Locomark Posted August 13, 2020 Share Posted August 13, 2020 Will Bass win the job? How will the team simulate games / pressure in a way that they can comfortably decide to go with the rookie ? Do they toss Bass on the practice squad ? If they pick Bass, do they try to keep Hauschka on the practice squad and protect him as insurance ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bangarang Posted August 13, 2020 Share Posted August 13, 2020 (edited) Rooting for Bass to take the job. Hauschka has kicked poorly the last 2 years and looks to have lost quit a bit of power. Edited August 13, 2020 by Bangarang 3 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GunnerBill Posted August 13, 2020 Share Posted August 13, 2020 Hausch is a heavy favourite to win the job IMO. Huge risk to go with a rookie who has never kicked even in a pre-season game and start putting your fate in his hands. Hausch remains almost automatic from inside 50 so you just don't ask him to try anything longer. However, I think there is a very good chance given the situation that they keep both on the 53. 8 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JoPoy88 Posted August 13, 2020 Share Posted August 13, 2020 3 hours ago, Locomark said: Will Bass win the job? How will the team simulate games / pressure in a way that they can comfortably decide to go with the rookie ? Do they toss Bass on the practice squad ? If they pick Bass, do they try to keep Hauschka on the practice squad and protect him as insurance ? there may be no game pressure, at least from opposing fans. I’m sure the Bills’ coaches know a million and one ways to freak out a kicker in practice and see what he’s got. Fwiw, my money’s on Bass beating out Hauschka, but i’m not 100%. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
billsbackto81 Posted August 13, 2020 Share Posted August 13, 2020 Bass has to be lights out to beat out the vet. Hausch may have played poorly in some games last season and very well cost us the Browns game but he was money in the playoff game in Houston. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
machine gun kelly Posted August 13, 2020 Share Posted August 13, 2020 One makes the team, and one will end up on the PS. Bass may get it. One piece of good news for Bass’s chance is there won’t be fans in the stands so that makes it easier for kickers to get it through the uprights. The coaches will figure it out in camp. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Blokestradamus Posted August 13, 2020 Share Posted August 13, 2020 3 hours ago, GunnerBill said: However, I think there is a very good chance given the situation that they keep both on the 53. From the only Jordan Gay truther on the planet; prepare for hatred the likes of which you've never seen before. 5 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GunnerBill Posted August 13, 2020 Share Posted August 13, 2020 6 minutes ago, Blokestradamus said: From the only Jordan Gay truther on the planet; prepare for hatred the likes of which you've never seen before. Blokes in "loves the Gay" shocker..... 6 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
eball Posted August 13, 2020 Share Posted August 13, 2020 4 hours ago, GunnerBill said: Hausch is a heavy favourite to win the job IMO. Huge risk to go with a rookie who has never kicked even in a pre-season game and start putting your fate in his hands. Hausch remains almost automatic from inside 50 so you just don't ask him to try anything longer. However, I think there is a very good chance given the situation that they keep both on the 53. When a team drafts a kicker it’s a little different than a typical 6th round pick. Unless Bass has been terrible in camp I think he absolutely makes the 53. I hear and somewhat agree with what you’re saying about “trusting” a rookie K without any in-game experience but they all have to cut their teeth at some point. You can bet your bottom dollar that when pads go on next week and they’re trying to simulate game situations they’ll be pressuring both of these guys, and I believe that will dictate whether Hauschka stays as the “short” kicker or they hand the job to Bass outright. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GunnerBill Posted August 13, 2020 Share Posted August 13, 2020 15 minutes ago, eball said: When a team drafts a kicker it’s a little different than a typical 6th round pick. Unless Bass has been terrible in camp I think he absolutely makes the 53. I hear and somewhat agree with what you’re saying about “trusting” a rookie K without any in-game experience but they all have to cut their teeth at some point. You can bet your bottom dollar that when pads go on next week and they’re trying to simulate game situations they’ll be pressuring both of these guys, and I believe that will dictate whether Hauschka stays as the “short” kicker or they hand the job to Bass outright. I wouldn't underestimate how much this regime loves Hausch. Bass would have to unequivocally and undisputedly beat him out in every facet to win the job outright I think. With this staff I think ties go to Hausch. 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JMF2006 Posted August 13, 2020 Share Posted August 13, 2020 I think House Money had a groin injury or something he was fighting through last year. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thenorthremembers Posted August 13, 2020 Share Posted August 13, 2020 Hauschka wins the job but Bass is staying around one way or another. I think its most likely on the practice squad. They dont tend to give up on their draft picks quickly. They save 2.5 million on the cap by releasing Hauschka next year and with the potential of a lower salary cap in 2021 I expect Bass to be the guy then. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BigPappy Posted August 13, 2020 Share Posted August 13, 2020 (edited) 6 hours ago, Locomark said: Will Bass win the job? How will the team simulate games / pressure in a way that they can comfortably decide to go with the rookie ? Do they toss Bass on the practice squad ? If they pick Bass, do they try to keep Hauschka on the practice squad and protect him as insurance ? Will Bass win the job? I Doubt it. As someone else mentioned, i don't think you go with a rookie kicker when you can't even see how he does in a preseason game let alone one that counts. How will the team simulate games / pressure in a way that they can comfortably decide to go with the rookie ?: Coach has already discussed this in interviews regarding all the players. They can do a variety of things including playing for a no pads day or a walk through day, or even a rest day. Do they toss Bass on the practice squad ?: Probably not pick him as the starter bit I could see him being included in the 53 rather than practice squad. As a side note though, I think you will see far less of teams picking players from other teams practice squads this year since it will be such an effort for them bring them into facilities to join the their team. Instead, I think teams will stick to their own practice squad players and fill their team needs mainly through their own squad players as \ if needed. If they pick Bass, do they try to keep Hauschka on the practice squad and protect him as insurance ? Hauschka is not eligible for PS. Edited August 13, 2020 by BigPappy 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
T master Posted August 13, 2020 Share Posted August 13, 2020 Chris Brown was talking about this the other day on One Bills Live & said just due to the fact that Haushka has the experience at being clutch the couple that with the fact that there will be no preseason games for Bass to prove he can be clutch under pressure that that alone could lose him the job . But they did say because he has such a strong leg and can put it out of the end zone on kick offs most all the time and Haushka has a harder time getting it out of the end zone that could be a factor in who wins the job . I guess it will come down to what McD see's from them in camp and all you all say preseason games are useless ? . Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
machine gun kelly Posted August 13, 2020 Share Posted August 13, 2020 13 minutes ago, BigPappy said: Will Bass win the job? I Doubt it. As someone else mentioned, i don't think you go with a rookie kicker when you can't even see how he does in a preseason game let alone one that counts. How will the team simulate games / pressure in a way that they can comfortably decide to go with the rookie ?: Coach has already discussed this in interviews regarding all the players. They can do a variety of things including playing for a no pads day or a walk through day, or even a rest day. Do they toss Bass on the practice squad ?: Probably not pick him as the starter bit I could see him being included in the 53 rather than practice squad. As a side note though, I think you will see far less of teams picking players from other teams practice squads this year since it will be such an effort for them bring them into facilities to join the their team. Instead, I think teams will stick to their own practice squad players and fill their team needs mainly through their own squad players as \ if needed. If they pick Bass, do they try to keep Hauschka on the practice squad and protect him as insurance ? Hauschka is not eligible for PS. Good points Pappy. You may have not seen it, but they announced on July 20th NFL teams can have up to 6 veteran players on the PS for 2020, given the issues with COVID. Just an FYI. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BigPappy Posted August 13, 2020 Share Posted August 13, 2020 6 minutes ago, machine gun kelly said: Good points Pappy. You may have not seen it, but they announced on July 20th NFL teams can have up to 6 veteran players on the PS for 2020, given the issues with COVID. Just an FYI. Thanks Machine Gun. You are correct sir. I did not see that announcement in July. I just looked it up. This is good news indeed. expanded to 16 players. I appreciate the info. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
machine gun kelly Posted August 13, 2020 Share Posted August 13, 2020 No problem bud. I had to look up too, but I did hear it on NFLR so I assumed it was in writing somewhere. You did make good points though. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MAJBobby Posted August 13, 2020 Share Posted August 13, 2020 (edited) To start the season. Hausch Bass on the Protected PS By End of season Bass - It is always a bad sign for a Kicker when your team DRAFTs a Kicker. Edited August 13, 2020 by MAJBobby 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sherlock Holmes Posted August 13, 2020 Share Posted August 13, 2020 1 hour ago, Blokestradamus said: From the only Jordan Gay truther on the planet; prepare for hatred the likes of which you've never seen before. 1 hour ago, GunnerBill said: Blokes in "loves the Gay" shocker..... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MAJBobby Posted August 13, 2020 Share Posted August 13, 2020 47 minutes ago, GunnerBill said: I wouldn't underestimate how much this regime loves Hausch. Bass would have to unequivocally and undisputedly beat him out in every facet to win the job outright I think. With this staff I think ties go to Hausch. So much love they tried to claim Chase McLaughlin 6 minutes ago, BigPappy said: Thanks Machine Gun. You are correct sir. I did not see that announcement in July. I just looked it up. This is good news indeed. expanded to 16 players. I appreciate the info. They also get to protect some too (I think it might be 4) so no on can ever claim them 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IgotBILLStopay Posted August 13, 2020 Share Posted August 13, 2020 Will Bass win the job? Even with a full TC, it was unlikely he beats out Haush-Money. Haushka was the ONE Bills star of the playoff game vs. Houston. Bass was *only* a 6th rounder - typically 4th round and before kickers are penciled in as starters. Haush has to really screw up in practice / the early games or be injured for Bass to make the 53 this season. And with players being harder to sign off the PS this season - Bass should be safe. That said - there is a reason Bass was drafted - the Bills do not have faith in Haush from beyond 50 yards - that was reflected in their play choices down the playoff game stretch. And Bass' forte is the long kicks - but has to show more consistency. If Bass consistently outkicks Haush, I dont think McD will hesitate to go with the rookie in games. Bottomline: I think it is 80-20 that we go with Haushka to open the season. Next season is a completely different matter. Bass is cost controlled and has had a full year and Haush costs money - so it is 80-20 that Haush is let go next season. How will the team simulate games / pressure in a way that they can comfortably decide to go with the rookie ? Coaches do that all the time - make the granting of teammates wishes' (like practice exemptions) depend on the outcome of the kicks - no worse feeling than letting your teammates down. And the Bills can always play Renegade loudly on their speakers. Do they toss Bass on the practice squad ? Yes - see above. If they pick Bass, do they try to keep Hauschka on the practice squad and protect him as insurance ? Haushka cannot go on the PS. It will be IR. Teams have previously delayed releasing vets by placing em on IR - though the league frowns upon this practice - any football player will have nicks. Belichick used that trick last season - he delayed releasing Josh Gordon by placing him on the IR. Players usually go along with the team's wishes though there have been a few vocal protests which the league has responded by fining the team. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GunnerBill Posted August 13, 2020 Share Posted August 13, 2020 4 minutes ago, MAJBobby said: So much love they tried to claim Chase McLaughlin Indeed. Another guy they really liked and kept Hausch over initially last summer. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Captain Hindsight Posted August 13, 2020 Share Posted August 13, 2020 51 minutes ago, GunnerBill said: I wouldn't underestimate how much this regime loves Hausch. Bass would have to unequivocally and undisputedly beat him out in every facet to win the job outright I think. With this staff I think ties go to Hausch. They claimed the kicker they had in camp halfway through the year last year but he went to the Colts with the waiver claim. He was going to be cut midseason least year. The window to win is now. If they dont think Hauschka still has it, they will go with someone who they think can Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GunnerBill Posted August 13, 2020 Share Posted August 13, 2020 Just now, Captain Hindsight said: They claimed the kicker they had in camp halfway through the year last year but he went to the Colts with the waiver claim. He was going to be cut midseason least year. The window to win is now. If they dont think Hauschka still has it, they will go with someone who they think can Yep. A guy they originally liked a lot but didn't take the risk to go with because..... they love Hausch. This regime will give ties to the vet kicker, I am convinced. If Bass clearly beats him out then that is different.... but if it is close they will side with experience, just as they did last year. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MAJBobby Posted August 13, 2020 Share Posted August 13, 2020 2 minutes ago, GunnerBill said: Indeed. Another guy they really liked and kept Hausch over initially last summer. And immediately tried to claim when Hausch started missing his Kicks again. Now they Drafted into the Position. Bass will be given every opportunity to unseat Hausch, if not he will be one of the protected PS (unless he pukes all over himeself) 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
machine gun kelly Posted August 13, 2020 Share Posted August 13, 2020 7 minutes ago, MAJBobby said: So much love they tried to claim Chase McLaughlin They also get to protect some too (I think it might be 4) so no on can ever claim them Absolutely, but it was discussed in another thread, they have to claim on Tuesday the designated four each week. It’s not necessarily a dedicated same four for the season, but excellent point. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MAJBobby Posted August 13, 2020 Share Posted August 13, 2020 Just now, machine gun kelly said: Absolutely, but it was discussed in another thread, they have to claim on Tuesday the designated four each week. It’s not necessarily a dedicated same four for the season, but excellent point. I thought so I also did hear about the rolling protection. If the Bills put there protected Kicker on the PS they will protect him each week I would think with the kicking problem in the league (with expanded rosters they might just roll with 2) Hausch short FGs, Bass Long FGs and KO, until Bass ready to handle all of it. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
eball Posted August 13, 2020 Share Posted August 13, 2020 44 minutes ago, thenorthremembers said: Hauschka wins the job but Bass is staying around one way or another. I think its most likely on the practice squad I think Bass is snatched up immediately if they put him on the PS. If he is horrible in camp they may try that, but if he kicks well he'll make the 53. Teams are desperate for big-legged kickers. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GunnerBill Posted August 13, 2020 Share Posted August 13, 2020 I actually think they will carry both kickers. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MAJBobby Posted August 13, 2020 Share Posted August 13, 2020 4 minutes ago, eball said: I think Bass is snatched up immediately if they put him on the PS. If he is horrible in camp they may try that, but if he kicks well he'll make the 53. Teams are desperate for big-legged kickers. Expanded Rosters might mean they keep both 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
klos63 Posted August 13, 2020 Share Posted August 13, 2020 someone will pull a muscle and get put on recallable IR. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BuffaninSarasota Posted August 13, 2020 Share Posted August 13, 2020 2 hours ago, JMF2006 said: I think House Money had a groin injury or something he was fighting through last year. and you know this how ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RoyBatty is alive Posted August 13, 2020 Share Posted August 13, 2020 The Bills may have three kickers. I would opt out of Hauschka and his expensive contract plus his leg he cant get it out of the end zone. Go with Bass and the Norwegian Kaare Vedvik. Vedvik has an incredibly strong leg, he can easily get the ball thru the end zone on kickoffs. Also he punts the ball very well. I would go with Bass, Vedvek and Bojorquez. If Bass cant handle the pressure, Vedvik can try and fill in, Vedvik was very good through pre-season last year but last game missed 3 or 4. He went to he jets where he missed everything but has demonstrated in the past (pre-season with Ravens) he can kick. So I would roll the dice with the untested rookie and Bass and Vedvik can easily replace Bojorquez punting. Two kickers and two punters (effectively) in 3 may be the way to go with this bizarre covid year. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ridgewaycynic2013 Posted August 13, 2020 Share Posted August 13, 2020 "...and how do they simulate game pressure?" * Show the K the final minutes of Superbowl XXV? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BillnutinHouston Posted August 13, 2020 Share Posted August 13, 2020 2 hours ago, GunnerBill said: I wouldn't underestimate how much this regime loves Hausch. Bass would have to unequivocally and undisputedly beat him out in every facet to win the job outright I think. With this staff I think ties go to Hausch. That the Bills burned a 6th on Bass understandably allows one to underestimate the Haush love. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
billspro Posted August 13, 2020 Share Posted August 13, 2020 1 hour ago, IgotBILLStopay said: Will Bass win the job? Even with a full TC, it was unlikely he beats out Haush-Money. Haushka was the ONE Bills star of the playoff game vs. Houston. Bass was *only* a 6th rounder - typically 4th round and before kickers are penciled in as starters. Haush has to really screw up in practice / the early games or be injured for Bass to make the 53 this season. And with players being harder to sign off the PS this season - Bass should be safe. That said - there is a reason Bass was drafted - the Bills do not have faith in Haush from beyond 50 yards - that was reflected in their play choices down the playoff game stretch. And Bass' forte is the long kicks - but has to show more consistency. If Bass consistently outkicks Haush, I dont think McD will hesitate to go with the rookie in games. Bottomline: I think it is 80-20 that we go with Haushka to open the season. Next season is a completely different matter. Bass is cost controlled and has had a full year and Haush costs money - so it is 80-20 that Haush is let go next season. How will the team simulate games / pressure in a way that they can comfortably decide to go with the rookie ? Coaches do that all the time - make the granting of teammates wishes' (like practice exemptions) depend on the outcome of the kicks - no worse feeling than letting your teammates down. And the Bills can always play Renegade loudly on their speakers. Do they toss Bass on the practice squad ? Yes - see above. If they pick Bass, do they try to keep Hauschka on the practice squad and protect him as insurance ? Haushka cannot go on the PS. It will be IR. Teams have previously delayed releasing vets by placing em on IR - though the league frowns upon this practice - any football player will have nicks. Belichick used that trick last season - he delayed releasing Josh Gordon by placing him on the IR. Players usually go along with the team's wishes though there have been a few vocal protests which the league has responded by fining the team. Bass is likely too good to stash on the practice squad unfortunately. It’s better to get rid of a kicker a year too soon rather than a year too late. It’s a good year to roll with a rookie kicker, the environments won’t be very hostile this year. If it’s even close they keep Bass especially with the cap saving that we will need next year. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Captain Hindsight Posted August 13, 2020 Share Posted August 13, 2020 1 hour ago, GunnerBill said: Yep. A guy they originally liked a lot but didn't take the risk to go with because..... they love Hausch. This regime will give ties to the vet kicker, I am convinced. If Bass clearly beats him out then that is different.... but if it is close they will side with experience, just as they did last year. Maybe with Mcdermott's new found sense of job security, he may be more willing to take a risk on a rookie kicker with a huge leg Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BuffaloRebound Posted August 13, 2020 Share Posted August 13, 2020 (edited) I actually think the potential of no fans or a lot less can greatly help a rookie kicker especially one that didn’t play for a college that plays in front of 70k+ fans. Not saying Bass beats out Hauschka but the uniqueness of this season probably helps Bass. Edited August 13, 2020 by BuffaloRebound Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
letsgoteam Posted August 13, 2020 Share Posted August 13, 2020 I admit I am not entirely read up on special exemptions with roster limits. However, I could see both kickers on the active roster, especially if the exemptions make it easier in one way or another. Just examples of things IDK if they are real ? (either by Protected players outside of the traditional 53, expanded game day dress out rosters, or whatever the case might be) 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
loveorhatembillsfan4life Posted August 13, 2020 Share Posted August 13, 2020 I think Hauschka starts the season just because there is really no game simulation to see Bass. But If Bass performs well out in camp (we might not get much indication with the lack of media) I wouldn't be surprised if Hauschka was cut. I don't think it will happen but I bet we find ways to keep both. As much as he was clutch in Houston, Hauschka numbers have dropped since 2017. He was 1-5 from 50 and beyond. . His range is maxed out. This is a detriment to our strategy by now having to either to choose to punt or go for it. Hopefully we will be scoring a crap load of points or moving the ball well enough to keep us out of Long Field goals this season. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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