Big Turk Posted November 3, 2020 Share Posted November 3, 2020 (edited) Jones now has played 20 games and has 21 INTs and 15 lost fumbles, which gives him the most turnovers(36 total) through his first 20 games for a QB since Ryan Leaf had 41... Think it might be time to realize he isn't the guy they thought he was and maybe is more like the guy every other team thought he was... https://sports.yahoo.com/time-giants-start-wondering-daniel-054545643.html Edited November 3, 2020 by matter2003 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DaBillsFanSince1973 Posted November 3, 2020 Share Posted November 3, 2020 seems that would be a ny giants problem now. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
newcam2012 Posted November 3, 2020 Share Posted November 3, 2020 Just now, matter2003 said: Jones now has played 20 games and has 21 INTs and 15 lost fumbles, which gives him the most turnovers through his first 20 games for a QB since Ryan Leaf... Think it might be time to realize he isn't the guy they thought he was and maybe is more like the guy every other team thought he was... https://sports.yahoo.com/time-giants-start-wondering-daniel-054545643.html He is young and it's still a bit early to call him a bust. I don't think he's a franchise QB and he certainly shouldn't have been drafted that early. I think he can be a serviceable QB to a slightly above average QB. 5 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GunnerBill Posted November 3, 2020 Share Posted November 3, 2020 He is good right until you need him to be. And then he isn't. The Giants should clean house - starting with Dave Gettleman - maybe hold onto Judge (he has got them playing hard they are just bad) but start again at QB. 5 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DCbillsfan Posted November 3, 2020 Share Posted November 3, 2020 He was brutal last night. I have even more appreciation for how much Josh Allen has progressed. 2 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Big Turk Posted November 3, 2020 Author Share Posted November 3, 2020 1 minute ago, newcam2012 said: He is young and it's still a bit early to call him a bust. I don't think he's a franchise QB and he certainly shouldn't have been drafted that early. I think he can be a serviceable QB to a slightly above average QB. But isn't that a bust? Someone who plays far below their draft status? The dude is likely a career backup and probably a good one but nobody gets picked 6th overall to have that career. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NoSaint Posted November 3, 2020 Share Posted November 3, 2020 2 minutes ago, newcam2012 said: He is young and it's still a bit early to call him a bust. I don't think he's a franchise QB and he certainly shouldn't have been drafted that early. I think he can be a serviceable QB to a slightly above average QB. “I think he could be a serviceable qb” means you think he’s a bust 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Greg S Posted November 3, 2020 Share Posted November 3, 2020 If Trevor Lawrence ends up on the Giants than that would be fantastic. I would feel so bad for our "friends" in green. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
newcam2012 Posted November 3, 2020 Share Posted November 3, 2020 1 minute ago, NoSaint said: “I think he could be a serviceable qb” means you think he’s a bust Depends on how you view the situation. Yes a bust due to his draft position. No to a bust because he should have never been drafted that high. He had by most experts at best a 3 round grade. So, I guess you can say the Giants brass blew it. I'm not sure the blame falls on Jones. We are making lots of assumptions here too. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GunnerBill Posted November 3, 2020 Share Posted November 3, 2020 That QB class was not good. I think I said before Kyler Murray changed course and decided to declare and play football that it was pretty close to 2013 in terms of suckitude. I did have a high second on Haskins (probably too high) and a mid second on Lock but Murray was the only round 1 Quarterback in that draft. If he hadn't declared it would be an awful class. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thenorthremembers Posted November 3, 2020 Share Posted November 3, 2020 Jones will probably have a decent career as a backup but he was a huge reach at the time. The Giants need to clean house. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
D. L. Hot-Flamethrower Posted November 3, 2020 Share Posted November 3, 2020 2 minutes ago, GunnerBill said: That QB class was not good. I think I said before Kyler Murray changed course and decided to declare and play football that it was pretty close to 2013 in terms of suckitude. I did have a high second on Haskins (probably too high) and a mid second on Lock but Murray was the only round 1 Quarterback in that draft. If he hadn't declared it would be an awful class. And Gettleman could have taken his future QB the year before and been all set....instead he went RB. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Royale with Cheese Posted November 3, 2020 Share Posted November 3, 2020 He plays like Josh Allen without Josh Allen's physical abilities or toughness. 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BarleyNY Posted November 3, 2020 Share Posted November 3, 2020 Gotta be honest, Jones is a lot better than I thought he’d be. I thought he’d be a total disaster and he has not. He’s got a bad OL across the board, no running game without Saquon and no TE to speak of. He does have two good WRs though, but that’s not nearly enough. He has some bad habits - like forcing passes as he moves (or falls) backwards. He’s got to clean that up. Of course it’d help him if he could trust his OL and had a place to step up. But he often shows great accuracy and he can get through progressions. Clean up those bad habits, get some help (esp OL) and season for a couple more years and he might be something. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
D. L. Hot-Flamethrower Posted November 3, 2020 Share Posted November 3, 2020 1 minute ago, Royale with Cheese said: He plays like Josh Allen without Josh Allen's physical abilities or toughness. Other than that he's great! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GunnerBill Posted November 3, 2020 Share Posted November 3, 2020 1 minute ago, BarleyNY said: Gotta be honest, Jones is a lot better than I thought he’d be. I thought he’d be a total disaster and he has not. He’s got a bad OL across the board, no running game without Saquon and no TE to speak of. He does have two good WRs though, but that’s not nearly enough. He has some bad habits - like forcing passes as he moves (or falls) backwards. He’s got to clean that up. Of course it’d help him if he could trust his OL and had a place to step up. But he often shows great accuracy and he can get through progressions. Clean up those bad habits, get some help (esp OL) and season for a couple more years and he might be something. He is good when everything is perfect. I said this a couple of weeks ago about him in the Eagles game. Give Jones a clean pocket and a perfect drop and he makes good reads and gets the ball out with perfect timing. But as soon as anything is off his decision making completely collapses and he just doesn't have the physical abilities to overcome that. Like Josh will always get away with the odd bad decision because of his athleticism and his arm. Every bad decision Jones makes seems to be a turnover. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Captain Hindsight Posted November 3, 2020 Share Posted November 3, 2020 He threw a TD to Dion Lewis that was a thing of beauty last night. Then latter on the extremely well designed two point attempt, he hesitated and threw it late. Lost them the game Two awful picks. Hes good in the sense he can make all the throws and whatnot, but he is not going to last long if he keeps turning the ball over like he does. Hes like Jameis Winston in that sense. He's good enough and makes enough plays to keep you hoping, then he is getting tackled and throwing it directly to a defender during a promising drive 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BarleyNY Posted November 3, 2020 Share Posted November 3, 2020 Just now, GunnerBill said: He is good when everything is perfect. I said this a couple of weeks ago about him in the Eagles game. Give Jones a clean pocket and a perfect drop and he makes good reads and gets the ball out with perfect timing. But as soon as anything is off his decision making completely collapses and he just doesn't have the physical abilities to overcome that. Like Josh will always get away with the odd bad decision because of his athleticism and his arm. Every bad decision Jones makes seems to be a turnover. I’m sure you’re right. I haven’t seen him play that much and don’t really have a reason to watch the Giants. What’s weird with Jones is that his mistakes seem so correctable. But I guess if he keeps making those kinds of mistakes then that’s a terrible sign. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mannc Posted November 3, 2020 Share Posted November 3, 2020 20 minutes ago, GunnerBill said: He is good right until you need him to be. And then he isn't. The Giants should clean house - starting with Dave Gettleman - maybe hold onto Judge (he has got them playing hard they are just bad) but start again at QB. Gettleman should have been fired the second he used the number 2 overall pick on a RB in a highly regarded QB draft. That pick could have yielded a treasure trove of draft capital, and he just flat out squandered it. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nitro Posted November 3, 2020 Share Posted November 3, 2020 Good mid range QB. Slow eyes. It showed in the 2 point conversion. Saw the man but his reaction and throw were late. Not a franchise type but he can get them to the playoffs. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DCofNC Posted November 3, 2020 Share Posted November 3, 2020 I kinda see 2 paths for him, Tannehill or Locker. Not sure which one, kinda looks more like Locker. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Big Turk Posted November 3, 2020 Author Share Posted November 3, 2020 5 minutes ago, BarleyNY said: I’m sure you’re right. I haven’t seen him play that much and don’t really have a reason to watch the Giants. What’s weird with Jones is that his mistakes seem so correctable. But I guess if he keeps making those kinds of mistakes then that’s a terrible sign. Jones has a lot of panic throws instead of eating it and taking a sack to love another down. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DasNootz Posted November 3, 2020 Share Posted November 3, 2020 (edited) 29 minutes ago, Gene1973 said: Seems like it. It's pretty hard to hit on a QB in the draft. The Jones pick was panned at the time though, so I guess the pundits win this one. 2019 was a terrible year to have a pick 2-32 and need at QB. After Kyler Murray - Daniel Jones, Drew Lock, Will Grier, Ryan Finley, Jarrett Stidham, Easton Stick, Clayton Thorson, Garnder Minshew, Trace McSorley represent Qbs taken with picks 2- 200. The mitake was made in 2018 taking Barkley - whether or not he's a "generational talent" at RB. Edited November 3, 2020 by DasNootz Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
D. L. Hot-Flamethrower Posted November 3, 2020 Share Posted November 3, 2020 6 minutes ago, mannc said: Gettleman should have been fired the second he used the number 2 overall pick on a RB in a highly regarded QB draft. That pick could have yielded a treasure trove of draft capital, and he just flat out squandered it. Fireable offense no doubt! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Captain Hindsight Posted November 3, 2020 Share Posted November 3, 2020 3 minutes ago, Nitro said: Good mid range QB. Slow eyes. It showed in the 2 point conversion. Saw the man but his reaction and throw were late. Not a franchise type but he can get them to the playoffs. That two point play was such a great design! I saw Lewis going in motion and knew it was going to him. How you don't just let that rip is awful 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SageAgainstTheMachine Posted November 3, 2020 Share Posted November 3, 2020 I think playing QB in the NFL takes certain guys more than a couple years to get a hang of so it wouldn't surprise me if he figures it out at some point. What I do know is that he should not be a starting QB right now. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BuffaloRebound Posted November 3, 2020 Share Posted November 3, 2020 There’s only 1 Brady. Jones doesn’t even have the physical talent of Tannehill and he’s no Brady. Way over-drafted. That’s not his fault, but being drafted that high will probably ruin him. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nitro Posted November 3, 2020 Share Posted November 3, 2020 Just now, Captain Hindsight said: That two point play was such a great design! I saw Lewis going in motion and knew it was going to him. How you don't just let that rip is awful He was open from the cut. Most QBs lay it out there. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Captain Hindsight Posted November 3, 2020 Share Posted November 3, 2020 1 minute ago, SageAgainstTheMachine said: I think playing QB in the NFL takes certain guys more than a couple years to get a hang of so it wouldn't surprise me if he figures it out at some point. What I do know is that he should not be a starting QB right now. He's like a better Geno Smith right now. I think Gettleman would have taken Josh if he hadnt taken Barkley. Glad hes an idiot Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
H2o Posted November 3, 2020 Share Posted November 3, 2020 34 minutes ago, GunnerBill said: He is good right until you need him to be. And then he isn't. The Giants should clean house - starting with Dave Gettleman - maybe hold onto Judge (he has got them playing hard they are just bad) but start again at QB. Gettleman is probably the worst GM in the league now that BOB is out in Houston. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
D. L. Hot-Flamethrower Posted November 3, 2020 Share Posted November 3, 2020 3 minutes ago, Captain Hindsight said: He's like a better Geno Smith right now. I think Gettleman would have taken Josh if he hadnt taken Barkley. Glad hes an idiot He could have traded down, picked up a kings ransom and still drafted Josh. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
die hard bills fan Posted November 3, 2020 Share Posted November 3, 2020 was terrible. could have won if played even average. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BarleyNY Posted November 3, 2020 Share Posted November 3, 2020 10 minutes ago, matter2003 said: Jones has a lot of panic throws instead of eating it and taking a sack to love another down. He really does. It’s a competitive thing. He’s trying to make a play. While I can respect that in a player, it has to be trained out of them. It’s one of those things that absolutely should be correctable, but if it’s not then that QB is done. It’s a career killer. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ya Digg? Posted November 3, 2020 Share Posted November 3, 2020 42 minutes ago, matter2003 said: But isn't that a bust? Someone who plays far below their draft status? The dude is likely a career backup and probably a good one but nobody gets picked 6th overall to have that career. Does he get a chance to develop or no? Especially considering he lost his running back, had a terrible line, and has below average receivers at best. Not saying he’s great, but why do we go to bust status so quick on guys? Peyton Manning wasn’t amazing a year and a half I to his career so was he a bust too? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Doc Posted November 3, 2020 Share Posted November 3, 2020 Frustrating player. There was a quote by Judge talking about how his competitiveness, which is his biggest strength, is also his biggest weakness. If he learns to play within himself, he'll be a great QB. The hard part is doing that. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Big Turk Posted November 3, 2020 Author Share Posted November 3, 2020 4 minutes ago, Ya Digg? said: Does he get a chance to develop or no? Especially considering he lost his running back, had a terrible line, and has below average receivers at best. Not saying he’s great, but why do we go to bust status so quick on guys? Peyton Manning wasn’t amazing a year and a half I to his career so was he a bust too? I mean I dunno...if I was a team looking around the NFL at all the QBs stepping right in and looking great from the get go I would have to question things. Things are a lot different now in the NFL than they were when Manning came in. The offenses are set up to allow college QBs to step right in a lot of times and succeed. A lot of college concepts, spread concepts, things being done to help them out versus back in the day when the QB had to learn the offense being run to a large degree and they didn't necessarily tailor it to that degree. Either the offense isn't set up properly for him to succeed or he just isn't very good. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Royale with Cheese Posted November 3, 2020 Share Posted November 3, 2020 36 minutes ago, GunnerBill said: He is good when everything is perfect. I said this a couple of weeks ago about him in the Eagles game. Give Jones a clean pocket and a perfect drop and he makes good reads and gets the ball out with perfect timing. But as soon as anything is off his decision making completely collapses and he just doesn't have the physical abilities to overcome that. Like Josh will always get away with the odd bad decision because of his athleticism and his arm. Every bad decision Jones makes seems to be a turnover. Would you? He's tall and has that Connecticut prep look and his dad probably owns a yacht. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Homey D. Clown Posted November 3, 2020 Share Posted November 3, 2020 1 hour ago, matter2003 said: Jones now has played 20 games and has 21 INTs and 15 lost fumbles, which gives him the most turnovers(36 total) through his first 20 games for a QB since Ryan Leaf had 41... Think it might be time to realize he isn't the guy they thought he was and maybe is more like the guy every other team thought he was... https://sports.yahoo.com/time-giants-start-wondering-daniel-054545643.html He is the New Jersey version of EJ Manuel. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GunnerBill Posted November 3, 2020 Share Posted November 3, 2020 5 minutes ago, Royale with Cheese said: Would you? He's tall and has that Connecticut prep look and his dad probably owns a yacht. Nah. Too preppy. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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