StHustle Posted June 12, 2020 Share Posted June 12, 2020 https://bleacherreport.com/articles/2895823-bills-josh-allen-57-buffalo-police-who-resigned-dont-deserve-to-be-with-unit I totally agree with Josh's position. The police's allegiance is supposed to be to protect and serve their communities FIRST not to stand up for each other. To resign in the middle of the largest scale civil unrest in decades is absolutely reprehensible and imo shows the exact gang mentality police tend to have that cause problems like them not intervening when one of them is clearly doing the wrong thing. I LOVE OUR QB! To me a great trait of a leader is to not shy away from making strong comments even when it could piss off those in authority. Thoughts on our QB making this statement? 15 1 7 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cripple Creek Posted June 12, 2020 Share Posted June 12, 2020 It’s ill informed thinking. At least a handful, and I’d guess handfuls more stepped down because their union told them they would not provide legal support to members of the unit during the marches. I’m sure some stepped down because of brotherhood. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
spartacus Posted June 12, 2020 Share Posted June 12, 2020 probably a career altering statement to the fans of Buffalo wish him well 2 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
StHustle Posted June 12, 2020 Author Share Posted June 12, 2020 6 minutes ago, Cripple Creek said: It’s ill informed thinking. At least a handful, and I’d guess handfuls more stepped down because their union told them they would not provide legal support to members of the unit during the marches. I’m sure some stepped down because of brotherhood. You are totally MISSING THE POINT. Their union?!?!? Ar you serious? Cops have a SWORN OATH POSITION. You don't resign at a time you are needed most over some bogus crap like that. If their union is that terrible that they would refuse legal help to them during marches then sounds like they need to come together and demand change. You don't abandon your post! Josh was right...anyone who would do that DOES NOT DESERVE TO WEAR A UNIFORM! 7 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cripple Creek Posted June 12, 2020 Share Posted June 12, 2020 10 minutes ago, StHustle said: You are totally MISSING THE POINT. Their union?!?!? Ar you serious? Cops have a SWORN OATH POSITION. You don't resign at a time you are needed most over some bogus crap like that. If their union is that terrible that they would refuse legal help to them during marches then sounds like they need to come together and demand change. You don't abandon your post! Josh was right...anyone who would do that DOES NOT DESERVE TO WEAR A UNIFORM! They didn’t resign, so perhaps you are missing the point. They are still active, just not part of that special unit (unless things have changed since I last read on the subject). So, if called for crowd control etc. I would assume they are out there. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bangarang Posted June 12, 2020 Share Posted June 12, 2020 I respect Allen's right to have an opinion even though I think it's dumb. 15 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nedboy7 Posted June 12, 2020 Share Posted June 12, 2020 23 minutes ago, Cripple Creek said: It’s ill informed thinking. At least a handful, and I’d guess handfuls more stepped down because their union told them they would not provide legal support to members of the unit during the marches. I’m sure some stepped down because of brotherhood. Why do you use that vile human's picture as your avatar? 5 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cripple Creek Posted June 12, 2020 Share Posted June 12, 2020 Just now, nedboy7 said: Why do you use that vile human's picture as your avatar? People need to remember. 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
StHustle Posted June 12, 2020 Author Share Posted June 12, 2020 2 minutes ago, Cripple Creek said: They didn’t resign, so perhaps you are missing the point. They are still active, just not part of that special unit (unless things have changed since I last read on the subject). So, if called for crowd control etc. I would assume they are out there. I understand that, They resigned from the Unit created to keep the protests in order. You dont see an issue with that? In fact, let me stop responding to you. Im tired of seeing your damn Avatar every few minutes. For you to glorify that is beyond me. Im fine with a difference of opinion but thats an all out troll move. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nedboy7 Posted June 12, 2020 Share Posted June 12, 2020 Just now, Cripple Creek said: People need to remember. Oh they do. It's burnt into our retinas. I suspect you have another reason. 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bigK14094 Posted June 12, 2020 Share Posted June 12, 2020 Buffalo apparently decided to make their riot control unit voluntary. All these guys are still Buffalo police officers. the combination of factors mentioned above probabily summarize why all of them quit. No legal cover, good enough reason to no longer participate. I wonder who gave the order for 59 riot gear clad officers to clear Niagara square. And, I wonder what the activist wanted walking up the officers.? I guess we will find out at trial. But, I am guessing the truth will not see the light of day here. Scape goating may occur...I hate to see it be the two officers. Media said "they walked right by the fallen demonstrator"...well, yes, I saw the video. I also saw them try to stop, and the supervisor instruct them to go on as he called for medical help. Looked like a book action....clear the square and the supervisor handles the wrinkles in the plan. And Josh, it would have been better to dodge this issue, you don't know how this will play out. I know one of the cops families, they are good people, and I feel for them as much as for the demonstrator, who may well get a couple of cop scalps to brag about to his cohort. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Captain Caveman Posted June 12, 2020 Share Posted June 12, 2020 2 minutes ago, Cripple Creek said: They didn’t resign, so perhaps you are missing the point. They are still active, just not part of that special unit (unless things have changed since I last read on the subject). So, if called for crowd control etc. I would assume they are out there. They resigned from the unit that handles "riot" control, so they are (or were) the primary unit responsible for that, and are no longer serving in that role. IMO it appears they feel they were hung out to dry by Police Leadership, but honestly, it really does highlight the huge problem there is in policing today, where it's assumed that it's ok in pretty much any case for them to use force to get someone to comply (and of course that they will generally protect each other over the public most of the time.) Also do you really have that scumbag as your Avatar? Why on Earth would you do that, and why is it allowed here? 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cripple Creek Posted June 12, 2020 Share Posted June 12, 2020 Just now, nedboy7 said: Oh they do. It's burnt into our retinas. I suspect you have another reason. It’s easy to find where I stand. Hover over my name and do a search of my posts. You’ll be surprised, apparently. You don’t have to come back to apologize though. 1 minute ago, Captain Caveman said: They resigned from the unit that handles "riot" control, so they are (or were) the primary unit responsible for that, and are no longer serving in that role. IMO it appears they feel they were hung out to dry by Police Leadership, but honestly, it really does highlight the huge problem there is in policing today, where it's assumed that it's ok in pretty much any case for them to use force to get someone to comply (and of course that they will generally protect each other over the public most of the time.) Also do you really have that scumbag as your Avatar? Why on Earth would you do that, and why is it allowed here? If you were part of that unit and your union told you that they would not support you in legal proceedings would you stay knowing any expenses would be out of pocket? Their union let them down. 4 minutes ago, StHustle said: I understand that, They resigned from the Unit created to keep the protests in order. You dont see an issue with that? In fact, let me stop responding to you. Im tired of seeing your damn Avatar every few minutes. For you to glorify that is beyond me. Im fine with a difference of opinion but thats an all out troll move. You sir are missing the point, by a mile. Have a nice evening. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Michael1962 Posted June 12, 2020 Share Posted June 12, 2020 To answer your question, I am happy that our QB said something in a non-PC, non-milquetoast kind of way. At least he is not going to bore anyone to death. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
StHustle Posted June 12, 2020 Author Share Posted June 12, 2020 2 minutes ago, Captain Caveman said: but honestly, it really does highlight the huge problem there is in policing today, where it's assumed that it's ok in pretty much any case for them to use force to get someone to comply (and of course that they will generally protect each other over the public most of the time.) EXACTLY, they are willing to sacrifice the safety of the people in the name for standing up for each other. The suspended officers were wrong for pushing the elderly man. Grab him and put him in cuffs. They just wanted to push him out their way. That CANT be protocol. If I were an officer I may be disappointed they got suspended but I would stand by my oath to protect and serve. In no way was resigning keeping their oath in mind. It was ONLY keeping their fellow officers best interest in mind and thats a damn shame. BUT can we please keep this thread more about the fact Josh came out with this statement? I think it actually means something about our team leader. Some will agree with me and feel its a positive, others wont like it one bit. I made this thread to discuss that moreso the 57 officers... 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Captain Caveman Posted June 12, 2020 Share Posted June 12, 2020 4 minutes ago, Cripple Creek said: If you were part of that unit and your union told you that they would not support you in legal proceedings would you stay knowing any expenses would be out of pocket? Their union let them down. The union's position is representative of the larger problem of Police having the ability to assault people without fear of reprisal or consequence, and they throw a tantrum like this when called out on it. If it's just a union thing, the officers in question could still come out and say that they feel for the man who was assaulted. Instead, you and I both know that they feel it was part of their assigned job, a job which they were ok with until some widely shared videos made them public villains. 1 minute ago, StHustle said: BUT can we please keep this thread more about the fact Josh came out with this statement? I think it actually means something about our team leader. Some will agree with me and feel its a positive, others wont like it one bit. I made this thread to discuss that moreso the 57 officers... Good luck with that But I'm 100% on board with his statement. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
StHustle Posted June 12, 2020 Author Share Posted June 12, 2020 9 minutes ago, Cripple Creek said: It’s easy to find where I stand. Hover over my name and do a search of my posts. You’ll be surprised, apparently. You don’t have to come back to apologize though. If you are truly have good intentions with that avatar, maybe consider choosing a different avatar that would actually communicate good intention. You get questioned about it all the time, clearly rubbing people the wrong way and yet you consider it a positive? The road to epic failure is littered with people who had good intentions. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Success Posted June 12, 2020 Share Posted June 12, 2020 3 minutes ago, Michael1962 said: To answer your question, I am happy that our QB said something in a non-PC, non-milquetoast kind of way. At least he is not going to bore anyone to death. Agreed. I don't need to agree or disagree w/ someone all the time. We shouldn't be so afraid of opinions - I get tired of people insincerely toeing some imaginary line, and trying to say the "right" thing instead of what they really feel. 2 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CSBill Posted June 12, 2020 Share Posted June 12, 2020 14 minutes ago, Cripple Creek said: People need to remember. There are much better ways to help people remember this reprehensible act. It’s inappropriate and I’m surprised the MODS have let it remain. Time to show leadership folks, you’ve remove others for much less offensive things. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Buffalo_Stampede Posted June 12, 2020 Share Posted June 12, 2020 (edited) Josh Allen gets released if he's bad at his job. Why can't police face consequences for their actions? I never understood their logic. Most of police are good at their jobs. Edited June 12, 2020 by Buffalo_Stampede 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baba Booey Posted June 12, 2020 Share Posted June 12, 2020 17 minutes ago, Cripple Creek said: People need to remember. If you truly mean that how about using a pic of George Floyd as your avatar. The man who lost his life to that piece Of s***! 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cripple Creek Posted June 12, 2020 Share Posted June 12, 2020 4 minutes ago, StHustle said: If you are truly have good intentions with that avatar, maybe consider choosing a different avatar that would actually communicate good intention. You get questioned about it all the time, clearly rubbing people the wrong way and yet you consider it a positive? The road to epic failure is littered with people who had good intentions. I’ve had it since the beginning with less than a handful of questions, 3 in this thread. It’s time for people to feel discomfort. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Captain Caveman Posted June 12, 2020 Share Posted June 12, 2020 1 minute ago, StHustle said: If you are truly have good intentions with that avatar, maybe consider choosing a different avatar that would actually communicate good intention. You get questioned about it all the time, clearly rubbing people the wrong way and yet you consider it a positive? The road to epic failure is littered with people who had good intentions. 1 minute ago, Cripple Creek said: I’ve had it since the beginning, less than a handful of questions, 3 in this thread. It’s time, IMO, to feel uncomfortable. If you don't want people to keep assuming you're a racist ####### I'd remove it. There are much better ways of forcing the conversation. Seems like you've dug in though. Good luck with that. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Success Posted June 12, 2020 Share Posted June 12, 2020 1 minute ago, Cripple Creek said: I’ve had it since the beginning with less than a handful of questions, 3 in this thread. It’s time for people to feel discomfort. Significant progress has almost never been achieved by making the status quo feel comfortable. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cripple Creek Posted June 12, 2020 Share Posted June 12, 2020 Just now, Captain Caveman said: If you don't want people to keep assuming you're a racist ####### I'd remove it. There are much better ways of forcing the conversation. Seems like you've dug in though. Good luck with that. Get to know me. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Captain Caveman Posted June 13, 2020 Share Posted June 13, 2020 4 minutes ago, Cripple Creek said: Get to know me. I'm not here enough in the offseason to remember who's who (as I imagine a lot of other folks aren't as well.) Again, if you want to keep correcting people as to your motives, go for it. Seems like there are better ways to handle it IMO. You could just add a Signature that says "Derek Chauvin is a murderer" Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Over 29 years of fanhood Posted June 13, 2020 Share Posted June 13, 2020 50 minutes ago, StHustle said: https://bleacherreport.com/articles/2895823-bills-josh-allen-57-buffalo-police-who-resigned-dont-deserve-to-be-with-unit I totally agree with Josh's position. The police's allegiance is supposed to be to protect and serve their communities FIRST not to stand up for each other. To resign in the middle of the largest scale civil unrest in decades is absolutely reprehensible and imo shows the exact gang mentality police tend to have that cause problems like them not intervening when one of them is clearly doing the wrong thing. I LOVE OUR QB! To me a great trait of a leader is to not shy away from making strong comments even when it could piss off those in authority. Thoughts on our QB making this statement? honestly - If i were a police office I would find a new line of work too. Not because of this situation and the outcome. But... Violence against police is being rationalized and even accepted as a reasonable reaction to that scumbag Minnesota cop and others like him. Id hate to be a white cop in a confrontation with a violent criminal that happens to be black. (And look at the stats, it’s gonna happen) but It’s a no win situation. and I’m not trying to ignite that debate in one more place but that worry alone would have me call it a day and go find another way to Earn a living. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NoSaint Posted June 13, 2020 Share Posted June 13, 2020 10 minutes ago, Cripple Creek said: I’ve had it since the beginning with less than a handful of questions, 3 in this thread. It’s time for people to feel discomfort. I’d say I didn’t get it til you explained it either and even now find it sketchy. the people you are making feel uncomfortable with it are the people on your side. 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Marv's Neighbor Posted June 13, 2020 Share Posted June 13, 2020 Josh needs to walk a mile in their shoes. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Big C Posted June 13, 2020 Share Posted June 13, 2020 Love our QB. Just shave that beard; it's even worse than Andrew Luck's! 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JaCrispy Posted June 13, 2020 Share Posted June 13, 2020 (edited) 2020 is a cursed year...can’t wait til it’s over... Edited June 13, 2020 by JaCrispy 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Augie Posted June 13, 2020 Share Posted June 13, 2020 (edited) 1 hour ago, JaCrispy said: 2020 is cursed year...can’t wait til it’s over... Bills having a Super Bowl season will help, I’m guessing...... Crazy year for sure...... EDITED for the date sensitive crowd. Edited June 13, 2020 by Augie 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saint Doug Posted June 13, 2020 Share Posted June 13, 2020 (edited) 1 hour ago, Michael1962 said: To answer your question, I am happy that our QB said something in a non-PC, non-milquetoast kind of way. At least he is not going to bore anyone to death. I’m disappointed in him. This is not how a leader responds. A true leader would acknowledge both sides, pick a neutral ground, and then look for a way to resolve the situation in a fair way to allow for both sides to progress in a positive way. Allen failed in all respects. Edit: I take this back. I have now listened to what he said instead of just reading the click-bait title and thinking it was truth. I think he has a good head in his shoulders. He’s a leader. Edited June 13, 2020 by Saint Doug 2 5 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BisonMan Posted June 13, 2020 Share Posted June 13, 2020 (edited) 58 minutes ago, Cripple Creek said: I’ve had it since the beginning with less than a handful of questions, 3 in this thread. It’s time for people to feel discomfort. Make it 4...or 5...or 6. This is a nonsense argument for using an avatar that makes it appear you support what happened in Minneapolis. The very fact that you use it makes people recoil and have no desire to "get to know" you. Imagine I use a Confederate Flag as my avatar and expect people to know that it actually means I'm against racism. "Read my posts, I'm the opposite of a racist!" Too late, they've moved on from my moronic presentation of myself. Maybe I'll move on to an image of people in a German concentration camp in the hopes that people somehow understand my boomerang logic that I'm Pro-Israel and not a Nazi. No one's first thought on seeing this is to think, "Wow, he's making a statement about the dangers of police brutality". They just think you're a supporter of this moron. I'm glad you're on the side of right here but please understand that unless you splash "Murderer" across that face, no one will get you're point. P.S. Having a quote from the sadistic prison warden from Cool Hand Luke as you're tagline, further misrepresents your position on this issue...I hope. Edited June 13, 2020 by BisonMan 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nedboy7 Posted June 13, 2020 Share Posted June 13, 2020 15 minutes ago, JaCrispy said: 2020 is a cursed year...can’t wait til it’s over... haha. Buckle up! 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Buffalo_Stampede Posted June 13, 2020 Share Posted June 13, 2020 3 minutes ago, Saint Doug said: I’m disappointed in him. This is not how a leader responds. A true leader would acknowledge both sides, pick a neutral ground, and then look for a way to resolve the situation in a fair way to allow for both sides to progress in a positive way. Allen failed in all respects. I don't think Josh is anti police. Don't make that the narrative. 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Buffalo_Stampede Posted June 13, 2020 Share Posted June 13, 2020 (edited) 21 minutes ago, JaCrispy said: 2020 is a cursed year...can’t wait til it’s over... Mother Nature's about to enter the 2020 chat. 3 minutes ago, Buffalo619 said: I really respected Josh as a person. Not anymore. Sad. Why? What did he do? Please tell me he didn't get arrested or something. Edited June 13, 2020 by Buffalo_Stampede 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Buffalo Boy Posted June 13, 2020 Share Posted June 13, 2020 47 minutes ago, Marv's Neighbor said: Josh needs to walk a mile in their shoes. Josh wouldn’t knock over a guy in his seventies. He just doesn’t strike me as that kind of douche. 3 1 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Warcodered Posted June 13, 2020 Share Posted June 13, 2020 26 minutes ago, Augie said: Bills winning the Super Bowl will help, I’m guessing...... Crazy year for sure...... I mean if they do it the soonest it'd be is in 21. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
first_and_ten Posted June 13, 2020 Share Posted June 13, 2020 1 hour ago, Bangarang said: I respect Allen's right to have an opinion even though I think it's dumb. Funny, you "respect" his right to an opinion, then call it dumb. Then just say you don't respect it. Can't have it both ways my friend!! 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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