Fauci : Football may not happen

[BringBackFergy]

1 minute ago, RyanC883 said:

 

I’d guess he is in decent shape.  I’d say he could gove Peterman a run.  Not a knock on Peterman. 

He was a hell of a basketball player. Look it up. 

[oldmanfan]

2 minutes ago, RyanC883 said:

 

I’d guess he is in decent shape.  I’d say he could gove Peterman a run.  Not a knock on Peterman. 

I doubt NFL cancels.  Most likely is a spring season like the NCAA is allegedly contemplating.  Which would also be the death of MLB IMo. 

MLB seems to be trying to kill itself

[RyanC883]

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1 minute ago, oldmanfan said:

MLB seems to be trying to kill itself

 

as a Pirates fan, I can say their owner has been trying to kill it 

Edited June 18, 2020 by RyanC883

[PromoTheRobot]

10 minutes ago, RyanC883 said:

 

I’d guess he is in decent shape.  I’d say he could gove Peterman a run.  Not a knock on Peterman. 

I doubt NFL cancels.  Most likely is a spring season like the NCAA is allegedly contemplating.  Which would also be the death of MLB IMo. 

 

There would have to be chaos for the NFL to cancel. But I do think we are heading for fan-less games. I wonder if the Bills could play in their field house? Try out the dome experience?

[KD in CA]

55 minutes ago, Big Blitz said:

 

 

As people go back to work they are getting tested.

 

Holy cow lots of people have it.

 

This is a good thing.  The death rate is going to continue to plummet.

 

And the CDC will announce in mid August, "pandemic is over.  Just be safe.  Its like swine flu for the elderly."  

 

We shutdown the planet bc we were told it had a 4% IFR.  More cases.  Less deaths.  Quicker back to freaking normal.  

 

I doubt the CDC will do any such thing because fear keeps the masses in line.

 

The rest is spot on.  Raw # of cases climbing and death rate falling is the best case scenario....and that's what's happening.

[BillsfanAZ]

12 minutes ago, oldmanfan said:

MLB seems to be trying to kill itself

They can add one more COVID death to the total then

[Hapless Bills Fan]

6 minutes ago, BillsfanAZ said:

I dont think we will ever know the true fatality rate. My wife does antibody testing and she said there are a lot more positive tests now than when they first started testing. Lots of people had it and never knew it. My wife had it and didnt know it. I never got it. 

 

That's part of what makes the true infection fatality rate so difficult to know - healthy living people who were infected, but didn't realize because no or minor symptoms.

[But your wife should bear in mind that serology - antibody tests - have a false positive and false negative rate.  A good test will be 2-4% false positive in practice.  So if the actual infection rate in a population is within 2x of the false positive rate, false positives become significant!  In a location with 25% positives, not so much of a problem.]

 

The other part is undercounting deaths.  The "seasonal fatality rate" which measures how the death rate predictably changes from month to month due to seasonal flu, heat waves, etc shows a gap where we see more deaths than expected this spring, and identified covid-19 deaths don't fill the gap.  A study comparing the official covid-19 death toll to the overall deaths and previous seasonal fatality rates in Italy concluded that covid-19 deaths were likely 1.5x higher than the official death toll. 

 

It's actually rather hard to find that data for the US right now, as some jurisdictions can take up to a year to report deaths to the CDC.   Here's a blog that does a pretty good job at explaining why certainly through mid-April, covid-19 deaths were likely underreported, probably by ~30%.  It has links to the CDC data.

[Big Blitz]

"In March, Californians needed a state of emergency on COVID-19 because the virus was unfamiliar and our health system was unprepared. California is now prepared. It’s time to end the emergency, return the decisions to the people, and bring in more perspectives, more questions and more oversight.

 

After months of living with COVID-19, we have more certainty. The virus is 10 times less fatal than we first thought. The vast majority who catch it will have mild or no symptoms. Children are largely spared...

 

Infections will smolder along whether we reopen or not. The spread is a natural progression of the epidemic across California geographies. The virus does not land everywhere at once; it finds a susceptible group, moves from person to person within limited transmission networks often extinguishing itself on its own..."

 

https://calmatters.org/commentary/its-time-to-end-the-state-of-emergency-over-covid-19/amp/?__twitter_impression=true

 

 

Can Fauci refute this?  These experts say open.  Fauci wants everything cancelled unless you walk around in bubble wrap, with no stated goal.  Just fear mongering and panic inducing out of context "cases spike!" stories. 

[PromoTheRobot]

1 hour ago, Big Blitz said:

 

 

As people go back to work they are getting tested.

 

Holy cow lots of people have it.

 

This is a good thing.  The death rate is going to continue to plummet.

 

And the CDC will announce in mid August, "pandemic is over.  Just be safe.  Its like swine flu for the elderly."  

 

We shutdown the planet bc we were told it had a 4% IFR.  More cases.  Less deaths.  Quicker back to freaking normal.  

 

Nope. Not happening. You realize it's not just the people who die but the people who end up in the ICU. They can really overwhelm the health care system. Then where do people with broken legs and heart attacks go?

 

But the simple act of wearing a mask reduces your chance of infecting someone by 80%. We could control much of the spread of Covid-19 if everyone wore make and washed their hands. But, you know...that ain't happening.

Edited June 18, 2020 by PromoTheRobot

[Rocbillsfan1]

4 hours ago, 17islongenough said:

This guy has been wrong a lot.  

More likes then dislikes for this post, goes to show you how many smart white male bills fans there are in western ny. 

[Hapless Bills Fan]

6 minutes ago, KD in CA said:

 

I doubt the CDC will do any such thing because fear keeps the masses in line.

 

The rest is spot on.  Raw # of cases climbing and death rate falling is the best case scenario....and that's what's happening.

 

I haven't noticed "the masses" particularly "in line"

 

What are they in line for? 

Vegas? 

Pool parties? 

Protests? 

Bar-hopping? 

Marches?

 

Raw number of cases climbing, death rate and hospitalizations falling would indeed be a good scenario.

I don't think that's what's happening in some of our states right now but it'll either fall out that way, or it won't.

[WhoTom]

29 minutes ago, RyanC883 said:

 

in other words, he can never be wrong, because the science changes. 

 

Wow - how you twisted what I wrote into that must have involved some serious mental gymnastics.

 

[Hapless Bills Fan]

15 minutes ago, Big Blitz said:

"In March, Californians needed a state of emergency on COVID-19 because the virus was unfamiliar and our health system was unprepared. California is now prepared. It’s time to end the emergency, return the decisions to the people, and bring in more perspectives, more questions and more oversight.

 

After months of living with COVID-19, we have more certainty. The virus is 10 times less fatal than we first thought. The vast majority who catch it will have mild or no symptoms. Children are largely spared...

 

Infections will smolder along whether we reopen or not. The spread is a natural progression of the epidemic across California geographies. The virus does not land everywhere at once; it finds a susceptible group, moves from person to person within limited transmission networks often extinguishing itself on its own..."

 

https://calmatters.org/commentary/its-time-to-end-the-state-of-emergency-over-covid-19/amp/?__twitter_impression=true

 

 

Can Fauci refute this?  These experts say open.  Fauci wants everything cancelled unless you walk around in bubble wrap, with no stated goal.  Just fear mongering and panic inducing out of context "cases spike!" stories. 

 

I'm gonna say if you want to chat covid-19 completely unrelated to Football, hike on over to OTW discussion thread (or PPP as best suits you).   The totally unfounded statement "Fauci wants everything cancelled unless you walk around in bubble wrap with no stated goal" etc might be more suited to the latter - you may be asked to source and fact check statements in the OTW threads.  Thanks.

[JoPoy88]

26 minutes ago, RyanC883 said:

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as a Pirates fan, I can say their owner has been trying to kill it 

at least you’re not an Orioles fan. Pirates is pretty close

[JaCrispy]

4 hours ago, Penfield45 said:

Texas football team had 13 players test postiive after a few workouts 

 

there is not going to be college football this season, and NFL won't start on time either 

Meh, they’ll be fine...nothing to see here...?

[Dragoon]

Using my favorite line from Jurassic Park on Dr. Fauci:

“I really do hate that man.”

[JaCrispy]

35 minutes ago, BringBackFergy said:

He was a hell of a basketball player. Look it up. 

What was it- an under 6 foot league? ?

[Jauronimo]

41 minutes ago, RyanC883 said:

 

in other words, he can never be wrong, because the science changes.  He was once saying that we should not shake hands, then saying one night stands were okay depending on individual risk.  The guy loves to be in the spotlight.  

He's such a spotlight lover we see him once every 25 years.

[teef]

What the ***** are you people doing?  Jesus Christ. 

Edited June 18, 2020 by teef

[Augie]

48 minutes ago, BringBackFergy said:

He was a hell of a basketball player. Look it up. 

 

12 minutes ago, JaCrispy said:

What was it- an under 6 foot league? ?

 

He said on Dan Patrick today he was a pretty good 5’7” PG who struggled against the good 6’3” PG’s.  Yeah, I bet! 

[Big Blitz]

11 minutes ago, teef said:

What the ***** are you people doing?  Jesus Christ. 

 

 

Hoping we don't lose a season where we have the best chance to not just make the playoffs but win the whole f...ring thing since 1999 because we grossly overreacted to a serious flu.  

 

That's all.  If Commander Fauci can't elaborate on the virus itself or doesn't want to, then he needs to get off the TV.  I only want him to talk to us about the virus.  Not what activities we can't do when regardless of their warnings and cautions we still have every right to choose to do them anyway.  

Edited June 18, 2020 by Big Blitz

[Hampton Josh fan]

If Fauci hadn't done  excellent work on HIV, he would have been asked to leave after his consistently wrong analysis of this virus. He shouldn't weigh in on professional sports or reopening the economy and leave it to the medical professionals in each state. Masks are not necessary, the virus can't be transmitted human to human, the virus won't be an issue for the US. Thanks Fauci.

[teef]

23 minutes ago, Big Blitz said:

 

 

Hoping we don't lose a season where we have the best chance to not just make the playoffs but win the whole f...ring thing since 1999 because we grossly overreacted to a serious flu.  

 

That's all.  If Commander Fauci can't elaborate on the virus itself or doesn't want to, then he needs to get off the TV.  I only want him to talk to us about the virus.  Not what activities we can't do when regardless of their warnings and cautions we still have every right to choose to do them anyway.  

Commander Fauci doesn’t set policy.  You don’t have to listen to anyone you don’t feel gives you good info.  This isn’t political. 
 

I lost almost 3 months of works over this *****, and I still listen to the science because there’s a very strong reality it could  shut me down again.  Sorry you couldn’t go out to dinner. 

Edited June 18, 2020 by teef

[teef]

13 minutes ago, Hampton Josh fan said:

If Fauci hadn't done  excellent work on HIV, he would have been asked to leave after his consistently wrong analysis of this virus. He shouldn't weigh in on professional sports or reopening the economy and leave it to the medical professionals in each state. Masks are not necessary, the virus can't be transmitted human to human, the virus won't be an issue for the US. Thanks Fauci.

So do you think the only way to contract the virus is by making out?

[Capco]

4 hours ago, JoPoy88 said:

now that you’re saying things that are getting a little personal for me, ima bow out of this before i get modded, but before I do, your complete ignorance on this topic on display is astounding. I sincerely hope you’re just trolling, because if not, my god man.

 

This guy is a microcosm of PPP.

 

I always kind of assumed that PPP was reflective of many of the users of this board.  But if this thread is any indication, the batshit crazy alt-right that is PPP is in fact just a very vocal minority.  

 

This guy FireChans has gotten demolished in this thread and it gives me a lot of hope seeing the once silent majority giving him hell.  

[Talley56]

Of course, a season where the Bills could finally win the division and maybe even be a title contender would be the one that gets cancelled.

[Jauronimo]

 

1 hour ago, KD in CA said:

 

I doubt the CDC will do any such thing because fear keeps the masses in line.

 

The rest is spot on.  Raw # of cases climbing and death rate falling is the best case scenario....and that's what's happening.

 Keeps them in line for what end?  Whats the big picture in this conspiracy?

[jimmy10]

4 minutes ago, Jauronimo said:

 

 Keeps them in line for what end?  Whats the big picture in this conspiracy?

Build-a-Bears, Qbert, Zionist Planking conspiracies. Study it out. 

[CEN-CAL17]

36 minutes ago, Big Blitz said:

 

 

Hoping we don't lose a season where we have the best chance to not just make the playoffs but win the whole f...ring thing since 1999 because we grossly overreacted to a serious flu.  

 

That's all.  If Commander Fauci can't elaborate on the virus itself or doesn't want to, then he needs to get off the TV.  I only want him to talk to us about the virus.  Not what activities we can't do when regardless of their warnings and cautions we still have every right to choose to do them anyway.  

I want to see more stats... percentages. For example, death rate from between 20-50 years old. I saw an article where 19 of 20 people who are positive do not have to actually spend time in a hospital. Most just stay home and are fine in 3-4 days.

 

I get that this can be deadly for a lot of people, but the odds are, 95% of the people out there it will be as bad as a bad flu bug....

Edited June 18, 2020 by CEN-CAL17

[Capco]

2 minutes ago, Jauronimo said:

 

 Keeps them in line for what end?  Whats the big picture in this conspiracy?

 

Top-down control.  Power.  Men behind the curtain.  Fewer individual freedoms.  Assault on liberty.  Things the American Right will never tolerate!!!

 

Yadda yadda ya.  

[GG]

7 minutes ago, Jauronimo said:

 

 Keeps them in line for what end?  Whats the big picture in this conspiracy?

 

Maintain an adequate supply of toilet paper, obviously.

[dwight in philly]

 Just got off a 30 day ban. and im sure i will get banned again  , but fauci is the epitome of a snake oil salesman .. ignore him

[Jauronimo]

Just now, dwight in philly said:

 Just got off a 30 day ban. and im sure i will get banned again  , but fauci is the epitome of a snake oil salesman .. ignore him

Whose opinion do you trust on matters of infectious disease?

[FireChans]

34 minutes ago, Capco said:

 

This guy is a microcosm of PPP.

 

I always kind of assumed that PPP was reflective of many of the users of this board.  But if this thread is any indication, the batshit crazy alt-right that is PPP is in fact just a very vocal minority.  

 

This guy FireChans has gotten demolished in this thread and it gives me a lot of hope seeing the once silent majority giving him hell.  

How scared are you to @ me?

Edited June 18, 2020 by FireChans

[oldmanfan]

1 minute ago, dwight in philly said:

 Just got off a 30 day ban. and im sure i will get banned again  , but fauci is the epitome of a snake oil salesman .. ignore him

You are ridiculous.  He is the preeminent infectious disease expert in the country if not the world. 

[teef]

Just now, Jauronimo said:

Whose opinion do you trust on matters of infectious disease?

I have no idea why people feel they were duped. You prepare for the worst, and if it doesn’t happen...great.  What’s the great conspiracy here?  
 

Science isn’t linear like so many people are expecting it to be.  

[dwight in philly]

 

8 minutes ago, Jauronimo said:

Whose opinion do you trust on matters of infectious disease?

not sure , have not thought it thru that much .. but fauci ? do you trust him? wear a face mask ? dont wear a mask mask? tell me .. enlighten me .. who should i listen to about infectious diseases .. do u have inside info? 

Edited June 18, 2020 by dwight in philly

[teef]

1 minute ago, dwight in philly said:

not sure , have not thought it thru that much .. but fauci ? do you trust him? wear a face mask ? dont wear a mask mask? tell me .. enlighten me .. who should i listen to about infectious diseases .. do u have inside info? 

I’m generic about it.  When in public, I wear a mask. Not on walks or where I’m in an open area, but if I go into a store, I wear a mask.   Why not?   It doesn’t hurt, and it can only help.   I’m not worried about getting sick, but I’m worried about others.  I wear the mask out of consideration.  

[dwight in philly]

Just now, teef said:

I’m generic about it.  When in public, I wear a mask. Not on walks or where I’m in an open area, but if I go into a store, I wear a mask.   Why not?   It doesn’t hurt, and it can only help.   I’m not worried about getting sick, but I’m worried about others.  I wear the mask out of consideration.  

dont wear a mask . but to each their own. 

[JoPoy88]

37 minutes ago, Capco said:

 

This guy is a microcosm of PPP.

 

I always kind of assumed that PPP was reflective of many of the users of this board.  But if this thread is any indication, the batshit crazy alt-right that is PPP is in fact just a very vocal minority.  

 

This guy FireChans has gotten demolished in this thread and it gives me a lot of hope seeing the once silent majority giving him hell.  

There’s a few regulars in PPP that know their stuff, even if I disagree with them ideologically. But whatever, you’re right for the most part it’s a pit and an echo chamber for the right wingers. That’s why it exists, it’s a “containment zone.”