Buffalo_Gal Posted June 2, 2020 Share Posted June 2, 2020 3 minutes ago, Paulus said: People can be driven to things. 40% unemployment and a reason to do something... This is not all about one guy. Closer to a more perfect storm. Wut? 40% unemployment (no idea where that number is coming from) is a reason to drive an SUV into cops patrolling the street!? Ummmm no. Sorry, but no. Absolutely not. 2 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Boatdrinks Posted June 2, 2020 Share Posted June 2, 2020 3 minutes ago, Buffalo_Gal said: I’m not sure the military could have done much based on that video. Maybe not , but these criminals must be dealt with , and that means overwhelming and deadly force. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Paulus Posted June 2, 2020 Share Posted June 2, 2020 Just now, Buffalo_Gal said: Wut? 40% unemployment (no idea where that number is coming from) is a reason to drive an SUV into cops patrolling the street!? Ummmm no. Sorry, but no. Absolutely not. Umm... Yeah, a people pushed to a point will react. Facts don't care about your feelings. When you mix poverty and desperation with a catalyst you get this. It is not about right or wrong, it is about cause and effect. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Buffalo_Gal Posted June 2, 2020 Share Posted June 2, 2020 Just now, Paulus said: Umm... Yeah, a people pushed to a point will react. Facts don't care about your feelings. When you mix poverty and desperation with a catalyst you get this. It is not about right or wrong, it is about cause and effect. Buddy, your whole premise is people feel entitled to murder police officers because they are poor/unemployed. That is a hard no. Absolutely not. 1 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Paulus Posted June 2, 2020 Share Posted June 2, 2020 Just now, Buffalo_Gal said: Buddy, your whole premise is people feel entitled to murder police officers because they are poor/unemployed. That is a hard no. Absolutely not. Well, I'm sorry you feel that poverty has never led to murder... Such a bold leap I must have made... Again, facts don't care about your feelings. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Boatdrinks Posted June 2, 2020 Share Posted June 2, 2020 9 minutes ago, Paulus said: Umm... Yeah, a people pushed to a point will react. Facts don't care about your feelings. When you mix poverty and desperation with a catalyst you get this. It is not about right or wrong, it is about cause and effect. No, this isn’t about feelings. It’s about facts. Poverty is as old as time, but not a license to destroy, kill and attack civilized society. This is exclusively about right and wrong. The fact is, this is America. Those who would kill us, ruin us must be destroyed with military precision. People in poverty aren’t all criminals. That’s a cop out. 8 minutes ago, Paulus said: Well, I'm sorry you feel that poverty has never led to murder... Such a bold leap I must have made... Again, facts don't care about your feelings. Many of these losers don’t appear impoverished. They’ve been sitting at home getting more on unemployment than they were when the Governors allowed them to work. This isn’t about poverty, sorry. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Paulus Posted June 2, 2020 Share Posted June 2, 2020 1 minute ago, Boatdrinks said: No, this isn’t about feelings. It’s about facts. Poverty is as old as time, but not a license to destroy, kill and attack civilized society. This is exclusively about right and wrong. The fact is, this is America. Those who would kill us, ruin us must be destroyed with military precision. People in poverty aren’t all criminals. That’s a cop out. I am not talking right and wrong, I am talking cause and effect. Yes, murder is wrong. Why does talking about the cause of a crime automatically make idiots think one is justifying that crime? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Buffalo_Gal Posted June 2, 2020 Share Posted June 2, 2020 (edited) 1 hour ago, Paulus said: Well, I'm sorry you feel that poverty has never led to murder... Such a bold leap I must have made... Again, facts don't care about your feelings. I did not say that poverty has never led to murder. I said poverty is not a reason to get into an SUV and run down a patrol of police officers. There is no justification for that action. None. Edited June 2, 2020 by Buffalo_Gal 1 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Needle Posted June 2, 2020 Share Posted June 2, 2020 11 minutes ago, Buffalo_Gal said: I did not say it poverty has never led to murder. I said poverty is not a reason to get into an SUV and run down a patrol of police officers. There is no justification for that action. None. Only in this country does poverty own an SUV 5 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wacka Posted June 2, 2020 Share Posted June 2, 2020 (edited) This was announced on the morning news.The cops getting hit were near the police station on Bailey near the 33. One state trooper got a fractured pelvis and leg. Another trooper and a city cop got hit with lesser injuries. The cops should have rifled the SUV with bullets. The SUV was attempted murder. Edited June 2, 2020 by Wacka 2 2 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Don Otreply Posted June 2, 2020 Share Posted June 2, 2020 Wake up and smell the root cause of America’s social unrest. It’s been there your entire life, in fact it has been there for the duration of our countries existence. Step outside of the bubble you live in and have a look around... Our current president is and has been stoking the flames since before he got to the White House, Russia itself could not have done a better job of ripping apart the social fabric of our country, but, We, yes you, me and the rest of us Americans can fix this if we just face the facts, and do the right things. It is a matter of having the guts to try. United we stand, divided we fall. The promise of America will have failed if we do not face the fact that the long held policies of racism and corporate greed need to be addressed, and changed for the benefit of the vast majority of American citizens. Otherwise we will have been divided and conquered..... White Americans through action and inaction have brought this to be, As a whole white America has treated non white Americans poorly for hundreds of years, and they are pissed off about it, when was the last time a white guy got shot for jogging in a park?? 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Reality Check Posted June 2, 2020 Share Posted June 2, 2020 16 minutes ago, Don Otreply said: Wake up and smell the root cause of America’s social unrest. It’s been there your entire life, in fact it has been there for the duration of our countries existence. Step outside of the bubble you live in and have a look around... Our current president is and has been stoking the flames since before he got to the White House, Russia itself could not have done a better job of ripping apart the social fabric of our country, but, We, yes you, me and the rest of us Americans can fix this if we just face the facts, and do the right things. It is a matter of having the guts to try. United we stand, divided we fall. The promise of America will have failed if we do not face the fact that the long held policies of racism and corporate greed need to be addressed, and changed for the benefit of the vast majority of American citizens. Otherwise we will have been divided and conquered..... White Americans through action and inaction have brought this to be, As a whole white America has treated non white Americans poorly for hundreds of years, and they are pissed off about it, when was the last time a white guy got shot for jogging in a park?? Since you support an escalation in racism as a solution, I will have to put your Antifa DNC excrement on ignore. Keep staring at that television, you might as well complete the damage it has begun to your mind. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sabrecrazed Posted June 2, 2020 Share Posted June 2, 2020 59 minutes ago, Don Otreply said: Wake up and smell the root cause of America’s social unrest. It’s been there your entire life, in fact it has been there for the duration of our countries existence. Step outside of the bubble you live in and have a look around... Our current president is and has been stoking the flames since before he got to the White House, Russia itself could not have done a better job of ripping apart the social fabric of our country, but, We, yes you, me and the rest of us Americans can fix this if we just face the facts, and do the right things. It is a matter of having the guts to try. United we stand, divided we fall. The promise of America will have failed if we do not face the fact that the long held policies of racism and corporate greed need to be addressed, and changed for the benefit of the vast majority of American citizens. Otherwise we will have been divided and conquered..... White Americans through action and inaction have brought this to be, As a whole white America has treated non white Americans poorly for hundreds of years, and they are pissed off about it, when was the last time a white guy got shot for jogging in a park?? You are an idiot. 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Koko78 Posted June 2, 2020 Share Posted June 2, 2020 1 hour ago, Don Otreply said: Wake up and smell the root cause of America’s social unrest. It’s been there your entire life, in fact it has been there for the duration of our countries existence. Step outside of the bubble you live in and have a look around... Our current president is and has been stoking the flames since before he got to the White House, Russia itself could not have done a better job of ripping apart the social fabric of our country, but, We, yes you, me and the rest of us Americans can fix this if we just face the facts, and do the right things. It is a matter of having the guts to try. United we stand, divided we fall. The promise of America will have failed if we do not face the fact that the long held policies of racism and corporate greed need to be addressed, and changed for the benefit of the vast majority of American citizens. Otherwise we will have been divided and conquered..... White Americans through action and inaction have brought this to be, As a whole white America has treated non white Americans poorly for hundreds of years, and they are pissed off about it, when was the last time a white guy got shot for jogging in a park?? I suggest that you work harder at atoning for your sins. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tiberius Posted June 2, 2020 Share Posted June 2, 2020 Horrible thing in Buffalo last night. Hope the officers are both ok and the a-hole driving the van gets a just punishment 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pine Barrens Mafia Posted June 2, 2020 Share Posted June 2, 2020 1 hour ago, Don Otreply said: Wake up and smell the root cause of America’s social unrest. It’s been there your entire life, in fact it has been there for the duration of our countries existence. Step outside of the bubble you live in and have a look around... Our current president is and has been stoking the flames since before he got to the White House, Russia itself could not have done a better job of ripping apart the social fabric of our country, but, We, yes you, me and the rest of us Americans can fix this if we just face the facts, and do the right things. It is a matter of having the guts to try. United we stand, divided we fall. The promise of America will have failed if we do not face the fact that the long held policies of racism and corporate greed need to be addressed, and changed for the benefit of the vast majority of American citizens. Otherwise we will have been divided and conquered..... White Americans through action and inaction have brought this to be, As a whole white America has treated non white Americans poorly for hundreds of years, and they are pissed off about it, when was the last time a white guy got shot for jogging in a park?? Yes, of course. By the very fact that I've been born white, I have oppressed the black man. How could I ever have thought otherwise? bbbbbbbbbbbeta 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Reality Check Posted June 2, 2020 Share Posted June 2, 2020 In loving memory of Don Otreply. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cinga Posted June 2, 2020 Share Posted June 2, 2020 2 hours ago, Don Otreply said: racism and corporate greed YOU LOST ME AT Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cinga Posted June 2, 2020 Share Posted June 2, 2020 2 hours ago, Reality Check said: Since you support an escalation in racism as a solution, I will have to put your Antifa DNC excrement on ignore. Keep staring at that television, you might as well complete the damage it has begun to your mind. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Reality Check Posted June 2, 2020 Share Posted June 2, 2020 1 minute ago, Cinga said: Bravo! Love that movie! Now I am ready for some ultra-violence! 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wacka Posted June 2, 2020 Share Posted June 2, 2020 39 minutes ago, Tiberius said: Horrible thing in Buffalo last night. Hope the officers are both ok and the a-hole driving the van gets a just punishment The one state trooper has a fractured pelvis and leg. The other trooper and Buffalo cop are injured. Thewoman driver of the SUV was shot and is in ECMC. The County cops had a chopper in the air and caught the SUV near the 33. This was attempted murder. and all three in the SUV should be serving long sentences (>20 years). 4 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Boatdrinks Posted June 2, 2020 Share Posted June 2, 2020 25 minutes ago, Wacka said: The one state trooper has a fractured pelvis and leg. The other trooper and Buffalo cop are injured. Thewoman driver of the SUV was shot and is in ECMC. The County cops had a chopper in the air and caught the SUV near the 33. This was attempted murder. and all three in the SUV should be serving long sentences (>20 years). Cuomo will step in and give them an appearance ticket. NYS under Cuomo= lawless schi**hole Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Prickly Pete Posted June 4, 2020 Share Posted June 4, 2020 Are there still protests in Buffalo? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Buffalo716 Posted June 5, 2020 Author Share Posted June 5, 2020 (edited) 22 hours ago, Prickly Pete said: Are there still protests in Buffalo? Yes there are. Carbone's pizza in Lovejoy had its Windows smashed the other night Along with some other ruckus An old man was shoved down by Buffalo police today during a protest and hit his head on the ground https://mobile.twitter.com/DavidBegnaud/status/1268716877355810818 Disturbing video Edited June 5, 2020 by Buffalo716 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Buffalo_Gal Posted June 5, 2020 Share Posted June 5, 2020 17 minutes ago, Buffalo716 said: Yes there are. Carbone's pizza in Lovejoy had its Windows smashed the other night Along with some other ruckus An old man was shoved down by Buffalo police today during a protest and hit his head on the ground https://mobile.twitter.com/DavidBegnaud/status/1268716877355810818 Disturbing video They suspended the two police officers. The one guy what pushed him started to bend down to help the guy when the next cop pushed that guy (starting to bend down) away to walk on. They may have called someone (sounded like a medic was called) but they walked away from him when there was an obvious pool of blood. Unconscionable. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Warren Zevon Posted June 5, 2020 Share Posted June 5, 2020 1 minute ago, Buffalo_Gal said: They suspended the two police officers. The one guy what pushed him started to bend down to help the guy when the next cop pushed that guy (starting to bend down) away to walk on. They may have called someone (sounded like a medic was called) but they walked away from him when there was an obvious pool of blood. Unconscionable. Then the cops protect their own and release statement that the man "tripped and fell" What a ***** joke the Buffalo PD is Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mead107 Posted June 5, 2020 Share Posted June 5, 2020 2 minutes ago, Warren Zevon said: Then the cops protect their own and release statement that the man "tripped and fell" What a ***** joke the Buffalo PD is Why they suspended them you want them shot? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RiotAct Posted June 5, 2020 Share Posted June 5, 2020 Who knows what the guy said (he looked agitated), but it looks like he was just trying to give a police helmet back. Really bad situation all around... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chef Jim Posted June 5, 2020 Share Posted June 5, 2020 On 6/2/2020 at 9:09 AM, Reality Check said: Bravo! Love that movie! Now I am ready for some ultra-violence! I prefer the ole in out in out. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Buffalo_Gal Posted June 5, 2020 Share Posted June 5, 2020 Longer video from the other side (second video). The national guard guys attended him right away. I have no idea why the man thought it would be a good idea to approach a line of cops. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
4merper4mer Posted June 5, 2020 Share Posted June 5, 2020 10 minutes ago, mead107 said: Why they suspended them you want them shot? No. He wants every police officer nationwide to be vilified so we can communize, Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Warcodered Posted June 5, 2020 Share Posted June 5, 2020 11 minutes ago, mead107 said: Why they suspended them you want them shot? if they're suspended with pay this isn't anything until they're fired, charged or whatever ends up coming of this. 4 minutes ago, 4merper4mer said: No. He wants every police officer nationwide to be vilified so we can communize, WTF does communism have to do with this? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Buffalo_Gal Posted June 5, 2020 Share Posted June 5, 2020 Just now, Warcodered said: if they're suspended with pay this isn't anything until they're fired, charged or whatever ends up coming of this. What would you expect them to be charged with? He approached them, they told him to get away, he still approached, they pushed, he stumbled backwards and fell. Leaving him there bleeding is where they were wrong, in my opinion. And the one cop pushing the other cop away was terrible. But, maybe neither were trained to help and the national guard guys were trained to help? I will be curious what the law enforcement guys here will think of the incident, and what they think charges, if any, should be. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
4merper4mer Posted June 5, 2020 Share Posted June 5, 2020 5 minutes ago, Warcodered said: WTF does communism have to do with this? It's the solution to everything. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bbb Posted June 5, 2020 Share Posted June 5, 2020 21 minutes ago, 4merper4mer said: It's the solution to everything. That and "cannabis" 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
4merper4mer Posted June 5, 2020 Share Posted June 5, 2020 3 minutes ago, bbb said: That and "cannabis" To be fair it was probably stoners who first thought up how wonderfully communism would work so cannabis ftw again. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Beast Posted June 5, 2020 Share Posted June 5, 2020 (edited) 1 hour ago, Buffalo_Gal said: What would you expect them to be charged with? He approached them, they told him to get away, he still approached, they pushed, he stumbled backwards and fell. Leaving him there bleeding is where they were wrong, in my opinion. And the one cop pushing the other cop away was terrible. But, maybe neither were trained to help and the national guard guys were trained to help? I will be curious what the law enforcement guys here will think of the incident, and what they think charges, if any, should be. Here’s what I think. again, JMO. The two officers to my eye, look very young. could be wrong there but I would bet they don’t want to arrest an old man. They push him back. He doesn’t catch his balance because of his age and the rest happens. I bet anything they now wish they just took him into custody instead of pushing him. Those two, I’m quite certain, will lose their career over this decision which I see why they did it, but.....it didn’t end up good. The one Officer seems to be a little more responsible for this.It will be interesting to see how that is viewed. And the bad part that sucks for them is that is the exact way they are trained for riot training. To push back and continue forward. They will lose their job for doing their job correctly but there is always gray area and they were in that gray area. You probably shouldn’t shove an elderly person. I would say they will both probably be charged with Assault in the 3rd Degree, a Misdemeanor, for recklessly causing physical injury to another. It will be interesting to see if they attempt to charge the one with Assault 2nd , a Felony, for having a riot stick and pushing him with that. I don’t think they will because the stick didn’t cause the injury. The concrete did. There is a subdivision under Assault For a person over 65 and the actor being 10 years younger but you have to show an intent to injure. There obviously is no intent in this matter. Now, if this man dies which is a possibility, they will both be charged with Manslaughter 2nd Degree. Edited June 5, 2020 by Beast Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nelius Posted June 5, 2020 Share Posted June 5, 2020 (edited) 55 minutes ago, bbb said: That and "cannabis" Live in Denver where cops just marched with the protestors arm in arm. Agitators are scorned and kicked out. The few dozen that run through the streets at night are easily controlled and folks show up at the capitol at 6am to clean any mess that they left behind. First couple of nights were rocky but civility one. Go Team Cannabis. Sorry to see this tonight, Buffalo. You guys are my home and I love you, but the cops involved need to go. If they do, hopefully cool heads prevail. Edited June 5, 2020 by Nelius Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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OldTimeAFLGuy Posted June 5, 2020 Share Posted June 5, 2020 6 hours ago, Buffalo_Gal said: They suspended the two police officers. The one guy what pushed him started to bend down to help the guy when the next cop pushed that guy (starting to bend down) away to walk on. They may have called someone (sounded like a medic was called) but they walked away from him when there was an obvious pool of blood. Unconscionable. ....yet a line in the Buffalo News said he "tripped and fell"........(??)...... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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