Completely out coached again.

[Scott7975]

2 hours ago, Billsfan1972 said:

Wow we recovered an onside kick.  McD Coach of the Year!!!!!!😜

 

We get it the Bills won & I'm happy with a 6-2 record.  Not happy how they've got there.

If you were a Seahawks fan would you be happy how they got there? 

[BaaadThingsMan]

Fire everybody and bring back the Ryans!!

[billsbackto81]

18 hours ago, jamiezzz said:

Coaching is the difference.  .... and our coach is not head coach material.  

McDermott is 25-23 with 2 playoff appearances in first 3 seasons as a HC

 

Belicheck is 20-28 with 0 playoffs in first 3 seasons as a HC

 

Give it a minute.

[CLTbills]

19 minutes ago, formerlyofCtown said:

Honestly take a look at the two Rosters and tell me that.  Give credit where credit is due.  Belichik squeezes a stone a blood comes out.  Part of coaching is what you get out of your players.

 

I'm not saying McDermott did a bad job, Belichik is just the GOAT.

Yet made multiple head-scratching decisions yesterday that likely cost them the game.

 

[formerlyofCtown]

21 minutes ago, CLTbills said:

Yet made multiple head-scratching decisions yesterday that likely cost them the game.

 

And nobody questions those decisions when they work out.  You're a genius if they work and an idiot if they don't.  If the recover that onside kick it's game over.

[Straight Hucklebuck]

20 hours ago, jamiezzz said:

We’re completely outcoached weekly.  It’s absolutely disgusting.  Best talent in AFC East,  but still can’t play good ball.  Time for a coaching change.

Jamiezzz - 

 

I think your assertion would work better if you had a list of items to support your idea. 

 

1. 

2. 

3. 

 

Examples needed  - were you unhappy with McDermott not taking timeouts at the end? McDermott not going for 2 to make it a 2-score game (although if he doesn't make it New England wins the game), continuing to play AJ Klein for some reason. 

 

The 2020 Bills look like the 2019 Bills to me. They can beat bad teams and will struggle with good teams. They make the Playoffs and go out in the first round. 

19 hours ago, flmike said:

Things to remember:

 

The Bills are still rebuilding. The OL is finally "stabilized" but not yet dominating. The DL took an opt-out and retirement hit and guys haven't stepped up. The LB corps is mostly playing very banged up with no good depth (part of rebuilding). Josh started his career in Year -1 due to lack of experience and training. He is really a 2nd year player this year, I think. We need some more DBs, that's for sure. So, we are not the Chiefs at this point. Enjoy winning. I know it has been a while. 

 

Josh Allen has started 35 games now. 

 

This is who he is. 

 

[flmike]

3 minutes ago, Straight Hucklebuck said:

Jamiezzz - 

 

I think your assertion would work better if you had a list of items to support your idea. 

 

1. 

2. 

3. 

 

Examples needed  - were you unhappy with McDermott not taking timeouts at the end? McDermott not going for 2 to make it a 2-score game (although if he doesn't make it New England wins the game), continuing to play AJ Klein for some reason. 

 

The 2020 Bills look like the 2019 Bills to me. They can beat bad teams and will struggle with good teams. They make the Playoffs and go out in the first round. 

 

Josh Allen has started 35 games now. 

 

This is who he is. 

 

 I think he still has more ceiling. 

[Billsfan1972]

1 hour ago, Scott7975 said:

If you were a Seahawks fan would you be happy how they got there? 

I'd be thrilled that the Offense has not slowed down one bit all season.

 

I'd be however very concerned about the Defense, that has been a hot mess since day 1.  

 

There is a difference vs. the Bills #3 ranked 2019 defense being lousy and somehow the Offense that was top 4 weeks 1-4, nowq is regressing.

[Straight Hucklebuck]

3 minutes ago, Billsfan1972 said:

I'd be thrilled that the Offense has not slowed down one bit all season.

 

I'd be however very concerned about the Defense, that has been a hot mess since day 1.  

 

There is a difference vs. the Bills #3 ranked 2019 defense being lousy and somehow the Offense that was top 4 weeks 1-4, nowq is regressing.

I'd think, I have Russell Wilson and DK Metcalf. 

 

I'm never out of a game because I have the best offense in the league. 

[Captain Caveman]

I'm not gonna read through this whole thing, but just wanted to point out that Belicheck basically outcoached himself (and maybe singlehandedly lost the game) with that onside kick call.

[Shaw66]

20 hours ago, jamiezzz said:

We’re completely outcoached weekly.  It’s absolutely disgusting.  Best talent in AFC East,  but still can’t play good ball.  Time for a coaching change.

Pretty tough to go 6-2 while being completely outcoached every week.  

 

The best talent in the AFC East is 4-0 in the AFC East.  Imagine how good that record would be if the Bills had good coaching.  

[Straight Hucklebuck]

3 hours ago, McBean said:

Reality will sit in on McClappy whenever the Bills get blown out the next 2 weeks.

 

The guy has feasted on crap teams his entire career and exposed when he faced anybody worth a crap.

 

This team isn’t going anywhere LONG TERM until you fix the top.

Even if this is true, the Bills are married to Allen. 

 

So regardless of if McDermott is a great Coach, the FO has done enough to help Allen and this offense score points. 

 

It comes down to their selection of Allen. Is he going to turn the corner and become a Top 10ish QB?

[Nextmanup]

18 minutes ago, flmike said:

 I think he still has more ceiling. 

Honestly, I think we have not only seen Josh's ceiling, we've seen what he looks like playing above his ceiling (for large portions of Games 1-4).

The issue isn't how high his ceiling is.  The question is how frequently and reliably he can play near it.

 

When Straight Hucklebuck writes "This is who he is," I assumed he meant the inconsistency of his game.

 

I think that is who he is.

 

 

 

[Captain Caveman]

 

2 Minutes 30 seconds - how do you think we felt Henry?

[McBean]

1 minute ago, Straight Hucklebuck said:

Even if this is true, the Bills are married to Allen. 

 

So regardless of if McDermott is a great Coach, the FO has done enough to help Allen and this offense score points. 

 

It comes down to their selection of Allen. Is he going to turn the corner and become a Top 10ish QB?

IMO, not under McClappy.

 

This seems to me as the same situation that Jared Goff was in with Jeff Fisher. Grant it, Goff still isn’t very good but he couldn’t throw the ball 5 yards under Fisher.

 

If the Pegulas’s were smart they would fire McDermott (like brass balls Jon Robinson did with Mularkey) and elevate Daboll or go after a bright offensive mind like Joe Brady.

 

It would work wonders for Allen. Unfortunately, McDermott is hiding behind his cupcake win loss record against crap teams.

[Nitro]

The Bills held their own.  Overcame injuries to defeat their biggest foe.   

[Straight Hucklebuck]

1 hour ago, Nextmanup said:

Honestly, I think we have not only seen Josh's ceiling, we've seen what he looks like playing above his ceiling (for large portions of Games 1-4).

The issue isn't how high his ceiling is.  The question is how frequently and reliably he can play near it.

 

When Straight Hucklebuck writes "This is who he is," I assumed he meant the inconsistency of his game.

 

I think that is who he is.

 

That's right.

 

After 2019, I don't want to hear about Wyoming anymore, or not enough weapons, or him being raw. 

 

He's had the same HC and OC for 3 years straight and the FO has made an effort to get him skill position players. 

 

He's started 35 games now. 

 

You're 2.5 years in now, so I think it's reasonable to think Allen is closer to his ceiling, than his floor. 

[Scott7975]

3 hours ago, Billsfan1972 said:

I'd be thrilled that the Offense has not slowed down one bit all season.

 

I'd be however very concerned about the Defense, that has been a hot mess since day 1.  

 

There is a difference vs. the Bills #3 ranked 2019 defense being lousy and somehow the Offense that was top 4 weeks 1-4, nowq is regressing.

 

3 hours ago, Straight Hucklebuck said:

I'd think, I have Russell Wilson and DK Metcalf. 

 

I'm never out of a game because I have the best offense in the league. 

 

What I am getting at is the difference in perception.  The teams are similar.  Both have struggled to some mediocre teams.  Both have lost at least one game to a good team.

[Billsfan1972]

3 hours ago, Straight Hucklebuck said:

I'd think, I have Russell Wilson and DK Metcalf. 

 

I'm never out of a game because I have the best offense in the league. 

 

And I'd put the Bills right there too, but McD still seems to not understand that and has not adapted since week 4.  Now it is vanilla offense, a lot of underneath and allowing the other team to dictate the play. 

 

3 hours ago, Nextmanup said:

Honestly, I think we have not only seen Josh's ceiling, we've seen what he looks like playing above his ceiling (for large portions of Games 1-4).

The issue isn't how high his ceiling is.  The question is how frequently and reliably he can play near it.

 

When Straight Hucklebuck writes "This is who he is," I assumed he meant the inconsistency of his game.

 

I think that is who he is.

 

 

 

And I disagree....  We finally saw a peak as to what it can be and again McD has not helped the past 4 games.  18 passes yesterday in perfectly okay weather.  They tried all of one long pass (and that was too at the wrong time).

[Bob in STL]

On 11/1/2020 at 2:47 PM, jamiezzz said:

Coaching is the difference.  .... and our coach is not head coach material.  

Who should we hire after Pegula fires McDermott and Beane walks?
 

 

[BananaB]

McDermott ain’t the only guy Bill has out coached, definitely won’t be the last. All that matters is the W and we got that. 

[Rock'em Sock'em]

We need a good coach, one that will try an onside kick in the 4th quarter of a tied game where wind and weather help slow down the offense.  Thanks for the W BB!

[Nextmanup]

2 hours ago, Billsfan1972 said:

 

And I'd put the Bills right there too, but McD still seems to not understand that and has not adapted since week 4.  Now it is vanilla offense, a lot of underneath and allowing the other team to dictate the play. 

 

And I disagree....  We finally saw a peak as to what it can be and again McD has not helped the past 4 games.  18 passes yesterday in perfectly okay weather.  They tried all of one long pass (and that was too at the wrong time).

If you're suggesting that we need to find a way to get Allen back to where he was in the first 4 games, I totally agree with you and just wrote as much in a different thread.

 

Most folks around here right now are saying "OK, take what the D gives us and run the ball more!"  I totally disagree with that.

 

The problem is Tennessee showed the league how to shut down Josh Allen and ever  since, he has been shut down.

 

Daboll needs to find a way to get him back on track---if he can.

 

 

[Cruiserplayer]

If we would have only hired Anthony Lynn: ...

[umangatan]

On 11/1/2020 at 3:47 PM, CBennett said:

Difference is the balancing act between O and D and salary and who to keep(who can you afford) and who goes....too many on D left throuhg simply not resigning them, opt outs and retirements...the ones left are just not that great and some are just simply getting older and have lower impact than a year or 2 ago like Hughes....he isnt bad..he isnt the player he was 2=3 years ago...

 

If you think the D is bad now wait till Allens contract comes up lol

Great response. Responsible cap use is key. We need to continue to draft and build our team that route and only keep people who truly earn another contract. The NFL is so different now than from the 90's Bills we all have nostalgia over. "Good" teams lose every week. Welcome to NFL parity. The cap only lets you get so good or pay for it later. That being said, Beane hasn't been as spot on with picks as I had hoped, especially for someone who came up as a scout...

Edited November 3, 2020 by umang_a_desai

[The Jokeman]

3 hours ago, Nextmanup said:

If you're suggesting that we need to find a way to get Allen back to where he was in the first 4 games, I totally agree with you and just wrote as much in a different thread.

 

Most folks around here right now are saying "OK, take what the D gives us and run the ball more!"  I totally disagree with that.

 

The problem is Tennessee showed the league how to shut down Josh Allen and ever  since, he has been shut down.

 

Daboll needs to find a way to get him back on track---if he can.

 

 

Davis catches the ball in the end zone it changes the Pats game. Josh lead the Bills downfield all game against Jets but had TD called back on questionable penalty. It's a game of inches. Josh isn't hitting everything like he was early on but he hasn't been fully stopped. 

[umangatan]

15 minutes ago, The Jokeman said:

Davis catches the ball in the end zone it changes the Pats game. Josh lead the Bills downfield all game against Jets but had TD called back on questionable penalty. It's a game of inches. Josh isn't hitting everything like he was early on but he hasn't been fully stopped. 

That plus the Gabriel(Gabe, I'll call you that bc you pissed me off lol) drop really changed his stats. Josh performed pretty well imo w limited opportunities.

[The Jokeman]

4 minutes ago, umang_a_desai said:

That plus the Gabriel(Gabe, I'll call you that bc you pissed me off lol) drop really changed his stats. Josh performed pretty well imo w limited opportunities.

I said it yesterday, Allen's playing average.

[Bob in STL]

On 11/1/2020 at 3:28 PM, blacklabel said:

 

Loved seeing him out there today. Sucks he's gotta play in place of Morse, though. If Ford can go next week I'd like to see Bates get a start over Winters, just to see how that works. 

I douBt we see Morse. 
 

Lot of people liking Bates but Boettger graded highest on our OL last week. If Ford is ready how about he replaces Winter and Boettger stays at LG. Let’s keep building continuity. 

Edited November 3, 2020 by Bob in STL

[umangatan]

Just now, The Jokeman said:

I said it yesterday, Allen's playing average.

I definitely wouldn't say that. Allen is subject to the OC's gameplan. He was not going to get 40+ attempts this week. Two drops makes a big difference in his stats. Hell even one changes the complection of the game and both were balls that SHOULD have been caught.

[Hebert19]

Another prime example of winning ugly happening on TV right now.   If Tampa somehow wins this game...do you think they are batching about how bad the giants are . No.  A win is a win.  

[Big Turk]

I remember a game against Peyton Manning in Indy where we played great on D, got a pick 6 against him, held their offense down to 17 or 20 points and ended up losing at the last minute.

 

The point is. Who cares? They don't count coaching victories, only scoreboard victories and we have 6 of them so far, with only 2 other teams in the league having more.

 

It is a week to week league and very rarely do things from.one week carry over to the next one.

46 minutes ago, umang_a_desai said:

I definitely wouldn't say that. Allen is subject to the OC's gameplan. He was not going to get 40+ attempts this week. Two drops makes a big difference in his stats. Hell even one changes the complection of the game and both were balls that SHOULD have been caught.

 

No idea how Davis makes that spectacular catch against the Dolphins and then drops a ball Allen puts right on him.

Edited November 3, 2020 by matter2003

[Thurman#1]

On 11/2/2020 at 5:27 AM, jamiezzz said:

We’re completely outcoached weekly.  It’s absolutely disgusting.  Best talent in AFC East,  but still can’t play good ball.  Time for a coaching change.

 

 

 

Yawn.

[umangatan]

1 hour ago, Bob in STL said:

I douBt we see Morse. 
 

Lot of people liking Bates but Boettger graded highest on our OL last week. If Ford is ready how about he replaces Winter and Boettger stays at LG. Let’s keep building continuity. 

 

Bates, Feliciano and Boettger should all se the field. All performed well in specific situations