The McDermott Era...Will the first signature win(s) come the next 3 weeks?

[CodeMonkey]

9 hours ago, Wizard said:

The Bills have not had a signature win in my opinion in the McClappy era. Some may argue the Cowboys win last year or even Andy Dalton's gift in breaking the playoff drought. We have had some good wins, but I started thinking...

 

What do board members believe constitutes a signature win?  Is it a dominant performance in all 3 phases of the game? A road victory against a frequent playoff team? Putting a blemish on a team with their first loss? A playoff win? A gutty come-from-behind victory? Beating the less formidable Patriots next week?

 

I believe the Cardinals and Steelers got signature wins this week. 

 

The Bills so far have played as expected. They were manhandled by clearly better teams, won some cupcakes, and eeked out wins against teams comparable in skill this year. 

 

Will a Bills win against NE be signature level?  Or, do they need to put together 3 wins in a row? (Jets, Pats, and Hawks, etc.)

 

What pelt or pelts do they need on their wall to move from fairly good to great this year?

 

Let's discuss.

 

 

 

 

 

The Pats got their asses handed to them yesterday. Worst home loss for bellycheat ever I believe they said yesterday. They are currently below .500 at 2-3.

So ... "Will the first signature win(s) come the next 3 weeks? ...

• It certainly was not in the last 3 weeks.
• Can beating a sub .500 team be a "signature" win, even if the coach of said team is reviled?

My opinion, as satisfying as beating bellycheat and "happy ending" Kraft might be, with the current circumstances it cannot be that signature win.  As to the others, we'll see. 

[foreboding]

If we allowed McGase to make a MacGame of it, then McDermott better be read for MickBill. 

Edited October 26, 2020 by foreboding

[Billsfan1972]

9 hours ago, Billsatlastin2018 said:

“A road victory against a frequent playoff team”

That. But, I would settle for a Home W, as well. 
 

McClapper’s record against Playoff Teams of the same year is actually WORSE than all the clueless stumblebums, we have witnessed as so called HCs this Millenium.

Pre McD? 19-78 (24%)

 

The Clapper

2017 = 2-4

2018 = 0-7

2019 = 1- 4

2020 =  0-2 ?

 

TOTAL = 3 - 17 20%

He really hasn’t had a “signature win.”

There record vs. teams over .500 (8-8 doesn't count) is just as abysmal...

 

I counted 5 between 2017-19....  This year LA Rams.

[uticaclub]

9 hours ago, Miyagi-Do Karate said:

I thought our win in Pittsburgh last year was a signature win. 

I want a better signature than beating a 3rd string QB or #1WR or #1RB

[uticaclub]

42 minutes ago, billsherd said:

Rams win this year isn't signature enough win?

Not when they finish 8-8

[teef]

people try far too hard with the quality of win nonsense.

[Roundybout]

10 hours ago, McBean said:

McClappy has never won a big game.

 

0 signature wins.

 

Most overrated coach in league. 
 

Hope he makes me eat my words.

 

Something tells me you won't ever be happy

[Billsatlastin2018]

17 minutes ago, Billsfan1972 said:

There record vs. teams over .500 (8-8 doesn't count) is just as abysmal...

 

I counted 5 between 2017-19....  This year LA Rams.

Rams don’t count yet.They are 2020 #7.

 

Interested about the other ones. Point being, McD is just as bad as ALL the other stiffs, even though we are disinclined to believe that. And I didn’t even use the fact he’s 0-2 IN the Playoffs! 
 

So upcoming... beat Arizona, beat Seattle, beat Pitt!

[Roundybout]

2 hours ago, Gene1973 said:

Bingo, so many fans are clueless on what signature win means!

 

It's a completely subjective term that anyone can disagree with.

 

I can say the win against the Jets was a signature win because we overcame adversity and grinded out a victory with McD's philosophy of next man up. 

[Rocbillsfan1]

Honestly I thought the rams game this year was still their best win. We will see. There’s much to be desired from the offensive collapse under daboll the last 3 weeks and the defense playing like trash except for a couple half’s here and there. 

[Royale with Cheese]

13 minutes ago, Gene1973 said:

They hung with the best in the AFC yesterday with a good look at OT. You think the Bills-Steelers game is going to look anything like that?

 

Anytime we hang with the Patriots, it's not good enough.  If you're the Titans and you play the Steelers competitively.....it's good enough.

 

I don't know, I can't predict the future.  I'm sure you had the Dolphins beating the 49ers by 26.

[Billsfan1972]

4 minutes ago, Billsatlastin2018 said:

Rams don’t count yet.They are 2020 #7.

 

Interested about the other ones. Point being, McD is just as bad as ALL the other stiffs, even though we are disinclined to believe that. And I didn’t even use the fact he’s 0-2 IN the Playoffs! 
 

So upcoming... beat Arizona, beat Seattle, beat Pitt!

I have Tenn x 2, KC, Minn, Atl.....  Anyone else?  BTW Tennessee was 9-7 both years and Minn 8-7-1.....   

[McBean]

1 hour ago, BillsEnthusiast said:

 

Something tells me you won't ever be happy

 Something tells me you like “settling” on things in life.

 

Whenever you can post facts about Sean McDermott and who he’s beat that’s worth a *****, I’ll listen.

[teef]

2 minutes ago, McBean said:

 Something tells me you like “settling” on things in life.

 

Whenever you can post facts about Sean McDermott and who he’s beat that’s worth a *****, I’ll listen.

this "settling" thing is nonsense.  i'm sure you life is so buttoned up because you refuse to settle for anything less!

 

 

[Motorin']

5 hours ago, Rochesterfan said:

 

My God - you would think we are the Jets or something with all of the trolls on board.

 

Getting a “signature” win for this team is tough because trollish fans want to move the goalposts after each game.

 

Let’s see we went on the road in 2018 as huge underdogs to Minnesota (a team that was in the NFC championship game the year before) and dominated them as one of the biggest underdogs to outright win a game with several signature plays, but that gets pushed aside.

 

Last year we go on the road and beat Tennessee (a team that went to the AFC championship and should of beat KC) - a signature win - maybe for some fan bases, but not you.

 

Pittsburgh/Dallas in prime time - both games propel us to the playoffs, but our wins knocked them out - both wins on the road and both as slight dogs.  Going through your criteria the Bills have several wins that hit you definition- they have dominated games in all 3 phases, they have road wins against frequent playoff teams, gutty come from behind wins, putting first or critical losses on teams, but they do not seem to count for you.
 

The issue is after each of wins - trolling fans find reasons to lessen the Bills wins and the same thing will happen with the next 3 games.  If they beat the Pats does it mean anything?  That would move them to 2-5 and therefore mean nothing once done.  Seattle is no longer unbeaten and could be on a 2 game losing streak when we play.  The Cardinals are so up and down that if we win by the end of the year it might be meaningless.

 

Just relax and enjoy another playoff year and see where it goes.

 

Same fans wold have demanded Cowher be fired 10 years before he won the Super Bowl, and would have demanded the next three coaches were fired too in the 12 years it took the Steelers to win it under Cowher. 

[Billsatlastin2018]

2 hours ago, Billsfan1972 said:

I have Tenn x 2, KC, Minn, Atl.....  Anyone else?  BTW Tennessee was 9-7 both years and Minn 8-7-1.....   

 

Don’t know what you’re talking about! 
 

Tennessee only played the Bills as a PLAYOFF Team in 2019 and likely this year! Ergo, 1-1.

 

And Minnesota didn’t lose in a year they went to the PLAYOFFS!

 

Even, if I grant you an imaginary victory, it’s still a HORRIBLE record! 

 

 

[Billsfan1972]

2 minutes ago, Billsatlastin2018 said:

 

Don’t know what you’re talking about! 
 

Tennessee only played the Bills as a PLAYOFF Team in 2019 and likely this year! Ergo, 1-1.

 

And Minnesota didn’t lose in a year they went to the PLAYOFFS!

 

Even, if I grant you an imaginary victory, it’s still a HORRIBLE record! 

 

 

I said the Bills have only 5 wins vs. teams OVER .500 the prior three years & named them.  25-23 2017-2019 and of ther 25 wins, 5 were vs. teams over .500.

 

Is that clear enough?  

[BuffaLoko]

12 hours ago, Mr. K said:

Judging by Cam Newton and the pats running game I think we're looking at the same game as this week. If McClappenstien gets McWins and clapperoos to the McPlayoffs I'm McHappy. Even if its the Tyler Bass God Make It Stop Game. 19 years of no playoff was horrible...

17

[Billsatlastin2018]

19 minutes ago, Billsfan1972 said:

I said the Bills have only 5 wins vs. teams OVER .500 the prior three years & named them.  25-23 2017-2019 and of ther 25 wins, 5 were vs. teams over .500.

 

Is that clear enough?  

 

Sure. But, THAT is a lower bar. Not the one I set- the Playoff one, which is the one I set and YOU responded to!

 

Is that clear! 

[Mr. WEO]

The McD Bills signature win was Bengals over Ravens, 2017

[LABILLBACKER]

13 hours ago, Miyagi-Do Karate said:

I thought our win in Pittsburgh last year was a signature win. 

Duck disagrees 

[Logic]

Winning at Heinz Field on a Sunday Night to clinch the playoffs was a signature win.

I don't care that it was Duck Hodges. The Steelers had a winning record and were favored to win that game. All of the experts picked them. It wasn't even close.

The Bills went into hostile territory in prime time, and with the pressure on, they won.

That was a signature win, and I will adamantly disagree with anyone who says otherwise.

[teef]

3 minutes ago, Gene1973 said:

Eventhough long term it is meaningful more than it isn't...

 

not really.  any given sunday, especially in the playoffs.  didn't the giants barely squeak into the playoffs the year they beat the pats?

[BillsfaninSB]

Win the AFC East this year.  That will be a big signature win. 

[teef]

1 minute ago, Gene1973 said:

Yes, but is that the norm? No, it is not. Usually the best teams who score the most points during the season win championships.

so you mean teams that score more than their opponent and win more games tend to be better?  shocking!

[dma0034]

14 hours ago, Billsatlastin2018 said:

“A road victory against a frequent playoff team”

That. But, I would settle for a Home W, as well. 
 

McClapper’s record against Playoff Teams of the same year is actually WORSE than all the clueless stumblebums, we have witnessed as so called HCs this Millenium.

Pre McD? 19-78 (24%)

 

The Clapper

2017 = 2-4

2018 = 0-7

2019 = 1- 4

2020 =  0-2 ?

 

TOTAL = 3 - 17 20%

He really hasn’t had a “signature win.”

 

 

Feel confident the Rams will make the playoffs

[teef]

1 minute ago, Gene1973 said:

Not just score more than their opponent no. At least not in this latest era. Prolific scoring, decimating opponents on occasion.

gene...we need you to start thinking of the good that can happen in life, and not the bad.  you my friend, need a vision board.

[teef]

5 minutes ago, Gene1973 said:

I'm fine the way I am. Skepticism has served me quite well. It's not for everyone, but works for me.

but you're unhappy.  no one has to live their life like that.

[PonyBoy]

14 hours ago, Miyagi-Do Karate said:

I thought our win in Pittsburgh last year was a signature win. 

They didnt have Big Ben. 

[teef]

3 minutes ago, Gene1973 said:

 

If you knew me, you'd not see any unhappiness lol.

but we see it in your words.  your posting is a window to your soul.

Edited October 26, 2020 by teef

[AlCowlingsTaxiService]

14 hours ago, Miyagi-Do Karate said:

I thought our win in Pittsburgh last year was a signature win. 

Not with the Duck behind center it’s not. 

[NewEra]

45 minutes ago, Logic said:

Winning at Heinz Field on a Sunday Night to clinch the playoffs was a signature win.

I don't care that it was Duck Hodges. The Steelers had a winning record and were favored to win that game. All of the experts picked them. It wasn't even close.

The Bills went into hostile territory in prime time, and with the pressure on, they won.

That was a signature win, and I will adamantly disagree with anyone who says otherwise.

It was pretty close

https://www.google.com/amp/s/stillcurtain.com/2019/12/14/experts-split-winner-steelers-vs-bills/amp/

When it came time for NFL experts, analysts, and radio personalities to make their weekly predictions, the prognosis was mainly split down the middle. According to NFL Pick Watch, 57 percent of experts are taking the Steelers to win this weekend while 43 percent believe Buffalo will emerge victorious.

This is the closest margin of expert predictions this week and one of the narrowest margins of predictions since the Raiders hosted the Chargers in Week 10. There is some compelling evidence why this may be the case.

 

edit:  if Duck Hodges wasn’t the QB, the experts picks might not have been close.....but it was very close because who’s playing QB matter more than anything.  Hence, why it isn’t a signature win.  If we had beaten the patriots last season, no one would be talking about the steeler game as a signature win.  I agree that it was probably our best win under McD.  I just wouldn’t put it on such a pedestal 

Edited October 26, 2020 by NewEra

[Billsfan1972]

Pretty pathetic if you consider a 17-10 win over Pittsburgh a team that had almost no offense (and ended up 8-8) a signature win.

 

Actually the Bills did everything they could to keep Duck in the game.

[Billsfan1972]

3 minutes ago, Jaraxxus said:

 

Prior to that, when was the last time the Bills won in Pittsburgh

 

An 8-8 team that was horrible on offense.  A win yes.... Signature no.  

 

The bar is so low, we can have a limbo contest!!!!

Edited October 26, 2020 by Billsfan1972

[Simon]

54 minutes ago, Logic said:

Winning at Heinz Field on a Sunday Night to clinch the playoffs was a signature win.

I don't care that it was Duck Hodges. The Steelers had a winning record and were favored to win that game. All of the experts picked them. It wasn't even close.

The Bills went into hostile territory in prime time, and with the pressure on, they won.

That was a signature win, and I will adamantly disagree with anyone who says otherwise.

 

Not to mention they stole Renegade.

As a Western Pennsylvanian surrounded by Stiller fans, that has thus far been my favorite accomplishment of the McBeane era. 

[Shaw66]

14 hours ago, Wizard said:

The Bills have not had a signature win in my opinion in the McClappy era. Some may argue the Cowboys win last year or even Andy Dalton's gift in breaking the playoff drought. We have had some good wins, but I started thinking...

 

What do board members believe constitutes a signature win?  Is it a dominant performance in all 3 phases of the game? A road victory against a frequent playoff team? Putting a blemish on a team with their first loss? A playoff win? A gutty come-from-behind victory? Beating the less formidable Patriots next week?

 

I believe the Cardinals and Steelers got signature wins this week. 

 

The Bills so far have played as expected. They were manhandled by clearly better teams, won some cupcakes, and eeked out wins against teams comparable in skill this year. 

 

Will a Bills win against NE be signature level?  Or, do they need to put together 3 wins in a row? (Jets, Pats, and Hawks, etc.)

 

What pelt or pelts do they need on their wall to move from fairly good to great this year?

 

Let's discuss.

 

Interesting question.  First, let me say that I agree; there has been no signature win yet.  The signature win is a win against a premier team in a game with major implications, like home field in the playoffs.  It's a win that people can foreshadow being a Conference championship game or a Super Bowl.  If the Bills had won the Chiefs game, if the full-fledged two-fourth-quarter-TDs- scenario had played out, with the Bills winning that game, that would have been the signature win.  The signature win is probably on the road, but it could be at home.    

 

I'm not expecting a signature win this season.  I think the Bills have too many weaknesses to get that kind of win, but I admit I could be wrong.  McDermott's process is to keep building and to have a powerful team in December.   He may already see how to get there - I don't know.  

 

I don't see the signature win coming this season.  The schedule doesn't help - last three games of the season are almost certainly not signature-win games if won (unless somehow we come down to a Bills-Pats for the AFCE title).  49ers could be a signature win.  Or the Steelers.  There's a scenario where it's the Cards, but not likely.  

 

Completely aside from that, I've been avoiding until now looking at the schedule.  Bills are coming into a brutal stretch.   Going 1-5 isn't impossible.  4-2 is possible, I'd take it.  I can live with 3-3, but if the Bills only go 3-3, that's one more reason we won't see the signature win this season.  

[BillsVet]

51 minutes ago, Logic said:

Winning at Heinz Field on a Sunday Night to clinch the playoffs was a signature win.

I don't care that it was Duck Hodges. The Steelers had a winning record and were favored to win that game. All of the experts picked them. It wasn't even close.

The Bills went into hostile territory in prime time, and with the pressure on, they won.

That was a signature win, and I will adamantly disagree with anyone who says otherwise.

 

You don't get to set the signature win criteria because  "experts" picked Pittsburgh.  Buffalo didn't even win convincingly given the 7 point margin of victory.  

 

They played against a QB who will probably never start another meaningful regular season game.  

 

I'll contend that McD's biggest win in nearly 3.5 seasons is the Atlanta away game in 2017.  Or, the Dallas Thanksgiving game.  That's logical. 

[Shaw66]

32 minutes ago, Gene1973 said:

Wow, just had a terrible thought about online psychiatry, what could go wrong? I really hope that's not a real thing yet...

teef's been practicing onliine psychiatry here for years.  

 

a genuinely happy trainwreck!

[muppy]

8 hours ago, Gene1973 said:

Don't think so, a signature win is a win against a top team in a given season. NE is not a top team, they look like garbage right now. McClappity had two chances to beat a couple top teams, he turtled in both of them. As he will likely do against the SeaHawks and Steelers...

thank you for defining  what a signature win actually means to you. That to me is the crux of the matter. For ME what it would mean is that all 3 facets of the team excel and win  convincingly with no significant needs or deficiences in any 3 areas (offense defence and special teams) Unfortunatey the Bills haven't gotten there yet so by my definition such a plateau can't be reached until earliest next year.

Edited October 26, 2020 by Muppy
typo

[NewEra]

7 minutes ago, Muppy said:

thank you for defining  what a signature win actually means to you. That to me is the crux of the matter. For ME what it would mean is that all 3 facets of the team excel and win  convincingly with no significant needs or deficiences in any 3 areas (offense defence and special teams) Unfortunatey the Bills haven't gotten there yet so by my definition such a plateau can't be reached until earliest next year.

Interesting way to look at it.  I’m not saying your wrong, it’s entirely your opinion, just as my opinion is just that, my opinion 
 

I think a team can have a signature win if the offense and defense play great and the ST sucks.  If an offense and ST play great and the defense gets destroyed all game, the. Comes up with a huge sack or interception with the game on the line.