Ed Oliver Arrested DWI

[Doc]

2 minutes ago, MAJBobby said:

If they still want to charge him with the DUI. Or even if it is over the limit that is how I see it playing out. 

 

Why would they still want to charge him with DUI if his BAC was just .03?  Just to be *****?  Wouldn't his attorney tell them "fine, see you in court"?

 

2 minutes ago, Warcodered said:

He was apparently going 80mph in a 45 I don't know if when they caught up to him if it was still a construction area.

 

That's a speeding ticket.

[Mr. WEO]

21 minutes ago, Doc said:

 

If his BAC is under .08, especially .03, why would he plead guilty to anything?  That's not DUI and with no DUI there's no gun charge.  And as I said, if he admitted to being on Adderall, I'm sure he has a prescription, and thus a TUE.  But if there were no other drugs in his system (like Adderall), there's nothing there either.

 

 

The article says he took it in December and January leading to 3 failed tests over a 4-week period.  In any case, as I said above, Oliver probably has a TUE.  And we don't know if he was tested for it, much less tested positive.

You keep equating having a prescription with having a TUE.  

18 minutes ago, IgotBILLStopay said:

Here is the headline:

Court records: Former UH star Ed Oliver admitted to drinking, taking Adderall prior to Houston DWI arrest

Here is the text:

The headline implies that Oliver admitted to drinking and taking alcohol happened a short time before the arrest. The text , however, says he had beer at 1 pm (at least 8 hrs prior to the arrest) and clearly says it is unclear when he took Adderall.

so that open beer between his legs was stuck to his crotch for like 10 hours?

[Doc]

3 minutes ago, Mr. WEO said:

You keep equating having a prescription with having a TUE. 

 

Nope.  I'm saying that if he admitted to being on Adderall, he likely has a prescription for it and also likely has a TUE.

[Mr. WEO]

9 minutes ago, Doc said:

 

Nope.  I'm saying that if he admitted to being on Adderall, he likely has a prescription for it and also likely has a TUE.

You said you were sure he had a prescription “and thus a TUE”.  There’s no reason to conclude this.  

[YoloinOhio]

Bills player in trouble =

 

Doc vs WEO

 

[DaBillsFanSince1973]

I'm hoping big Ed learns from his bad decisions, he has potential to be good as long as he sets his priorities straight. being a man of imperfection myself and having to learn the hard way, I wont chastise or judge the young man in any way shape or form. I only wish him the best.

[Bangarang]

45 minutes ago, IgotBILLStopay said:

Here is the headline:

Court records: Former UH star Ed Oliver admitted to drinking, taking Adderall prior to Houston DWI arrest

Here is the text:

The headline implies that Oliver admitted to drinking and taking alcohol happened a short time before the arrest. The text , however, says he had beer at 1 pm (at least 8 hrs prior to the arrest) and clearly says it is unclear when he took Adderall.

Im sure he only had 1 beer...

[NoSaint]

4 hours ago, Back2Buff said:

 

It's one incident but it evolves multiple violations.  I think the people thinking it will just fall under the alcohol 3 games are not taking into account the other issues.

 

I think 6 games will be end result now with the additional substance abuse issue.

substance abuse is a CBA negotiated punishment, it’s separate from the dui, if he doesn’t have a script. It would simply be his (presumably but not definitely) first offense.

3 hours ago, YoloinOhio said:

If he fails an nfl drug test 

nah, this could count as an offense.

1 hour ago, Mr. WEO said:

 

 

A prescription is not an NFL exemption.

Good call and important distinction that a few guys have flubbed before 

[NoSaint]

1 hour ago, Augie said:

 

My son was told by the cops and his attorney (and my wife was there to hear much of this) that even if he blew below .08 they would still arrest him for being under the influence, since he did have some alcohol. They also asked if he took any prescription meds, which he did, and they’d arrest him for being under the influence of that. Scare tactics? True? IDK. He had it on cruise control on a hilly, windy road, hit ponding water and hydro-planed into a front yard. Even the tow truck driver watching this with my wife said “there’s nothing wrong with him, this is BS!” 

 

Don’t get me wrong, he was NOT a saint, but sometimes they just decide how it’s going to go before they know the facts. 

How old was he? If under 21 it’s zero tolerance on consumption in many places.

[Augie]

7 minutes ago, NoSaint said:

How old was he? If under 21 it’s zero tolerance on consumption in many places.

 

I’m guessing 25 at the time. It was a pre-determined outcome. When the tow truck driver tells you wife “he’s getting screwed either way, they decided already”, the outcome is known. 

[Doc]

1 hour ago, Mr. WEO said:

You said you were sure he had a prescription “and thus a TUE”.  There’s no reason to conclude this.  

 

Fair enough.  Maybe he does have a TUE, maybe he doesn't.  It mostly academic anyway because it's likely the cops didn't test him for it, it's not a league-administered test and doesn't count assuming he did test positive for it, and it's the off-season and the worst he would get is referred to the substance abuse program (although I'm not sure if this is for anyone taking it or only those without a prescription, which would make more sense since it's a PED and there's no P to E in the off-season).

[Richard Noggin]

1 hour ago, DaBillsFanSince1973 said:

I'm hoping big Ed learns from his bad decisions, he has potential to be good as long as he sets his priorities straight. being a man of imperfection myself and having to learn the hard way, I wont chastise or judge the young man in any way shape or form. I only wish him the best.

I have also made many, many terrible decisions. I just happen to be both quite gifted at driving and at speaking with authority figures, and...maybe more importantly, I'm a ginger, which is about as white as a person can be. Never overlook the advantage that provides when dealing with police. 

[BillsFan2313]

3 hours ago, Augie said:

 

My son was told by the cops and his attorney (and my wife was there to hear much of this) that even if he blew below .08 they would still arrest him for being under the influence, since he did have some alcohol. They also asked if he took any prescription meds, which he did, and they’d arrest him for being under the influence of that. Scare tactics? True? IDK. He had it on cruise control on a hilly, windy road, hit ponding water and hydro-planed into a front yard. Even the tow truck driver watching this with my wife said “there’s nothing wrong with him, this is BS!” 

 

Don’t get me wrong, he was NOT a saint, but sometimes they just decide how it’s going to go before they know the facts. 

 

Yep, you can get still in trouble under .08. Dwai or dui. In reality, you can get in trouble with any positive breath test. I'm going to guess 80% of the people trashing Oliver have drove, after consuming alcohol. 

Edited May 20, 2020 by BillsFan2313

[JetsFan20]

Look for Oliver to serve a four game suspension in 2021

 

end thread 
 

 

Edited May 20, 2020 by JetsFan20

[Hapless Bills Fan]

9 hours ago, Back2Buff said:

 

It's one incident but it evolves multiple violations.  I think the people thinking it will just fall under the alcohol 3 games are not taking into account the other issues.

 

I think 6 games will be end result now with the additional substance abuse issue.

 

I think we should wait to see what is actually found.  You're saying "additional substance abuse issue" before you know if there's a substance abuse issue at all.
 

According to the "court record" thing posted (which I don't understand, because there hasn't been a court date set yet), Oliver said he is "taking Adderall" but if he has a prescription, that is not a crime.  It may or may not be against NFL policy, depending upon whether he has a therapeutic use exemption.
 

Texas does not require that a firearm be registered, so the weapons violation is only in the context of another crime, the DWI.  

If the DWI proves out, it's there.  If it doesn't, it's gone.

[Mr. WEO]

9 hours ago, Doc said:

 

Fair enough.  Maybe he does have a TUE, maybe he doesn't.  It mostly academic anyway because it's likely the cops didn't test him for it, it's not a league-administered test and doesn't count assuming he did test positive for it, and it's the off-season and the worst he would get is referred to the substance abuse program (although I'm not sure if this is for anyone taking it or only those without a prescription, which would make more sense since it's a PED and there's no P to E in the off-season).

 

Why would it being the offseason matter?  Does the league have separate rules for the offseason? Can players take anabolic steroids in the off season (no P or E in the off season)?

[Back2Buff]

6 hours ago, Hapless Bills Fan said:

 

I think we should wait to see what is actually found.  You're saying "additional substance abuse issue" before you know if there's a substance abuse issue at all.
 

According to the "court record" thing posted (which I don't understand, because there hasn't been a court date set yet), Oliver said he is "taking Adderall" but if he has a prescription, that is not a crime.  It may or may not be against NFL policy, depending upon whether he has a therapeutic use exemption.
 

Texas does not require that a firearm be registered, so the weapons violation is only in the context of another crime, the DWI.  

If the DWI proves out, it's there.  If it doesn't, it's gone.

 

I was just going off the article which listed those three things.

 

In terms of NFL, it's a pretty simple rule for adderall, if found with it in offseason it is substance abuse, if found during playing season it's performance enhancing.

 

Adderall has become one of the most abused drugs out there right now.  My guess is that he didn't have a prescription if he admitted to using it.   It is getting incredibly tough to get prescriptions from Doctors due to what the drug has become.

[JESSEFEFFER]

13 minutes ago, Mr. WEO said:

 

Why would it being the offseason matter?  Does the league have separate rules for the offseason? Can players take anabolic steroids in the off season (no P or E in the off season)?

I'm certainly not an expert on the rules or the reasons for them but some of these might have long-lasting effects while others might not last beyond the day they are taken.

[Mr. WEO]

Just now, JESSEFEFFER said:

I'm certainly not an expert on the rules or the reasons for them but some of these might have long-lasting effects while others might not last beyond the day they are taken.

 

 

Which is why the rules are what they are.  No need for the league to try to parse out the drug half-lives and look at calendars.  There is no pass during the off-season.

 

Off-Season: Players under contract who are not otherwise subject to reasonable cause testing may be tested during the off-season months at the discretion of the Independent Administrator, subject to the collectively bargained maximum of six (including blood tests) off-season tests. Players to be tested in the off-season will be selected on the same basis 6 (2018) as during the regular season, irrespective of their off-season locations. Any Player selected for testing during the off-season will be required to furnish a urine specimen at a convenient location acceptable to the Independent Administrator, subject to the qualification set forth in Section 3.2 for specimen collections occurring away from the Club facility. Only Players who advise in writing that they have retired from the NFL will be removed from the testing pool. If, however, a Player thereafter signs a contract with a Club, he will be placed back in the testing pool.

[first_and_ten]

On 5/17/2020 at 6:00 AM, Gambit said:

It's so sad how stupid people can be. I'm glad we brought in quite a lot of defensive lineman seeing as this dumbass will most likely be suspended for part of the season. 

 

Yes, it is stupid of him. This can either shock him into reality or he can go down the path of ruination. I remember when Bruce Smith was suspended for four games. That seemed to ignite a new man in him and he became an unbelievable player. Right now Ed needs to make a decision. 

[HOUSE]

 

[Over 29 years of fanhood]

12 hours ago, IgotBILLStopay said:

not odd to be barefoot. I posted this link earlier on field sobriety tests

 

https://www.minicklaw.com/attacking-walk-turn-field-sobriety-test/

 

 

ed was wearing two inch heels? 

[IgotBILLStopay]

25 minutes ago, Over 29 years of fanhood said:

ed was wearing two inch heels? 

lol.

 

officers are required to allow the option of barefoot testing. that is all i’m saying. so it is not at all strange to see a person take these tests barefoot

 

https://www.duibart.com/blog/2011/february/validity-of-dui-field-sobriety-tests/

 

Quote

NHTSA says the officer should give the person the choice of removing their footwear. 

 

More importantly, i have read some reports of Oliver “failing” the field sobriety tests. these tests are notoriously unreliable (see above link for statistics - since this thread has a bunch of people prepping AP Stats?).

Quote

The National Highway Traffic Safety Administration, or "NHTSA," developed three standardized field sobriety tests back in the 1970s that when administrated following the same procedures and protocols are supposed to be a valid indicator of when an individual's blood alcohol concentration is over a 0.08.  Those three tests are the Horizontal Gaze Nystagmus Test (or "HGN"), the Walk and Turn Test, and the One Leg Stand Test.  In NHTSA's original validation studies of these tests it was determined that the HGN test was accurate 77% of the time, the Walk and Turn Test was accurate 68% of the time, and the One Leg Stand Test was accurate 65% of the time. 

 

Edited May 20, 2020 by IgotBILLStopay

[Doc]

1 hour ago, Mr. WEO said:

Why would it being the offseason matter?  Does the league have separate rules for the offseason? Can players take anabolic steroids in the off season (no P or E in the off season)?

 

Apparently they do, at least for stimulants.

 

Quote

According to the NFL's policy on performance-enhancing substances, a player who tests positive for banned stimulants like Adderall during the season receives a four-game suspension without pay. If a player tests positive during the offseason, he is referred to a substance abuse program.

 

 

[Mr. WEO]

14 minutes ago, Doc said:

 

Apparently they do, at least for stimulants.

 

 

 

 

Nope, still a banned substance.  Still subject to off-season testing.  Penalty may be different, but rules (and banned list) are the same all year.

[Doc]

14 minutes ago, Mr. WEO said:

Nope, still a banned substance.  Still subject to off-season testing.  Penalty may be different, but rules (and banned list) are the same all year.

 

I answered your question and the answer is that the league does have different rules.  During season: automatic 4 game suspension.  During off-season: player enters into substances of abuse program and no suspension.  But without him failing a league-administered test, it's moot anyway.

 

Now lay out an exhaustive defense plan for Oliver, like you like to do whenever a Cheaters player or owner gets into trouble.

[Sig1Hunter]

52 minutes ago, IgotBILLStopay said:

lol.

 

officers are required to allow the option of barefoot testing. that is all i’m saying. so it is not at all strange to see a person take these tests barefoot

 

https://www.duibart.com/blog/2011/february/validity-of-dui-field-sobriety-tests/

 

 

More importantly, i have read some reports of Oliver “failing” the field sobriety tests. these tests are notoriously unreliable (see above link for statistics - since this thread has a bunch of people prepping AP Stats?).

 

Do you understand the context behind those stats that you posted regarding the FSEs?

[Mr. WEO]

1 minute ago, Doc said:

 

I answered your question and the answer is that the league does have different rules.  During season: automatic 4 game suspension.  During off-season: player enters into substances of abuse program and no suspension.  But without him failing a league-administered test, it's moot anyway.

 

Now lay out an exhaustive defense plan for Oliver, like you like to do whenever a Cheaters player or owner gets into trouble.

 

It doesn't.  Different penalties.  

 

Defense?  As always doc, not hard to predict;  they will challenge the stop, the blood test. the FST.  He didn't help himself by Rolling down his window with the beer between his legs, or the adderall admission. 

 

These, like the others you reference, are common sense defenses that you struggle with (or pretend to).

[LeviF]

Just now, Sig1Hunter said:

Do you understand the context behind those stats that you posted regarding the FSEs?

 

To ask the question is to answer it. 

 

Nor can they comprehend why a DUI attorney trying to sell his services might not explain the statistics in any meaningful way.

 

Nor can they understand that there may be a reason why the NHTSA would still insist on those three FSTs having "scientific validity" and being administered as standard practice even though the NHTSA's curriculum explicitly mentions the percentages given.

[Mango]

2 hours ago, Mr. WEO said:

 

Why would it being the offseason matter?  Does the league have separate rules for the offseason? Can players take anabolic steroids in the off season (no P or E in the off season)?

 

The NFL does not go far enough with most of its testing, then hands out sometimes super high suspensions if you are one of the ones that do get caught. I think it would be in their best interest to have a thorough list. From the perspective of international sport, there is in competition and out of competition bans. So pot, cocaine, adderall, or certain amounts of caffeine for example has no real performance enhancing benefit outside of competition day, so literally USADA could show up for a random test at your house in the off season and you could pee while ripping on a bong, and nothing would happen. But, you test positive at a World Championship and you are toast.

 

I would like to see the NFL become a bit more sophisticated with its testing. I would remove pot all together for the NFL. Agree to 300 random offseason tests. Players can go and rip lines for all I care, but really they are testing for steroids, HGH, etc. and 300 random in season tests. Test positive in season for PED's, you are toast for the rest of the year. Every single national team athlete in every sport in the US is letting USADA and WADA know their whereabouts everyday, it is not that hard. 

[dollars 2 donuts]

I know this is tangential, but I'd rather see this being pot than drinking and driving.

 

 

[Mr. WEO]

13 minutes ago, Mango said:

 

The NFL does not go far enough with most of its testing, then hands out sometimes super high suspensions if you are one of the ones that do get caught. I think it would be in their best interest to have a thorough list. From the perspective of international sport, there is in competition and out of competition bans. So pot, cocaine, adderall, or certain amounts of caffeine for example has no real performance enhancing benefit outside of competition day, so literally USADA could show up for a random test at your house in the off season and you could pee while ripping on a bong, and nothing would happen. But, you test positive at a World Championship and you are toast.

 

I would like to see the NFL become a bit more sophisticated with its testing. I would remove pot all together for the NFL. Agree to 300 random offseason tests. Players can go and rip lines for all I care, but really they are testing for steroids, HGH, etc. and 300 random in season tests. Test positive in season for PED's, you are toast for the rest of the year. Every single national team athlete in every sport in the US is letting USADA and WADA know their whereabouts everyday, it is not that hard. 

 

There is a list.

 

Pot has no penalty anymore.

[Doc]

25 minutes ago, Mr. WEO said:

It doesn't.  Different penalties.  

 

Defense?  As always doc, not hard to predict;  they will challenge the stop, the blood test. the FST.  He didn't help himself by Rolling down his window with the beer between his legs, or the adderall admission. 

 

These, like the others you reference, are common sense defenses that you struggle with (or pretend to).

 

Different penalties is different rules.  Add-in the TUE...

 

I don't struggle with defenses, WEO.  You do...when it comes to Bills players.

[Mr. WEO]

9 minutes ago, Doc said:

 

Different penalties is different rules.  Add-in the TUE...

 

I don't struggle with defenses, WEO.  You do...when it comes to Bills players.

 

You struggled with Kraft's lawyers' planned defense....mightily.  

 

I have just given you the Oliver defense: challenge everything.  If he has a TUE in hand, he's got no issue with the league.  What's your struggle now?

[Mango]

11 minutes ago, Mr. WEO said:

 

There is a list.

 

Pot has no penalty anymore.

 

Correct. Maybe I should have said thorough process and delineate between when things are banned. But I guess that assumes the NFL actually cares about PED's and would rather just have the optics that they do. 

[Mr. WEO]

Just now, Mango said:

 

Correct. Maybe I should have said thorough process and delineate between when things are banned. But I guess that assumes the NFL actually cares about PED's and would rather just have the optics that they do. 

 

 

They do---it's their drug policy.

 

Everything on the list is banned.  Taking speed in the offseason gets you mandatory stage 1 substance abuse program with its treatment and testing requirements and game suspensions for violation of those requirements.

[Mango]

52 minutes ago, Mr. WEO said:

 

It doesn't.  Different penalties.  

 

Defense?  As always doc, not hard to predict;  they will challenge the stop, the blood test. the FST.  He didn't help himself by Rolling down his window with the beer between his legs, or the adderall admission. 

 

These, like the others you reference, are common sense defenses that you struggle with (or pretend to).

 

This one is weird. The whole thing is weird. One report had the beer between his legs. Another report has it in his passenger side door. Normally with these DUI's I am quick to just shake my head cause the guy is an idiot. But this seems inconsistent. 

 

https://www.khou.com/article/news/crime/court-records-buffalo-bills-ed-oliver-admitted-to-drinking-taking-adderall-prior-to-houston-dwi-arrest/285-df7cfad6-f1d3-422b-bab3-9e99dbe845c5

[IgotBILLStopay]

53 minutes ago, Sig1Hunter said:

Do you understand the context behind those stats that you posted regarding the FSEs?

 

 

i see it as a lawyer (and former prosecutor) who knows the ins and outs of fses talking about them.

 

pls do explain what i am missing.

[Mr. WEO]

1 minute ago, Mango said:

 

This one is weird. The whole thing is weird. One report had the beer between his legs. Another report has it in his passenger side door. Normally with these DUI's I am quick to just shake my head cause the guy is an idiot. But this seems inconsistent. 

 

https://www.khou.com/article/news/crime/court-records-buffalo-bills-ed-oliver-admitted-to-drinking-taking-adderall-prior-to-houston-dwi-arrest/285-df7cfad6-f1d3-422b-bab3-9e99dbe845c5

 

Maybe it was between his legs as the officer first saw him after the window rolls down, then he put it in the door as he got out.

[Mango]

2 minutes ago, Mr. WEO said:

 

 

They do---it's their drug policy.

 

Everything on the list is banned.  Taking speed in the offseason gets you mandatory stage 1 substance abuse program with its treatment and testing requirements and game suspensions for violation of those requirements.

 

Yeah, and most of it is dumb. Until a few weeks/months ago, if you tested for pot you entered the program. It is all an optics play, not for PED's. Some 22 year old enters the leagues substance abuse program for effing adderall when it has zero use outside of game day. The NFL should give more leeway to off season usage and do more in season testing. The rest of the world, and even the UFC, just adopt USADA and WADA rules and regulations. The NFL gets off way too easy in season, and they make up for it with stupid rules in the offseason. 

4 minutes ago, Mr. WEO said:

 

Maybe it was between his legs as the officer first saw him after the window rolls down, then he put it in the door as he got out.

 

He had it in between his legs when talking to the officer, then reached over and put it in the drivers side door after the officer already saw it? That doesn't make any sense.