PFF with the ultimate Bills troll job

[Kirby Jackson]

This is a site that has admitted to trolling Bills fans for a reaction. I’m done with them at this point. I’m no longer feeding into their BS. Typically, I’m not overly sensitive when it comes to the Bills. They are just too much for me. I’m unfollowing them and encourage you to do the same. 

[RaoulDuke79]

I'm with you. I'm going to join Twitter and follow them just so I can unfollow them. 

[Hapless Bills Fan]

1 minute ago, Kirby Jackson said:

This is a site that has admitted to trolling Bills fans for a reaction. I’m done with them at this point. I’m no longer feeding into their BS. Typically, I’m not overly sensitive when it comes to the Bills. They are just too much for me. I’m unfollowing them and encourage you to do the same. 

 

What took you so long? 
 

I never followed them, but their credibility tanked with me when Sam Monson admitted they asserted that Duck Hodges was better than Josh Allen just to get a reaction.

 

 

[The 9 Isles]

Yeah I unfollowed them and honestly only ever notice their garbage analytics posts when other Bills fans bring them up. 
 

They are a bunch of nerds with statistics and internet connections and that about it.

[Kirby Jackson]

1 minute ago, RaoulDuke79 said:

I'm with you. I'm going to join Twitter and follow them just so I can unfollow them. 

#unfollowpff

[Stank_Nasty]

I had started to just laugh them off with all the Allen crap over the last 2 years. Especially last year..... but they officially went to complete joke/worthless status for me when they ranked 18 corners in front of Tre by the end of the season. Absolutely ABSURD. By that point they were already basically off my radar but that’s the one that made it 100% 

 

 

tre white..... the 19th best corner in football..... let that soak in. 

Edited May 12, 2020 by Stank_Nasty

[QB Bills]

They both picked Allen. What's the big deal here?

[HappyDays]

It isn't just Bills fans. Clickbait trolling is their shtick.

 

This is still hands down one of the most moronic takes I've ever seen:

 

 

They conclude that Golden Tate is more valuable than Myles Garrett, solely because he plays on offense and offense matters more than defense. And because pass rush isn't as important as pass coverage. That's it, that's their whole reasoning.

Edited May 12, 2020 by HappyDays

[Stank_Nasty]

Just now, HappyDays said:

It isn't just Bills fans. Clickbait trolling is their shtick.

 

This is still hands down one of the most moronic takes I've ever seen:

 

 

They conclude that Golden Tate is more valuable than Myles Garrett solely because he plays on offense and offense matters more than defense. And pass rush isn't as important as pass coverage. That's it, that's their whole reasoning.

Holy hell. They’re just shameless 

Edited May 12, 2020 by Stank_Nasty

[Bangarang]

7 minutes ago, QB Bills said:

They both picked Allen. What's the big deal here?

 Not sure. Maybe the fact that they even bothered to question it has some Bills fans in a tizzy.

[Kirby Jackson]

4 minutes ago, QB Bills said:

They both picked Allen. What's the big deal here?

If you think that they legitimately believe this is a question you haven’t been following PFF. @Hapless Bills Fan referenced it earlier but they’ve admitted to trolling Bills fans to get clicks and discussion. We are the most active on socially media and the first to respond. There are numbers that support it. There are reasons that they don’t troll the Chargers. No one will click on, retweet or respond. They fire at us (and the Browns apparently) because we have active and passionate fan bases. I’m done taking the bait. They make their money by followers, subscriptions and clicks. I’m just not going to support their agenda anymore. If they lose Bills fans they lose a hell of a lot more than if they lose Chargers fans. That’s why they shoot at us. They want a reaction from us good or bad.

[stinky finger]

6 minutes ago, QB Bills said:

They both picked Allen. What's the big deal here?

 

 

it's like asking who's nicer, Mother Teresa or Jeffrey Dahmer.

[YoloinOhio]

19 minutes ago, Kirby Jackson said:

This is a site that has admitted to trolling Bills fans for a reaction. I’m done with them at this point. I’m no longer feeding into their BS. Typically, I’m not overly sensitive when it comes to the Bills. They are just too much for me. I’m unfollowing them and encourage you to do the same. 

They admitted to fabricating the whole Duck Hodges thing for a reaction. They are just bored and looking for reactable content 

[Robert James]

12 minutes ago, QB Bills said:

They both picked Allen. What's the big deal here?

 

I think the problem is that Josh Allen is generally ranked much higher in quarterback ratings.  Comparing Josh to the bottom of the heap is insulting.

 

[GoBills808]

Next on PFF- who would you rather have at QB: Aaron Rodgers or Jameis Winston?

[Mango]

5 minutes ago, Robert James said:

 

I think the problem is that Josh Allen is generally ranked much higher in quarterback ratings.  Comparing Josh to the bottom of the heap is insulting.

 

I am a fan of analytics. It’s not just for “nerds”. The recent need for moving into the ESPN area of hot takes is low brow from PFF. I will agree with that. It discredit some of the good work they have done. 
 

But in regards to your comment...Meh. Allen is looking like he has the ability to improve but hasn’t put guys like Trubiski and Bortles decline far enough in the rear view to rule it out. Some may “billieve” but fact of the matter is he hasn’t proven to be better yet. Just a lot of what ifs. 

[TroutDog]

11 minutes ago, Kirby Jackson said:

If you think that they legitimately believe this is a question you haven’t been following PFF. @Hapless Bills Fan referenced it earlier but they’ve admitted to trolling Bills fans to get clicks and discussion. We are the most active on socially media and the first to respond. There are numbers that support it. There are reasons that they don’t troll the Chargers. No one will click on, retweet or respond. They fire at us (and the Browns apparently) because we have active and passionate fan bases. I’m done taking the bait. They make their money by followers, subscriptions and clicks. I’m just not going to support their agenda anymore. If they lose Bills fans they lose a hell of a lot more than if they lose Chargers fans. That’s why they shoot at us. They want a reaction from us good or bad.

Agreed. This kicker is, when you hear them in interviews outside of their own filter, they’re reasonable. That’s what makes it all the more crappy: they could provide valuable information without a slant but they’re not willing to do that because, of course, it’s a business first (which I completely understand).
 

What I don’t get is if they got an actual business person in their ‘building’, there are other ways to monetize the data...and, more than likely, be more profitable. 

[buffalover4life]

5 minutes ago, GoBills808 said:

Next on PFF- who would you rather have at QB: Aaron Rodgers or Jameis Winston?

 

well apparently the packers them selves think Rodgers is replaceable 

[TroutDog]

1 minute ago, Mango said:

I am a fan of analytics. It’s not just for “nerds”. The recent need for moving into the ESPN area of hot takes is low brow from PFF. I will agree with that. It discredit some of the good work they have done. 
 

But in regards to your comment...Meh. Allen is looking like he has the ability to improve but hasn’t put guys like Trubiski and Bortles decline far enough in the rear view to rule it out. Some may “billieve” but fact of the matter is he hasn’t proven to be better yet. Just a lot of what ifs. 

It seems as though you and I are watching different games.
 

Perhaps segregating them would help you see the improvement (R year pre and post injury, compared with year two is a good place to start). That serves as three data points. 

1 minute ago, buffalover4life said:

 

well apparently the packers them selves think Rodgers is replaceable 

I don’t think they’re saying he’s replaceable, I thing their draft said they grasp the fact that he’s aging and is expensive. 
 

Their are limits from the business side in the NFL and those effect how teams move forward from a personnel perspective. 

[JMF2006]

29 minutes ago, Kirby Jackson said:

#unfollowpff

 

#trending

26 minutes ago, HappyDays said:

It isn't just Bills fans. Clickbait trolling is their shtick.

 

This is still hands down one of the most moronic takes I've ever seen:

 

 

They conclude that Golden Tate is more valuable than Myles Garrett, solely because he plays on offense and offense matters more than defense. And because pass rush isn't as important as pass coverage. That's it, that's their whole reasoning.

 

I would say Golden Taint is more valuable because he is allowed to play  

 

Garrett will be more valuable once he apologises to Rodger and gets back on the field.

 

How's that for logic?  

[Kirby Jackson]

3 minutes ago, JMF2006 said:

 

#trending

My Twitter account is private too!! I’m not sure my couple hundred followers could move the needle anyways lol. That’s why I need you popular people!!

[QB Bills]

The majority of us love Allen but there is some serious homerism going on here. The comparison isn't as offensive as some of you are making it seem. Trubisky had a pretty good second year but didn't improve in year 3. 

 

The PFF stuff I don't know much about except that Bills fans will only support analytics if they make the team look good and trash them if they don't. Maybe these guys are different with an axe to grind but that video on it's own is nothing to get upset about imo

[Billl]

19 minutes ago, inaugural balls said:

 

 

it's like asking who's nicer, Mother Teresa or Jeffrey Dahmer.

After 2 seasons

 

QBa.  15-12 record, 56.3% completions, 30 TDs, 21 INTs, 5163 yards

 

QBb. 15-11 record, 62.7%, 31 TDs, 19 INTs, 5416 yards

 

Q) Which one do you want throwing the football for your team?
 

A) Neither

[JMF2006]

1 minute ago, Kirby Jackson said:

My Twitter account is private too!! I’m not sure my couple hundred followers could move the needle anyways lol. That’s why I need you popular people!!

 

I am so old I remember when only birds tweeted

[Kirby Jackson]

3 minutes ago, JMF2006 said:

 

I am so old I remember when only birds tweeted

Ha ha, I’m in that weird “in between age” (38). I can tweet about it or put it on IG but have no idea where to find the Tik Tok and the Snapchat (if kids still use that).

Edited May 12, 2020 by Kirby Jackson

[JESSEFEFFER]

There are some parallels between their 2nd year progressions.  Following a close playoff loss, heading into the all important 3rd year and needing to demonstrate a higher level of QB play.

 

I might argue that Josh having a Trubisky like 3rd year would be the worst possible outcome for the 2020 season.  The Bills franchise in a return to QB purgatory puts everything else at risk.  The one big difference is that Josh has shown that he can do more to help his team win while he is putting his overall game together.

[stinky finger]

3 minutes ago, Billl said:

After 2 seasons

 

QBa.  15-12 record, 56.3% completions, 30 TDs, 21 INTs, 5163 yards

 

QBb. 15-11 record, 62.7%, 31 TDs, 19 INTs, 5416 yards

 

Q) Which one do you want throwing the football for your team?
 

A) Neither

 

Eyeballs, my friend.

 

Eyeballs. 

 

I'll assume you're a Bills fan. Must be difficult rooting for your team all while not supporting your QB.

[Kirby Jackson]

43 minutes ago, QB Bills said:

The majority of us love Allen but there is some serious homerism going on here. The comparison isn't as offensive as some of you are making it seem. Trubisky had a pretty good second year but didn't improve in year 3. 

 

The PFF stuff I don't know much about except that Bills fans will only support analytics if they make the team look good and trash them if they don't. Maybe these guys are different with an axe to grind but that video on it's own is nothing to get upset about imo

They claimed that Duck Hodges was the better QB in the matchup vs. Allen. They then admitted to doing it to get Bills fans worked up. This isn’t some big conspiracy. It’s what they do.

 

Trubisky is terrible and was about to be replaced. He’s the guy that people make jokes about. Allen is an ascending QB that most believe is about to be really good. A year ago this would have been a reasonable conversation. It wouldn’t have been antagonistic though so it wasn’t on there. The question is, “would you rather have the career of a guy about to lose his job to Nick Foles, that didn’t have his 5th year option picked up, that will be a backup next year or Josh Allen?” If they asked Darnold or Allen, cool. Even if they asked Daniel Jones or Dwayne Haskins at least you could argue that they are still ascending. They purposely used the guy that people think the lowest of to get under people’s skin. It worked with me and I’m typically not too sensitive. 

Edited May 12, 2020 by Kirby Jackson

[JESSEFEFFER]

1 minute ago, inaugural balls said:

 

Eyeballs, my friend.

 

Eyeballs. 

 

I'll assume you're a Bills fan. Must be difficult rooting for your team all while not supporting your QB.

I was thinking the same.  Maybe he should shop for a new team to follow.  One with a fully developed QB whose teams never win much.  Stafford, Ryan, Rivers types who are good enough to get their coaches fired every couple of years.

[Lurker]

33 minutes ago, YoloinOhio said:

They admitted to fabricating the whole [ fill in blank ] thing for a reaction. They are just bored and looking for reactable content 

 

Fo shizzle.   Sounds like 80% of TSW posts to me...

[JoPoy88]

PFF is just Barstool for people who can spell their own names. 

[QB Bills]

1 minute ago, Kirby Jackson said:

They claimed that Duck Hodges was the better QB in the matchup vs. Allen. They then admitted to doing it to get Bills fans worked up. This isn’t some big conspiracy. It’s what they do.

 

Trubisky is terrible and was about to be replaced. He’s the guy that people make jokes about. Allen is an ascending QB that most believe is about to be really good. A year ago this would have been a reasonable conversation. It wouldn’t have been antagonistic though so it wasn’t on there. The question is, “would you rather have the career of a guy about to lose his job to Nick Foles, that didn’t have his 5th year option picked up, that will be a backup next year or Josh Allen?” IG they asked Darnold or Allen, cool. Even if they asked Daniel Jones or Dwayne Haskins at least you could argue that they are still ascending. They purposely used the guy that people think the lowest of to get under people’s skin. It worked with me and I’m typically not too sensitive. 

Do most people believe Allen is going to be good though? Or just most Bills fans? I like Allen. He's got all the arm talent in the world and seems like a good dude. But I'm not completely sold on him yet. I hope he becomes all we think he can be. But he's still got a ways to go.

 

As for PFF, if they're really just trying to get a rise out of fans, best to not give them what they want. 

[Don Otreply]

PFF is a hack outfit, as we all know they grade on stuff that doesn’t  actually  happen. It not nice to say, but I hope they all get the runs. 
 

oh, and stop clicking on their stuff, the don’t deserve your patronage. 

[buffalover4life]

25 minutes ago, TroutDog said:

 

I don’t think they’re saying he’s replaceable, I thing their draft said they grasp the fact that he’s aging and is expensive. 
 

Their are limits from the business side in the NFL and those effect how teams move forward from a personnel perspective. 

 

Well they just locked Rodgers down for 4 more years at crazy guaranteed money. They were a game away from a Super bowl and they traded up in the first round to address the position where the MVP of their team is currently playing.

 

The pick was silly and I'd be furious if I was a fan of the packers. I get team building, Like I could try to understand if your guy fell to you even, but attacking and moving up in the first round when your Franchise QBs contract has 4 more years is ludicrous. 2-3 years too early IMO

[JaCrispy]

While the OP may be right about PFF attitudes about Josh Allen, after listening to the clip, I can’t say I disagree...

 

Both QBs had similar production their sophomore years...however Trubisky had a down year in his third season and Allen is still ascending...they gave the nod to Allen, as they probably should have...not sure what the big deal is, unless I’m missing something.

Edited May 12, 2020 by JaCrispy

[Dr. Who]

21 minutes ago, inaugural balls said:

 

Eyeballs, my friend.

 

Eyeballs. 

 

I'll assume you're a Bills fan. Must be difficult rooting for your team all while not supporting your QB.

He's not. He's a Chief's fan who isn't satisfied with a Super Bowl and Mahomes. He wants to come here and troll folks who are optimistic about Allen.

[Logic]

21 minutes ago, inaugural balls said:

 

Eyeballs, my friend.

 

Eyeballs. 

 

I'll assume you're a Bills fan. Must be difficult rooting for your team all while not supporting your QB.

 

Pretty sure he’s a Chiefs fan.

 

I get that other team’s fans hang out here because our forum is much better than their team’s forums, but I’m not sure why they feel like talking constant smack about Josh Allen is the best way to ingratiate themselves to the locals.

[Mango]

35 minutes ago, TroutDog said:

It seems as though you and I are watching different games.
 

Perhaps segregating them would help you see the improvement (R year pre and post injury, compared with year two is a good place to start). That serves as three data points. 

I don’t think they’re saying he’s replaceable, I thing their draft said they grasp the fact that he’s aging and is expensive. 
 

Their are limits from the business side in the NFL and those effect how teams move forward from a personnel perspective. 

Unsure I’ve explained myself well. 
 

He has improved. That is tangible. But he hasn’t proven himself to have totally ruled out going full Trubisky, Bortles, and 20 other QBs over the years.

He also hasn’t done anything to say he’ll step back like those guys did either. This is a bit of a what if year for him. By most metrics Josh is a bottom ranked QB. Because of that Bills fans have to take some criticism on the chin, it’s partially deserved. I don’t think it’s insulting, nor do I think (Hope) it’s permanent. 

[JESSEFEFFER]

4 minutes ago, JaCrispy said:

While the OP may be right about PFF attitudes about Josh Allen, after listening to the clip, I can’t say I disagree...

 

Both QBs had similar production their sophomore years...however Trubisky had a down year and Allen is still ascending...they gave the nod to Allen, as they probably should have...not sure what the big deal is, unless I’m missing something.

It seems to be that the question was even asked.  Darnold or Mayfield could have been the comparison.  They are in a similar place.

Edited May 12, 2020 by JESSEFEFFER

[Billl]

2 minutes ago, Logic said:

 

Pretty sure he’s a Chiefs fan.

 

I get that other team’s fans hang out here because our forum is much better than their team’s forums, but I’m not sure why they feel like talking constant smack about Josh Allen is the best way to ingratiate themselves to the locals.

I am a Chiefs fan.  I also follow the Bills.  They’re a really good team with a QB who isn’t very good yet.