sullim4 Posted October 14, 2020 Share Posted October 14, 2020 It is just one game... however the defense has been a problem the entire season. Star and Lorax might be a part of it, and losing Milano and White didn't help last night either. But there are a couple things that have emerged as patterns that are worrisome to me. You can wager on almost every play to see Hughes overpursue and end up in the backfield, with the quarterback or running back several yards away from him. Jerry doesn't have the speed anymore to catch up and it's painfully evident that one of his few moves is to just run around the offensive lineman into no mans land. Our linebacking corps, particularly Edmunds, might as well not even be on the field. Poyer and Hyde have been making way too many tackles that Edmunds should be making which is allowing 3-4 yard gains to turn into 7-8 yard chunks. But the intangible thing I don't see on defense this season is hard hitting aggressiveness. We were completely flat footed last night and frankly I haven't seen the defense fired up at all in any of the five games we've seen. The offense, on the other hand, has had a ton of energy and aggressiveness. It was like night and day watching Tennessee hit our guys on offense compared to the anemic attempts we were making at stopping their offense. McD needs to lay into this unit and get some fire in the belly there. White and Milano can only carry us so far. If we want to go deep into the playoffs, Edmunds really needs to step up and start leading the defense. Frasier should only be relieved of his duties if he cannot get that aggressiveness back and/or has a disagreement in philosophy with McD, and I think he at least has the season to do that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SlimShady'sSpaceForce Posted October 14, 2020 Share Posted October 14, 2020 (edited) 3 hours ago, Buffalo716 said: People literally think that he's taken play calling away from him half a dozen times or something But literally on record it's happened once in 4 years that is not what I said. I said enough times Not half a dozen. but spin away To some once “officially” taken over could be enough Edited October 14, 2020 by SlimShady'sSpaceForce Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Buffalo716 Posted October 14, 2020 Share Posted October 14, 2020 2 minutes ago, SlimShady'sSpaceForce said: that is not what I said. I said enough times Not half a dozen. but spin away This is honestly nothing to do with you shady. I have no problem tagging people that I'm talking about lol I've lots of friends who thinks we've pulled play calling duties from Frazier every time the defense has a less than stellar performance. And think McDermott must be calling the plays when they pick it up I do talk football all day with a magnitude of people not just here 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SlimShady'sSpaceForce Posted October 14, 2020 Share Posted October 14, 2020 (edited) 3 minutes ago, Buffalo716 said: This is honestly nothing to do with you shady. I have no problem tagging people that I'm talking about lol I've lots of friends who thinks we've pulled play calling duties from Frazier every time the defense has a less than stellar performance. And think McDermott must be calling the plays when they pick it up I do talk football all day with a magnitude of people not just here apologies then. the declaration was in 2018 but the questions still remain Apologies agin for Buffalo Rumblings as a source https://www.buffalorumblings.com/platform/amp/2020/10/7/21504323/buffalo-bills-defensive-coordinator-leslie-frazier-to-continue-calling-plays Despite a surprisingly rough start for the defense, McDermott gave the nod to Frazier. The Bills rank 20th in opponent yards per game, giving up a whopping 381.2 with a quarter of the regular season in the books. Edited October 14, 2020 by SlimShady'sSpaceForce Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Buffalo716 Posted October 14, 2020 Share Posted October 14, 2020 Just now, SlimShady'sSpaceForce said: apologies then. the declaration was in 2018 but the questions still remain Apologies agin for Buffalo Rumblings aa a source https://www.buffalorumblings.com/platform/amp/2020/10/7/21504323/buffalo-bills-defensive-coordinator-leslie-frazier-to-continue-calling-plays Despite a surprisingly rough start for the defense, McDermott gave the nod to Frazier. The Bills rank 20th in opponent yards per game, giving up a whopping 381.2 with a quarter of the regular season in the books. I have no doubt that McDermott can call a better defensive game than Frazier.. But head coach, coordinator relationships are very unique, and the second there's any strain in them they usually go sour quick McDermott has been good to Frazier since we've been here, and that's probably given Frazier quiet confidence since he got fired as a head coach They both worked and learned under the legend Jim Johnson, and have similar philosophies about the game of football So McDermott definitely has trust in Frazier and his abilities, they don't try putting square pegs into round holes Now they need to take another page out of Jim Johnson's book, and become a little less predictable Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Beast Posted October 14, 2020 Share Posted October 14, 2020 Frazier didn't forget how to gameplan and call defenses this off-season. Firing him would be stupid. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Big Gun Posted October 14, 2020 Share Posted October 14, 2020 37 minutes ago, Beast said: Frazier didn't forget how to gameplan and call defenses this off-season. Firing him would be stupid. Then hes just not very good at it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Marvlevydraftdaygenius Posted October 15, 2020 Share Posted October 15, 2020 21 hours ago, corta765 said: Enough of enough with the defense. I get injuries happen and they were playing short handed. But the overall scope of this season the defense has been an embarrassment and a shell of last year. They look lost regularly, unprepared, and their situational football is atrocious. The amount of 3rd and longs all season that keep being converted is unreal. Right now the Bills are behind KC TEN BAL NE PIT in terms of ranking in conference. All of those teams have defenses that will do better and unless Allen and the offense is literally perfect game in game out we’re toast against the big boys. Fire Frazier let McD take back play calling and send a firm message to the defense this isn’t good enough. I truly don’t believe anything else will send a strong enough message they don’t have the leaders like Zo or Kyle to get these guys in line. He should be fired now this idiot is going to cost us the season. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rc2catch Posted October 15, 2020 Share Posted October 15, 2020 I asked earlier and never really seen anything about it, where the heck is Siran Neal? Was he active? I find it hard to believe as bad as were playing that kid can’t get a rotational snap. I don’t expect him to tackle Henry but his speed seems missed out there Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hapless Bills Fan Posted October 15, 2020 Share Posted October 15, 2020 On 10/13/2020 at 10:01 PM, Buffalo716 said: To be honest our zone defense has been getting picked apart all season Sometimes you need to rely on your guys jamming wide receivers and disrupting there route Press coverage is the easiest skill for an NFL corner, and you have to believe your defensive line will get home within 15 yards The book is out how to attack McDermott's defense in all situations. They're going to need to rescheme some things McDermott's MO for 4 years has been press coverage on 3rd down and long, not just tonight Well, last night the DL sure wasn't getting home I just listened to Frazier's presser. I know one of McD's watchwords is "Calm Breeds Calm", and of course a coach is under no obligation to respond to press questions honestly. But Man, That Guy. If he were a sailboat, his sails be luffing for sure. It's all about, I hate to say it, but kind of making excuses for his players. They're new to playing together they haven't built that awareness of what the guys they're playing with are going to do yet. They're close, they just need a little more time. Ed Oliver - he hurt his knee, he's been playing with a brace, he just needs a little more time to go back to being a difference maker. Edmunds, he's playing his way back from injury, we need him out there as he is but he's not able to bring that physicality yet. He'll get there. Now maybe what he says in the meeting room with the door shut is different. But I hear no accountability from himself - McDermott even implied there were poor defensive play calls ("couple of play calls we'd like back"). McDermott also sounded sickened and even appalled by how the D played, he said he didn't get much sleep and he took it very personally. Daboll has talked about needing to be sure the players are put in the right position with the right plays drawn up to fix the run game. You say they better change up their scheme on D. I hear no awareness of that at all from Frazier. He says they have the right player personnel on the field to get it done. They just need a little more time. Again, he has no obligation to speak the truth to the press. And I take the point that in Game 5, "Don't Over react" He's the coach whose press conferences I personally find most frustrating. He just smiles and says they need a bit more time. Note that I'm not buying into the "must fire Frazier" thing, just airing a bit of frustration. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gugny Posted October 15, 2020 Share Posted October 15, 2020 3 minutes ago, Hapless Bills Fan said: Well, last night the DL sure wasn't getting home I just listened to Frazier's presser. I know one of McD's watchwords is "Calm Breeds Calm", and of course a coach is under no obligation to respond to press questions honestly. But Man, That Guy. It's all about, I hate to say it, but kind of making excuses for his players. They're new to playing together they haven't built that awareness of what the guys they're playing with are going to do yet. They're close, they just need a little more time. Ed Oliver - he hurt his knee, he's been playing with a brace, he just needs a little more time to go back to being a difference maker. Edmunds, he's playing his way back from injury, we need him out there as he is but he's not able to bring that physicality yet. He'll get there. Now maybe what he says in the meeting room with the door shut is different. But I hear no accountability from himself - McDermott even implied there were poor defensive play calls ("couple of play calls we'd like back"). McDermott also sounded sickened and even appalled by how the D played, he said he didn't get much sleep and he took it very personally. Daboll has talked about needing to be sure the players are put in the right position with the right plays drawn up to fix the run game. You say they better change up their scheme on D. I hear no awareness of that at all from Frazier. He says they have the right player personnel on the field to get it done. They just need a little more time. Again, he has no obligation to speak the truth to the press. And I take the point that in Game 5, "Don't Over react" He's the coach whose press conferences I personally find most frustrating. He just smiles and says they need a bit more time. Note that I'm not buying into the "must fire Frazier" thing, just airing a bit of frustration. You mad, bro? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Buffalo Bills Fan Posted October 15, 2020 Share Posted October 15, 2020 2 minutes ago, Hapless Bills Fan said: Well, last night the DL sure wasn't getting home I just listened to Frazier's presser. I know one of McD's watchwords is "Calm Breeds Calm", and of course a coach is under no obligation to respond to press questions honestly. But Man, That Guy. It's all about, I hate to say it, but kind of making excuses for his players. They're new to playing together they haven't built that awareness of what the guys they're playing with are going to do yet. They're close, they just need a little more time. Ed Oliver - he hurt his knee, he's been playing with a brace, he just needs a little more time to go back to being a difference maker. Edmunds, he's playing his way back from injury, we need him out there as he is but he's not able to bring that physicality yet. He'll get there. Now maybe what he says in the meeting room with the door shut is different. But I hear no accountability from himself - McDermott even implied there were poor defensive play calls ("couple of play calls we'd like back"). McDermott also sounded sickened and even appalled by how the D played, he said he didn't get much sleep and he took it very personally. Daboll has talked about needing to be sure the players are put in the right position with the right plays drawn up to fix the run game. You say they better change up their scheme on D. I hear no awareness of that at all from Frazier. He says they have the right player personnel on the field to get it done. They just need a little more time. Again, he has no obligation to speak the truth to the press. He's the coach whose press conferences I personally find most frustrating. He just smiles and says they need a bit more time. Note that I'm not buying into the "must fire Frazier" thing. In a way kind of agree with him and what you said Hapless. Maybe as well it is coach speak and have MeDermott answer the questions? Who knows. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TwistofFate Posted October 15, 2020 Share Posted October 15, 2020 13 minutes ago, Hapless Bills Fan said: Well, last night the DL sure wasn't getting home I just listened to Frazier's presser. I know one of McD's watchwords is "Calm Breeds Calm", and of course a coach is under no obligation to respond to press questions honestly. But Man, That Guy. If he were a sailboat, his sails be luffing for sure. It's all about, I hate to say it, but kind of making excuses for his players. They're new to playing together they haven't built that awareness of what the guys they're playing with are going to do yet. They're close, they just need a little more time. Ed Oliver - he hurt his knee, he's been playing with a brace, he just needs a little more time to go back to being a difference maker. Edmunds, he's playing his way back from injury, we need him out there as he is but he's not able to bring that physicality yet. He'll get there. Now maybe what he says in the meeting room with the door shut is different. But I hear no accountability from himself - McDermott even implied there were poor defensive play calls ("couple of play calls we'd like back"). McDermott also sounded sickened and even appalled by how the D played, he said he didn't get much sleep and he took it very personally. Daboll has talked about needing to be sure the players are put in the right position with the right plays drawn up to fix the run game. You say they better change up their scheme on D. I hear no awareness of that at all from Frazier. He says they have the right player personnel on the field to get it done. They just need a little more time. Again, he has no obligation to speak the truth to the press. And I take the point that in Game 5, "Don't Over react" He's the coach whose press conferences I personally find most frustrating. He just smiles and says they need a bit more time. Note that I'm not buying into the "must fire Frazier" thing, just airing a bit of frustration. I just watched as well and I actually took a lot of positives from it. We have added a lot of new faces sprinkled through the Defense and with virtually no off season its pretty hard to put it all together. Start throwing injuries in the mix and it can get ugly very quickly. Dline play is not what we expected, and we do need a big time edge rusher, but it makes sense when he talked about limiting line changes and keeping the guys who were the best with the most continuity out there. There's no doubt the front and back side are not in sync and playing as a unit. Its clear from last night's game which looked like they weren't even on the same page. The defense hasn't looked the best thus far this year, but last night was horrendous....but, we were missing some pretty important players. Sure, one could argue it's the difference in talent, but I never really considered the personnel groupings as a major issue until it was brought up in Fraziers presser. As far as play calling, there are play calls coaches want back every week. I'm going to wait and see how this team rebounds on Monday Night. All in all, I like Frazier and think he's a pretty darn good coach, last night just wasn't our night...in any phase. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Buffalo716 Posted October 15, 2020 Share Posted October 15, 2020 41 minutes ago, Hapless Bills Fan said: Well, last night the DL sure wasn't getting home I just listened to Frazier's presser. I know one of McD's watchwords is "Calm Breeds Calm", and of course a coach is under no obligation to respond to press questions honestly. But Man, That Guy. If he were a sailboat, his sails be luffing for sure. It's all about, I hate to say it, but kind of making excuses for his players. They're new to playing together they haven't built that awareness of what the guys they're playing with are going to do yet. They're close, they just need a little more time. Ed Oliver - he hurt his knee, he's been playing with a brace, he just needs a little more time to go back to being a difference maker. Edmunds, he's playing his way back from injury, we need him out there as he is but he's not able to bring that physicality yet. He'll get there. Now maybe what he says in the meeting room with the door shut is different. But I hear no accountability from himself - McDermott even implied there were poor defensive play calls ("couple of play calls we'd like back"). McDermott also sounded sickened and even appalled by how the D played, he said he didn't get much sleep and he took it very personally. Daboll has talked about needing to be sure the players are put in the right position with the right plays drawn up to fix the run game. You say they better change up their scheme on D. I hear no awareness of that at all from Frazier. He says they have the right player personnel on the field to get it done. They just need a little more time. Again, he has no obligation to speak the truth to the press. And I take the point that in Game 5, "Don't Over react" He's the coach whose press conferences I personally find most frustrating. He just smiles and says they need a bit more time. Note that I'm not buying into the "must fire Frazier" thing, just airing a bit of frustration. I don't think they necessarily have to change up the scheme The scheme is fine. Their play calling within it has became predictable I think they need to change up their play calling within the scheme to confuse defenses a little bit more because what used to be confusing is now routine to other defenses Instead of calling what they usually do on first down call what they call on third down on first down Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nucci Posted October 15, 2020 Share Posted October 15, 2020 after 1 loss we want coaches fired....Brilliant Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dave mcbride Posted October 15, 2020 Share Posted October 15, 2020 (edited) 13 hours ago, Buffalo716 said: I have no doubt that McDermott can call a better defensive game than Frazier.. But head coach, coordinator relationships are very unique, and the second there's any strain in them they usually go sour quick McDermott has been good to Frazier since we've been here, and that's probably given Frazier quiet confidence since he got fired as a head coach They both worked and learned under the legend Jim Johnson, and have similar philosophies about the game of football So McDermott definitely has trust in Frazier and his abilities, they don't try putting square pegs into round holes Now they need to take another page out of Jim Johnson's book, and become a little less predictable People forget that McDermott had a great D in 2015 in Carolina, but saw that D suffer a big decline in 2016: https://www.pro-football-reference.com/teams/car/2016.htm. Why? The loss of key players (norman, who was elite in 2015) and injuries. Keuchly missed close to half of the season. On D, personnel matters more than anything else by far. 6 hours ago, Buffalo716 said: I don't think they necessarily have to change up the scheme The scheme is fine. Their play calling within it has became predictable I think they need to change up their play calling within the scheme to confuse defenses a little bit more because what used to be confusing is now routine to other defenses Instead of calling what they usually do on first down call what they call on third down on first down I think the top issue by far is talent and the way refs are calling games. The Bills are on pace for their worst defensive season ever, but they are middle of the pack in terms of yards and points allowed. Edited October 15, 2020 by dave mcbride 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hapless Bills Fan Posted October 15, 2020 Share Posted October 15, 2020 15 hours ago, SlimShady'sSpaceForce said: that is not what I said. I said enough times Not half a dozen. but spin away To some once “officially” taken over could be enough OK, so what did YOU mean by "enough times"? If YOU meant "once", why not just say "once"? If you didn't mean "once", what did you mean? C'Mon man, calling someone else out for "spin" when they take a reasonable stab at what you mean by "enough times" whilst omitting to "Man up" and say what you mean, that's weak sauce IMO. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SlimShady'sSpaceForce Posted October 15, 2020 Share Posted October 15, 2020 12 minutes ago, Hapless Bills Fan said: OK, so what did YOU mean by "enough times"? If YOU meant "once", why not just say "once"? If you didn't mean "once", what did you mean? C'Mon man, calling someone else out for "spin" when they take a reasonable stab at what you mean by "enough times" whilst omitting to "Man up" and say what you mean, that's weak sauce IMO. enough times like after every huge blowout ie 18 or more points 2018 Twice is September - Ravens (with Flacco) and Packers, then 3 weeks later blowouts in 3 straight weeks against the Colts (with A Luck), Pats and Bears (with Mitchell Trubisky) 2019 Eagles 2020 Titans Poor half time adjustments. The Bills lost Saq and Phillips. Two good players. Is it really because of their loss and youth? Ergo my faith in Frazier is weak. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheFunPolice Posted October 15, 2020 Share Posted October 15, 2020 Frazier does not need to be fired. The defense had some key guys out and also had a bad game. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bleeding Bills Blue Posted October 15, 2020 Share Posted October 15, 2020 2 hours ago, SlimShady'sSpaceForce said: enough times like after every huge blowout ie 18 or more points 2018 Twice is September - Ravens (with Flacco) and Packers, then 3 weeks later blowouts in 3 straight weeks against the Colts (with A Luck), Pats and Bears (with Mitchell Trubisky) 2019 Eagles 2020 Titans Poor half time adjustments. The Bills lost Saq and Phillips. Two good players. Is it really because of their loss and youth? Ergo my faith in Frazier is weak. Well the 2018 team stunk. Peterman and Derek Anderson started in 4 of those blowouts. The packers game was an early Allen shellshock game where he just got sacked a ton. 2019 Eagles - they ran the ball all day in a windy game. This year - the dline is clearly not gelled yet. I don't know that you just start firing people at 4-1 though. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jkeerie Posted October 15, 2020 Share Posted October 15, 2020 In Frazier's presser, he mentioned that they are going to likely go with less rotation on the D line and just play the best players. That's the only way that D line can gel...through continuity. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SlimShady'sSpaceForce Posted October 15, 2020 Share Posted October 15, 2020 (edited) 41 minutes ago, dneveu said: Well the 2018 team stunk. Peterman and Derek Anderson started in 4 of those blowouts. The packers game was an early Allen shellshock game where he just got sacked a ton. 2019 Eagles - they ran the ball all day in a windy game. This year - the dline is clearly not gelled yet. I don't know that you just start firing people at 4-1 though. Defense in 2018 was #18 overall. #2 it total yards #1 in passing yards #16 in rushing yards https://www.pro-football-reference.com/years/2018/opp.htm those blowouts stick out as bad play calling the 2017 team was in the playoffs. the D couldn't have been that bad I mean, really stunk would have been #28 or below. Edited October 15, 2020 by SlimShady'sSpaceForce Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nextmanup Posted October 15, 2020 Share Posted October 15, 2020 On 10/13/2020 at 10:55 PM, Back the Blue said: Not going to happen. 0.0% chance. Seriously? Zero? I would say it's something more than zero. Maybe not much more, but more. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DCofNC Posted October 15, 2020 Share Posted October 15, 2020 On 10/13/2020 at 11:00 PM, ChanticleerBillsFan said: Do we think the defense was concerned Tannehill could’ve been exposed to COVID because nobody broke 6 foot protocol. You win. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
C.Biscuit97 Posted October 15, 2020 Share Posted October 15, 2020 Skip Bayless thinks this is a hot take. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nihilarian Posted October 15, 2020 Share Posted October 15, 2020 You know what you get when the opposing team faces an offense that scores around 30 points each game? 27-31-35-30... They know that they will need to score a lot of points to keep up so they usually go all out on offense to do just that. In the case of the Titans, they just had the oblong spheroid bounce their way this game and got rolling. Derrick Henry 19 carries for 57 yards, a 3.0 YPC AVG. So the Bills pretty much contained Henry. It was that play action with Tallywhacker playing pretty well that got them. Tally also did his Josh Allen impression with 4 runs for 42 yards and a TD. This Titans game was more about an entire team loss, penalties on both sides of the ball. Allen with two picks and one was clearly his fault. Singletary got stuffed. The game plan on offense didn't work. The Titans were fired up to play an undefeated team and after two weeks of down time were rested and ready. Buffalo looked anything but ready to play the Titans. I think they were looking past Tennessee to the Chiefs and got sucker punched. Nobody fires their DC after five games with many injuries to key players. Both starting corners out along with Milano. Several defensive players nursing injuries. One word...relax! 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
boater Posted October 15, 2020 Share Posted October 15, 2020 He shouldn't be fired. Related: his likelihood of being an Head Coach candidate is diminishing rapidly. That will greatly disappoint the fire him crowd--we won't get rid of him by having him hired away. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bleeding Bills Blue Posted October 15, 2020 Share Posted October 15, 2020 1 hour ago, SlimShady'sSpaceForce said: Defense in 2018 was #18 overall. #2 it total yards #1 in passing yards #16 in rushing yards https://www.pro-football-reference.com/years/2018/opp.htm those blowouts stick out as bad play calling the 2017 team was in the playoffs. the D couldn't have been that bad I mean, really stunk would have been #28 or below. Well the offense was 30th in points, yards, and turnovers. In the 5 mentioned blowouts the team turned the ball over 16 times. I'm not so sure the 2018 defensive playcalling was responsible for these 2018 blowouts. Week 1 Baltimore - the offense had 10 first downs and 2 turnovers. Peterman had 2 picks, and Bojo dropped a punt that they recovered in the redzone. I don't know a defense that can help that inept of an offense. Week 4 GB - 11 First downs, 145 yards, 3 turnovers, 0 points. They literally couldn't have won this game since the offense scored no points I don't know that I need to go on tbh. The offense scored 23 total points in the 5 2018 blowouts. That's less than 5 points per game. They almost averaged the same number of turnovers as points. I'm just saying - there weren't halftime adjustments to be made in these 2018 blowouts. The team was bad - they were going to lose those games. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thurman#1 Posted October 16, 2020 Share Posted October 16, 2020 (edited) 16 hours ago, SlimShady'sSpaceForce said: enough times like after every huge blowout ie 18 or more points 2018 Twice is September - Ravens (with Flacco) and Packers, then 3 weeks later blowouts in 3 straight weeks against the Colts (with A Luck), Pats and Bears (with Mitchell Trubisky) 2019 Eagles 2020 Titans Poor half time adjustments. The Bills lost Saq and Phillips. Two good players. Is it really because of their loss and youth? Ergo my faith in Frazier is weak. Blowouts are not the responsibility of the defense. Blowouts only happen when the offense doesn't score, so the offense has a great deal of the responsibility. The whole team is responsible for a blowout, and this one was even much more so than usual. The Titans had three drive starts inside the Bills 20. THREE!!! And another on the 30. The defense wasn't good. But to put all the blame on them for the blowout ... shows only that you're missing the point. Edited October 16, 2020 by Thurman#1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Punching Bag Posted October 16, 2020 Share Posted October 16, 2020 On 10/13/2020 at 10:52 PM, corta765 said: Fire Frazier let McD take back play calling and send a firm message to the defense this isn’t good enough. I truly don’t believe anything else will send a strong enough message they don’t have the leaders like Zo or Kyle to get these guys in line. When you can afford to become owner of Bills and decide to become a Jerry Jones I'll listen to "MUST". When front office listen to fans is when they MUST be fired. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thurman#1 Posted October 16, 2020 Share Posted October 16, 2020 12 hours ago, SlimShady'sSpaceForce said: Defense in 2018 was #18 overall. #2 it total yards #1 in passing yards #16 in rushing yards https://www.pro-football-reference.com/years/2018/opp.htm those blowouts stick out as bad play calling the 2017 team was in the playoffs. the D couldn't have been that bad I mean, really stunk would have been #28 or below. That's number two overall. Defenses are ranked by total yards allowed, and for good reason. The defense's responsibility for total yards is around 95%. A few defenses have to defend against fewer or more drives, so that's a factor, but Whereas points allowed measures the rest of the team a great deal more. Individual drives are massively affected by drive start. That doesn't matter in terms of yards because overall average drive start is greatly similar for every team over the course of the season. But expected scoring isn't affected nearly as much by average start. Probably something on the order of 30% of the responsibility for scoring allowed rests on the offense and STs. Yards has a major effect on field position (duh), for both the offense and defense. Every drive is important, not just scoring drives. Average yards per drive is an even better look at defensive performance. 12 hours ago, Nextmanup said: Seriously? Zero? I would say it's something more than zero. Maybe not much more, but more. This is true. He could be caught standing over a dead body holding a bloody knife and screaming, "I told you I'd kill you, and you didn't believe me. What do you think now that I stabbed you over and over again until you died?" Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thurman#1 Posted October 16, 2020 Share Posted October 16, 2020 On 10/15/2020 at 7:36 AM, High Football IQ said: Not sure if it's been posted yet but the Bills are on pace to give up the most yards and points in franchise history. I know they have had rough patches and slow starts under this regime but the fact of the matter is this is completely unacceptable and at what point do you look at Beane and McDermott and blame accordingly, especially when they insist on keep signing players and coaches from Carolina. Did both tout Eric Washington as the best D-line coach in the league? That sure is working out and the two players he brought with him are worthless and massive downgrades from Phillips/Lawson. How many other teams are on the same kind of pace in this season when the NFL is scoring far more points and churning out far more yards than ever before? And how much more likely is that to happen when your team is scoring a ton of points and other teams fall behind? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Punching Bag Posted October 16, 2020 Share Posted October 16, 2020 9 minutes ago, Thurman#1 said: How many other teams are on the same kind of pace in this season when the NFL is scoring far more points and churning out far more yards than ever before? And how much more likely is that to happen when your team is scoring a ton of points and other teams fall behind? Don't confuse him with facts. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CLTbills Posted October 16, 2020 Share Posted October 16, 2020 20 hours ago, SlimShady'sSpaceForce said: enough times like after every huge blowout ie 18 or more points 2018 Twice is September - Ravens (with Flacco) and Packers, then 3 weeks later blowouts in 3 straight weeks against the Colts (with A Luck), Pats and Bears (with Mitchell Trubisky) 2019 Eagles 2020 Titans Poor half time adjustments. The Bills lost Saq and Phillips. Two good players. Is it really because of their loss and youth? Ergo my faith in Frazier is weak. You're using 2018 as any type of gauge? We were an overall bad team in 2018 with a gazillion dollars in dead cap space. I would write off anything that happened in 2018, as that was our "gutted" year of the rebuild. So that leaves one game last year, and one game this year. And the Titans game - yeah, we lost by a bunch. But find me a d-coordinator whose defense isnt going to give up a bunch of points with 3 drives starting INSIDE THEIR OWN RED ZONE and a fourth that started at the 30. Could they have played better? Absolutely. But is the world falling because of "points"? No, because there's a lot more that goes into it than that. The offense and special teams gave them horrific field position all night, and that was still a 11-point game midway through the fourth quarter. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Punching Bag Posted October 16, 2020 Share Posted October 16, 2020 It was clear that the Bills were "off" that game. I think the constant reminder about members of Titans with COVID and constant changes including NFL who claimed they were going to get tough but did opposite giving Titans members time to get off list disrupted their rhythm. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Old Man Posted October 16, 2020 Share Posted October 16, 2020 Frazier is a very good defensive coordinator. I support him. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Call_Of_Ktulu Posted October 16, 2020 Share Posted October 16, 2020 I’m a fan of Frazier but his play calling has been a little suspect first qtr of this season. If KC just plows through us with zero resistance then I might start putting Frazier under the magnifying glass. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SlimShady'sSpaceForce Posted October 16, 2020 Share Posted October 16, 2020 2 hours ago, CLTbills said: You're using 2018 as any type of gauge? We were an overall bad team in 2018 with a gazillion dollars in dead cap space. I would write off anything that happened in 2018, as that was our "gutted" year of the rebuild. So that leaves one game last year, and one game this year. And the Titans game - yeah, we lost by a bunch. But find me a d-coordinator whose defense isnt going to give up a bunch of points with 3 drives starting INSIDE THEIR OWN RED ZONE and a fourth that started at the 30. Could they have played better? Absolutely. But is the world falling because of "points"? No, because there's a lot more that goes into it than that. The offense and special teams gave them horrific field position all night, and that was still a 11-point game midway through the fourth quarter. I was using historical data to support a theory. go back and read my posts. I throw shade on Frazier’s abilities I don’t believe I directly said he should be fired. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CLTbills Posted October 16, 2020 Share Posted October 16, 2020 11 minutes ago, SlimShady'sSpaceForce said: I was using historical data to support a theory. go back and read my posts. I throw shade on Frazier’s abilities I don’t believe I directly said he should be fired. I never once stated in my post that you said he should be fired. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SlimShady'sSpaceForce Posted October 16, 2020 Share Posted October 16, 2020 16 minutes ago, CLTbills said: I never once stated in my post that you said he should be fired. it was more to some others I chose not to reply to. my bad Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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