 

Just gives me some perspective on how good these QBs really are, even the bad ones 

 

how can someone be in the top 3% of their position and be awful?  If there are 32 nfl teams with 3 qbs per team, how does your math work out?

[Mr. K]

Only if you have a former MVP and are chasing a playoff spot do you get some days off to get healthy. Stop letting QBs hit the bong and pass it.

[Doc]

1 hour ago, wjag said:

This game was a National Football League embarrassment.  It was a sham.  Neither team played a QB.  At one point the passing stats were NO -8, DEN 0.  Thank goodness LA, SF gave a good game to watch.  A very good reminder to everyone how tough it is to play QB.

 

As far as NO goes, it was their decision not to play one.

 

1 minute ago, Mr. K said:

Only if you have a former MVP and are chasing a playoff spot do you get some days off to get healthy. Stop letting QBs hit the bong and pass it.

 

They'll be missing that MVP and quite a few others.  They had a tough row to hoe before, now they have no chance of winning that game.

Edited November 30, 2020 by Doc

[Captain Hindsight]

2 minutes ago, prissythecat said:

 

how can someone be in the top 3% of their position and be awful?  If there are 32 nfl teams with 3 qbs per team, how does your math work out?

I'm including everyone in the world that could play QB. So think of every college QB, every NFL QB ect and these guys on the NFL teams are in the top 1% at their position.

 

Sorry, should have been more clear there

[Mr. K]

10 minutes ago, Doc said:

 

As far as NO goes, it was their decision not to play one.

 

 

They'll be missing that MVP and quite a few others.  They had a tough row to hoe before, now they have no chance of winning that game.

I've also never considered Tannehill a MVP and they moved our game. And at that point there was not really a "spike" in cases. I dont mind what they do as long as the Bills are winning and the season is still being played.

[prissythecat]

16 minutes ago, Captain Hindsight said:

I'm including everyone in the world that could play QB. So think of every college QB, every NFL QB ect and these guys on the NFL teams are in the top 1% at their position.

 

Sorry, should have been more clear there

 

Got it.  Interesting way to look at it .  But I would personally rank based on who is actually in the profession right now.   Counting a wannabe QB who is doing something else in life at this point may not give a valid population base.

[SoCal Deek]

Come on Man! The Bills played without an NFL caliber QB for almost a full decade, but we stilled played. 😂

[Ridgewaycynic2013]

13 hours ago, YoloinOhio said:

 

CBS won the internet.  Well, at least the TwitterVerse.

Edited November 30, 2020 by Ridgewaycynic2013

[Bleeding Bills Blue]

52 minutes ago, 4merper4mer said:

It's a load.  Titans literally held practices and were photographed by HS kids and the NFL swept it under the rug and went along with Tenn's pleas of ignorance.  That was a joke as every fan knew this was not allowed but the NFL decided to gaslight instead.  Baltimore had coaches concealing information and purposely avoiding rules and got a reprieve.  Denver QBs had a sandwich and the hammer came down.

 

It's a complex situation with a lot of moving parts and that makes it hard to act with consistency.  Add the fact the NFLs "punishments" are described with vague terms like 'harsh" rather than specific penalties like "forfeit" or "loss of round x draft pick" and you've got a recipe for what you're looking at now.

 

Denver had to play without a QB.  Baltimore should have to play without getting back any player that would have been unable to go on Thursday or afterward, but they will get some back.  Tenn got AJ Brown back for their games against us and Pitt due to the delay they caused and a bunch of other teams had their schedules switched around.  The more a team has ignored rules, the more the NFL has been forced to bend over.  And bend over they have.

 

Denver had 1 positive test on like thursday or something - you don't postpone a game for a single positive test. The contact tracing determined that the QBs were dumb and ate lunch together knowing they weren't supposed to do that.  This happened to buffalo with Knox and Norman - other players missed the game due to contact tracing.  

 

Every postponement situation has had multiple positive tests each day and involved closing facilities down.  

 

Denver was sloppy with their QBs and it cost them this game.  Every other HC knows you gotta keep one in your back pocket for this situation.  

Edited November 30, 2020 by dneveu

[y2zipper]

Also keep in mind that the Ravens that ended up on the covid reserve list won't be playing tomorrow, so it's not a huge competitive advantage for the Ravens. 

 

The league has also been consistently fining teams that violate the protocols.