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9 minutes ago, Coach Tuesday said:


The best quote I’ve heard is, “Professional sports are a reward for a functioning society.” 
 

I get that you wish you could be entertained without having to hear or think about what’s going on in the world.  I’m sorry it doesn’t work that way.  The people who are doing the entertaining want to be able to sleep in their beds and drive to their jobs without being shot and suffocated.  Last night they picked a very mild and inoffensive way of expressing that.  Sh— is messed up in this country almost beyond repair right now and tuning it out is a luxury we can’t afford and don’t deserve.


There are plenty of non functioning societies that have professional sports. 

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I just have an issue of adding politics to a sporting event...  When I watch sports it's to escape all the other crap going on,  I just don't feel its the time or place..  Play the damn game collect your check and if you want to be a person for change afterwords on your own time great more power to you.   Simple fact of the matter is I will just tune out the beginning of games, and if it keeps up the NFL will loose me as a fan. I'm trying to watch a sporting event I'm not asking for your political views.  

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3 minutes ago, gordong said:

I just have an issue of adding politics to a sporting event...  When I watch sports it's to escape all the other crap going on,  I just don't feel its the time or place..  Play the damn game collect your check and if you want to be a person for change afterwords on your own time great more power to you.   Simple fact of the matter is I will just tune out the beginning of games, and if it keeps up the NFL will loose me as a fan. I'm trying to watch a sporting event I'm not asking for your political views.  

 

What I' ve been trying to say all along. Sports are a getaway for me. For three hours I can just focus on something I love.

 

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I couldn't care less about the reason for any protests. I also really don't give an F that they are using their stage and time to do it. 

It's the same thing with going to a concert and hearing my favorite musicians talk about politics etc. A few minutes doesn't ruin the other 2-3 hours for me and I realize that it's a smart move to use their position like they are...heck, I'd probably do the same thing.

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43 minutes ago, gordong said:

I just have an issue of adding politics to a sporting event...  When I watch sports it's to escape all the other crap going on,  I just don't feel its the time or place..  Play the damn game collect your check and if you want to be a person for change afterwords on your own time great more power to you.   Simple fact of the matter is I will just tune out the beginning of games, and if it keeps up the NFL will loose me as a fan. I'm trying to watch a sporting event I'm not asking for your political views.  


Shut up and play!

 

We’ll be sad to “loose” you, Gordon.

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2 hours ago, White Linen said:

 

I think it's political if politicians intertwine themselves in the issue - and they have.  They made it political not the people. 

 

 

If anything politicians wanted to intertwine themselves in is political in your view ... there's nothing that isn't. Politiicians will get involved with anything that serves their temporary interests. From favorite songs to sports teams ... there is nothing they won't involve themselves in if they think it'll work for them.

 

This issue shouldn't be looked at as a political one. But it will be, because some think it'll help them get re-elected or forward their agendas.

2 hours ago, RiotAct said:

seriously?  🙄

 

I’m sure their lives are in grave danger now.

 

 

Nah, if they're young and healthy and catch it, there or anywhere, they're probably only endangering the lives of others they will pass it on to.

 

So, yes, seriously.

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2 hours ago, gordong said:

I just have an issue of adding politics to a sporting event...  When I watch sports it's to escape all the other crap going on,  I just don't feel its the time or place..  Play the damn game collect your check and if you want to be a person for change afterwords on your own time great more power to you.   Simple fact of the matter is I will just tune out the beginning of games, and if it keeps up the NFL will loose me as a fan. I'm trying to watch a sporting event I'm not asking for your political views.  

they did play the damn game...and it's lose, not loose

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4 hours ago, Bubba Gump said:

This is the United States, some will agree, some will disagree. Get used to it. This is the new normal. I myself wouldn't cheer or boo. Just keep to myself. I wanna watch some football without all the political BS.

That’s the way it’s supposed to be, free thought and expression but it’s a whole different beast when you are told you HAVE to think a certain way or else. That it happening from the far left and BLM movement and it’s as un-American as it gets, but that’s the point for these radicals isn’t it? Paint everything as a systemic issue in a way that’s impossible to refute because it’s so general and if you don’t agree you are painted as racist. That’s why people are booing, they don’t want to be told they have to think a certain way, especially when the movement obviously manufactured on false pretenses. The mental gymnastics people do is amazing, just to support something that sounds good but in practice is looking to burn down the system. I stand with those that boo for that reason. Get politics out of sports, it’s ruining it! If you have to have politics in sports, at least have something that is a genuine concern that is backed by actual facts that show what they are saying. 

4 hours ago, Bubba Gump said:

 

You have no clue what I think. I'm just there to watch football. I've protested plenty of things in Rochester, so get off your high horse and don't tell me I'm the problem. Talk about ignorance. This is an everything problem and politics are just one of them. Open your eyes.

 

And how can you say human injustice isn't political? The Rochester Police Dept and City Hall kept the murder of Daniel Prude a secret for six months until it was finally leaked out a week ago. Yeah, not political at all. 

They try to tell you how you should think...

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5 hours ago, Penfield45 said:

 

 

Can't say I'm surprised 

 

 

 

No one is forcing them to attend games or watch,  

JMO 

4 hours ago, C.Biscuit97 said:

Because they are racist and it’s the exact reason the players started kneeing in the first place.  
 

it was never about the anthem.  There are a certain group who are threaten by equality.  
 

it’s absolutely embarrassing for this country that equality is a “political” issue for some.  

 

4 hours ago, C.Biscuit97 said:

I love that a  draft dodger who’s coward family never served a day in the military is the conscience of what is patriotic to some. 

 

Damn, we agree on something 

5 hours ago, Bubba Gump said:

This is the United States, some will agree, some will disagree. Get used to it. This is the new normal. I myself wouldn't cheer or boo. Just keep to myself. I wanna watch some football without all the political BS.

 

Let the Mods sort it out.

 

They know how to do their job.  

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4 hours ago, C.Biscuit97 said:

Because they are racist and it’s the exact reason the players started kneeing in the first place.  
 

it was never about the anthem.  There are a certain group who are threaten by equality.  
 

it’s absolutely embarrassing for this country that equality is a “political” issue for some.  

So you know all of their minds? Could it be they see right through the virtue signaling?  Could it be that they simply do not want politics in their sports as it’s supposed to be a relief?  Could it be they see the BLM movement for what it is? Could it be any other reason than simply stating “racism”?  That’s lazy. Frankly, that line of thinking doesn’t allow us to get to the root of problems, everything is racist and the only way to fix it is to fix racism. What if it isn’t racism (as it usually isn’t) and there is an easy fix to the issue that would make everyone on all sides happy? Now, what if that fix itself is seen as “whiteness” and is looked at as racist? Well can’t fix the problem now, it’s racist. It self perpetuates in perpetuity never being fixed. If it’s clear racism, do something about it, I agree, but it’s usually not the explanation. Your view point offers no nuance and simply paints people with different views as “the other”. That will never work for civil discourse and is exactly why this country is so divided today. 
 

They are railing against the divisive nature of the radical left movement which includes BLM. Some may simply be racist (of that is the case then they are POS’s), but I’ll bet the large group is simply tired of the rhetoric. 
 

Also, equality in the way you mean it, wealth distribution, is socialism/eventual communism. The country never has and never will want it. That will always be a losing battle.  It’s also a call for equality of outcomes which has never been promised, only equality of opportunity. That is what this country is founded on and is what has made this country the greatest in the world. It’s created jobs and wealth for, yes, even minorities. Equality is a nice word for a terrible idea! It will only lead to more discrimination when we are told you have to be a certain color, sex, race to be hired to meet an arbitrary quota.

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2 hours ago, Coach Tuesday said:


Shut up and play!

 

We’ll be sad to “loose” you, Gordon.

It’s like you think that they are being silenced. He said they can certainly do it on their own time. They are getting paid a lot more than most of us ever will see by far, they are not oppressed. 

2 hours ago, MJS said:

I thought it was cheesy.

 

Go ahead. Call me a racist or whatever.

Oh they will, you’re not thinking right and have to be shamed, re-educated, and silenced until you think the way they do.

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2 hours ago, Thurman#1 said:

 

 

If anything politicians wanted to intertwine themselves in is political in your view ... there's nothing that isn't. Politiicians will get involved with anything that serves their temporary interests. From favorite songs to sports teams ... there is nothing they won't involve themselves in if they think it'll work for them.

 

This issue shouldn't be looked at as a political one. But it will be, because some think it'll help them get re-elected or forward their agendas.

 

 

Nah, if they're young and healthy and catch it, there or anywhere, they're probably only endangering the lives of others they will pass it on to.

 

So, yes, seriously.

So you’re saying it is being made political? Affirming what people are saying? Well we agree then. 
 

COVID, another political tool. It’s something that’s real, though it’s not as deadly as thought and it kills mostly those who are above the national average life expectancy, but the spin the politicians and news media put on it is a “hoax” to instill fear. Fear makes it easy to control you. That said, make your own decisions, if you feel as though it’s too risky for you, don’t go to the game. Don’t disparage those who want to go, it’s their right and they’ve assessed the threat differently than you. So be it! 

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I was just watching "America in Color" series. Basically colorized films from each decade. The 50s and 60s episodes were great. Made me realize how far we've come, but also sad because we've not come far enough. When racist idiots boo people wanting to show they are united, despite skin color, how they worship, etc., I have no idea how that can be a bad thing. That is what America is all about. It shows lots of ignorance. Ignorance, prejudice and fear walk hand in hand.

 

Would they have still booed if all the players were white? If they were all black? What if there was a confederate flag?

 

There are still plenty of people threatened when people speak of others being treated equally. My Italian forefathers faced it when they came to the US. George Eastman wouldn't hir italians. How quickly people forget. 

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2 hours ago, BillsToast said:

 

Yup shut up and play. We're not there to listen to an ignorant athlete lecture us on complex political issues. 

It’s so strange that people take celebrities words for things seemingly just because of their celebrity status. Why does that make them more qualified to talk on issues? I’m sure there are intelligent well-learned individuals within the ranks and maybe they are worth hearing out, but by in large, it seems that celebrities have a superficial understanding of things. Perfect example is Cardi B. See Cardi B’s interview with Biden. Painful and obvious pandering of the highest order. 

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3 minutes ago, HamSandwhich said:

So you’re saying it is being made political? Affirming what people are saying? Well we agree then. 
 

COVID, another political tool. It’s something real, it’s not as deadly as thought and it kills mostly those who are above the national average life expectancy, but the spin the politicians and news media put on it is a “hoax” to instill fear. Fear makes it easy to control you. That said, make your own decisions, if you feel as though it’s too risky for you, don’t go to the game. Don’t disparage those who want to go, it’s their right and they’ve assessed the threat differently than you. So be it! 

 

Your comments on COVID are incorrect. It is just as deadly as we thought, if not more. It is not a political tool to control you. Take off your tinfoil hat. I have friends in the trucking business who had to send freezer trucks to NYC to handle the excess bodies the morgues couldn't take. Mitigation (masks) and treatment efforts (plasma, anti-virals, steroids) have improved treatment, but people face lasting damage from the disease. 

 

If you don't believe me, go to the CDC web site and look at total deaths for our country and compare 2019 to 2020. Striking.

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2 minutes ago, todd said:

I was just watching "America in Color" series. Basically colorized films from each decade. The 50s and 60s episodes were great. Made me realize how far we've come, but also sad because we've not come far enough. When racist idiots boo people wanting to show they are united, despite skin color, how they worship, etc., I have no idea how that can be a bad thing. That is what America is all about. It shows lots of ignorance. Ignorance, prejudice and fear walk hand in hand.

 

Would they have still booed if all the players were white? If they were all black? What if there was a confederate flag?

 

There are still plenty of people threatened when people speak of others being treated equally. My Italian forefathers faced it when they came to the US. George Eastman wouldn't hir italians. How quickly people forget. 

That is a great series, I really enjoy them. 
 

the crux Issue of your thought process is one that many seem to make here. It’s coming from an empathetic space and I understand it. However, you are assuming a lot here. You’re assuming you know the mind of everyone who’s has boo’d. I get it, it’s just easier to generalize and create an “other”, but id be willing to bet its more nuanced than that. If it’s purely racist intent then I completely disavow those people and agree with you, but it’s almost assuredly not the reason why each person is booing. Rather than assigning malicious intent to our fellow man, the country as a whole really needs to give the benefit of the doubt and assume positive pretenses and then clarify with those people to understand their viewpoint rather than judge a book by its cover as is so predominant today. Only then can we really understand each other and root out individual racist acts.

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4 minutes ago, HamSandwhich said:

That is a great series, I really enjoy them. 
 

the crux Issue of your thought process is one that many seem to make here. It’s coming from an empathetic space and I understand it. However, you are assuming a lot here. You’re assuming you know the mind of everyone who’s has boo’d. I get it, it’s just easier to generalize and create an “other”, but id be willing to bet its more nuanced than that. If it’s purely racist intent then I completely disavow those people and agree with you, but it’s almost assuredly not the reason why each person is booing. Rather than assigning malicious intent to our fellow man, the country as a whole really needs to give the benefit of the doubt and assume positive pretenses and then clarify with those people to understand their viewpoint rather than judge a book by its cover as is so predominant today. Only then can we really understand each other and root out individual racist acts.

 

I've been around long enough to see that there is an undercurrent racist intent, especially in the south. Actually spent lots of time in Hendersonville near you, and I'm disgusted by the incredible number of "Bless Your Heart" racists.

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17 minutes ago, todd said:

 

Your comments on COVID are incorrect. It is just as deadly as we thought, if not more. It is not a political tool to control you. Take off your tinfoil hat. I have friends in the trucking business who had to send freezer trucks to NYC to handle the excess bodies the morgues couldn't take. Mitigation (masks) and treatment efforts (plasma, anti-virals, steroids) have improved treatment, but people face lasting damage from the disease. 

 

If you don't believe me, go to the CDC web site and look at total deaths for our country and compare 2019 to 2020. Striking.

If you’re making that claim, it’s on you to prove it. In order to believe this, you’re going to have to completely disregard research over decades and decades that state positive reinforcement and incentives create predictable and repeated behavior. So if we give positive reinforcement to say that if you label a person as dying from COVID then you will give them extra money, in the middle of an economic shut down no less, don’t you think they are going to be incentivized to call as much as possible as COVID deaths? Extrapolate logically here, no political bent needed.

 

i can’t speak to your anecdotal information, I will say this. There are around 200k confirmed deaths (debatable but I digress) in the country as a whole. In a country of around 350 million, does that sound like a number that overwhelms? Again, extrapolate logically, don’t listen to political pundits. 
 

If it was so bad, why was it that ventilators were not needed nearly as badly as Cuomo was crying for? They had to redirect the vents. Do you remember that political football? It’s all political! 

8 minutes ago, todd said:

 

I've been around long enough to see that there is an undercurrent racist intent, especially in the south. Actually spent lots of time in Hendersonville near you, and I'm disgusted by the incredible number of "Bless Your Heart" racists.

That is your own opinion. You disagree with their viewpoint and you assign the fact that they are racist. I live in A rural NC town  at this juncture while building a house outside of Asheville because Asheville has lost its mind. They’ve approved reparations, Green new deal, defunding the police and I won’t be around to see the city fall apart like Portland or to have to pay the over inflated taxes. I’ll live amongst those so-called racists as you call them, in the rural areas over that type of craziness.

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6 hours ago, CaptnCoke11 said:

Sad world we live in where rapists and criminals are honored and memorialized 

 

People who make (and actually believe) comments like this are what make our country an embarrassment.

 

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9 minutes ago, HamSandwhich said:

If you’re making that claim, it’s on you to prove it. In order to believe this, you’re going to have to completely disregard research over decades and decades that state positive reinforcement and incentives create predictable and repeated behavior. So if we give positive reinforcement to say that if you label a person as dying from COVID then you will give them extra money, in the middle of an economic shut down no less, don’t you think they are going to be incentivized to call as much as possible as COVID deaths? Extrapolate logically here, no political bent needed.

 

i can’t speak to your anecdotal information, I will say this. There are around 200k confirmed deaths (debatable but I digress) in the country as a whole. In a country of around 350 million, does that sound like a number that overwhelms? Again, extrapolate logically, don’t listen to political pundits. 
 

If it was so bad, why was it that ventilators were not needed nearly as badly as Cuomo was crying for? They had to redirect the vents. Do you remember that political football? It’s all political! 

That is your own opinion. You disagree with their viewpoint and you assign the fact that they are racist. I live in A rural NC town  at this juncture while building a house outside of Asheville because Asheville has lost its mind. They’ve approved reparations, Green new deal, defunding the police and I won’t be around to see the city fall apart like Portland or to have to pay the over inflated taxes. I’ll live amongst those so-called racists as you call them, in the rural areas over that type of craziness.

200,000 deaths in our country from one agent is a huge number, and it is not over yet.  for perspective, in 2019 there were about 650k deaths from heart disease in the US; Covid will likely be at least half of that.  With heart disease we have hospitals dedicated just to cardiovascular conditions, we have cardiologists by the score, we have statins and diets and on and on to fight the war against heart disease.

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6 hours ago, Reader said:

There might be a correlation between those who would attend a Missouri football game in a pandemic and a certain stance on social issues such as BLM.

The type of person that paints with broad strokes like this right here usually isn’t any better than the people they are trying to condemn. Nice work, champ 🙄

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1 minute ago, oldmanfan said:

200,000 deaths in our country from one agent is a huge number, and it is not over yet.  for perspective, in 2019 there were about 650k deaths from heart disease in the US; Covid will likely be at least half of that.  With heart disease we have hospitals dedicated just to cardiovascular conditions, we have cardiologists by the score, we have statins and diets and on and on to fight the war against heart disease.

It is not a huge number, you have to take the passage of time into account too. If you believe it’s a large number. then you also have to believe that number is credible given the overwhelming incentive to inflate those numbers for financial gain. We are treating the deaths of COVID patients completely differently from other conditions and it’s artificially causing that number to change, to an inflated number in my opinion. There will be revision to this number down the road when it’s not politically expedient and it will be readily apparent what happened to those who are paying attention. 
 

All this said, I shouldn’t have waded into the COVID discussion, everyone is so politically entrenched it is beating a dead horse. I won’t respond to COVID issues as we are getting off the original topic at this time. 
 

Given your stance on COVID, I’ll venture to guess you’re a BLM supporter? 

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6 hours ago, Bubba Gump said:

This is the United States, some will agree, some will disagree. Get used to it. This is the new normal. I myself wouldn't cheer or boo. Just keep to myself. I wanna watch some football without all the political BS.

I believe that's what the booing is about.  Sports are an escape from all that stuff.  People who really believe in a cause sacrifice for that cause.  You can't say you are fighting poverty and Drive a Ferrari.  At least I hope that is why people are upset with this.

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Just now, The Firebaugh Kid said:

I agree, I found it much much unifying. 

 

How do you reconcile a unifying moment just after they had a segregated national anthem? The National Anthem is supposed to be for all Americans, not one group or another. They felt the need to have an African National anthem to make us less unified? 

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Some are very offended by players kneeling as a protest against systemic racial inequality in matters of policing and criminal justice.  Some are very offended by police kneeling on a handcuffed person's neck for 6 minutes until he died.  The majority of us are somewhere in the middle of the spectrum of being offended.  Offended to one way or another but not enough so to actively protest or triggered enough to assail those who do. 

 

Our country has only been the best version of itself when we collectively care about offering all its citizens "liberty and justice" in equal measure.   But, our history tells us this has always been a struggle.

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2 minutes ago, HamSandwhich said:

How do you reconcile a unifying moment just after they had a segregated national anthem? The National Anthem is supposed to be for all Americans, not one group or another. They felt the need to have an African National anthem to make us less unified? 

The Dolphins agree and that is why they are going to skip both anthems altogether:

https://www.espn.com/nfl/story/_/id/29855411/miami-dolphins-discontent-empty-gestures-stay-anthems

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3 minutes ago, HamSandwhich said:

It is not a huge number, you have to take the passage of time into account too. If you believe it’s a large number. then you also have to believe that number is credible given the overwhelming incentive to inflate those numbers for financial gain. We are treating the deaths of COVID patients completely differently from other conditions and it’s artificially causing that number to change, to an inflated number in my opinion. There will be revision to this number down the road when it’s not politically expedient and it will be readily apparent what happened to those who are paying attention. 
 

All this said, I shouldn’t have waded into the COVID discussion, everyone is so politically entrenched it is beating a dead horse. I won’t respond to COVID issues as we are getting off the original topic at this time. 
 

Given your stance on COVID, I’ll venture to guess you’re a BLM supporter? 

Nice deflection on the BLM thing.  I’m sorry you cannot accept facts about science and medicine.  The deaths of almost 200k Americans and millions of people around the world defines a pandemic.  You apparently are hanging onto the myth of the 6k deaths with only Covid on the death certificate whereas anyone with a smattering of medical knowledge understands it exacerbates underlying conditions.  

 

As for the events if last night, the players are protesting and asking for changes in our country that have been needed since the Constitution was first enacted.  I am mature enough to be able to recognize their protest, agree with parts and disagree with parts (such as looting and violence associated with both right and left fringe groups), and not think that a few minutes of protests aimed at opening people’s eyes has to detract from my enjoyment of the game itself.

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Wait wait wait- I’m a white male who doesn’t agree with the mainstream media and leftist political landscapes description of race, policing, and social injustice in America - can one of you fine erudite with the logical and detailed approaches to this conversation that don’t rely on emotion at all give me my racist I badge now? I have just the spot for it on my vest next to my “I kill kittens” badge. 
 

 

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1 minute ago, JESSEFEFFER said:

Some are very offended by players kneeling as a protest against systemic racial inequality in matters of policing and criminal justice.  Some are very offended by police kneeling on a handcuffed person's neck for 6 minutes until he died.  The majority of us are somewhere in the middle of the spectrum of being offended.  Offended to one way or another but not enough so to actively protest or triggered enough to assail those who do. 

 

Our country has only been the best version of itself when we collectively care about offering all its citizens "liberty and justice" in equal measure.   But, our history tells us this has always been a struggle.

Eloquently stated, however, I wouldn’t call myself offended by much if anything. You also state that our history tells us it’s a struggle and I agree it has been in the past. Have we not gotten better and better as the years have passed? It’s as if people think that history means it has to presently be the same? It is my learned opinion that there is no systemic racism remaining, rather sparse individual racism that needs to be rooted out. We’ve come very far to get to this point but now the radicals want to burn it to the ground, all the progress we worked for. All with mostly illegitimate gripes based on feelings rather than actual facts and statistics that don’t back up their grievances. 
 

So can a country ever not be racist? Or is it that the term has become so amorphous we wouldn’t even know what a non-racist country is would look like? Everything is racist these days, and that’s by design, license to burn it all to the ground. 

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