GreggTX Posted June 3, 2020 Share Posted June 3, 2020 (edited) They would be incredibly stupid to release Ford before giving him a shot at RG. Kroft is an average TE. Until someone proves that they are any better than that, there's no reason to release him. Edited June 3, 2020 by GreggTX Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LABILLBACKER Posted June 3, 2020 Share Posted June 3, 2020 10 hours ago, RoyBatty is alive said: He did look like a rookie out there, esp at tackle but they wanted him badly, traded up to get him. I think he can play Guard and maybe will be able to over time develop into a quality T. I think they keep him. They won't dump Ford yet as I see them moving him to RG. It wouldn't shock me to see Hauschka dealt. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NewEra Posted June 3, 2020 Share Posted June 3, 2020 2 hours ago, Kwai San said: OK.... I'll play along......WHO is going to step in to replace him????? Who is this mythical beast who will take over this spot that no one but perhaps you know about??? I was saying this during the season, before free agency and before the draft. He’s not a mythical beast, but I was really hoping that we’d sign Rick Wagner. He signed 2 years 11 mill. I would’ve offered him 2 years up to 15 mill. I would’ve liked to take a stab at Josh Jones, prince tego wanagho, Bartch, Cleveland, niang or Peart in the draft. daryl williams is still young. He played fire last year, but I thought he was terrible there. Maybe Beane brought him in to compete with nsekhe and ford for RT? I think that’s up to Williams. If he can return to form, maybe he’s our guy. Free agents include1 kelvin beachum, Demar Dotson and former bills Cordy Glenn and jason Peters. I don’t think there any way we sign those guys unless someone gets hurt Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GunnerBill Posted June 3, 2020 Share Posted June 3, 2020 12 hours ago, dorquemada said: If anyone can pull any of that off it would be Beane, but Foster & McKenzie in particular are legends in Buffalo only. There's a hundred guys like them bagging groceries There are a hundred guys like Duke waiting in line for a grocery bagging job.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GunnerBill Posted June 3, 2020 Share Posted June 3, 2020 (edited) 1 hour ago, NewEra said: I was saying this during the season, before free agency and before the draft. He’s not a mythical beast, but I was really hoping that we’d sign Rick Wagner. He signed 2 years 11 mill. I would’ve offered him 2 years up to 15 mill. I would’ve liked to take a stab at Josh Jones, prince tego wanagho, Bartch, Cleveland, niang or Peart in the draft. daryl williams is still young. He played fire last year, but I thought he was terrible there. Maybe Beane brought him in to compete with nsekhe and ford for RT? I think that’s up to Williams. If he can return to form, maybe he’s our guy. Free agents include1 kelvin beachum, Demar Dotson and former bills Cordy Glenn and jason Peters. I don’t think there any way we sign those guys unless someone gets hurt If Williams is anything like the 2015-2017 version of the player and it is a genuine competition he wins the job. Dude was a former 2nd team all pro at right tackle. Not in the Lane Johnson, La'el Collins, Jack Conklin group but in that next bunch with Bulaga and Wagner etc. Last year he didn't play a single game in his true position. They played him left tackle, and both guard spots. He is a pure right tackle IMO. Edited June 3, 2020 by GunnerBill 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BillsNutHawaii Posted June 3, 2020 Share Posted June 3, 2020 Tre White and Jerry Hughes. If you’re not tracking the rationale here, see the other TBD post entitled, “Tre White calling out coach.” Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Forward Progress Posted June 3, 2020 Share Posted June 3, 2020 I’ve seen a few posts predicting that WR’s will be traded. While it’s clear to see that some receivers on last year’s roster won’t make the team, many teams have added WR’s in this draft that was so deep in receivers. It’s just a position that will be in over supply this year, making it a hard to trade position. Beane will trade one of our surplus O-linemen again as we have plenty of depth, while other teams are always looking for help there. On defence, it’s a tougher call. I don’t think that Murphy gets traded, as he seemed to get better later in the last season, but we have plenty of depth on the D-line, so this seems like the position group that’s most likely. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Call_Of_Ktulu Posted June 3, 2020 Share Posted June 3, 2020 15 hours ago, RoyBatty is alive said: Our Kicker Hauschka, guy is great but boy it is tough to justify the $8 million for the next two season. There is a reason why we drafted that kicker. I would like to get something for one of our TEs (not Knox) as we have way too many right now. If we could get a bag of salted peanuts and a nickel for Croom I would do a back flip. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
eball Posted June 3, 2020 Share Posted June 3, 2020 15 hours ago, freddyjj said: Hauschka Long EJ Gaines Yeldon Those are my candidates That’s a pretty good list, although I don’t think they will be able to unload Hauschka’s salary and if he loses out to the rookie they’ll simply release him. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BarleyNY Posted June 3, 2020 Share Posted June 3, 2020 8 hours ago, GreggTX said: They would be incredibly stupid to release Ford before giving him a shot at RG. Kroft is an average TE. Until someone proves that they are any better than that, there's no reason to release him. Agree on Ford. People are getting way ahead of themselves. He was a rookie last year. Give him a chance to develop. Maybe he will and maybe he won’t, but give him a chance. As for Kroft, he was a horrible signing with a ridiculous contract. We’re pretty much stuck with him for 2020 though. Let’s hope he at least sees the field. Knox had some flashes, but I’m not sold on him yet either. He’s a lot like Ford though. Sophomore season in 2020. Let’s see how he develops. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr. WEO Posted June 3, 2020 Share Posted June 3, 2020 10 hours ago, NoSaint said: barkley was available mid season and hasn’t really added to his resume. Webb’s story isn’t much better. I have a hard time seeing either considered. One of them is going to be cut so that renders both untradeable. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AlCowlingsTaxiService Posted June 3, 2020 Share Posted June 3, 2020 My guess would be a guy like McKenzie, who has shown he can play in the league but isn’t any kind of difference maker Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DrDawkinstein Posted June 3, 2020 Share Posted June 3, 2020 12 hours ago, Happy said: While that would be nice, the 1-techs right now are Star and Harry. Star is a known quantity, Harry not so much since he only rotated in during his rookie season and missed all of last season. In addition, Star just re-worked his contract which goes through 2021, I believe. He certainly won't be cut since that would be cap prohibitive. Star (and Murphy) are here this year. And Butler, no? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Happy Posted June 3, 2020 Share Posted June 3, 2020 12 minutes ago, DrDawkinstein said: And Butler, no? That's right. He's another acquisition from Carolina, so a known quantity. The staff is probably factoring in Butler and Star getting the most rotation since they don't know a lot about Harry at this time. I don't know a lot about Butler, but hope he is better at the position than Star is. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Florida Bills Fanatic Posted June 3, 2020 Share Posted June 3, 2020 Most of these guys have exactly zero trade value unless a team gets hit by injuries and is desperate. Beane has shown that he will be prepared and will move quickly if the opportunity is available. There is a big shortage of decent o-linemen around the league and I expect at least one of them to get a chance elsewhere. Wide receivers and running backs are widely available and I don't expect any team to make a trade when comparable players are currently free agents. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DrDawkinstein Posted June 3, 2020 Share Posted June 3, 2020 10 minutes ago, Happy said: That's right. He's another acquisition from Carolina, so a known quantity. The staff is probably factoring in Butler and Star getting the most rotation since they don't know a lot about Harry at this time. I don't know a lot about Butler, but hope he is better at the position than Star is. I'm not sure whether Harry or Butler is the bigger unknown right now, but I guess at least Beane has hedged his bets. Butler has been an absolute bust in Carolina. Hoping Buffalo is the change of scenery he needs to resurrect his career (a la Jordan Phillips), but I'm not counting on it. 2 minutes ago, Florida Bills Fanatic said: Most of these guys have exactly zero trade value unless a team gets hit by injuries and is desperate. Beane has shown that he will be prepared and will move quickly if the opportunity is available. There is a big shortage of decent o-linemen around the league and I expect at least one of them to get a chance elsewhere. Wide receivers and running backs are widely available and I don't expect any team to make a trade when comparable players are currently free agents. Yep. The value (even just to get a 5th or 6th) is in the trenches. Either O-line or D-line. As it stands we should have extra bodies at both, and that is where Beane has made these trades previously (OL). I'd be surprised if they shipped off any DL players due to the way we rotate. But we should have 1 or 2 extra OL, and maaaaybe 1 DL that could be moved. And that DL could even be Harrison Phillips since he's easiest to move on a rookie contract. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dorquemada Posted June 3, 2020 Share Posted June 3, 2020 11 hours ago, Kwai San said: OK.... I'll play along......WHO is going to step in to replace him????? Who is this mythical beast who will take over this spot that no one but perhaps you know about??? No, you see, because a rookie didn't play like a vet all pro, we have to get rid of him because having nobody is better than having a guy that played solid C+ ball and has lots of room to grow. In fact, we should trade him and next year's 1st round pick to somebody for a journeyman WR just to seal the deal 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
freddyjj Posted June 3, 2020 Share Posted June 3, 2020 (edited) 1 hour ago, DrDawkinstein said: I'm not sure whether Harry or Butler is the bigger unknown right now, but I guess at least Beane has hedged his bets. Butler has been an absolute bust in Carolina. Hoping Buffalo is the change of scenery he needs to resurrect his career (a la Jordan Phillips), but I'm not counting on it. His year last year looks strong. 6 sacks, 3 FF, 8 QB hits, & 7 tackles for loss. And he was platooning there too. Game Game Def Fumb Fumb Tack Tack Tack Tack Tack Year Age Tm G GS Lng FF FR Sk Comb Solo Ast TFL QBHits AV 2019 25 CAR 14 9 3 0 6.0 32 22 10 7 8 4 hours ago, eball said: That’s a pretty good list, although I don’t think they will be able to unload Hauschka’s salary and if he loses out to the rookie they’ll simply release him. All the guys on the list are targets for teams if their projected starter goes down. Hauschka could be valuable if a good team had a PK get hurt Edited June 3, 2020 by freddyjj Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dont Stop Billeiving Posted June 3, 2020 Share Posted June 3, 2020 He doesn't have league-wide name recognition by any means, but a smart team would trade a pick for Darryl Johnson if he isn't able to make our roster. He's a solid four-phase special teamer already and I thought he played well in limited opportunities at DE in 2019. He has some plus physical traits you can't teach and is still pretty raw with untapped potential. I'm hoping he sticks on our roster, but with our depth at D-line, he could be the odd man out potentially and he's worth a late round draft pick IMO. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DrDawkinstein Posted June 3, 2020 Share Posted June 3, 2020 (edited) 37 minutes ago, freddyjj said: His year last year looks strong. 6 sacks, 3 FF, 8 QB hits, & 7 tackles for loss. And he was platooning there too. Game Game Def Fumb Fumb Tack Tack Tack Tack Tack Year Age Tm G GS Lng FF FR Sk Comb Solo Ast TFL QBHits AV 2019 25 CAR 14 9 3 0 6.0 32 22 10 7 8 He's a former 1st round pick in his 4th season and contract year and he managed to finally muster up stats that are basically on par with Oliver's rookie season. He didn't even make the same amount of improvement that Shaq did. Plus, I believe he already has an off-field incident on his record. I certainly hope he is able to turn it around and flourish in a new setting and back under McD, but I'm not expecting too much. Edited June 3, 2020 by DrDawkinstein Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chandler#81 Posted June 3, 2020 Share Posted June 3, 2020 21 hours ago, Buffalo Timmy said: I think I made it pretty clear- pick one on each side of ball. If you can't follow my rules I don't want you to play.? When a grown man named Timmy talks trash, the world trembles. 19 hours ago, njbuff said: He got Jim Kelly killed his first year as a starter, but he turned ok. ? Yeah, but.. He was a rookie in ‘87. He blocked a crucial fg vs NYJ in an OT thriller in ‘88 that eventually became our 1st Division Title. He finally got to start in ‘89 and that’s when he whiffed on a block @ Indy, knocking Jimbo out for 3 weeks. The ‘Bickering Bills’ were born that day, though Reich was a perfect 3-0 in relief. These were pre-free agency days with 11 rounds of Draft. You could stow away prospects for a few years. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JohnBonhamRocks Posted June 3, 2020 Share Posted June 3, 2020 (edited) 16 hours ago, NoSaint said: barkley was available mid season and hasn’t really added to his resume. Webb’s story isn’t much better. I have a hard time seeing either considered. I hear that, but also know Beane has gotten #65 overall for Taylor & a 5th round pick for McCarron. All he really needs is for Barkley/Webb to show well during camp and/or preseason and some other team’s QB1 or QB2 to get injured. 23 hours ago, dorquemada said: If anyone can pull any of that off it would be Beane, but Foster & McKenzie in particular are legends in Buffalo only. There's a hundred guys like them bagging groceries Not saying they’re any sort of slam dunk trades, but to your point re: Beane, he got picks for Teller, Newhouse, & Bodine. Even that 5th for Zay Jones is looking pretty nice. Edited June 3, 2020 by JohnBonhamRocks Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DJB Posted June 3, 2020 Share Posted June 3, 2020 Mckenzie to the Patriots for a 5th. Then hes cut by the Pat's before week 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cba fan Posted June 4, 2020 Share Posted June 4, 2020 On 6/2/2020 at 2:42 PM, RoyBatty is alive said: Yup. Cody going to have to pick it up this year if he wants to stay, esp if he got to tackle full time I though Zay Jones was a good pick obviously they did great by getting anything for him in trade. Strange how he was considered to have great hands in college and in the pros he didn't. https://www.ozy.com/the-new-and-the-next/when-football-players-go-pro-their-balls-get-bigger/90091/ this is something i kinda of forgot over the years. I wonder if this is a problem? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kwai San Posted June 4, 2020 Share Posted June 4, 2020 19 hours ago, NewEra said: I was saying this during the season, before free agency and before the draft. He’s not a mythical beast, but I was really hoping that we’d sign Rick Wagner. He signed 2 years 11 mill. I would’ve offered him 2 years up to 15 mill. I would’ve liked to take a stab at Josh Jones, prince tego wanagho, Bartch, Cleveland, niang or Peart in the draft. daryl williams is still young. He played fire last year, but I thought he was terrible there. Maybe Beane brought him in to compete with nsekhe and ford for RT? I think that’s up to Williams. If he can return to form, maybe he’s our guy. Free agents include1 kelvin beachum, Demar Dotson and former bills Cordy Glenn and jason Peters. I don’t think there any way we sign those guys unless someone gets hurt SO bottom line......no one. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
freddyjj Posted June 4, 2020 Share Posted June 4, 2020 10 hours ago, DrDawkinstein said: He's a former 1st round pick in his 4th season and contract year and he managed to finally muster up stats that are basically on par with Oliver's rookie season. He didn't even make the same amount of improvement that Shaq did. Plus, I believe he already has an off-field incident on his record. I certainly hope he is able to turn it around and flourish in a new setting and back under McD, but I'm not expecting too much. Only issue was in game ejection. https://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2019/12/23/vernon-butler-apologizes-for-ejection-flipping-the-bird/ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NewEra Posted June 4, 2020 Share Posted June 4, 2020 On 6/2/2020 at 12:42 PM, dorquemada said: I really don't get the Ford hate. You guys would have gotten rid of House Ballard after his rookie year too I expect On 6/2/2020 at 3:06 PM, NewEra said: I don’t think it’s hate, at least not from me. I just don’t think he’s an adequate RT for a potential super bowl team. Especially our team, with Josh Allen at QB. All based on his play year one. He will improve in year 2, but how much will he improve? That’s the question. If it takes him 2-3 more years to become a good RT, I’d rather trade him now. I truly believe this team will have it’s best chance to win the next 2 years. If our RT isn’t adequate those 2 years, I think it’ll be a big mistake. On 6/2/2020 at 7:58 PM, Kwai San said: OK.... I'll play along......WHO is going to step in to replace him????? Who is this mythical beast who will take over this spot that no one but perhaps you know about??? 21 hours ago, NewEra said: I was saying this during the season, before free agency and before the draft. He’s not a mythical beast, but I was really hoping that we’d sign Rick Wagner. He signed 2 years 11 mill. I would’ve offered him 2 years up to 15 mill. I would’ve liked to take a stab at Josh Jones, prince tego wanagho, Bartch, Cleveland, niang or Peart in the draft. daryl williams is still young. He played fire last year, but I thought he was terrible there. Maybe Beane brought him in to compete with nsekhe and ford for RT? I think that’s up to Williams. If he can return to form, maybe he’s our guy. Free agents include1 kelvin beachum, Demar Dotson and former bills Cordy Glenn and jason Peters. I don’t think there any way we sign those guys unless someone gets hurt 2 hours ago, Kwai San said: SO bottom line......no one. What are you looking for? Did you actually read my first post? Someone was talking about Ford hate. I told him I didn’t think it’s hate and then continued to tell him why. then you chime in and “play along”. Play along with what exactly? Implying that I said there was someone we could bring in that was better. I did nothing of the sort. What game did I want to play when I said that I’m worried about Ford? If you’re not worried about ford, you didn’t watch him enough. It looks like the Daryl Williams/Ty Nsekhe combo is the bottom line to your question in 2020. If they can’t take the spot away from him, it’ll be his. Let’s hope he improves Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bleeding Bills Blue Posted June 4, 2020 Share Posted June 4, 2020 A factor i hadn't thought about... there will be far less revenue this season if they decide to play without fans. The cap's probably going down in 2021, so to me that seems likely that teams try and create space this season to drag into next season since estimates are saying it could be as much as 30 million lower. Murphy+long (cheap replacements), and even norman/hauschka (if they don't beat out wallace/bass) seem like possible cuts to try and target that 30 million-ish amount to drag into 2021. Barkley (fromm/webb) and roberts (mckenzie and mccloud) are cheap enough that i think they could get moved for late round picks. I'd also consider harrison phillips in a tough spot as well from a playing time perspective. He's under contract through 2021, but if he's going to be inactive on gamedays it might make sense to either move him for a player at more of a need position (maybe LB on a rookie deal), or a pick. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RoyBatty is alive Posted June 4, 2020 Share Posted June 4, 2020 16 hours ago, cba fan said: https://www.ozy.com/the-new-and-the-next/when-football-players-go-pro-their-balls-get-bigger/90091/ this is something i kinda of forgot over the years. I wonder if this is a problem? Interesting I never knew their was a size difference and yes if could partially explain it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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