People need to check themselves

[Watkins90]

It took Andy Reid 20 years to win a Super Bowl. 20 YEARS and he is one of the better coaches in the NFL. I think people underestimate just how hard it is to win in the NFL.

[BuffaloBobs]

10 minutes ago, Penfield45 said:

Go ask Bengals fans what they thought about Marvin Lewis 

 

McD was a great coach to get us over that hump but he will never take us deep into the playoffs or win a SB. He just isn't at that level. years of mediocrity have blinded bills fans into believing he is a top tier HC. 

 

I don't know how you know that -- maybe its the years of mediocrity that have you missing the forest for the trees.

 

Let's face it -- this team wasn't going 16-0 or 15-1 -- we lost to inarguably the top two teams in the AFC under some literally unprecedented circumstances. This is a staff that has completely rebuilt the team in three years and given me the only two playoff appearances of my adult life. It doesn't mean I'm not worried about our defense and consistency on offense, but we're 4-2 and they've earned at the VERY LEAST the rest of the season before jumping to judgement about the future of the staff.

[McBean]

Ok, I’ll check myself. Lets do some checking shall we?

 

1. Never beat the Pats

 

2. Hasn’t won a playoff game 

 

3. punted in OT against colts to play for tie

 

4. Conservative as hell and a terrible in game coach 

 

5. defensive guru yet defense is the worst it’s been despite significant capital devoted to that side of ball.

 

6. NOT ONE SIGNATURE WIN IN 4 YEARS

 

7. Opposing teams have rushed for over 200+ yards 3 times on him 

 

Lets build a statue of the guy!

[Penfield45]

1 minute ago, Watkins90 said:

It took Andy Reid 20 years to win a Super Bowl. 20 YEARS and he is one of the better coaches in the NFL. I think people underestimate just how hard it is to win in the NFL.

 

Reid went to 5 NFC championships in Philly and 1 SB. McD can't even win a big game when it matters. We aren't even asking for much. We didn't beat a single good team last season on our way to 10 wins and barely got by some of the terrible teams like the Bengals. 

 

massive difference. 

[Allen2Moulds]

22 minutes ago, MAJBobby said:

4-2 and still tops in the AFCE. However keep playing uninspired and unprepared football and that division lead will quickly go away. 
 

and you don’t win the Division McD eyes turn to you. 

Thank you for summing it up. It's exactly it. I think we underestimated the emotional charge that Shaq and Phillips added to our D. Except Norman who's far from the ball, we have a bunch of quiet nice guys on D.

[Aussie Joe]

I would have taken 4-2 at the start of the season...

 

But now after seeing the games , the play of the D in particular is concerning me, and after 6 weeks of it I'm now hoping rather an expecting that they can turn it around..

[Real McClappy]

Just now, Penfield45 said:

 

Reid went to 5 NFC championships in Philly and 1 SB. McD can't even win a big game when it matters. We aren't even asking for much. We didn't beat a single good team last season on our way to 10 wins and barely got by some of the terrible teams like the Bengals. 

 

massive difference. 

Titans?

[Johnnycage46]

27 minutes ago, TonyBeets said:

I think the difference, and I may be jumping the gun here....but I think the difference from those 17 years prior....we actually have a QB.  There's no excuses.  

Do we?

[RichRiderBills]

1 minute ago, Aussie Joe said:

I would have taken 4-2 at the start of the season...

 

But now after seeing the games , the play of the D in particular is concerning me, and after 6 weeks of it I'm now hoping rather an expecting that they can turn it around..

Play of the D concerning...against the best team in NFL.

[Johnnycage46]

1 minute ago, Aussie Joe said:

I would have taken 4-2 at the start of the season...

 

But now after seeing the games , the play of the D in particular is concerning me, and after 6 weeks of it I'm now hoping rather an expecting that they can turn it around..

 

Unfortunately, it seems like a tall task for them to figure it out.  This D, along with Allen's regression and poor offensive playcalling lately will likely be our undoing.  

[Watkins90]

3 minutes ago, Penfield45 said:

 

Reid went to 5 NFC championships in Philly and 1 SB. McD can't even win a big game when it matters. We aren't even asking for much. We didn't beat a single good team last season on our way to 10 wins and barely got by some of the terrible teams like the Bengals. 

 

massive difference. 

You know, as Webster native, I have always hated people from Penfield. 

[Aussie Joe]

Just now, RichRiderBills said:

Play of the D concerning...against the best team in NFL.

 

And the other 5 games?

[gobills404]

I'm not upset cause we're a bad team. I'm upset because we could still be doing so much better.

[Freddie's Dead]

4th and inches, we have 4 DL on the LOS, 3 LB's 3 yards off the LOS, 2 CB's on receivers, and no idea where the safeties were.  The prosecution rests y'ana.

[Rick 'r Mortis]

By 'people' in the title of the thread, surely you mean players on the team.

 

We're fans, short for fanatics I think...that's our excuse. But wtf with the pee wee football out there? 

[Johnnycage46]

Just now, RichRiderBills said:

Play of the D concerning...against the best team in NFL.

 

What about against the Titans?  And the Dolphins (remember we had to actually come back to win that game), and the Rams (remember we gave up 29 straight)?  Where do those teams rank, if the Chiefs are the best in the NFL, it should be concerning that the majority of the teams we have played thus far are also scoring at will on us.

[BarleyNY]

11 minutes ago, Watkins90 said:

Before Sean McDermott, this team hadn't made the playoffs in 17 years. We were the butt of the NFL for, forever. 

 

McDermott has gotten us to the playoffs 2 out of the last 3 years. Think about that, we went 17 years without a playoff appearance and now we have been there two out of the last 3 years. 

 

I don't get the hate for McDermott, he has simply gotten the job done. He has gotten us what we all wanted, a chance at the Super Bowl. You can't get a chance if you don't make the playoffs. Beane and McDermott reset this team, and are now building it to compete each and every year. Now, it's about building on last year's playoff appearance and turning it into a playoff win and then eventually a Super Bowl. I think some here forget how bad it was here for 17 years. 

 

Let's cool the fire everyone takes. Lets see where this team is after the Patriots game. 
 

 

Ok, I get pumping the brakes on the doom and gloom, but let’s not overstate things either. We’ve made the playoffs 2 of the last 3 seasons BUT WE HAVE NOT HAD A REAL CHANCE AT MAKING A SUPER BOWL YET.  We lost both playoff games we’ve been in.  We got taken to the woodshed in the first one, then lost in OT to a team that KC crushed in the following round.  We weren’t close. 
 

Now that doesn’t mean that McD and Beane haven’t improved this team vastly.  They have.  But this team isn’t an elite one yet.  The 4-0 record we had as of a couple weeks ago set some lofty expectations because it looked like we might have arrived.  Obviously we haven’t yet.  What’s really concerning is why.  The defense looks bad - and that’s enormously problematic.  We have spent large on it and defense is supposed to be McD’s forte.  Failure on that front deserves some major explanation by both him and Beane.

 

On offense the WR corps has been great, pass blocking has been great and Allen has been up and down. But the run blocking and the run game in general has been really bad.  If we are topping out at being a “bottom rung playoff team” would anyone be happy with that?  It’s fair to ask why so many facets of the team are breaking down.  It’s also fair to ask what the plan will be once Allen is off his rookie contract and we have $30M or so less to spend. 

[Billznut]

9 minutes ago, Lfod said:

I'm not that upset. I didn't think the Bills would beat KC so I was just hoping the team didn't get blown out and they show they could put up a fight. 

 

I wasn't thinking world beaters because of the hot start because the defense kept everyone we played in the games when it could of been domination. 

 

I'm leaning twords this not being the year the team makes it to the big show for sure. 

Yeah that’s a safe bet considering there are at least four teams better at a minimum than the Bills in the AFC 

[RichRiderBills]

Just now, Johnnycage46 said:

 

What about against the Titans?  And the Dolphins (remember we had to actually come back to win that game), and the Rams (remember we gave up 29 straight)?  Where do those teams rank, if the Chiefs are the best in the NFL, it should be concerning that the majority of the teams we have played thus far are also scoring at will on us.

They are all good. Phins have put up a lot of points. This defensive problem is all over the NFL. Very few defenses dominating.

 

Frankly, im more worried about the little,breakdowns...like the Tre and Poyer out of bounds dumb penalties.

[Johnnycage46]

4 minutes ago, RichRiderBills said:

They are all good. Phins have put up a lot of points. This defensive problem is all over the NFL. Very few defenses dominating.

 

Frankly, im more worried about the little,breakdowns...like the Tre and Poyer out of bounds dumb penalties.

 

Those were certainly alarming...but be real...the overly concerning issue isn't personal fouls overall...its the fact that this D cannot stop anyone consistently (3rd down D is atrocious).  We have literally no shot against even middling teams unless our O is lights out...which they apparently can't do anymore.  On O we can't run or pass anymore.  Couple that with our god awful D, we are in serious trouble.  Its fun to look at 4-2 and be happy but there are some serious bruisers on our schedule and these last two weeks have been terrifying when thinking of the upcoming gauntlet.

Edited October 20, 2020 by Johnnycage46

[Billever76]

25 minutes ago, Sharky7337 said:

Its the players not having heart and playing poorly more then anything. Firing Frazier won't solve that.

I beg to differ......you are getting beat all game on runs and short to intermediate of the field...cbs giving 10 yard cushions all game and safetys 25 yards deep on the snap...no qb spy,no stacked boxes,no bringing the safetys up to help in run support and short to intermediate passes in the middle?.....mahomes said it in his post game...Bills played the deep ball all game and we took what they gave us....how does stopping lower percentage big play have our coordinator selling out every other way a team can beat you....and how come there was again NO adjustments until the last chiefs few drives?.....come on Its a coaching issue more so than a players problem....your coach should put the platers in the best scheme to win given what the opponent is doing

Edited October 20, 2020 by Billever76

[stuvian]

The millennial whining on this board is unbecoming of Bills fans. We held the Sb champs and best Qb of this era to under 30 and within 9. 

 

I was a season ticket holder for the 6 to 3 hockey game versus the Cleveland Browns under Jauron. The Decade of fail would have had you crying in your diapers.

 

We've had two playoff years under McDermott and you want to fire everyone? 

 

Shame on you! You can turn in your man cards on the way out.

[Sharky7337]

Just now, Billever76 said:

I beg to differ......you are getting beat all game on runs and short to intermediate of the field...cbs giving 10 yard cushions all game and safetys 25 yards deep on the snap...no stacked boxes,no bringing the safetys up to help in run support amd short to intermediate passes in the middle?.....mahomes said it in his post game...Bills played the deep ball all game and we took what they gave us....how does stopping lower percentage big play have our coordinator selling out every other way a team can beat you....and how come there was again NO adjustments until the last chiefs few drives?.....come on Its a coaching issue more so than a players problem....your coach should put the platers in the best scheme to win given what the opponent is doing

This is all happening because players are being beat and out executed and making mental mistakes. 

 

When I see guys giving up on plays, not getting back to the line, half ass tackling, that is on the players.

[Billever76]

1 minute ago, Sharky7337 said:

This is all happening because players are being beat and out executed and making mental mistakes. 

 

When I see guys giving up on plays, not getting back to the line, half ass tackling, that is on the players.

The players have checked out of the conservative frazier defense....Frazier has lost the locker room imo....when white and poyer both have late game frustrating undisciplined play...that tells me all i need to know

[Sharky7337]

2 minutes ago, Billever76 said:

The players have checked out of the conservative frazier defense....Frazier has lost the locker room imo....when white and poyer both have late game frustrating undisciplined play...that tells me all i need to know

I dont agree at all, but as far as coaching I'd sure as hell like to see someone chewing asses out and getting after people in some of these games.

[NewEra]

50 minutes ago, Gene1973 said:

McDermott will never be more than a mediocre coach, he is already severly outclassed by the likes of Vrabel and many other first time young HC's.

Lol....a 4th year head coach is incapable of improving.

 

theres some bad takes on game day losses but this is the worst I’ve seen so far.  

29 minutes ago, McBean said:

Ok, I’ll check myself. Lets do some checking shall we?

 

1. Never beat the Pats

 

2. Hasn’t won a playoff game 

 

3. punted in OT against colts to play for tie

 

4. Conservative as hell and a terrible in game coach 

 

5. defensive guru yet defense is the worst it’s been despite significant capital devoted to that side of ball.

 

6. NOT ONE SIGNATURE WIN IN 4 YEARS

 

7. Opposing teams have rushed for over 200+ yards 3 times on him 

 

Lets build a statue of the guy!

Bills lose a game.  Go crazy and overreact.  Go away

[Trogdor]

8 minutes ago, stuvian said:

The millennial whining on this board is unbecoming of Bills fans. We held the Sb champs and best Qb of this era to under 30 and within 9. 

 

I was a season ticket holder for the 6 to 3 hockey game versus the Cleveland Browns under Jauron. The Decade of fail would have had you crying in your diapers.

 

We've had two playoff years under McDermott and you want to fire everyone? 

 

Shame on you! You can turn in your man cards on the way out.

Millennials like me are in our 30s and this team has been ***** almost the whole time. We used to have the Sabres to fall back on, but that's not happening. Nobody was in diapers for Dick Jauron, you've got the wrong generation. Stop trying to act hard on a message board. 

[Billever76]

1 minute ago, Sharky7337 said:

I dont agree at all, but as far as coaching I'd sure as hell like to see someone chewing asses out and getting after people in some of these games.

Frazier is a weak link...houston game last year sealed who he is to me.....the cover 2 will alwats be exposed by good teams....sure we may whomp on average to bad teams but this defense will never win against playoff caliber teams period....cover 2 is a college level defense...it should not be our base defense...the holes in the zone are too simple to beat for good teams with good olines...and having our safetys in deeper set than even a traditional cover 2 will have us torched in the short and intermediate yards....its a glorified prevent defense and is 🗑

[RichRiderBills]

7 minutes ago, Trogdor said:

Millennials like me are in our 30s and this team has been ***** almost the whole time. We used to have the Sabres to fall back on, but that's not happening. Nobody was in diapers for Dick Jauron, you've got the wrong generation. Stop trying to act hard on a message board. 

Doggone, this is the typical Millennial reaction...wah im in my early 30s...i know so much and I deserve respect ...wah...yes...some Millennials are 35 or so now....in fact,  you guys are the worst. 

[Trogdor]

1 minute ago, RichRiderBills said:

Doggone, this is the typical Millennial reaction...wah im in my early 30s...i know so much and I deserve respect ...wah...yes...some Millennials are 35 or so now....in fact,  you guys are the worst. 

The range is somewhere between 28-40. Please go yell at a cloud, nobody was young for Dick Jauron. It's been bad for 20+ years and you guys want to talk about the glory days. Nobody is crying about respect, just a bunch of old buffalo guys trying to act tough like a shirtless judge. 

[CountDorkula]

1 hour ago, Bangarang said:

I’m getting Marvin Lewis and Bengals vibes

Beat the bad teams, lose against the good ones.

 

Pull a win out of your ass. Finish around .500 yearly. 

 

Take advantage of weak schedules.

Career .500 coach.

 

IF McDermott is Lewis, move on sooner rather than later.

6 minutes ago, RichRiderBills said:

Doggone, this is the typical Millennial reaction...wah im in my early 30s...i know so much and I deserve respect ...wah...yes...some Millennials are 35 or so now....in fact,  you guys are the worst. 

GO watch tapes of Jim Kelly to make yourself feel better.

 

I haven't seen a good football team for more than 2/3 of my entire life.

20 minutes ago, NewEra said:

Lol....a 4th year head coach is incapable of improving.

 

theres some bad takes on game day losses but this is the worst I’ve seen so far.  

Bills lose a game.  Go crazy and overreact.  Go away

Hes not entirely wrong.

 

McD for the culture guy he is great at he is equally as bad at coaching football games.

 

 

 

[RichRiderBills]

2 minutes ago, CountDorkula said:

Beat the bad teams, lose against the good ones.

 

Pull a win out of your ass. Finish around .500 yearly. 

 

Take advantage of weak schedules.

Career .500 coach.

 

IF McDermott is Lewis, move on sooner rather than later.

GO watch tapes of Jim Kelly to make yourself feel better.

 

I haven't seen a good football team for more than 2/3 of my entire life.

Yes, but right now you are slinging nonsense.

 

6 games in...The bills have beat two 2 loss teams and a 3-3 team. 

[BuffaloBills1998]

1 hour ago, Gene1973 said:

McDermott will never be more than a mediocre coach, he is already severly outclassed by the likes of Vrabel and many other first time young HC's.

I’m sorry would you rather we have The Rex and Lynn combo again?? Or how about Saint Moron or Chain Gailey or Dick Jaron or better yet Greg Williams???? I understand being upset but your as blind as a bat if you can’t see how much McD turned this organization around in such a short amount of time.

[Augie]

 

Please post here if you are going to walk away and never come back if we lose to the Jets:

 

 

 

 

 

 

[BuffaloBills1998]

3 minutes ago, Gene1973 said:

At best he has turned it into a higher level of middling IMO. Maybe after 20 years in the basement some fans see middling as acceptable.

Go watch tape of the Rex, Gailey and saint moron era to remind you how bad we really were

[BuffaloBills1998]

11 minutes ago, Gene1973 said:

Trust me, I know how bad the Bills have been. That has nothing to do with how middling McDermott is.

Coach McD is the best we’ve had since Levy and Philips and already everyone hates him. Just beyond stupid. 

[CountDorkula]

2 minutes ago, BuffaloBills1998 said:

Coach McD is the best we’ve had since Levy and Philips and already everyone hates him. Just beyond stupid. 

Compare him to the rest of the league now not the Bills ineptitude of the last 20 years.

 

 

[BuffaloBills1998]

Just now, CountDorkula said:

Compare him to the rest of the league now not the Bills ineptitude of the last 20 years.

 

 

He’s still a great coach and I believe in him as do the players. Right now we could have Anthony Lynn or Adam Gase, Doug Marrone, Bill O’Brien, Dan Quinn, etc. He wouldn’t have gotten an extension if he wasn’t doing his job well. The only coach we have had to get us to the playoffs twice and helped break our 18 year playoff drought

[JohnNord]

1 hour ago, Gene1973 said:

McDermott will never be more than a mediocre coach, he is already severly outclassed by the likes of Vrabel and many other first time young HC's.

Even a Sean McVay?

[Ed_Formerly_of_Roch]

Oliver is playing with a leg still likely not 100%, heard this was the first game without a knee brace.

 

Doubt Edmunds shoulder is OK.  Won't be surprised if a couple weeks after the season ends, you hear he's having surgery one it.  Likely one of these injuries that playing on it won't make it worse, but basically he's playing with one arm.

 

Milano missed three complete games and didn't finish two others, played a total of a little over two whole games.

 

Norman and Wallace have both been active and healthy for about ten minutes this year.

 

H Phillips is about one full year beyond ACL injury

 

By my account we've lost 5 games by starters on defense and 4 on offense.  Did we lose nine games of starters to injury all of last season total?

 

Many teams have lost players to injury,  or even didn't bring back many starters from last season, where as we did, think it was 18 starters total.   So why in particular on the defensive side are we playing so bad, injuries and don't think this team has much depth there to overcome.

 

In the past Beane has been given great credit for finding gems like a Jordan Phillips, this year excluding Williams the tackle, Beane's luck may have run out in that regard.