Drew Brees: Controversial comments

[1st Ammendment NoMas]

1 hour ago, Hapless Bills Fan said:

 

Maybe he was flat-out attacked for being totally tone-deaf to issues that hit very very close to home for many of those players. 

 

I would wager that most of them have personally experienced or have family that have personally experienced what they believe to be racial profiling or racially biased policing.  A number may have lost friends to same. 

 

Wealth and privilege don't protect - the wife of a HOF retired football player once told me she was scared when my kid and her kid were out doing friend things late at night (movies, fast food, etc).  My kid is white.  She was concerned certain police would pull them over and cause injury to her kid because he was with a white kid.  It's not for me to tell her her fears were mistaken, though thankfully nothing happened.

 

I agree with most of what you said. Here's my big problem. Too many groups and individuals are using this as a cover to commit criminal acts, defame private and public property, hurt and kill innocent civilians and destroy business owners trying to protect their property. They feel justified to steal from anyone, anytime, anywhere under the guise of some movement.

The police are now paralyzed to enforce laws and protect people. Look at NYC, I saw phone video yesterday of mobs of people jumping out of cars in traffic in broad daylight to run into a Nike store and steal. The mob smashed all the windows and cleaned out the store. With no police in sight, everyone in the neighborhood jumped in, taking what they wanted.  Compound this with setting these businesses ablaze and beating or even killing anyone trying to stop them and we have multiple felony crimes.  Now we top it off with celebrities bailing the criminals out. Are we saying that this is the right thing to do. 

 

It's not healthy protest, it's a cover to commit felonies without repercussion,  destroy the economy, enforce curfews, create shutdowns and further damage and it will cripple the NFL and any sport relying on large public gatherings. 

 

Imagine being at a Bills game, the anthem plays and some kneel while others stand. Suddenly, the field is then overrun by the fans. They begin assaulting any player not kneeling. They  rush to concession stands, attacking the servers, while helping themselves to anything they want, including looting all the cash registers. They rip out the goalposts and tear up the field. They set fire to the the restrooms, then begin burning the stadium. Police are helpless to take any lethal force to stop the madness and we find out later that 50 innocent people died in the stadium. 

 

It sounds like a horror movie, but that is where this will escalate too if it goes unchecked. I'm all for peaceful resolution and curbing police violence against innocent civilians of any race. But I am not for neutering civic response and duty to serve and protect our citizens. Until these groups of demonstrators can separate themselves from the mayhem, they do not deserve public support.  

Edited June 4, 2020 by BillsRdue

[BillsDude]

29 minutes ago, LB3 said:

What part of his response did he state that those that kneel are beneath him?

 

You must be joking? Throughout his intire quote he stated AND Suggested the others were being "disrespectful." That certainly implies he thinks he is on moral high ground for his feelings, views and actions. That thus implies those others are beneath him. That is why he apologized.  

[Buddo]

3 minutes ago, MJS said:

So you are saying those who join the military don't make that choice beforehand? They don't understand what they are doing?

 

I disagree. I think they do know what they are doing and they choose to join often because they want to protect our freedoms.

 

I wish I could believe in the degree of altruism, you want to associate with people who decide to join armed forces.

 

While I'm sure there will be some who do so out of the desire to protect and serve, particularly in times of conflict, I would think that there are a far greater number who do so for other more mundane reasons, especially economic ones.

 

Note that I am referencing contemporary times, not historic ones, where in both World Wars, even when conscripted, many would have believed they were doing the right thing.

[Rocbillsfan1]

Just now, MJS said:

So you are saying those who join the military don't make that choice beforehand? They don't understand what they are doing?

 

I disagree. I think they do know what they are doing and they choose to join often because they want to protect our freedoms.

Our freedoms that the govt has been taking away while proclaiming to be fighting for them half a world away? Lol you’re hilarious. Also the military has a much higher percentage of people of color in it compared to the general population, why is that? Seems to me it’s because people of color have fewer options for advancements and education when they become adults so they use the military as a way to get what they are looking for. This institution is just another in the many that is built on a form of systematic racism that gives people less options in order to persuade them into doing the will of the powerful. So please don’t preach to us that this is about freedom. 

[LB3]

5 minutes ago, Happy said:

 

Who says no one can disagree with what Brees said?  He didn't...I didn't...no one else I saw said that.  What I do disagree with is people telling Brees to pipe down and silence him.  That is what it all came down to.  I totally disagree with that.

 

See how what works?  A completely misguided second paragraph?  Most players don't have a problem with standing for 30 seconds to honor the country that gives them the opportunity they have on game day, as well as the amount of money they are paid.  The ones that can't should try going to China or Venezuela; I have a feeling their outlook will change in a hurry.

LeBron and Steve Kerr are very outspoken about human rights. Until you ask about China. ??

[teef]

9 minutes ago, Billl said:

Pretty sure you don’t sign up to only fight for causes you believe in.  You sign up to do what you’re told.

people go into the military only because they want to be told what to do?  something about this doesn't seem right.

[1st Ammendment NoMas]

1 minute ago, Reader said:

 

Made it to page two before someone made it about politics, not bad.

That's not even political, just a fact about how Brees was attacked with foul language and rage when his comment was neutral and not derogatory against any person or any specific race. Yet he is called out as racist by the media and other players.  

[ColoradoBills]

28 minutes ago, whatdrought said:

 

If companies want to tell their employees not to make political statements in their building, while wearing their uniform, that's their right. 

 

2 hours ago, billrooter said:

But the timing of those protests is what I disagree with not the protests themselves.

 

The fans in the stands have the right to stand or kneel or go get a beer and visit the "troughs" while the anthem is playing.

Drew Brees has a right to his opinion and others have a right to comment on his opinions.

 

As a business the NFL has a right to determine what it's employees will or won't do.  This is now what the issue is.

The NFL "chooses" to play the National Anthem at it's games.  It doesn't have to, but if it does it needs to decide what to do about

employees kneeling.  It would behoove the owners to once and for all come up with their employees "code of conduct" before the

season starts.  It's not any easy decision due to the fact that many of its employees may not agree with them.

 

Personally, as a vet who swore to defend the constitution which gives the right to protest I have no issues with a player/coach/whoever "taking a knee"

but that goes deep into what I think this country is all about.

 

Edited June 4, 2020 by ColoradoBills

[whatdrought]

2 minutes ago, ColoradoBills said:

 

 

The fans in the stands have the right to stand or kneel or go get a beer and visit the "troughs" while the anthem is playing.

Drew Brees has a right to his opinion and others have a right to comment on his opinions.

 

As a business the NFL has a right to determine what it's employees will or won't do.  This is now what is issue is.

The NFL "chooses" to play the National Anthem at it's games.  It doesn't have to, but if it does it needs to decide what to do about

employees kneeling.  It would behoove the owners to once and for all come up with their employees "code of conduct" before the

season starts.  It's not any easy decision due to the fact that many of its employees may not agree with them.

 

Personally, as a vet who swore to defend the constitution which gives the right to protest I have no issues with a player/coach/whoever "taking a knee"

but that goes deep into what I think this country is all about.

 

 

Yup. I never got behind the "he's insulting america!" jargon. I think it's intentionally disrespectful, but I respect his right to do that if he chooses. I also respect the right of a team to tell him no, or to think twice before signing him as the juice may not be worth the squeeze regarding off field concerns. 

[Reader]

2 minutes ago, BillsRdue said:

That's not even political, just a fact about how Brees was attacked with foul language and rage when his comment was neutral and not derogatory against any person or any specific race. Yet he is called out as racist by the media and other players.  

 

I mean had you not included the term, "liberal line" I'd agree. If you had used something like, "PC line" or "the line others seem to want" I think it wouldn't be political at all.

[Rocbillsfan1]

15 minutes ago, Jaraxxus said:

 

What?

 

Vietnam, Cambodia, Korea, Cuba, Central America, Libya, Iraq, Afghanistan, etc all under the guise of protecting American freedom lol. How much freer am I because of all those wars and trillions of dollars spent and millions of innocent people that were killed that were caught in the crossfire? Don’t worry this will be my last post in this thread I can see the fragile don’t want to be challenged into thinking critically. 

Edited June 4, 2020 by Rocbillsfan1

[LB3]

1 minute ago, BillsDude said:

 

You must be joking? Throughout his intire quote he stated AND Suggested the others were being "disrespectful." That certainly implies he thinks he is on moral high ground for his feelings, views and actions. That thus implies those others are beneath him. That is why he apologized.  

I'm quite serious. He believes it's disrespectful and doesn't agree with it. You FEEL that his belief makes him think he's above them. People disagree with other people that they respect pretty often.

[Kirby Jackson]

3 minutes ago, ColoradoBills said:

 

 

The fans in the stands have the right to stand or kneel or go get a beer and visit the "troughs" while the anthem is playing.

Drew Brees has a right to his opinion and others have a right to comment on his opinions.

 

As a business the NFL has a right to determine what it's employees will or won't do.  This is now what the issue is.

The NFL "chooses" to play the National Anthem at it's games.  It doesn't have to, but if it does it needs to decide what to do about

employees kneeling.  It would behoove the owners to once and for all come up with their employees "code of conduct" before the

season starts.  It's not any easy decision due to the fact that many of its employees may not agree with them.

 

Personally, as a vet who swore to defend the constitution which gives the right to protest I have no issues with a player/coach/whoever "taking a knee"

but that goes deep into what I think this country is all about.

 

The hardest part is that all of the rules are collectively bargained. Part of the reason that the NBA and NBAPA have such a better relationship is because they develop the plans together. It isn’t a bunch of owners and then a union sending proposals back and forth. They engage in the process to come up with something that both sides can agree on. The NFL ABSOLUTELY has to take that approach on this subject (especially now). They were crushed the other day for releasing that statement while acting differently. If they could address the issue TOGETHER it would be infinitely more impactful. But alas...

[Hapless Bills Fan]

17 minutes ago, BillsRdue said:

 

I agree with most of what you said. Here's my big problem. Too many groups and individuals are using this as a cover to commit criminal acts, defame private and public property, hurt and kill innocent civilians and destroy business owners trying to protect their property. They feel justified to steal from anyone, anytime, anywhere under the guise of some movement.

The police are now paralyzed to enforce laws and protect people. Look at NYC, I saw phone video yesterday of mobs of people jumping out of cars in traffic in broad daylight to run into a Nike store and steal. The mob smashed all the windows and cleaned out the store. With no police in sight, everyone in the neighborhood jumped in, taking what they wanted.  Compound this with setting these businesses ablaze and beating or even killing anyone trying to stop them and we have multiple felony crimes.  Now we top it off with celebrities bailing the criminals out. Are we saying that this is the right thing to do. 

 

It's not healthy protest, it's a cover to commit felonies without repercussion,  destroy the economy, enforce curfews, create shutdowns and further damage and it will cripple the NFL and any sport relying on large public gatherings. 

 

Imagine being at a Bills game, the anthem plays and some kneel while others stand. Suddenly, the field is then overrun by the fans. They begin assaulting any player not kneeling. They  rush to concession stands, attacking the servers, while helping themselves to anything they want, including looting all the cash registers. They rip out the goalposts and tear up the field. They set fire to the the restrooms, then begin burning the stadium. Police are helpless to take any lethal force to stop the madness and we find out later that 50 innocent people died in the stadium. 

 

It sounds like a horror movie, but that is where this will escalate too if it goes unchecked. I'm all for peaceful resolution and curbing police violence against innocent civilians of any race. But I am not for neutering civic response and duty to serve and protect our citizens. Until these groups of demonstrators can separate themselves from the mayhem, they do not deserve public support.  

 

OK, I guess the hypothetical "Bills game" gives this a football connection, but it seems pretty out there.  I think if fans can't restrain themselves from going on the field and assaulting players, they should stay home and not go to the game. 

 

The problem of peaceful protests being used as a cover for violent acts, theft and destruction is real.  We lived it here in St Louis in 2014 and 2016 and we weren't the first.  But I think discussing that  is too far afield from football and should be taken elsewhere.  I don't think putting in a kind of far fetched analogy to fans running amok at a game really gives it that football relevance or ties it in enough to the topic of Drew Brees comments.

 

[Billl]

14 minutes ago, teef said:

people go into the military only because they want to be told what to do?  something about this doesn't seem right.

No.  They go in for a bunch of reasons.  The second they sign on the dotted line, it makes no difference why they signed up.  They’re doing what they’re told.  Period

[teef]

10 minutes ago, Rocbillsfan1 said:

Our freedoms that the govt has been taking away while proclaiming to be fighting for them half a world away? Lol you’re hilarious. Also the military has a much higher percentage of people of color in it compared to the general population, why is that? Seems to me it’s because people of color have fewer options for advancements and education when they become adults so they use the military as a way to get what they are looking for. This institution is just another in the many that is built on a form of systematic racism that gives people less options in order to persuade them into doing the will of the powerful. So please don’t preach to us that this is about freedom. 

but ultimately it's still a choice.  if someone wants education and advancement, along with pay through the military, they shouldn't be shocked that they may have to follow through with some orders.  the military is a choice.  there are other ways to advance, but the military is a great way of doing it.

[starrymessenger]

Drew Brees is obviously a good man and a great player. I think he did well to clarify his remarks. JMO.

Edited June 4, 2020 by starrymessenger

[teef]

Just now, Billl said:

No.  They go in for a bunch of reasons.  The second they sign on the dotted line, it makes no difference why they signed up.  They’re doing what they’re told.  Period

but who has the gun to their head, telling them to sign up?  it's a choice.  not a single human who signs up for the military thinks they're going to go in and do what they want.  

[Billl]

Just now, teef said:

but who has the gun to their head, telling them to sign up?  it's a choice.  not a single human who signs up for the military thinks they're going to go in and do what they want.  

So then I guess they ARE signing up to do what they’re told.  You’re really talking in circles.

[teef]

Just now, Billl said:

So then I guess they ARE signing up to do what they’re told.  You’re really talking in circles.

i'm really not.  you just don't have any leg to stand on here.

 

they are choosing to sign up.  people do it for many reasons already listed.  they're not doing it for free, correct? the military provides it's personnel with something, (whether it be education or cash) and in return, you follow orders.  this isn't hard.  don't try to make it complicated.

[SlimShady'sSpaceForce]

1 hour ago, BigBillsFan said:

You're right. We shouldn't honor the freedoms we're given where men fought and died for them to watch a game that has no real meaning so a bunch of pampered athletes can lecture the nation how to be American.

 

Honor The Mob or Perish

When they get their way, and when we have meaningful conversations do you think they will stop?

 

Remember this is not about having a "conversation", because if you try you're tone-deaf, lack awareness.  This is a monologue, the same monologue you have to be lectured to and if you think it ends with a flag or an anthem you're wrong.

 

This is the conversation Brees wants, and it's funny because those who say they want one say to shut the F up.

 

It was never about the FLAG. 

 

The Anthem was typically only played at playoff games on for regular season games in some stadiums.

 

Post 911 ...  things changed. We needed to show Patriotism and that came via the Greatest Sport  American football.  

 

[All_Pro_Bills]

49 minutes ago, Kirby Jackson said:

This is the EXACT issue that the other players are having with him. You’ve had 4 years to have these conversations. 4 years later you just indicated that you still have no idea what the grievance was. How is that possible? 

That may be true but that approach doesn't get us any closer to the environment needed for defining constructive solutions to move forward.    

[YoloinOhio]

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Edited June 4, 2020 by YoloinOhio

[Coach Tuesday]

Drew Brees was estranged from his late mother, who was a sitting judge - I believe he got a restraining order against her.  Not really germane to what’s being discussed here other than I always found that story fascinating and left me thinking he was a more complicated individual than his public persona reflected.  He also always struck me as having his eye on a Senatorial bid someday so his remarks should be viewed through that lens as well.

[Ya Digg?]

Where Drew is making his mistake is that he misunderstands WHY people are taking a knee.  I know that people think it is disrespecting the flag and all of that, but if you listen to why they are doing it, it has nothing to do with the flag. At first I was like a lot of people and didn't like that Kaepernick was kneeling until I found out why.  I work in the inner city and the kids have always told me that it was never about the flag.  It is done at that time because then attention gets paid to an issue that is important to them.  The flag is a symbol, and that symbol means different things to different people.  I think we need to get to a point where we aren't offended by a person's choice of what they do for the anthem.  In most situations, kneeling is a sign of respect

[eball]

The fact that anyone still believes the silent NFL player protests during the anthem were about the flag or the military just saddens me.

[Hapless Bills Fan]

1 hour ago, BigBillsFan said:

It's a sad day when a man says he wants to honor his flag and country and loves the national anthem and he's labeled a bigot, ill-timed, racist, and weak and then players tell him to shut the F up.

 

Only 1 voice should count, only one sentiment should be in the air. Any deviations in orthodoxy will make you hated, and the media and social media will sick it's mob on you to conform or apologize or lose your sponsors because you know they will attack your living.

 

Leadership is doing and saying what other people AREN'T doing because it's true. Leadership is not following the mob.

 

Please stop.  First off, that is not what Drew Brees said.  Here it is:

 

He didn't say he wants to "honor his flag and country and loves the national anthem".  He said anyone kneeling is "disrespecting the flag or our country". 
Those are NOT the same statements.  The one is about what HE wants to do.  The second is voicing his opinion about what OTHER people might do. 

So first of all you are twisting his actual words to fit your narrative, and then expanding it to make some grand point about orthodoxy and only one view.

 

There is irony here, because isn't the viewpoint that Kaep taking a knee was about "disrespecting the flag" or "disrespecting our country" Just That Same Thing - the stance that only one viewpoint (the viewpoint that kneeling = disrespect of flag and of country) should count or be in the air?

 

 

[Billl]

4 minutes ago, LB3 said:

Do you have a job to support yourself and your family or do you have a job just so you can do what you're told?

I can quit my job the second they tell me to do something I don’t want to do.  My job doesn’t have the ability to imprison me.

[LB3]

2 minutes ago, teef said:

so this isn't just me?

Not at all.

[teef]

Just now, Billl said:

I can quit my job the second they tell me to do something I don’t want to do.  My job doesn’t have the ability to imprison me.

people don't know about the terms of service before they sign up?

 

it would probably just be better if you admitted your comment was a bit off, and just move on.  

[Malazan]

Players should just shut up and entertain me. It's like they don't even know they should just go into their locker when not entertaining me and take whatever dregs I decide they should have...and if I, a fat, balding middle aged white man decide I want them to stop breathing..they should hold their breathe until they pass out and then, keep holding it until they die. 

 

That is a much better alternative than me feeling uncomfortable about people who's only worth as human being is providing me with entertainment. 

[ColoradoBills]

7 minutes ago, whatdrought said:

 

Yup. I never got behind the "he's insulting america!" jargon. I think it's intentionally disrespectful, but I respect his right to do that if he chooses. I also respect the right of a team to tell him no, or to think twice before signing him as the juice may not be worth the squeeze regarding off field concerns. 

 

Yes, and I would imagine that most of those off field concerns boil down to money.  I don't envy their predicament and I would assume they

don't even agree as to the proper path themselves. 

3 minutes ago, Kirby Jackson said:

The hardest part is that all of the rules are collectively bargained. Part of the reason that the NBA and NBAPA have such a better relationship is because they develop the plans together. It isn’t a bunch of owners and then a union sending proposals back and forth. They engage in the process to come up with something that both sides can agree on. The NFL ABSOLUTELY has to take that approach on this subject (especially now). They were crushed the other day for releasing that statement while acting differently. If they could address the issue TOGETHER it would be infinitely more impactful. But alas...

 

So what is needed is a compromise.  But alas... that's unfortunately become a word not even considered anymore in this country about a lot of issues.

 

The NFL has wrapped itself up in patriotism and the military which I never quite understood.  I see no problem if they "embrace" themselves with the other aspects of

citizenship and allow "solemn" protest.  Probably not a popular compromise for many but then again I show my patriotism by flying the flag and

attending National Holiday events.  I don't need to hear the National Anthem when I go to the movies and I don't NEED to hear it when I attend a sporting event.

FWIW.

[H2o]

It think everyone is entitled to their opinion. Everyone can kneel, stand, salute, cover their heart, do whatever they want during the anthem. I know a lot of light is being placed on racial prejudice at this time, but it goes many different ways. Not all of us were raised in what would be considered the suburbs. In the city/neighborhood I grew up in, black people would pick one or two white people out at the HS football games to jump when the game was over seemingly every week. Seen a lot of fights and had to run for my life a couple of times even though I never said anything to anyone except my friends while I was there. They would also walk home in groups throwing rocks at people's cars or homes breaking windows. If you walked through the wrong neighborhood then you were more than likely going to get your  whooped, didn't matter if you kept your mouth shut or not. There were just certain places you knew NOT to go. Even in all of this, a lot of my best friends I have ever had in life are Hispanic and Black to this day. I didn't let it change who I was or how I treated people. I have also had cops run up on me on some crazy mess numerous times. I was profiled all the time because of my age and the car I drove at one point, even being white. They automatically assume things when they look at you. One time I even had like 10 cops run up on me at a Walgreens when I had my 8 year old, 6 year old, and the family dog when we were just out to get a few things all over some recently expired tags and an insurance gap that got my license suspended I wasn't even aware of. The same cops had been in my front yard a week before and never mentioned it KNOWING that they knew it then, but never told me. There is a long story behind how that all played out. I got everything squared away before the court date and all the tickets were thrown out. The head cop over the situation was HEATED and told me "you live in a small city". I still got love for the police. My cousin is a good cop, but not all of them are and he will admit that. My point in all of this is we are all just trying to make it through life the best we can, no matter the race or tax bracket. The same light afforded to one, should be afforded to all. 

[Coach Tuesday]

2 minutes ago, eball said:

The fact that anyone still believes the silent NFL player protests during the anthem were about the flag or the military just saddens me.

“Peaceful protests against police brutality” vs. “disrespecting the flag” has become the new “line in the sand” in the ongoing (and frankly, utterly exhausting) culture war.  No one is actually listening to what the other side is saying.  There are hypocrites among both sides of the issues: many in the “pro-Flag” contingent are fine looking the other way while other sacred symbols (like the Bible, for example) are co-opted and disrespected by leaders they agree with.  On the other side, telling the “pro-Flag” folks not to express their views at all (“Brees should just shut up”) seems incredibly counterproductive and at odds with freedom of expression. And then there’s the lurking racism motivating SOME of the “pro-Flag” contingency, which is intentionally frustrating in that it’s hidden - it’s like the Hawaiian shirt thing, it’s a subtle and seemingly inoffensive expression that is intended to signal to like-minded folks that they’re on the same team.  
 

Again, it’s all incredibly exhausting, and the internet has made it worse - no one ever changes their mind or truly listens. I just want to watch football.

[badassgixxer05]

6 minutes ago, eball said:

The fact that anyone still believes the silent NFL player protests during the anthem were about the flag or the military just saddens me.

That was never the point. Everyone knows why they are kneeling and its meaning. Some just took offense that they chose to do it in a time that most Americans take pride in which is our flag. Do the kneel at the coin flip, or at kick off or any other time during the game. The national anthem should have been off limits. Players should have noticed and made this adjustment. Good Message, just bad delivery. 

[BillsDude]

31 minutes ago, LB3 said:

I'm quite serious. He believes it's disrespectful and doesn't agree with it. You FEEL that his belief makes him think he's above them. People disagree with other people that they respect pretty often.

 

Yes people "CAN" disagree and respect someone at the same time, but Brees did not do this. He said and suggested the others were showing disrespect because of their views and actions regarding the flag. That is disrespecting them by putting feelings into their mouths. Had he wanted to show respect, he could have just stated his position and what the flag meant to him, but said those who disagreed were not necessarily disrespecting the flag as they are entitled to their own views. 

[NoSaint]

12 minutes ago, Ya Digg? said:

Where Drew is making his mistake is that he misunderstands WHY people are taking a knee.  I know that people think it is disrespecting the flag and all of that, but if you listen to why they are doing it, it has nothing to do with the flag. At first I was like a lot of people and didn't like that Kaepernick was kneeling until I found out why.  I work in the inner city and the kids have always told me that it was never about the flag.  It is done at that time because then attention gets paid to an issue that is important to them.  The flag is a symbol, and that symbol means different things to different people.  I think we need to get to a point where we aren't offended by a person's choice of what they do for the anthem.  In most situations, kneeling is a sign of respect

no he gets it and he’s been through this before. 
 

where he gets it wrong is thinking his opinion on what other people should be doing is more valuable than it really is.

[Kirby Jackson]

17 minutes ago, All_Pro_Bills said:

That may be true but that approach doesn't get us any closer to the environment needed for defining constructive solutions to move forward.    

That’s the outrage though. 4 years later you just indicated that you don’t understand the issue any better than you did at the time. We certainly can’t move forward if in 4 years you don’t take one step or ask one question. This has been a time where he could talk and listen. No one is asking him to take a knee. They are asking him to understand their outrage. In order to do that you have to talk and listen. 

[Hapless Bills Fan]

1 hour ago, K-9 said:

All I have to say is, Joe D was right about Drew Brees. 

 

What was Joe D's viewpoint on Drew Brees?

[Kirby Jackson]

16 minutes ago, Coach Tuesday said:

Drew Brees was estranged from his late mother, who was a sitting judge - I believe he got a restraining order against her.  Not really germane to what’s being discussed here other than I always found that story fascinating and left me thinking he was a more complicated individual than his public persona reflected.  He also always struck me as having his eye on a Senatorial bid someday so his remarks should be viewed through that lens as well.

I was going to post that story with a gif of someone pouring gas on a fire, lol. I decided to not be “that guy.”